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Graalum
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.08.31 13:19:00 -
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all i can say is shoot someone else first. I've been killed within a minute of each the start of each battle i've been in. Next time im bringing a supertanked scorp. just fyi.
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Tomeus
Bears Inc FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.31 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Futher Bezluden
We at ATLAS heard that rumor. Tomeus, remember the convo you had with CI/ATLAS when PURE attacked CI's sovereignty? You gave everyone there the same assurances. Then suddenly backed out 100%.
First, any semi-decent diplomat knows that you don't post your private chatlogs on a public forum. You fail at diplomacy.
Second, any good eve player knows that you post the full chatlog. Including the bit where I admitted, 5 minutes later that:
Third, I was given the wrong intel before going into that chatlog and was given a very borked view of what was going on. I'd been out of game for nearly a week and that convo was one of the first things I saw when I got back in. I was told that IO were under attack and Atlas were assisting them, when in fact it was Atlas who were under attack and IO who were assisting them. It was a simple communications breakdown, for which I take full responsibility and apologise, as I did indeed do straight after you cut that convo off when pasting. Atlas, unlike IO, were not in MAD. So we were not *obliged* to help you. I said I would recommend to high command that we assist. I did. They decided not to. End of story.
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Goberth Ludwig
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.08.31 13:53:00 -
[303]
Originally by: Johnny ReeRee
Originally by: Malachon Draco
1. Who says they are someone else's goals?
2.If it happens, I am sure we will find new targets soon enough.
But its pretty clear Smashkill have abandoned all pretenses of being part of the Coalition IMO.
Well, so has INVICTUS, of course. I haven't really seen any recent reports of INVICTUS actually fighting BoB, in Omist, Feythabolis, or anywhere else really.
Does standing on the sidelines cheerleading make you a member of the Coalition?
If its not reported on forums it didnt happen !
- Gob
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Virtuozzo
IVC Consortium INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.08.31 13:55:00 -
[304]
Originally by: Farham
Quote: I don't see it as destabalizing the entire region, I see it as destabalizing IO's foothold.
Unfortunately, the drone regions see it differently.
/me shrugs, tbh. Nothing's stable in EVE. By design :-)
Virtuozzo
Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" *snip* Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug |
TheAdj
World Order The Imperial Order
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Posted - 2007.08.31 13:59:00 -
[305]
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
3) One of these concerns is blues firing on us. Then we go show them they can't just do that and get away with it.
No, we won't just "forget" incursions like that just because people like INVICTUS set us to red and hoped they'd get away with it. We had you blue while you started attacking us. And now you side with others who have done similar things. Birds of a feather...
I sent a mail to a listed ROADKILL diplo months ago when we were just starting out as residents of FREGE stating they were reset. Since then IO did a complete standings wipe which was also posted here. I covered this a couple of pages back, so it was easily missed amidst the spammage. I made reasonable accommodations for letting you know you were no longer blue (as we copied most of FREGE's standings). Also I've seen mention of us firing up Scooter1 a while back, when this happened he said "gf" in local, personally if I was just blown up in a T2 fitted command ship I'd be downright ****ed, "gf" would not be the only thing I said in local.
This has gone on for a while (us firing on each other), and honestly I think you're just making **** up at this point to give a reason for doing this. Like the "threat we are to RK's stations" when you're like 30+ jumps away. That would be like BoB friends around feyth/etc coming to shoot us up because we're a threat to them :| If you want the station because it looks pretty, just sayso and move on, no need for an excusetrain. We had a large talk before MAD decided on attacking you in MJ and there wasn't much reasonable coming from Peoke except "they're going to die."
How you did not expect MAD member who had you blue to reset you I don't know, you had ample warning so cries of "oh noes they shot us while we had them blue" are just as bunk as the cries of IO shooting you while blue: You have us blue because you apparently can't read your damn evemails declaring standings resets. Don't whine about your diplomatic shortcomings and portray them as the evil Drone Alliances backstabbing you. ----------------
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Virtuozzo
IVC Consortium INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.08.31 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: John Blackthorn Of course Invictus convo's warning us with this and that, tries to say he informed us of the reset but no ceo, no diplomat has any such mails or convo's. John
Somehow that reminds me of ASCN days where pilots had no clue of what their leads were doing or neglecting to tell them. I noticed heft debates even in the northern command channel chatlogs dating from when it all began to last night .... but I guess it's yet another repeat of where the soldiers are abused rather then used. I have to admit, not informing the soldiers has merits here for SmashKill, as it makes them fight harder, but this kind of stuff always comes back to nip you in the behind as well, people eventually catch up. At that point, evolution distinguishes those who have values from those who do not care about anything.
I thought people learned from previous alliances with such **** happening >.<
Virtuozzo
Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" *snip* Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug |
Virtuozzo
IVC Consortium INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.08.31 14:03:00 -
[307]
Originally by: ZenTex
Originally by: Ebusitanus Hope Diplos might sort this out.
Erm, they're the one who started this mess in the 1st place.
Diplomats are a dying race, they don't measure up to evolution's demands.
Virtuozzo
Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" *snip* Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug |
Virtuozzo
IVC Consortium INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.08.31 14:04:00 -
[308]
Originally by: Ebusitanus
So much for "we got wronged" part. Ok, then lets just kill each other. Your skull on my desk is as good for an ashtray as that of a Bobit.
Um, smoking will kill you ....
Virtuozzo
Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" *snip* Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug |
zykerx
Lo0nEy To0nS R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.08.31 14:04:00 -
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ooh alot smack in this thread
some people in smashkill like smacktalking as thats makes there days more funn but i asume thats on both side
i diddnt had time to join any fights yet so cant say much about it and dunno why we started a boring poswar but thats not up tome but with al sides bringing alot numbers it wil be lagg/desync hell all over again yust like at the north, ccp cant handle big fights, the game isnt good enough for that stuff
i personally hopes this gets settled as poswar are yust nofunn but i geus it wont
so good luck to all, lets hope we dont have tomuch lagg/desync
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Virtuozzo
IVC Consortium INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.08.31 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin No, we won't just "forget" incursions like that just because people like INVICTUS set us to red and hoped they'd get away with it. We had you blue while you started attacking us. And now you side with others who have done similar things. Birds of a feather...
The stuff you are on must be brilliant. I'm looking at a northern command forum with chatlogs from the relevant channel filled with leads from various folks where smash & RK leads acknowledge the reset by IVC before anything happened ....
I'd prefer not to let this stoop so low that we're going to have to deal with social engineering and propaganda and all that mess, but instead just bash it out and when it's all over perhaps look each other in the eye again and say "damn, you're fun to fool around with". But please do not insult people's intelligence, especially not that of your own pilots. People aren't blind and deaf after all, and if there is one thing which keeps organisations alive, it is an absolute internal honesty when **** happens.
Now, let's keep having fun, that is what this game is for.
Virtuozzo
Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" *snip* Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug |
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Virtuozzo
IVC Consortium INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.08.31 14:10:00 -
[311]
Originally by: Johnny ReeRee
Originally by: Malachon Draco
1. Who says they are someone else's goals?
2.If it happens, I am sure we will find new targets soon enough.
But its pretty clear Smashkill have abandoned all pretenses of being part of the Coalition IMO.
Well, so has INVICTUS, of course. I haven't really seen any recent reports of INVICTUS actually fighting BoB, in Omist, Feythabolis, or anywhere else really.
Does standing on the sidelines cheerleading make you a member of the Coalition?
Let me give you one sample of one campaign ... http://killboard.eve-invictus.org/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=20
Now scratch behind your ears and look silly :P
Let me give you a tip, first inform yourself, then post. It helps, really, it does.
Virtuozzo
Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" *snip* Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug |
Francesca Dell'Agio
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Posted - 2007.08.31 14:11:00 -
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Originally by: Wesley Baird
Originally by: Futher Bezluden
We at ATLAS heard that rumor. Tomeus, remember the convo you had with CI/ATLAS when PURE attacked CI's sovereignty? You gave everyone there the same assurances. Then suddenly backed out 100%.
[snipped]
As a former diplomat, I have to say posting diplomatic discussions on a public forum is completely inappropriate, how do you ever expect to have any honest and open discussions with any other diplo ever?!!? When I was a diplo I had many open discussions with both friends and enemies with the knowledge that diplo's don't go spreading logs in public!
I can't believe Bobbby Atlas would be happy to see any diplomatic talks being made public...I understand during times of war, people get heated, but that is no reason to violate the trust that diplo's have when in comms with one another...
Wes .. Atlas and "open & honest" in the same sentence .. just don't go there :/
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Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.08.31 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Virtuozzo I'm looking at a northern command forum with chatlogs from the relevant channel filled with leads from various folks where smash & RK leads acknowledge the reset by IVC before anything happened ....
Oh, leads and chatlogs must mean it's true.
Believe what you will, you guys were blue to us up 'til the point you had been shooting our pilots (who still saw you as blue) for well over 6 hours.
I hope your guys enjoy the loot they had from this awesome fight. And hope you don't treat any more friends to this "hey let's change the + to a -"-scheme.
- Recruitment open again-
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Agif
World Order The Imperial Order
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Posted - 2007.08.31 14:17:00 -
[314]
Hey scooter been a long time so you going to disclose why you have decided to make this strike?
We are building to bring the fight to BOB along with everyone else but no all we are doing is wasting ships and iskies on possible ships we could use against BOB ?
I like the narrow mind's who formed the SmashKill as you guys seriously know how to make nutrition sway towards BOB's advantage....
I applaud you i really do
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Virtuozzo
IVC Consortium INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.08.31 14:21:00 -
[315]
Originally by: Agif Hey scooter been a long time so you going to disclose why you have decided to make this strike?
We are building to bring the fight to BOB along with everyone else but no all we are doing is wasting ships and iskies on possible ships we could use against BOB ?
I like the narrow mind's who formed the SmashKill as you guys seriously know how to make nutrition sway towards BOB's advantage....
I applaud you i really do
./Sigh
This ain't about bob.
Man.
Sigh.
Virtuozzo
Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" *snip* Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug |
Virtuozzo
IVC Consortium INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.08.31 14:23:00 -
[316]
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Originally by: Virtuozzo I'm looking at a northern command forum with chatlogs from the relevant channel filled with leads from various folks where smash & RK leads acknowledge the reset by IVC before anything happened ....
Oh, leads and chatlogs must mean it's true.
Believe what you will, you guys were blue to us up 'til the point you had been shooting our pilots (who still saw you as blue) for well over 6 hours.
I hope your guys enjoy the loot they had from this awesome fight. And hope you don't treat any more friends to this "hey let's change the + to a -"-scheme.
Your leadership lies to you. I'm sorry for that. I've seen too many alliances end up tearing their guts out over that kind of crap. Maybe I'm too passionate about such things, I jsut can't look at it when people get abused like that.
But let's get practical for a moment, considering you have lost the IVC argument already.
The last MAD alliance to reset standings was Rule of Three, prior to the engagement, Scooter acknowledged that in the (now almost funny) joint command channel ... what's next now that it's clear that saying IVC shot you while blue isn't working, are the leads going to try to spin it on a next target? :P
Virtuozzo
Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" *snip* Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug |
Goberth Ludwig
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.08.31 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Originally by: Virtuozzo I'm looking at a northern command forum with chatlogs from the relevant channel filled with leads from various folks where smash & RK leads acknowledge the reset by IVC before anything happened ....
Oh, leads and chatlogs must mean it's true.
Believe what you will, you guys were blue to us up 'til the point you had been shooting our pilots (who still saw you as blue) for well over 6 hours.
I hope your guys enjoy the loot they had from this awesome fight. And hope you don't treat any more friends to this "hey let's change the + to a -"-scheme.
Sorry but what else than chatlogs of you being notified would make it true? Say what you want but we did not have an ebil plan laid out to attack you while blue. As was said alredy we wernt even home and all you lost due to this supposed "blue on blue" action is 2 barges. Two Barges.
Everything else is just propaganda you are building on it to make your guys fight harder, I wonder how good it feels to be manipulated by your own leaders :\
- Gob
Stealth bombers work! |
Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.08.31 14:37:00 -
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Its both funny and sad that all of this is going on because a lot of misunderstanding and miscommunication. Of course if it leads to good PvP fights, it would in the end be great, but with the numbers involved now, it won't be.
Can't we just call off the sovereignty war, and agree to raid the **** out of each other instead of rolling out dreads and forcing each other into 200+ man fleets? I think its much easier and more fulfilling to vent your discontent in small to medium gangs and not the big lagridden fleetbattles anyway.
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zykerx
Lo0nEy To0nS R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.08.31 14:41:00 -
[319]
Originally by: Malachon Draco Its both funny and sad that all of this is going on because a lot of misunderstanding and miscommunication. Of course if it leads to good PvP fights, it would in the end be great, but with the numbers involved now, it won't be.
Can't we just call off the sovereignty war, and agree to raid the **** out of each other instead of rolling out dreads and forcing each other into 200+ man fleets? I think its much easier and more fulfilling to vent your discontent in small to medium gangs and not the big lagridden fleetbattles anyway.
yeah that would be cool .
"MY COMMENTS IN NO WAY REFLECT MY CORP OR ALLIANCE"
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USN CVN72
Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.08.31 14:51:00 -
[320]
Ding Ding, USN Arriving..
Both sides please stop posting and lets just fight.
Ding Ding, USN Departing..
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Graalum
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.08.31 14:53:00 -
[321]
Originally by: Virtuozzo
Originally by: Johnny ReeRee
Originally by: Malachon Draco
1. Who says they are someone else's goals?
2.If it happens, I am sure we will find new targets soon enough.
But its pretty clear Smashkill have abandoned all pretenses of being part of the Coalition IMO.
Well, so has INVICTUS, of course. I haven't really seen any recent reports of INVICTUS actually fighting BoB, in Omist, Feythabolis, or anywhere else really.
Does standing on the sidelines cheerleading make you a member of the Coalition?
Let me give you one sample of one campaign ... http://killboard.eve-invictus.org/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=20
Now scratch behind your ears and look silly :P
Let me give you a tip, first inform yourself, then post. It helps, really, it does.
wow you killed 68 bs. To put that in purspective, we killed and lost more than that yesterday. GJ.
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dor amwar
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.08.31 14:57:00 -
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all this he said she said not worth the time. if you want to reset standing at seven in the morning and immediately start shooting pilots and not expect people believe your playing standing games then you sir are in la la land.
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dor amwar
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.08.31 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: Graalum
Originally by: Virtuozzo
Originally by: Johnny ReeRee
Originally by: Malachon Draco
1. Who says they are someone else's goals?
2.If it happens, I am sure we will find new targets soon enough.
But its pretty clear Smashkill have abandoned all pretenses of being part of the Coalition IMO.
Well, so has INVICTUS, of course. I haven't really seen any recent reports of INVICTUS actually fighting BoB, in Omist, Feythabolis, or anywhere else really.
Does standing on the sidelines cheerleading make you a member of the Coalition?
Let me give you one sample of one campaign ... http://killboard.eve-invictus.org/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=20
Now scratch behind your ears and look silly :P
Let me give you a tip, first inform yourself, then post. It helps, really, it does.
wow you killed 68 bs. To put that in purspective, we killed and lost more than that yesterday. GJ.
think we have a few pilots that post close to those stats in the same ammount of time
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Stockarian
Minmatar Darklite inc INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.08.31 15:00:00 -
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Pew pew is always fun, friend on friend pew pew isn't, especially the sov kind. Roams are different, this gets too personal. I hope Smashkill reconsider there actions against Madpact before it's too late for you guys. I have a lot of friends in RK.
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Joe Widowmaker
A Black Knight Corp FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.31 15:03:00 -
[325]
Originally by: dor amwar all this he said she said not worth the time. if you want to reset standing at seven in the morning and immediately start shooting pilots and not expect people believe your playing standing games then you sir are in la la land.
If you expect Mad not to defend themselves in their own space, standings or not, "you sir are in la la land."
ABKC are recruiting, seehttp://www.abkc.evewebspace.com/ for more information |
Graalum
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.08.31 15:21:00 -
[326]
Originally by: Joe Widowmaker
Originally by: dor amwar all this he said she said not worth the time. if you want to reset standing at seven in the morning and immediately start shooting pilots and not expect people believe your playing standing games then you sir are in la la land.
If you expect Mad not to defend themselves in their own space, standings or not, "you sir are in la la land."
we expected frege and irc, maybe oxide but weren't sure about inv and ro3. I welcome you all to the land of pewage and death.
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Anthal
Order's Chaos FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.31 15:26:00 -
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Ignoring the rest of the smack, I came in here to say GF!
I fully expected to lose my Flycatcher for the third (fourth?) time this week to you guys, so I didn't bring much ammo. 40 bubbles and 1200 Caldari Navy Thorn Rockets later, the battle was over, and I had plenty of room to grab some loot to help replace my corpmate's lost ship. Maybe you can make my dream come true later tonight.
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Fitz Chivalry
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.08.31 15:28:00 -
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Edited by: Fitz Chivalry on 31/08/2007 15:28:26
Originally by: dor amwar think we have a few pilots that post close to those stats in the same ammount of time
No offence but fighting BOB (and allied gangs which are led by BoB) is just a wee bit harder than fighting you guys.
The operations in the South are on a completely different scale and often you would be unable to get many or any kills all night. .
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Drake Mezcal
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.08.31 15:29:00 -
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Edited by: Drake Mezcal on 31/08/2007 15:32:56 nevermind
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.08.31 15:32:00 -
[330]
Guys, please don't smack. We explained our point of view, Smashkill explained theirs. Let's take the rest ingame.
------------------------------------------------ Murphy's Golden Rule: Whoever has the gold, makes the rules.
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