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Sybylle
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Posted - 2004.02.05 08:22:00 -
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I request a Sticky on this.
I completely agree with Morkt Drak.
We will probably never know why patches or releases are always delayed...At least we can imagine it.
I think this is planned as we (players) are going faster than the dev's would have imagined.
Since the release all major actions have made players life's harder, be it a liner or a fighter.
More challenge is nice, this is not the problem.
What disappoints me is more the "wait a lot to get little" that dev's are still increasing now, in order to slow us down.
Getting BP is kinda hard, takes a long time, and having all tech 1 items is, IMO, strictly necessary to face all the NPCs that may deliver us some good items, BP or any recyclable stuff we will need to make the gap to Tech II.
I cannot imagine what will happen with Tech III.
I fear we will see within some months a topic named "Tech III farce continues without any regard to players" 
But it can be worse...
1st april 2006 CSM ...One week after the tech IV release.
"When will we be able to get all tech 1 BPs? Right now I've faced 60 NPCs @35k, 15@60k, and I've found (after loosing all my teamates, that couldn't afford a clone due to recent prize increase...) a one run Tech 4 elite expander BP.
I got the Tech 1 BP, I managed to get the Tech II after killing one of my mates (concord agent mission), but the Tech III is missing and hasn't been implemented it seems. When can we expect it to be avalaible"
"(won't give names, but one dev) SoonÖ We will implement it with the next patch«"
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Fuse
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Posted - 2004.02.05 08:29:00 -
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Thank you for that post Morkt. It states exactly what a lot of players feel including myself.
The whole "lottery" thing with research agents giving out new bp just here and there is a farce. No calculable effort for a huge amount of work (get research skills, get npc standings, tons of missions).
And still waiting for some results I can even more understand your anger about having a T2 bp and not being able to use it because the corresponding T1 is not available. That is ridicoulous and makes me sick.
A lot of people made a lot of good comments in this thread. It's 5 minutes to twelve!
This seems to be a MMORG norm over-promise and delay. I was really disappointed in the way CCP fell in line with the rest of the MMORG families. Dragging their feet to release tech 2 and using agents to release it. When EVE was released it showed promise there was reverse Engineering built in to the interface it is still there. The current focus of CCP seems to be to entice new players to join EVE not to take care of their existing player base. Heck it is cheaper to get more players in to the game then to press development all the time delaying and making excuses about the promises made about game play. Sure a few people will get fed up and drop out but heck ôwe have had over 6600 people logged on concurrentlyö keep up the good work. Now I am just doing what I did in Earth and Beyond I am hanging out with my online friends. I am not having fun at all. Sure my character may be super but the lack of content and the hoops they make you jump through to get at it is getting really old.
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Drutort
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Posted - 2004.02.05 09:48:00 -
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i just dont get it... from wht i heard others say they will realease the tech1's that are missing through agents? what kind of crap is that?
this pretty sad that ppl have some tech2 bp's but cant do much with them at all.
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Chrimera
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Posted - 2004.02.05 12:36:00 -
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I have a tech 2 bp and also can't do much with it as I can't get a bp for the tech 1 item.
So I have 4 choices:
1) Pay npc prices for the 2 or 3 units that are available, which will push my p[roduction costs up high, meaning the sale cost is too high so I can't sell any.
2) Sit and wait for the bp to appear, which makes a joke of the release as its not TECHNICALLY released. (Like pre-ordering a cd or video 6 months before it comes out, its purely a ticket stub)
3) Sell it to someone who has the same trouble as me and I lose the monopoly I could have in the future
4) Stick it up ccp's wincey and light it!
All seem a waste of time. Well one sounds like a good idea but I have run out of matches 
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McWatt
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Posted - 2004.02.05 13:27:00 -
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Edited by: Ukiah on 03/02/2004 16:29:22
Screw filling the gaps in tech I bp's.
I WANT MORE UI tweaks/redesigns! I'm still not satisfied with the 'loading' animated icon. I want a third, configurable one. Also, can you devote some time to changing the status bars. I want mine to be red!
/me sarcasm mode off
seconded.
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Alynthir
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Posted - 2004.02.05 13:45:00 -
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Edited by: Alynthir on 05/02/2004 13:46:59
Nearly 7k in Laser Physics with a L3 agent that has an effective quality of 38 and nothing.
In fact, considering the absurd number of people in Tyrell with active research agents, the actual number of BPs we have gotten are pathetic. We're one of the largest corps in the game, and have worked very hard to concentrate our agents and research on specific areas and it doesn't seem to make a damn bit of difference.
On top of this, as Morkt said, those T2 BPs that we do have are next to useless for mass production until the T1 BPs of certian items needed for 'upgrades' become available.
Sticky, Sticky, Sticky.
Wake up, CCP!!
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McWatt
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Posted - 2004.02.05 13:50:00 -
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tech 2 rules, methinks.
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Val Amon
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Posted - 2004.02.05 14:01:00 -
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AGREED!!!!
It has been determined that all the homeless have corrupted our R&D agents by making them all chemical dependant. You give them Soil for guess what. Then you give them planetary vehicles so they may race while high on dope. Then they request Science Graduates due to fatalies in the lab YEAH RIGHT try racing while under the influence.
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Relentless
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Posted - 2004.02.05 14:04:00 -
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Nearly 7k in Laser Physics with a L3 agent that has an effective quality of 38 and nothing.
In fact, considering the absurd number of people in Tyrell with active research agents, the actual number of BPs we have gotten are pathetic. We're one of the largest corps in the game, and have worked very hard to concentrate our agents and research on specific areas and it doesn't seem to make a damn bit of difference.
On top of this, as Morkt said, those T2 BPs that we do have are next to useless for mass production until the T1 BPs of certian items needed for 'upgrades' become available.
Sticky, Sticky, Sticky.
Wake up, CCP!!
Are you still sending CCP money every month?
Given that tech-2 is just the same tech-1 items with slightly different numbers, once CCP actually makes it available, people will play with it for a couple weeks, realize how meaningless it is and get bored again.
However, by dragging this out for months, they may be ticking you off, but they're still holding on tight to your subscription. The anticipation is of far greater value to CCPs bottom line than the delivery.
They're wide awake. Nothing is going to change.
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Sybylle
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Posted - 2004.02.05 14:11:00 -
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I've to agree with Relentless...
That's almost what I said, in more crude words 
I hope anyway I'm wrong...
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2004.02.05 14:30:00 -
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You guys do know that some people are going to not get any Tech 2 no matter how high their RP's are right? Some corps aren't going to get any. If you are only playing the game because you hope to get Tech 2 you probably aren't going to be happy if you do get it.
I'm mean you get tech 2 you sell tech 2 and now you have even more isk that sits in your wallet.
I have a Research Agent and it would be nice if I got a Tech 2 BP but it won't really effect my game exp. just what I'm doing at any given time.
Depending on Tech 2 to save your game exp is like depending on the lottery to pay your mortgage. It's not going to happen.
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Nicholas Marshal
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Posted - 2004.02.05 14:31:00 -
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Yep. Thats the whole point of a lottery. Only very few people will ever get Tech II.
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Atta
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Posted - 2004.02.05 14:56:00 -
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Im frankly amazed theres been no comments on this issue here from an eve representative.
But the strongest point made so far is that the anticipation of techII is more vaulable than its actual introduction.
I strongly beleive that a mass cancellation of accounts is gonna be the only way this stagnant mess is gonna change.
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McWatt
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Posted - 2004.02.05 18:06:00 -
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Sad fact is that 90% of tech 1 items, and thereforce tech 2 items, are utter crap and will never be used.
The so called 'lottery' of tech 2 items is a utter and total joke, I mean what would u rather have, tech 2 dual 150mm railgun bp, or cargo expander 2 bp?
this is the real problem.
that they are not able to put the necessary tech bp on to the market is just highlighting this incompetence.
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Glenmorangie
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Posted - 2004.02.05 18:59:00 -
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"Tech Level 2 (TL2) has been introduced, bringing exciting new manufacturing and research possibilities into the world of EVE."
please help me i can't seem to find the bp's or these items on the market 
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Adliger Krieger
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Posted - 2004.02.05 22:08:00 -
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Come on CCP. Are you listening? Stop messing around and get on with it.
Why are you making pathetic little changes to things that work fine (eg names of stations on the warp list) rather than launching tech 2? (This joke is not a launch.)
You are far too obsessed with "balance". I for one don't care if lasers are better than projectiles or vice versa. In real life things aren't balanced. They change from favouring one thing to another. Players will balance themselves. Good players on the ball will always have better ships - fine. Just get on with it!
That is the best friggin post I've seen all day! Yes, TomB is CONSUMED with PERFECT balance. Get over it already! Stop nerfing and start releasing Tech2!
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Parallax Error
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Posted - 2004.02.05 22:43:00 -
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I'm oh so tempted to put this in block capitals but I shall resist.
If tech 1 is, as has been mentioned many a time, the absolute base level of all items... the level that everyone always has access to and is the level that newer players can come straight in and start manufacturing and using....
THEN EVERY SINGLE BLUEPRINT FOR TECH LEVEL 1 WITHOUT EXCEPTION MUST BE ON THE MARKET FOR EVERYONE TO PURCHASE... FULL STOP!
Sorry for that.... but I really feel that that fact has to be driven home. I am certainly not happy with tech level 1 stuff being handed out be lottery and through agent missions. tech level 2 going out through agents at a faster rate than it currently is I can deal with simply to allow the player manufacturing market to become a much expanded and interesting feature as soon as possible.
Whilst i'm having a moan I might as well point out, that for a successful market for player create wares, the players must be capable of manufacturing the best available equipment. please lets notlapse back into the same ludicrous situation we had with Tech level 1 whereby the best items we had access to were pirate dropped loot. It makes a mockery of a 'crafting' system. by all means let NPC's drop the same standard of equipment but don't let them start dropping meta tech level 2 items without players being able to make them as well.
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RussianBazilisk
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Posted - 2004.02.06 02:16:00 -
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Edited by: RussianBazilisk on 06/02/2004 02:34:30
I dont post alot but this topic bothering me alot. Im keeping playing EVE cuz im waiting for some game like WoW come out.
If CCP gets TL2 REALLY out then i might stick around for awhile and if its good i'll keep playing.
Also I guess this post is still not sticky? Well if its not getting sticky then CCP dont want ppl to see it cuz its true. And if Dev or someone like it is not gona post reply here then u know like it says "Quet means agree".
Forgat to add as i look at this forum alot i noticed that CCP ppl dont respond to posts that point out their mistakes at all so im not even hoping for a respond or sticky.
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Kristina Nikolaev
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Posted - 2004.02.06 02:41:00 -
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Im frankly amazed theres been no comments on this issue here from an eve representative.
I would be more than happy to help, but I honestly cannot answer your question. I'll direct this thread to a Polaris representative who can help you better. 
-Kristina
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Gurthang
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Posted - 2004.02.06 04:27:00 -
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everyone who reupped at the beginning of jan will run out pretty soon...so i imagine we should see some tech2 frigs this weekend :)
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Skelator
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Posted - 2004.02.06 05:09:00 -
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Morkt,
If you so unhappy why not just try something else until you find something that satisfies you?
Just a Freindly suggestion
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Hippey
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Posted - 2004.02.06 05:28:00 -
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The sad thing is, no dev will ever read this. Then the issue will be brought up in the following few CSM's and the response will be "This is the first time I've heard of this"
Gets SO tiring after a while :(
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Posted - 2004.02.06 05:31:00 -
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The sad thing is, no dev will ever read this. Then the issue will be brought up in the following few CSM's and the response will be "This is the first time I've heard of this"
Gets SO tiring after a while :(
I'm sorry for your frustration  I tried to contact someone who can shed some light onto this situation, however due to the current time its either very late or very early in the night/morning.
If I see someone on later tomorrow, I'll promise to have this looked at for you.
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2004.02.06 08:51:00 -
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Just quit this dying game before you realize how many hours you wasted when you could have been playing other games that are worthwhile.
The verdict is in: the EVE developers bit off more than they could chew; way more.
I for one am enjoying Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance II. Play it cooperatively. It's challenging and enjoyable, which I'm sure would be a welcome change for many an EVE player.
Veruna Caseti
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Pasiphae
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Posted - 2004.02.06 11:47:00 -
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Morkt raised a very valid point. Lets keep this thread on topic.
I'm interested to see what sort of reply we get from official sources. |
Gzek
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Posted - 2004.02.06 13:16:00 -
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I'm sorry for your frustration I tried to contact someone who can shed some light onto this situation, however due to the current time its either very late or very early in the night/morning.
If I see someone on later tomorrow, I'll promise to have this looked at for you.
Uhm the original post was made 3 days ago =/ |
Adliger Krieger
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Posted - 2004.02.06 13:42:00 -
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I'm sorry for your frustration I tried to contact someone who can shed some light onto this situation, however due to the current time its either very late or very early in the night/morning.
If I see someone on later tomorrow, I'll promise to have this looked at for you.
Uhm the original post was made 3 days ago =/
Give her some credit dude. She is looking into it so chill out. A little THANKS is in order.
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Adliger Krieger
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Posted - 2004.02.06 15:34:00 -
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Edited by: Adliger Krieger on 06/02/2004 15:35:52
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Not really:
You miss the obvious point:
They release tech 2 blueprints BEFORE their Tech 1 counterparts were available.
The manner or speed of release is irrelevant - the order is another matter.
Or do you think we should be getting tech 4 before tech 3?
Perhaps I'm overly cynical, but I'm not missing the point.
How difficult do you think it is to put a BP on the market? or to add a component to the system that's equivalent to an existing one, just with slightly different numbers? What's happening isn't a mistake, they're doing it on purpose.
The tech-1 bps are one aspect of the tech-2 release, since the tech-1 components are necessary to the manufacturing process. And they are intended to be there, as much has been said.
Yet they, along with every other part of tech-2 is trickling in a snails pace. It'll be months yet before tech-2 is actually 'here.'
You're approaching this from the perspective that CCP made a mistake. Instead take the perspective of leverage and motivation. You have recently acquired a tech-2 bp, so it's pretty unlikely that you'll be going anywhere. You have no leverage. It's in CCPs interest to drag this out as long as possible; the longer they can dangle the carrot of tech-2, the longer they have before they have to deliver something that's actually new. The missing tech-1 bps are easy enough to withhold to slow things down without any real consequence to CCPs bottom line.
Watch how the next weeks and months unfold, and how quickly your BPs actually appear on the market. (compared to the few minutes effort it will actually take) Adopt a bit of healthy cynicism, and everything will probably make a good deal more sense.
Of course you are right. What is shocking is that everyone does not realize this! CCP's core motivation is long term subscriptions. We have proven that we will sit around, being mislead to, and forgiving broken promises over and over and over. Why should they speed up the process? They are raking in the cash while making us wait. Does anyone really beleive they are in any kind of hurry to get to the last Tech level any time soon. Then what? Hell no, they are looking at this long term. I would be suprised if we see Shiva before the end of the year. The only factor that could possibly speed up it's arrival would be high player attrition rate.
That said Eve is the best game in the history of gaming and I will never quit. 
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Zagum Darkfin
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Posted - 2004.02.06 17:33:00 -
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Lets beat a dead horse.
WHERE ARE THE REST OF THE TECH2 BPOS???? ITS FEB NOW!! HELLO CCP!!
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Wilber
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Posted - 2004.02.06 21:40:00 -
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everyone who reupped at the beginning of jan will run out pretty soon...so i imagine we should see some tech2 frigs this weekend :)
maybe....now interceptor skills on the market its not like they can say the guy in charge of that is on vacation. They have obviously been seeding the market with new items....yet where is the **** we have been asking for for 2 months?
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