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Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.19 22:47:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Really? The incursion community couldn't muster a few dozen PVP ships to group up and wardec us? It's not that they lack numbers, it's that they lack the will (or maybe the courage) to actually do it. The consistency, sir. The organization that is enjoyed by having everyone in a single alliance with(more or less) the same goals. That is what they lack. It's not just one group of people...
Quote: Because hiring mercenaries has worked so well for them in the past.
Do you see me speaking highly of it? |
Substantia Nigra
NFI industrial Revival Of The Talocan Empire
437
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Posted - 2012.01.19 23:06:00 -
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Hey, I am new round here, and op making much big talk about doing something ... And lots of more big talk by many after that.
I looking in threads and not find yet anything major happenings... Except talking.
Has op actually achieved anything big like first post suggesting, or is this one also much bleat moan hot air?
We can build and sell pretty much every ship. Check my bio for details. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread |
Darius III
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
517
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Posted - 2012.01.20 06:46:00 -
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Substantia Nigra wrote:Hey, I am new round here, and op making much big talk about doing something ... And lots of more big talk by many after that.
I looking in threads and not find yet anything major happenings... Except talking.
Has op actually achieved anything big like first post suggesting, or is this one also much bleat moan hot air?
Not really. We killed two Sansha MS...well we killed one and forced destruction of another. Then when only one incursion was up we went in and killed close to 20 ships by forming fleets with logi that never repped anyone. Good times. Way more tears than I expected and we only slowed down the bears for 1 day. BUT it marked the first time in recent memory that a C&P pickup fleet was successful. Was done to show imbalance and get attention to the fact that incursions need rebalancing. How stupid is CCP? So stupid it took them SEVEN YEARS to make a "loot all' Button. |
Substantia Nigra
NFI industrial Revival Of The Talocan Empire
437
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Posted - 2012.01.20 07:33:00 -
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Darius III wrote:Not really. We killed two Sansha MS...well we killed one and forced destruction of another. Then when only one incursion was up we went in and killed close to 20 ships by forming fleets with logi that never repped anyone. Good times. Way more tears than I expected and we only slowed down the bears for 1 day. BUT it marked the first time in recent memory that a C&P pickup fleet was successful. Was done to show imbalance and get attention to the fact that incursions need rebalancing.
Ok, that sounds like somewhat a success against claims / plans. Well done. Whatever the motivation and claimed justifications I much prefer your approach ... Getting out and doing something ... Over the multi-channel anti-incursion bleat feast that seems to have become the norm. Good luck. I guess the incursion runners will just rely on short attention spans once the wiser-heads take over and the tearful few reship. Wish I was around, and in hisec, to join all this. Mind you I'd prolly be one of the incursion runners y'all trying to gank.
We can build and sell pretty much every ship. Check my bio for details. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
937
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Posted - 2012.01.20 10:37:00 -
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Off topic posts removed. Please stay on topic and polite, thank you.
Also be aware of several threads about incursions in the Crime $ Punishment forum. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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Xiozor
League of Non-Aligned Worlds Nulli Tertius
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Posted - 2012.01.20 10:55:00 -
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It's funny how people say "EVE is a Sandbox, I should be able to play it however I want within the games mechanics!" in response to people playing EVE as a sandbox, doing whatever they want within the game mechanics. |
Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
601
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Posted - 2012.01.20 11:08:00 -
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Darius III wrote:Substantia Nigra wrote:Hey, I am new round here, and op making much big talk about doing something ... And lots of more big talk by many after that.
I looking in threads and not find yet anything major happenings... Except talking.
Has op actually achieved anything big like first post suggesting, or is this one also much bleat moan hot air?
Not really. We killed two Sansha MS...well we killed one and forced destruction of another. Then when only one incursion was up we went in and killed close to 20 ships by forming fleets with logi that never repped anyone. Good times. Way more tears than I expected and we only slowed down the bears for 1 day. BUT it marked the first time in recent memory that a C&P pickup fleet was successful. Was done to show imbalance and get attention to the fact that incursions need rebalancing.
You really ought to correct that to say "I did it to try to perk up my failing chances for being reelected to the CSM and tried to say I joined late for the lols yet did not realize my actions will have just the opposite effect of galvanizing support against me in the next CSM election. And that my threats to take action against incursions because of someone's forum posting mean nothing because I know that now any further interdictions will be tied to said post." In my opinion. I suspect that would be far more accurate. |
Hans Momaki
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.01.20 11:08:00 -
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Xiozor wrote:It's funny how people say "EVE is a Sandbox, I should be able to play it however I want within the games mechanics!" in response to people playing EVE as a sandbox, doing whatever they want within the game mechanics.
wouldn't be a problem if the same players who are playing EvE as a sandbox now wouldn't have made 3 zillion whine-threads about people playing EvE as a Sandbox in the first place, lol. ;)
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Tyralyn
Stardust Academy
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Posted - 2012.01.20 12:57:00 -
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colay Starwolf wrote:what does it matter how someone plays this game its a sandbox game. I dunt understand all the hate being tossed at some of the players just based on how thay play the game. I have never once done incursions because i have never wanted to. It seem s that null sec players are forceing the way thay play on the rest of eve. And you seem, to be helping. Eve is a Sandbox game you are free to play it your way take away that freedom you take away part of the heart and soul if EvE onine.IF that is your goal you have failed as a CSM member.
Hey dont get angry if they kill all moms i go the 2 h doing lvl 4 missions and then i restart in my rl like always :-) -work on my house -go to work -making the thing wat you can do with you-Śre girlfriend -or i cruise a little bit with my Car
and i know they are sitting 24/7 on the pc and wait if a mom spawns haha
there are 2 kinds of people in the game the first ones getting horny if they can control other people in the game the other ones including me getting horny in the rl with there girlfirends and wives haha |
Tyralyn
Stardust Academy
1
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Posted - 2012.01.20 12:58:00 -
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Lord Vega
TAU CETI CENTER
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Posted - 2012.01.20 15:49:00 -
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Brick squad, worst squad..
Also, do you seriously expect to be reelected for CSM ?
noone cares about your conflict , it only shows you can gain attention by making alot of misfits and then poasting about it.. how about getting your attention by actually being pro instead of advertising how terrible you are :p |
BellaDonna Nyghtshade
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.01.20 15:55:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: ......... When I was in DR, in the beginning we had no moon, no goo yet we were in 0.0 with a nice ship replacement program even covering lost carriers and dreads .............
Dark Rising, as a corp, is a class act, and Mitch Taylor is one of the very very few folks running a corp who hasn't turned out to be a total asshat.
The problems are with the Alliances.
Most corps, even if headed by dillweeds, are decent into and of themselves.
It is the self righteous, sanctimonious, my-way-or-the-highway tinpot dictators that run the alliances that are the problem.
I, for one, and happier than hell that individual corpies have the chance to make some serious cake regardless of the Alliance head's effots to keep them starving and strung along.
That sad state of affairs, however, is that you have a few thousand mindless zombies centered around a clique who's entire purpose for being is to destroy every game they infest.
The fact that EvE has survived their near-continuous onslaught and infiltration is nothing less than a testimony to the reslience of the average eve pilot and the open sandbox nature of the game.
One simply chooses to not interact directly with them.
Oh, for certain, there is the butterfly effect and all, but at the end of the day there really isn;t all THAT much they can do to directy dictate an individual's playstyle.
In fact, it is that very LACK of granular control that maddens them most.
I have fun watching...............
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March rabbit
Ganse Shadow of xXDEATHXx
114
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Posted - 2012.01.20 16:54:00 -
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Darius III wrote: Not really. We killed two Sansha MS...well we killed one and forced destruction of another.
good job guys
Darius III wrote: Then when only one incursion was up we went in and killed close to 20 ships by forming fleets with logi that never repped anyone. Good times. Way more tears than I expected and we only slowed down the bears for 1 day. BUT it marked the first time in recent memory that a C&P pickup fleet was successful. Was done to show imbalance and get attention to the fact that incursions need rebalancing.
hm... i see high-sec is a something different than 0.0.... in my alliance mail i have new message almost every day "be aware! new blue tackler!".... Well. Maybe for you high-seccers this is real PRO to do it
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XXSketchxx
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.01.20 17:33:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Darius III wrote: Soon you will not be able to count on having an incursion available to you 23/7. We will be killing the rest of the MS all at one time in a few days if negotiations with the BLT and TDF leaders fall apart.
We expect CCP to step in and spawn more/change the mechanic that makes them spawn.
After killing/forcing the MS to be killed, there were 700 in public incursion channel. So we made a fake logi fleet and got @15 BS killed by luring them and not repping them once aggro came in.
I am interested in hearing from a broader audience than Crime and Punishment about our actions.
Approve or disapprove and why?
At first glance this thread could be viewed as information about Sansha Incursions which is pertinent to 'Missions & Complexes' sub forum channel. However, in reality it doesn't even remotely pertain to 'Missions & Complexes'. The initial opening statement in the OP pertains to Corporation/Alliance politics and basically is an open declaration of war regarding Sansha Incursions. This fact alone shows this thread is in the wrong sub forum channel and as such should be moved to 'Corporation, Alliance & Organization Discussions'. The next statement makes reference to CCP making possible changes to game play mechanics regarding Sansha Incursions which at this time is mostly conjecture from the OP. This fact alone shows this thread is in the wrong sub forum channel and as such should be moved to 'Features & Ideas Discussion' or 'Issues, Workarounds & Localization'. Then the OP makes reference about completing a site and then gloats about creating a fake Logi Fleet to facilitate the destruction of other players ships. This fact alone shows this thread is in the wrong sub forum channel and as such should be moved to 'Crime & Punishment'. Last but not least, the OP asks the community members here to participate in a discussion and post their viewpoints, both pro and con, about this thread without actually benefiting from the answers. This fact alone shows this thread is in the wrong sub forum channel and as such should be moved to 'Eve General Discussion'. Now if there's already a similar thread active somewhere else in these forums, then this thread needs to be locked. Some might argue that it could pertain to 'Missions & Complexes' serving as a warning about Sansha Incursions. However, due to the lack of detail and the various topics contained in the OP, that is not the case. Personally I think the original post of this thread is actually just a rant looking to incite a flame war as well as a gloat looking to gain fame and notoriety. Either way it doesn't belong in 'Missions & Complexes' and as such is now being reported.
Thanks for the explanation white knight. Glad you could contribute to this thread.
Hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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jakejekel
Night Breed Pack The Port Authority
0
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Posted - 2012.01.21 01:19:00 -
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Ok, i don't do incursions any more, too ez. so they don't really effect me directly. the indirect consequences seem to be the price of everything going up in eve as tons of people are making isk hand over fist without adding anything to the market, therefore causing inflation. point in case- the price of plexes has remained steady at approximately 350 mil isk for about 2 years, with some small variation, but now, the average price of a plex is nearly 500 mil isk. the idea is to get people into low and null sec space, but it doesn't matter how lucrative you make it. people will go where they feel safe, even if they make less, just to feel safe. low and null sec will remain nearly deserted until people can feel safe there. killing the motherships in high sec is a good thing for the economy of eve, but it won't send high sec bunnys flocking into low and null. they will just run level 4 missions again. yes, it is less lucrative, but they can feel safe doing them. the only way to get people out of high sec is to either make it far more dangerous, or have a way that they can feel safe outside high sec. if there were a way to .... lets say hire, for a large sum of isk, concord as a defense in low/null then you would get people out there. it dosn't have to be absolute protection, but it needs to work at least half the time. the other half perhaps the concord ship can be killed, or even betray the paying character if someone offers more isk to them........ just my 2 cents..... |
Dzajic
57
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Posted - 2012.01.21 01:56:00 -
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CCP CSM meeting
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3377
Notes from said meeting:
http://www.eveonline.com/council/transcripts/2011/CSM_CCP_Mettings_7-9_12_2011.pdf
Inflation in EVE is minor; PLEX is unrelated to ISK flow; Incursions are good for the game.
Those ain't my words, those are words of CCP and CSM.
And in case you wonder why PLEX is high.
https://secure.eveonline.com/fanfest/default.aspx
Nothing new, same happened last year. Couple thousand people buying from 6-30 PLEX to go to Iceland as its easier for them to spend couple dozen billion game money than couple hundred real $. Gee I wonder if PLEX will go up. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
144
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Posted - 2012.01.21 02:31:00 -
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1) The meeting happened before Christmas vacations (when increased player base puts more pressure on economy.
2) EvE used to have deflation till the last year. Turning to inflation means something happened that turned the tables enough to flip a long deflationary trend.
3) On May 2011 PLEXes rose by almost 100M over the prior months. Look at the PLEX prices on bi-yearly trend over there. Then, instead of tanking during the summer they kept rising. I somewhat doubt that people were buying PLEXes in August because of a trip to do half a year later. |
MadMuppet
Kerguelen Station
92
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Posted - 2012.01.21 02:49:00 -
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This gives the term MILF a whole new meaning. Yes, I only have a Vigil, I've had a bad bit of luck Ok? |
BENJAMENIZ3R
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.21 02:53:00 -
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As an incursiom runner, i feel we make too much isk from these sites... They were meant as a PVP carebear experience. So as a concerned evetizen, i am disheartened that this experience is ruined in favor of some few pilots running them so fast to make isk and excluding those they deem 'not shiny' enough. As a BTL pub member i call for Brick and others to hurry close the MOM sites in hisec as fast as possible. We really must move our incursions to low-sec to foster moar pvp. Some silly newbies might think EvE isnt about PvP, so here is your wake up call everyone vs everyone Read that into an accronym and close your silly little yaps.
Darius and those with him, pls continue your fine work, you are iterating on CCP's original idea and i salute you |
gascanu
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.01.21 11:06:00 -
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how about both tdf and btf stop running incursions for a while, and go back to running missions or whatever? Do you really think they will pay? They can't be that stupid, the second they pay they'll have a dozen alliances on they'r ass trying to do the same |
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Darius III
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
523
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Posted - 2012.01.21 11:18:00 -
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gascanu wrote:how about both tdf and btf stop running incursions for a while, and go back to running missions or whatever? Do you really think they will pay? They can't be that stupid, the second they pay they'll have a dozen alliances on they'r ass trying to do the same
If they paid I am sure those involved wouldnt tell a soul, to protect their racket.
Hint: Give him the 176 M isk a day and be done with it. How stupid is CCP? So stupid it took them SEVEN YEARS to make a "loot all' Button. |
gascanu
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.01.21 11:31:00 -
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Darius III wrote:gascanu wrote:how about both tdf and btf stop running incursions for a while, and go back to running missions or whatever? Do you really think they will pay? They can't be that stupid, the second they pay they'll have a dozen alliances on they'r ass trying to do the same If they paid I am sure those involved wouldnt tell a soul, to protect their racket. Hint: Give him the 176 M isk a day and be done with it.
not after you posted all over the place how btf need to speak with you or you will close the incursion; ppl are nor that stuppid, you know, or at least i hope they aren't |
XXSketchxx
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
108
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Posted - 2012.01.21 13:07:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Thread cleaned of offtopic posts. Spitfire
bahahahaahaha |
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
9
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Posted - 2012.01.21 22:08:00 -
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Hmmm ... closing the incursions by killing the MOM quickly. Purpose? a. griefing HiSec runners b. lutz c. making point aimed at payout d. wanting the best loot for selves. e. trying to force CCP into action so you can whine about it f. all of the above?
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XXSketchxx
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
112
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Posted - 2012.01.21 22:36:00 -
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Nick Bison wrote:Hmmm ... closing the incursions by killing the MOM quickly. Purpose? a. griefing HiSec runners b. lutz c. making point aimed at payout d. wanting the best loot for selves. e. trying to force CCP into action so you can whine about it f. all of the above?
Purpose of this post? |
Weiland Taur
Ceptic Innovations Rebel Alliance of New Eden
10
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Posted - 2012.01.22 04:24:00 -
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I wish people in these posts would stop defining bullying behavior fueled by anonymity or peer support as sociopathic behavior. They are very different. Also please stop acting as if Null is so damn dangerous. In Null if a red pops in you pos-up or you fight. It is much harder to avoid getting ganked in hisec than Null due to NBSI rules of engagement. Wormhole space is dangerous. It is where those who really want to skate the razor's edge go.
This wonderful campaign is ganking and extortion and it looks like in Darius's case a dangerous but incredibly fun to watch attempt to outshine the CSM chairman in "I influence CCP" points. It's eve in all its wonderful Eve colors. Let's stop pretending it's something more.
Incursion runners simply fleet with friends and the logi issue is solved. Find the motherships first and gank the gankers. I assume you can afford it. Imagine the massive gank battles that would have to take place under Sansha mothership lasers? I would love someone to FRAPS that.
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Dino Boff
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
1
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Posted - 2012.01.22 05:07:00 -
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Little clarification. Krissada's fleet is not blitzing the motherships. We are just killing them as soon as they show up as it was meant to be. As a result some of those incursion events have been very short.
But the responsibility is on the capsulers who are blitzing this event and on CCP who didn't fix some of the sites. Without these broken sites, HS incursion wouldn't generate this crazy amount of ISK, those incursion wouldn't be so short, capsulers would focus on getting that mothership down instead of farming those events and HS bears wouldn't be so addicted to that easy ISK.
Thanks to Krissada for fixing the game. |
Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
606
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Posted - 2012.01.22 05:21:00 -
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New incursion in Ancbeu as of this post. Now here is to the hope they will remove the mom soon after it spawns. BTL and TDF leadership must be replaced. |
Spineker
104
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Posted - 2012.01.22 05:26:00 -
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The fix is to make them non-respawn then the Epeens and their broken CSM's can go back to Null and pretend they are important. Then like all other MMO's you kill the trash to get to the Boss. Not hard to understand they will still get huge rewards. Just up the Mothership Drops (really hard?)
Then the CSM's can go back to pretending they are important. Which they have become far too important today. |
Katherine Starlight
Apex Tech Xenogenesis Alliance
3
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Posted - 2012.01.22 08:26:00 -
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New highsec incursion in Ancbeu as stated some posts ago, gallente space, please close it as soon as possible on the behalf of all EVE players. Yours sincerely Katherine |
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