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Luna Nilaya Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.12 18:48:00 - [331] OK.. I didn't read the whole thread but in the beginnig there was a lot of talk about chances that two civilizations would exist at the same time. I think the real question is that could we ever invent something like a warp drive. Because if it's possible, some civilizations would have invented it and colonized a lot of systems which would mean that they won't die off.. ever.. unless all the energy in the universe would eventually fall back together and cause another big bang. Anyways, if we have billions of aliens warping around establishing new colonies it's quite likely that we are being visited by aliens. There's also a LOT of unexplained UFO stuff that I can't really think any explanation for other than time travelers or alien visitors. We could also be dealing with artificial intelligence here, for them time doesn't really matter so they can travel to other planets without warp speeds. But it's hard for me to imagine that we are never going to find a way to travel quickly to other solar systems. Just think about how far we've come in just the last 100 years and then think about like 500 years into the future.
Shakuul Caldari O RLY corp YTMND.	Posted - 2007.09.12 18:58:00 - [332] I wouldn't be surprised if at some point extraterrestrial bacteria have visited the earth, or at least our upper atmosphere before they burned out. I would be really surprised if we were ever visited by aliens that looked anything like the common science fiction variety (green/grey skin, thin humanoids with big heads). I don't see anything wrong with being a "knee jerk skeptic" when the burden of proof lies on the intelligent alien believer.
Taniquetil Caldari	Posted - 2007.09.12 20:12:00 - [333] Are they visiting? Nah , you have to hope that any race capable of that kind of technology has more sense.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.09.12 21:42:00 - [334] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 12/09/2007 21:42:28 Originally by: Shakuul I wouldn't be surprised if at some point extraterrestrial bacteria have visited the earth, or at least our upper atmosphere before they burned out. I would be really surprised if we were ever visited by aliens that looked anything like the common science fiction variety (green/grey skin, thin humanoids with big heads). I don't see anything wrong with being a "knee jerk skeptic" when the burden of proof lies on the intelligent alien believer. Well, I think this thread does a good job at showing some of the best sightings. Then its up to you to assess what you think it is. This is not a science where I can proof anything. :) You just have to figure out what the most likely explanation is for yourself. --- The Disclosure Project \| My UFO Thread (read it!)
Alias11 GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.12 22:49:00 - [335] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: DarkMatter I've seen all the video Jim, none of it is proof. Video alone never will be enough proof... Alright. What kind of scientific proof are you after? documented physical evidence showing, beyond reasonable doubt, to be of intelligent extraterrestrial origin. As for the whole NASA thing, there's plenty of others who have access to space. CASA, RSA, The multitude of commercial entities that are up there. Also, every astronaut I know is a terrible liar and the government is completely incapable of any kind of cover up. The bay of pigs invasion was botched because someone forgot about Daylight Savings time. Do you honestly think these people could make a coverup that massive last for more than a month
Zephyr Mallory Limberry Aegis GmbH	Posted - 2007.09.12 23:37:00 - [336] There's not even intelligent life on earth. Sentient and aware of it's own existence.. but far from intelligent. Intelligence would have overcome religion and politics long ago.
Dred 'Morte Winds of Dawn Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.13 01:12:00 - [337] By that line of thought, they're intelligent, we are not. Simple. I hate Jacques Archambault
Captain Hudson Caldari Intergalactic Space Defense Force DeStInY.	Posted - 2007.09.13 01:32:00 - [338] There is more chance of their being a massive outbreak of a virus that makes people go insane like in 28 days later/weeks later than aliens showing themselves in the next 10years tbh Originally by: SPQRMocton We would love to have a bunch of teenage pimple boys with no real pvp ability to fil our corpse yards
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.09.13 08:21:00 - [339] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 13/09/2007 08:27:23 Originally by: Alias11 documented physical evidence showing, beyond reasonable doubt, to be of intelligent extraterrestrial origin. Yeah that wont happen. They have obviously been instructed to not directly interfere with our civilization (at least the public). If there is such a thing as aliens and alien civilizations, there will be rules for first contact and so on, based on their experience from the past. Originally by: Alias11 As for the whole NASA thing, there's plenty of others who have access to space. CASA, RSA, The multitude of commercial entities that are up there. Also, every astronaut I know is a terrible liar and the government is completely incapable of any kind of cover up. The bay of pigs invasion was botched because someone forgot about Daylight Savings time. Do you honestly think these people could make a coverup that massive last for more than a month The russians (RSA) have talked about seeing plenty of UFO's in space. I guess you didnt see the link on a previous page. CASA dont go to space as far as I know? The astronauts have told what they have seen on a number of occasions, specially the ones from the Apollo missions. Its also in the thread earlier. And yes, I believe the government is very good at keeping secrets. But of course they dont want to look like they are. --- The Disclosure Project \| My UFO Thread (read it!)
Dred 'Morte Winds of Dawn Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.13 17:02:00 - [340] Holy ** people, holy ** What if this is true? ET Motivations The Failure of Power Politics a lot of intresting read that is consistent with much of what has previously been posted here before I hate Jacques Archambault

Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.09.13 17:23:00 - [341] Originally by: Dred 'Morte Holy ** people, holy ** What if this is true? ET Motivations The Failure of Power Politics a lot of intresting read that is consistent with much of what has previously been posted here before Well, specially the part about the greys are well known by now, and Plejarans are the ones using Billy Meyer to communicate their wishes to us. But how are we supposed to discuss something like that when most people dont even believe they exist? :) --- The Disclosure Project \| My UFO Thread (read it!)
Dred 'Morte Winds of Dawn Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.13 17:27:00 - [342] Well, i'll try doing my part, not sure how, but i will. I guess i can try to tell all these things to my family, some might believe and some might even tell others and so forth. Some kind of movement has to be started, somewhere. I guess History tends to repeat itself. We got out of the Dark Age didn't we? I have faith, not in God, but in humanity. I hate Jacques Archambault
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.09.13 17:29:00 - [343] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 13/09/2007 17:36:05 Originally by: Dred 'Morte Well, i'll try doing my part, not sure how, but i will. I guess i can try to tell all these things to my family, some might believe and some might even tell others and so forth. Some kind of movement has to be started, somewhere. I guess History tends to repeat itself. We got out of the Dark Age didn't we? I have faith, not in God, but in humanity. Yeah, keep spreading the information. :) I believe once the world know we are not alone, different nations will be much less likely to want to kill eachother, and hopefully realize we have the opportunity to truly develop as a race (the human race) in a peaceful direction together with the other civilizations out there. I just hope we dont blow ourselfs up before it happens. --- The Disclosure Project \| My UFO Thread (read it!)
Alias11 GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.14 01:27:00 - [344] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 13/09/2007 08:29:30 Originally by: Alias11 documented physical evidence showing, beyond reasonable doubt, to be of intelligent extraterrestrial origin. Yeah that wont happen. They have obviously been instructed to not directly interfere with our civilization (at least the public). If they aren't allowed to interfere, why are they making crosses in the sky above florida (Apparently) Quote: And yes, I believe the government is very good at keeping secrets. But of course they dont want to look like they are. So the fact that the government has proven pretty incompetent at coverups is only further proof that they are covering this up? Do you understand what is wrong with your reasoning here?
Ilvan	Posted - 2007.09.14 07:15:00 - [345] I used to believe in aliens that visited the Earth. I don't anymore, for a number of reasons. Logically I simply cannot find any reason why intelligent life would be on or near Earth and not make contact. Most of the conspiracy theories or 'they're just watching/studying us' claims fail to hold up to critical thought. I do believe that life can and probably does exist outside of our solar system... but I make no guesses on to how advanced any of that life is.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.09.14 07:24:00 - [346] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 14/09/2007 07:24:19 Originally by: Alias11 If they aren't allowed to interfere, why are they making crosses in the sky above florida (Apparently) I said directly interfere. Just think about it. If there is such things as aliens and alien civilizations, there will be rules for first contact. Originally by: Alias11 So the fact that the government has proven pretty incompetent at coverups is only further proof that they are covering this up? Do you understand what is wrong with your reasoning here? Well, lets just say I understand why you think it is. --- The Disclosure Project \| My UFO Thread (read it!)
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.09.14 07:25:00 - [347] Originally by: Jim McGregor I said directly interfere. Just think about it. If there is such things as aliens and alien civilizations, there will be rules for first contact. Why do you assume this? An alien civilization would be just that: ALIEN. There's no way to extrapolate their sociology using human behavior as a sample set.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.09.14 07:32:00 - [348] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 14/09/2007 07:36:42 Originally by: Amarria Black Originally by: Jim McGregor I said directly interfere. Just think about it. If there is such things as aliens and alien civilizations, there will be rules for first contact. Why do you assume this? An alien civilization would be just that: ALIEN. There's no way to extrapolate their sociology using human behavior as a sample set. It just seems logical me to that you dont interfere with whatever civilization you encounter in space. You could easily create accidental wars, changes in their belief system, history, technology and so on, which could have a negative impact on their civilization, specially if you are more advanced than they are. --- The Disclosure Project \| My UFO Thread (read it!)
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.09.14 07:43:00 - [349] Originally by: Jim McGregor It just seems logical me to that you dont interfere with whatever civilization you encounter in space. You could easily create accidental wars, changes in their belief system, history, technology and so on, which could have a negative impact on their civilization, specially if you are more advanced than they are. And? A space-faring civilization could just as easily be motivated by raping and pillaging all they lay <insert sensory input device here> on as they could by peaceable pursuits. Or they could take umbrage to our wanton usury of their photosynthetic brothers and sisters and be compelled to genocide. Or they could just do it to xenoform Terra to something more acceptable to their tastes, not considering homo sapiens to be truly sentient beings. Again, you're taking something that you have absolutely no knowledge of and applying characteristics on it based upon the way certain groups of humans behave.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.09.14 07:50:00 - [350] Originally by: Amarria Black And? A space-faring civilization could just as easily be motivated by raping and pillaging all they lay <insert sensory input device here> on as they could by peaceable pursuits. Or they could take umbrage to our wanton usury of their photosynthetic brothers and sisters and be compelled to genocide. Or they could just do it to xenoform Terra to something more acceptable to their tastes, not considering homo sapiens to be truly sentient beings. Again, you're taking something that you have absolutely no knowledge of and applying characteristics on it based upon the way certain groups of humans behave. If you read the exopolitics links above, they talk both of races that use other civilizations for slave labor as well as races who like to help without interfering. Specially the Greys seems to like to do as they please, abducting people for experiments and so on. But most of the aliens seem to be friendly according to those sources. You should read it, its a fascinating read even if you dont believe it. --- The Disclosure Project \| My UFO Thread (read it!)

Ilvan	Posted - 2007.09.14 07:58:00 - [351] Originally by: Jim McGregor If you read the exopolitics links above, they talk both of races that use other civilizations for slave labor as well as races who like to help without interfering. Specially the Greys seems to like to do as they please, abducting people for experiments and so on. But most of the aliens seem to be friendly according to those sources. You should read it, its a fascinating read even if you dont believe it. If they're so friendly then how come they haven't done anything about the greys that like to abduct us? How come they haven't given us any warning or help? How bad could interfering possibly be compared to us serving as cattle? None of it adds up. It's the work of people with too much free time and a tenuous grip on sanity.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.09.14 08:03:00 - [352] Originally by: Ilvan If they're so friendly then how come they haven't done anything about the greys that like to abduct us? How come they haven't given us any warning or help? How bad could interfering possibly be compared to us serving as cattle? None of it adds up. It's the work of people with too much free time and a tenuous grip on sanity. Well, because the Greys have an agreement with the US government according to those sources. Apparently the greys is allowed to abduct (and return) a certain number of people in exchange for alien technology. Sounds like straight out of a sci-fi movie right? But thats what it says. The agreement between the Greys and us means other races dont have a right to interfere. --- The Disclosure Project \| My UFO Thread (read it!)
Pesadel0 Ordem dos Templarios Pax Atlantis	Posted - 2007.09.14 08:19:00 - [353] Originally by: DarkMatter Edited by: DarkMatter on 06/09/2007 18:54:23 Originally by: Sharupak Originally by: DarkMatter Quote: You know, you could start with a couple of bucks and buy a good camera and pay a grad student to "scientifically" film some of this stuff at UFO hot spots. Or is there not enough circumstantial evidence for that. It would be money better spent than say....those douchebags from berkley trying to figure out how egyptians erected 11 ton obelisks with friggen kites! Because you know there was soooo much evidence for that! Hey, if I could make as much money looking into the UFO thing as I do at my day job as an Engineer, I would do it! Just like space exploration, until it becomes a profitable venture, nothing of substance will happen. We've had the capability for over 50 years to explore space, and we're still just dipping out toes in the pool. Now if some company was sure UFO's existed, and their technology was out there for the reverse engineering, it would be different. No one will spend the money when all they see is a bunch of weird ppl's stories & bad pictures & video... That is because the ideology that people in this thread seem to love to regurgitate of the scientific method is for the purposes of the analysis of an experiment after all the bases are covered. Scientists should never be in charge of figuring out how to cover the bases because they will **** around and pontificate add nauseam. This is what has happened to NASA. However, there will come a time when the powers that be will decide its time to take the next step to which then, crazy people and fighter pilots and other people with balls will be hired to damn the consequences. What the hell are you going on about? If anyone is privy to the fact that UFO's don't exist, it's NASA. And believe me, if UFO's did exist, NASA/US government would spend money on it, and real science would be performed. Governments if they knew that aliens exist wouldn¦t tell jack to its population,the mere implications of an official government saying "hi we found evidence of intelligence lifeforms,and we are "communicating" with them" is assuming that people around the world would be happy that we are not alone.I think you would see alot off religions crumble or gain power ,governments would have too deal with fanatics,mass hysteria and terrorism on another new level. But i think we aren't being visited by aliens ,when we do we will notice it,basically a race that spends ligth years to say "hi peacelovers" isnt going to happen ,if they come here with superior technology they would wipe the floor with us. Like when Spanish and Portuguese reached in the South-America and to some extent in Africa .
Ilvan	Posted - 2007.09.14 08:22:00 - [354] Originally by: Jim McGregor Well, because the Greys have an agreement with the US government according to those sources. Apparently the greys is allowed to abduct (and return) a certain number of people in exchange for alien technology. Sounds like straight out of a sci-fi movie right? But thats what it says. The agreement between the Greys and us means other races dont have a right to interfere. No offense, but that sounds utterly ridiculous. The idea that a bunch of aliens would have the know-how to travel to Earth but would require live subjects to do tests on... hell, we can already simulate a lot of biological research with computers, why can't they? Why not just give them a few hundred fertilized eggs? They could clone them, splice them, induce mutations... But I suppose that wouldn't be 'sinister' enough, and you can't have alien conspiracy theories without sinister, manipulative aliens. It's just superstition with a sci-fi coat of paint.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.09.14 08:25:00 - [355] Originally by: Pesadel0 But i think we aren't being visited by aliens ,when we do we will notice it,basically a race that spends ligth years to say "hi peacelovers" isnt going to happen ,if they come here with superior technology they would wipe the floor with us. Not all races are aggressive and like to kill stuff like humans do. In fact, none of them are it seems. Thats probably why they have survived long enough to get the technology for space travel. --- The Disclosure Project \| My UFO Thread (read it!)
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.09.14 08:26:00 - [356] Originally by: Ilvan Originally by: Jim McGregor Well, because the Greys have an agreement with the US government according to those sources. Apparently the greys is allowed to abduct (and return) a certain number of people in exchange for alien technology. Sounds like straight out of a sci-fi movie right? But thats what it says. The agreement between the Greys and us means other races dont have a right to interfere. No offense, but that sounds utterly ridiculous. The idea that a bunch of aliens would have the know-how to travel to Earth but would require live subjects to do tests on... hell, we can already simulate a lot of biological research with computers, why can't they? Why not just give them a few hundred fertilized eggs? They could clone them, splice them, induce mutations... But I suppose that wouldn't be 'sinister' enough, and you can't have alien conspiracy theories without sinister, manipulative aliens. It's just superstition with a sci-fi coat of paint. No offense taken, everyone should believe what they want. :) --- The Disclosure Project \| My UFO Thread (read it!)
Pesadel0 Ordem dos Templarios Pax Atlantis	Posted - 2007.09.14 08:32:00 - [357] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Ilvan If they're so friendly then how come they haven't done anything about the greys that like to abduct us? How come they haven't given us any warning or help? How bad could interfering possibly be compared to us serving as cattle? None of it adds up. It's the work of people with too much free time and a tenuous grip on sanity. Well, because the Greys have an agreement with the US government according to those sources. Apparently the greys is allowed to abduct (and return) a certain number of people in exchange for alien technology. Sounds like straight out of a sci-fi movie right? But thats what it says. The agreement between the Greys and us means other races dont have a right to interfere. That seems a bit naive ,an alien race comes here and makes a deal with one of hundreds of contrys in the world,legitimating a deal about abducting its own people? Like the poster from above said a race that has that much technology would ask,they would conquer,why ask if you can conquer? If anything they could come here abduct people and they would¦t have to ask permission from anybody because basically their ships would be beyond our wildest dreams and i doubt that we would have the technology to destroy them.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.09.14 08:34:00 - [358] Originally by: Amarria Black Occam's Razor, Occam's Razor, Occam's Razor. Why haven't the happy spacefaring aliens revealed themselves to the public at-large? Or why haven't the evil spacefaring aliens shown up and randomly started shooting things? They're not there. Well, judging from cave paintings, statues and so on, they have done so a number of times in our history. And as for evil spacefaring aliens shooting stuff...why would they want to kill a civilization? It makes no sense at all. --- The Disclosure Project \| My UFO Thread (read it!)
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.09.14 08:37:00 - [359] Originally by: Pesadel0 Like the poster from above said a race that has that much technology would ask,they would conquer,why ask if you can conquer? They are not aggressive like humans are. --- The Disclosure Project \| My UFO Thread (read it!)
Pesadel0 Ordem dos Templarios Pax Atlantis	Posted - 2007.09.14 08:38:00 - [360] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Pesadel0 But i think we aren't being visited by aliens ,when we do we will notice it,basically a race that spends ligth years to say "hi peacelovers" isnt going to happen ,if they come here with superior technology they would wipe the floor with us. Not all races are aggressive and like to kill stuff like humans do. In fact, none of them are it seems. Thats probably why they have survived long enough to get the technology for space travel. Point taken but wouldn¦t a race like ours would be a bit off a thread to them then?Why should they give us the edge we need to become more powerful then them ? If we take the things that happen in nature ,like predadors and preys wouldn¦t they had to go to war or defend themselfs against another race that wants to conquer them or plunder their resources?



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