Sorry mate. CCP and CSM had had these talks over a month ago. CCP and the voice of community (CSM) have agreed on those things and they will be implemented soon(tm)/ Changes according to what is agreed in minutes are likely already under testing. Yes it will be overall nerf to incursions income; especially if they hardcode so that you can't blitz any sites any longer. Though ti would end up being stupidly unbalanced with Legion fleets continuing to blitz NCOs and other 2 taking ages to finish.

Ofc for maximum lulz these changes would affect all kinds of Incurions and not just high-sec so it will murder isk/hr income for everyone doing them, no matter where. Well at least it may bring attention seekers off our backs.
Even if it ends not paying much more money than L4s, even for shiny fleets, it will of course remain 10000x more interesting than doing L4s

Edit. With or without blitzing shiny fleet will do sites faster as they will have more DPS on field and also better tank.

What evidence do you have of them "testing" this? I heard of nothing on Sisi.

Sorry mate. CCP and CSM had had these talks over a month ago. CCP and the voice of community (CSM) have agreed on those things and they will be implemented soon(tm)/ Changes according to what is agreed in minutes are likely already under testing. .

Until it gets to Sisi or announced it really isn't meaningful testing.

I want to see what CCP announces. If they limit vanguard nerfing to just forcing them to be completed it would be ok. However it is obvious that folks like darius in my opinon want them nuked from orbit.

Until it gets to Sisi or announced it really isn't meaningful testing.

I want to see what CCP announces. If they limit vanguard nerfing to just forcing them to be completed it would be ok. However it is obvious that folks like darius in my opinon want them nuked from orbit.

Can we have a vote as to who is dumber, Endeavor or Dzajic?

This is a checkbox vote so you are allowed to check all the boxes.

I find you to be more annoying than anyone else in this thread.

Can we have a vote as to who is dumber, Endeavor or Dzajic?

This is a checkbox vote so you are allowed to check all the boxes.

endeavor isnt dumb, theres a post up there about darius that hits the nail right on the head, hell check his own post history and read between the lines. start from the post where he says brick squad have split. the anger at not being able to control corp/alliance members them blaming and attacking incursions instead of looking to see what was wrong in the first place. i'll spell it out -treat your members better and they wouldnt flip you the bird and stay in hi sec doing incursions.

anyway i wouldn't worry too much about it, ccp know how valuable incursions are and they won't just take anyones word that they need a nerf/buff, they have their own people out there running incursions and are gathering opinions and solutions internally.

edit: one good thing i will say about darius and co is that they dont like something and they are doing something about it in game, if incursion runners dont like it they need to balls up and fight back.

If anyone thinks Darius is doing this to get member back in fleet, they are literally dumb as hell.

nope he lost them, he's just throwing all the toys out of the sandbox because some of the other kids don't want to play by his rules.

there would be more people in null if it wasnt for the greedy overlords. what's funny is they can't see what ccp are doing, or they do see and it's a kneejerk reaction to save their little empires.

haha you think Brick has little empires

it was a broad generalization relating to how stagnant null has become and the causes. you think ccp made insursions the way they are by accident?

Perhaps I do underestimate. If they don't like what is happening.. they can, and should.. do something about it ingame.

I don't see how I make Isk as being the slighest bit relevent. I don't do Incursions, they are boring. I don't take advantage of ppl that don't deserve it.. which is why I posted in the first place. I have no horse in this race ultimately.. because..

I do find this whole thing hilarious. And applaud those involved for making a stand ingame against something they dislike.. altho I think there is more to it than that..

It's pretty damn funny at face value. And this is EVE.. do something about it just like they are, ingame. That was and is the whole damn point of my post.. they get it, others don't and sadly never will.

EDIT: PvP players.. PvE players.. it is an excuse. A bullshit excuse. Everyone is an EVE player.. it is that simple. Making it more than that is denying the foundation and core of this Sandbox PvP MMO. All in the same box.. given same tools.

Stuff..

Are pvp pilots using alts to farm Incursions? Are they or are they not doing so with friends? Does it not take organizing to successfully handle Incursions on a repeated basis?

Believing they shouldn't have to.. cause this is a sandbox like you seem to agree.. is bullshit. They should not be cuddled with extra affection.. at all. Even though they are to an extent. And because of that.. why should they be entitled to more than those that don't have the same level of 'protection' surrounding them?

And stop being fail in simple words. I stated, repeatedly.. there is no pve, there is no pvp.. there is ONLY EVE players. Plain and simple. Why you are attempting to twist what I say and lump it up is obvious.. so knock it off. Makes you look like an idiot, quite honestly. And I don't think you are, a bit confused me thinks tho.

You.. too narrowly defined the word 'sand castle'. I take the word and broaden it.. a person's 'sand castle' in EVE to me can be their ideals, their land, their ships, to philosphy, basicly..

What They Make Of EVE For Themself.

I didn't say highsec mains had to step outside of highsec, or be terrified. Quite the opposite. They can get off their ass and defend what they believe is theirs tho.

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IMO.. go for It.. defend It.. or be a lil *****. Doesn't matter who or where you are in the Game, nor what you do. Choice is yours. Choice is mine. Get it yet?

If anyone thinks Darius is doing this to get member back in fleet, they are literally dumb as hell.

The Mittani abused his postion as a CSM to initiate a war vs all mining barges in high sec.
Now Darius is also abusing his position to do this.
As a CSM you should not be forcing your type of gaming into the rest of eve nor should you be using your position to carry out your private vandettas OR you will fail as CSM.

More stuff..

Soon you will not be able to count on having an incursion available to you 23/7. We will be killing the rest of the MS all at one time in a few days if negotiations with the BLT and TDF leaders fall apart.

We expect CCP to step in and spawn more/change the mechanic that makes them spawn.

After killing/forcing the MS to be killed, there were 700 in public incursion channel. So we made a fake logi fleet and got @15 BS killed by luring them and not repping them once aggro came in.

I am interested in hearing from a broader audience than Crime and Punishment about our actions.

Approve or disapprove and why?

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Do you really believe it takes a mass super gank?
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The only other offensive action that could be taken is to attack those guys on their home turf...which won't happen, because they're much bigger than anything the incursion community could muster with any sort of regularity.

I mean I guess there's always merc corps, but even for incursion runners I'd imagine hiring enough mercs to take on an alliance or two would be prohibitively expensive....not to mention the logistics of finding that many in the first place.