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Rented
Hunter Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.01.15 02:19:00 -
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met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
55
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Posted - 2012.01.15 02:20:00 -
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Spurty wrote: EVE is Unique in that it *DOESN'T* disconnect you for inactivity. Surely if *somethings* going to change here, make it something other than that.
And that's been dealt with and essentially agreed on (I think).
You can change the effects of AFK cloaking by forcing cloakies to use probes to hunt. Just change anoms and belts to sigs for the ratters/miners.
Thus NO change is needed at all to cloakies - what changes is their effectivess if they are AFK. And the "AFK cloakies" advocates can gather all the intel they like if they should so choose.
Unless ofc they are ONLY doing it for system denial while they go to bed and sleep. A point in contention.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
118
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Posted - 2012.01.15 02:21:00 -
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Morganta wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Ghost of Truth wrote:
First of all you take yourslev way too seriously. Second, Did i havent already said tha i havent died ever to a cloakie? Miners thu.....
I find it unlikely neuts would cyno in mega-expensive ninja ships to kill 4-5 Hulks. lol, we've blop dropped a pod 4-5 hulks? I'd hotdrop the living **** out of that in an instant.
Because you knew they were harmless. When they tried that crap on ops of ours, they'd often get dropped a dozen of carriers in their face. Back at the time I was one of the lowest SP and most pacific guys in there (first time I got titan jumped I was in a T1 fit Rupture) but I had many corpies who could not wait to get an opportunity to pew pew like that. |
Fawcks
Avoid and Evade Epsilon Shimmy Alliance
175
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Posted - 2012.01.15 02:21:00 -
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Ghost of Truth wrote:THis is a CALL to CCP to fix AFKing in the next Expansion.I ts THEIR responsibilty to find a solution on this hot issue, and not the players whith dozens and dozens of threads all this years.
WE DONT want to Break or Change Cloaking
WE DONT want to have SAFE mode on.
WE WANT the AFKIing CLOAKING to STOP
Thsi is not a Thread about opinions, trolling or headbashing.There is a thread for that.Go over there.
This is a thread requesting CCp to take a position on the matter, and as a suggestion for the next expansion.If you agree, just Bump!! This post is dumb but here's a wiki article about grapes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gew%C3%BCrztraminer |
met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
55
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Posted - 2012.01.15 02:28:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: If your corp did their homeworks the cloaky would not even be there to begin with.
If your corp cannot afford whole day coverage of its main income producing system(s) then they either HTFU or organize appropriate suppression of the attacking corp.
Question 1: When was the last time you stopped a recon getting in?
Betcha can't.
Question 2: Would you volunteer to sit in a combat ship, for hours and hours, possibly days, on EVERY likely target to catch the blops drop?
Anyone who has done ratting/mining or even escort in 0.0 knows damn well that everyone is scattered and any one of them can be a target.
Question 3: How fast can you react?
Most bomber blops are over and done, with attackers scattered before you even get out of warp. It's easy to pull the Rapier and Manticores out after that - either charge the gatecamp before it gets organised or log/wait it out.
Besides, the argument is about the fact that this can be setup - completely uncountered. The threat - even when the recon pilot is in bed - is the issue. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
848
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Posted - 2012.01.15 02:30:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Morganta wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Ghost of Truth wrote:
First of all you take yourslev way too seriously. Second, Did i havent already said tha i havent died ever to a cloakie? Miners thu.....
I find it unlikely neuts would cyno in mega-expensive ninja ships to kill 4-5 Hulks. lol, we've blop dropped a pod 4-5 hulks? I'd hotdrop the living **** out of that in an instant. Because you knew they were harmless. When they tried that crap on ops of ours, they'd often get dropped a dozen of carriers in their face. Back at the time I was one of the lowest SP and most pacific guys in there (first time I got titan jumped I was in a T1 fit Rupture) but I had many corpies who could not wait to get an opportunity to pew pew like that.
nothing is harmless when its in a system full of reds carriers? luls in that case it's alpha until dead, and we win on isk destroyed if its triage fly away fly away fly away home. whats a handful of bombers anyhow? some days you get the bar and some days the bar gets you
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
848
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Posted - 2012.01.15 02:31:00 -
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met worst wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: If your corp did their homeworks the cloaky would not even be there to begin with.
If your corp cannot afford whole day coverage of its main income producing system(s) then they either HTFU or organize appropriate suppression of the attacking corp.
Question 1: When was the last time you stopped a recon getting in? Betcha can't. Question 2: Would you volunteer to sit in a combat ship, for hours and hours, possibly days, on EVERY likely target to catch the blops drop? Anyone who has done ratting/mining or even escort in 0.0 knows damn well that everyone is scattered and any one of them can be a target. Question 3: How fast can you react? Most bomber blops are over and done, with attackers scattered before you even get out of warp. It's easy to pull the Rapier and Manticores out after that - either charge the gatecamp before it gets organised or log/wait it out. Besides, the argument is about the fact that this can be setup - completely uncountered. The threat - even when the recon pilot is in bed - is the issue.
counter for blops SB with bombs when cyno lights bomb it also works with a disco geddon The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Heimdallofasgard
APEX ARDENT COALITION NEM3SIS.
54
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Posted - 2012.01.15 02:36:00 -
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ITT: one man and his alts take on most of the GD regulars and makes terrible cringe worthy posts.
If this is a thread supporting the removal of afk cloaking... then:
if you go afk for ten minutes you're disconnected from local channel. as soon as you move, you return to local channel... I'd support this, the carebears know if a toon is afk, and the cloakers can camp anomalies. while "afk" everyone's a winner! |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
233
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Posted - 2012.01.15 02:39:00 -
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met worst wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:Ships with covops cloaks aren't exactly dangerous. Look up Rapier. Look up Manticore. I'm not sure what universe you live in where a single stealth bomber or recon poses any kind of threat to anything other than solo ratting idiots. |
met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
55
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Posted - 2012.01.15 02:46:00 -
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Morganta wrote:met worst wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: If your corp did their homeworks the cloaky would not even be there to begin with.
If your corp cannot afford whole day coverage of its main income producing system(s) then they either HTFU or organize appropriate suppression of the attacking corp.
Question 1: When was the last time you stopped a recon getting in? Betcha can't. Question 2: Would you volunteer to sit in a combat ship, for hours and hours, possibly days, on EVERY likely target to catch the blops drop? Anyone who has done ratting/mining or even escort in 0.0 knows damn well that everyone is scattered and any one of them can be a target. Question 3: How fast can you react? Most bomber blops are over and done, with attackers scattered before you even get out of warp. It's easy to pull the Rapier and Manticores out after that - either charge the gatecamp before it gets organised or log/wait it out. Besides, the argument is about the fact that this can be setup - completely uncountered. The threat - even when the recon pilot is in bed - is the issue. counter for blops SB with bombs when cyno lights bomb it also works with a disco geddon That much is known Morgs - IF you are there and in range when he lights up. Jump on light, do the kill, cover the recon (if possible) and scatter. It's way too easy some days. Watching for baits is soooo obvious it's not even funny - which is the only way your "methods" would work.
The reality is that 90% of alliance ratters can't organise a revenge BBQ when confronted with said tactic let alone mount a fast enough response to stop the kill in the first place.
But this is NOT the issue. It's the threat of it when he's in bed. No counter UNTIL he pops up and WHEN that happens is unknown - possibly for days. |
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Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
848
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Posted - 2012.01.15 02:48:00 -
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met worst wrote:Morganta wrote:met worst wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: If your corp did their homeworks the cloaky would not even be there to begin with.
If your corp cannot afford whole day coverage of its main income producing system(s) then they either HTFU or organize appropriate suppression of the attacking corp.
Question 1: When was the last time you stopped a recon getting in? Betcha can't. Question 2: Would you volunteer to sit in a combat ship, for hours and hours, possibly days, on EVERY likely target to catch the blops drop? Anyone who has done ratting/mining or even escort in 0.0 knows damn well that everyone is scattered and any one of them can be a target. Question 3: How fast can you react? Most bomber blops are over and done, with attackers scattered before you even get out of warp. It's easy to pull the Rapier and Manticores out after that - either charge the gatecamp before it gets organised or log/wait it out. Besides, the argument is about the fact that this can be setup - completely uncountered. The threat - even when the recon pilot is in bed - is the issue. counter for blops SB with bombs when cyno lights bomb it also works with a disco geddon That much is known Morgs - IF you are there and in range when he lights up. Jump on light, do the kill, cover the recon (if possible) and scatter. It's way too easy some days. Watching for baits is soooo obvious it's not even funny - which is the only way your "methods" would work. The reality is that 90% of alliance ratters can't organise a revenge BBQ when confronted with said tactic let alone mount a fast enough response to stop the kill in the first place. But this is NOT the issue. It's the threat of it when he's in bed. No counter UNTIL he pops up and WHEN that happens is unknown - possibly for days.
so go where he isn't? if he's in bed he won't see you leave will he? if he follows you you'll know hes not AFK win win
perhaps hes not clokey at all, what if its a bot sitting at a safe waiting for you to leave? The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
55
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Posted - 2012.01.15 02:49:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:met worst wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:Ships with covops cloaks aren't exactly dangerous. Look up Rapier. Look up Manticore. I'm not sure what universe you live in where a single stealth bomber or recon poses any kind of threat to anything other than solo ratting idiots. Not sure what universe you live in.
Most bombers are NOT solo and most "idiot ratters" ARE solo unless sharing anoms with corpies. |
met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
55
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Posted - 2012.01.15 02:51:00 -
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Morganta wrote:met worst wrote:Morganta wrote:met worst wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: If your corp did their homeworks the cloaky would not even be there to begin with.
If your corp cannot afford whole day coverage of its main income producing system(s) then they either HTFU or organize appropriate suppression of the attacking corp.
Question 1: When was the last time you stopped a recon getting in? Betcha can't. Question 2: Would you volunteer to sit in a combat ship, for hours and hours, possibly days, on EVERY likely target to catch the blops drop? Anyone who has done ratting/mining or even escort in 0.0 knows damn well that everyone is scattered and any one of them can be a target. Question 3: How fast can you react? Most bomber blops are over and done, with attackers scattered before you even get out of warp. It's easy to pull the Rapier and Manticores out after that - either charge the gatecamp before it gets organised or log/wait it out. Besides, the argument is about the fact that this can be setup - completely uncountered. The threat - even when the recon pilot is in bed - is the issue. counter for blops SB with bombs when cyno lights bomb it also works with a disco geddon That much is known Morgs - IF you are there and in range when he lights up. Jump on light, do the kill, cover the recon (if possible) and scatter. It's way too easy some days. Watching for baits is soooo obvious it's not even funny - which is the only way your "methods" would work. The reality is that 90% of alliance ratters can't organise a revenge BBQ when confronted with said tactic let alone mount a fast enough response to stop the kill in the first place. But this is NOT the issue. It's the threat of it when he's in bed. No counter UNTIL he pops up and WHEN that happens is unknown - possibly for days. so go where he isn't? if he's in bed he won't see you leave will he? perhaps hes not clokey at all, what if its a bot sitting at a safe waiting for you to leave? You done 0.0 ratting at all Morgs? Seen what happened to systems after CCP placed anoms based on sec?
Besides, no bot is gonna wait out in a red system to go botting now is he? |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
848
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Posted - 2012.01.15 02:52:00 -
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met worst wrote: Most bombers are NOT solo and most "idiot ratters" ARE solo unless sharing anoms with corpies.
well if you're still ratting with several neuts in system thats your own fault
and about your little probing idea? I suppose you have one of those unprobable T3s don't you? still bitter about the nerf? The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5869
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Posted - 2012.01.15 02:55:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:met worst wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:Ships with covops cloaks aren't exactly dangerous. Look up Rapier. Look up Manticore. I'm not sure what universe you live in where a single stealth bomber or recon poses any kind of threat to anything other than solo ratting idiots. And bots. Don't forget bots. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
848
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Posted - 2012.01.15 02:56:00 -
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met worst wrote: You done 0.0 ratting at all Morgs?
all the time thats how I keep my girlish sec status
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
375
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Posted - 2012.01.15 03:02:00 -
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when you cloak, you should not show up in local... i like that better. |
Soldarius
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
129
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Posted - 2012.01.15 03:02:00 -
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You want to get rid of the threat of AFK cloakers? Get rid of free instant intel in the form of immediate mode local chat.
Let's be honest. The real reason people afk cloak is to put fear of ship loss into the hearts of nulsec carebears. This would also put a huge dent into botting if the bots don't know that someone not on the blue list just entered system. AFK cloakers depend on the perceived threat. Only occasionally do they actually violence someone's boat. Even then, they have to choose carefully. Bombers aren't exactly the best of pvp ships. They have limited engagement windows. As long as you don't do something stupid, you probably won't get shot.
Yeah, sometimes that cloaker has a cyno and you get hotdropped. Butmakign changes to cloaking is basically saying "I want to rat risk free and make massive sums of isk doing it."
I'm recalling something about risk vs reward.
There are already plenty of ways to tell if someone has come into your ratting system. But since OP clearly wants no effort/risk pve, I don't expect such things like intel channels and flying in standing fleets will get done.
"How do you kill that which has no life?" |
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
42
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Posted - 2012.01.15 03:09:00 -
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Ghost of Truth wrote: WE WANT the AFKIing CLOAKING to STOP
Who's this "WE", you don't represent me or many other players!
...prepare yourselves... *Ghost of Truth Caps mode activated*
REMOVE LOCAL CHAT INTEL! |
met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
56
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Posted - 2012.01.15 03:14:00 -
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Soldarius wrote:AFK cloakers depend on the perceived threat. Only occasionally do they actually violence someone's boat. Even then, they have to choose carefully. Bombers aren't exactly the best of pvp ships. They have limited engagement windows. As long as you don't do something stupid, you probably won't get shot.
Agreed but tell that to a bloke trying to make a living.
Soldarius wrote: Yeah, sometimes that cloaker has a cyno and you get hotdropped. Butmakign changes to cloaking is basically saying "I want to rat risk free and make massive sums of isk doing it."
Absolutely not. If you know he's active then you dock up - as per SOP - or you keep ratting and take your chances.
Soldarius wrote: I'm recalling something about risk vs reward.
A single AFK cloaky get's all the rewards denying the entire system totally risk free and he's what - 30 days old?
Soldarius wrote: There are already plenty of ways to tell if someone has come into your ratting system. But since OP clearly wants no effort/risk pve, I don't expect such things like intel channels and flying in standing fleets will get done.
It's not about the ones coming in - it's about the ones who cloak up and go to bed. Removing him from local while he sleeps doesn't remove the percieved threat.
And yeah. Standing fleets.... Lol. Another cloaky win requiring no effort. Cloak. Warp to 100. Collect.
Yep, no local works in a WH simply because the vast majority of stuff worth taking is sigged - 0.0 is mostly anoms - it's why AFK cloakies are so effective.
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Cyzlaki
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
198
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Posted - 2012.01.15 03:22:00 -
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The funny part is where a single person in local denies an entire system's worth of people from botting, err, ratting. |
met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
56
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Posted - 2012.01.15 03:24:00 -
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Cyzlaki wrote:The funny part is where a single person in local denies an entire system's worth of people from ratting And causes - wait for it - "Interstellar Exodus".
Worth the wait? Chortle. Snort. Guffaw.
(I see what you do there) |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
848
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Posted - 2012.01.15 03:26:00 -
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met worst wrote:Cyzlaki wrote:The funny part is where a single person in local denies an entire system's worth of people from ratting And causes - wait for it - "Interstellar Exodus".
please tell me you're packing a bag and moving back to empire
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Clementina
The Scope
48
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Posted - 2012.01.15 03:40:00 -
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met worst wrote: It's not about the ones coming in - it's about the ones who cloak up and go to bed. Removing him from local while he sleeps doesn't remove the percieved threat.
And yeah. Standing fleets.... Lol. Another cloaky win requiring no effort. Cloak. Warp to 100. Collect.
Yep, no local works in a WH simply because the vast majority of stuff worth taking is sigged - 0.0 is mostly anoms - it's why AFK cloakies are so effective.
AFK Cloakers can remove themselves from local while they sleep now, they can log off. They cyno just as many people into your ratting system and they relay just as much intel logged off as logged on. They'll still be in system if they want to log in again and raise hell. They can watch Dotlan to see where your alliance's juicy ratting systems are at a particular moment without being logged in.
AFK Cloakers (If we're talking about people who sit around in covert ops ships and cannot possibly do anything to you) do not work in wormhole space because there is no local. They work in 0.0 because people watch local and expect it to keep them informed but local doesn't tell them the difference between someone preying on ships while cloaked and someone who is just there. People who are hunting cloaked can probe people and things down and hunt in wormhole space, but wormhole space carebears are ready for them. 0.0 carebears should be ready for 0.0 hunters. |
met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
56
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Posted - 2012.01.15 03:48:00 -
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Clementina wrote:People who are hunting cloaked can probe people and things down and hunt in wormhole space, but wormhole space carebears are ready for them. 0.0 carebears should be ready for 0.0 hunters. After moving 0.0 anoms to sigs - totally agree.
You can remove local then too. Happy to risk it.
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Syphon Lodian
Fabled Enterprises
34
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Posted - 2012.01.15 03:49:00 -
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Tippia wrote:How is people being AFK a GÇ£hot issueGÇ¥?
In the Botverse, it's an issue. |
DelBoy Trades
Enslave. GIANTSBANE.
200
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Posted - 2012.01.15 03:53:00 -
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Seeing as sticking a cloaky in a botting system is one of the only ways you can disrupt their activity, I think it should be encouraged. Damn nature, you scary! |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
354
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Posted - 2012.01.15 03:59:00 -
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Ghost of Truth wrote:
This is a thread requesting CCp to take a position on the matter, and as a suggestion for the next expansion.If you agree, just Bump!!
CCP has taken a position on the matter. Fortunately for us it's not your position.
BTW, was that your system that one of the wh's I was exploring opened up to in null the other night? When I got there your mack's immediately pos'd up so I decided to go afk for a few hours in your ice belt. Is this what you're crying about?
Also, FYI, AFK cloakers can absolutely do you no harm. You know this right? We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Theodoric Darkwind
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
106
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Posted - 2012.01.15 03:59:00 -
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Im willing to bet isk that the OP is either some worthless renter or some scrubby CVA carebear.
Sorry not shedding any tears for you, if you cant handle the odd afk cloaker in your ratting system then go back to highsec where you belong. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5882
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Posted - 2012.01.15 04:09:00 -
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Theodoric Darkwind wrote:Im willing to bet isk that the OP is either some worthless renter or some scrubby CVA carebear.
Sorry not shedding any tears for you, if you cant handle the odd afk cloaker in your ratting system then go back to highsec where you belong. Threads like these probably make more people roll AFK cloaking alts to snipe the OP. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
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