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Angela Toren Amarr Toren Shipyards	Posted - 2007.09.03 17:13:00 - [151] We are not alone in the universe but i dont believe in the nonsense of little green men in flying saucers crashing in nevada. It really is quite silly.
Dred 'Morte Winds of Dawn Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.04 00:19:00 - [152] Edited by: Dred ''Morte on 04/09/2007 00:20:37 Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Jim McGregor Killing Buzz Aldrin because he saw a UFO seems a bit stupid. :) There are millions of people seeing them all over the world. Do me a favor, please watch the disclosure project in my signature. Then tell me what you think of it. And please watch all of it even though its long. People with former top secret security clearance speak of existing alternative energy sources and other interesting things. I clicked that link a while back, 1 hour 45 minutes and the first 10 minutes where random bull****, dont have the time to watch the entire thing right now tbh. believe me mate, you have no idea what you're missing. it gets better to the end, and then there is the part 1 and 2 of the DVD. It's awesome, although I must admit, scary to think it's all true. I liked when the reporter asked: "-Could you describe the appearance of the ET?" "-It would take many hours as we catalogued at least 57 species, though I can say they were all humanoid, bipedal, which is weird considering they came from different planets (...)" also intresting the old man saying these beings were not only mortal, but they also had loves and deslikes and culture. I get the feeling some of these ETs may be more intrested in helping us rather than harm us, but probably suffer from a first directive or something. One day there'll be a president with the balls to do something about this.
Digitalfox Central Defiance	Posted - 2007.09.04 01:16:00 - [153] Some times I think the surest sign of inteligent life out there, is that none of it has tried to contact us -Cavin and Hobbs -------------------------------------------------------------------- Central Defiance says "check out our movie" DEFY
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.09.04 06:32:00 - [154] Originally by: Dred 'Morte Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Jim McGregor Killing Buzz Aldrin because he saw a UFO seems a bit stupid. :) There are millions of people seeing them all over the world. Do me a favor, please watch the disclosure project in my signature. Then tell me what you think of it. And please watch all of it even though its long. People with former top secret security clearance speak of existing alternative energy sources and other interesting things. I clicked that link a while back, 1 hour 45 minutes and the first 10 minutes where random bull****, dont have the time to watch the entire thing right now tbh. believe me mate, you have no idea what you're missing. it gets better to the end, and then there is the part 1 and 2 of the DVD. It's awesome, although I must admit, scary to think it's all true. Good isnt it? I very much recommend this video as well if you havent seen it. Its one of the videos that really got me interested in this whole thing. The hairs was standing up on my arms by the end of it. --- The Disclosure Project
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.09.04 08:27:00 - [155] I just want to recommend you to read the entire thread and look at the links throughout the thing. Its becoming quite a good collection of links by now. --- The Disclosure Project
Celeste Coeval The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2007.09.04 11:39:00 - [156] Edited by: Celeste Coeval on 04/09/2007 11:41:24 I'm sorry is this the disclosure project with the garbage about the guy from Venus (a planet that would be impossible to support life)? The modern thinking of aliens is for me a little too far fetched. Truth is always stranger than fiction and most ufo/alien stories i hear/see aren't strange enough imo. I'm more amazed by slime moulds or the evolution of an orchid praying mantis. Like I have stated before, aliens are inevitably part of the universe. But the american crock about aliens pollutes serious discussion about them. I see no reason why america would be the only country in the world that would be covering this stuff up. I mean to properly keep this under wraps you require co-operation from all governments in the world. Hmmmm I don't recall ALL the governments in the world ever coming together over anything EVER! So why would they collude in secret about aliens to hide their knowledge from us? I do not discount the sightings. A cover up of alien life is actually impossible as the governements involved in said cover up would have to be able to exert control over said aliens which is an impossibility as they would have the upper hand technologically, and a byproduct of the tech, socialogically and philisophically too. Consipracy theories fall down when you assess whom they benefit and whom they hinder. If all parties concerned with said consipracy theory are not included, then their isnt a theory. Like the "man never landed on the moon theory". No one ever brings up the russians when forwarding that conspiracy theory. The point that the russians had more to gain by disproving the US had landed on the moon than the US had to gain by proving it to its own population, seems to fly out of conspiracy theorists minds. Russia not only confirms the US's landing on the moon, but did so at a time when it desperatley needed a propaganda boost. /me sighs (semi rant of overly complex issue over) "If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor." -Albert Einstein
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2007.09.04 11:47:00 - [157] Blink of an eye, that how long we'll exist for, the math just doesn't support alien visitations. Out of all the planets that can sustain life would they have sentient life at this very point in time and would these be capable of travelling great distances in a short period of time? Sure there might be many species out there at this point, sentient and reasonably evolved but if they're just about our level we won't ever meet them. Also Known As
Celeste Coeval The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2007.09.04 11:53:00 - [158] Edited by: Celeste Coeval on 04/09/2007 11:53:30 Edited by: Celeste Coeval on 04/09/2007 11:52:58 Originally by: Danton Marcellus Blink of an eye, that how long we'll exist for, the math just doesn't support alien visitations. Out of all the planets that can sustain life would they have sentient life at this very point in time and would these be capable of travelling great distances in a short period of time? Sure there might be many species out there at this point, sentient and reasonably evolved but if they're just about our level we won't ever meet them. So you don't believe any race is capable of forseeing it's planets doom and building a world ship(last stage arcology)? Who says the distance traveled has to be a small space of time "If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor." -Albert Einstein
Dred 'Morte Winds of Dawn Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.04 11:59:00 - [159] I'll watch this as soon as I have time.
Darwinia Minmatar	Posted - 2007.09.04 12:51:00 - [160] So, that Disclosure Project was 6 years ago.. anything ever came out of it? As for all the naysayers out there.. The universe might be very big, but who is to say that with the right technology distance is even a consideration.. for all we know you can have breakfast on Sirius and lunch in Andromeda in the same day. The only real argument I can bring against the why would aliens be here at this time is, why the hell would they be interested in a technologicaly less developed agressive civilisation that is likely to self distruct by destroying our own planet. (by pollution or bombs, doesn't matter, really) ------------------------ I don't believe in sigs.
Cornucopian Gallente Dutch Omega United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.04 12:57:00 - [161] Originally by: Celeste Coeval Edited by: Celeste Coeval on 04/09/2007 11:41:24 I'm sorry is this the disclosure project with the garbage about the guy from Venus (a planet that would be impossible to support life)? The modern thinking of aliens is for me a little too far fetched. Truth is always stranger than fiction and most ufo/alien stories i hear/see aren't strange enough imo. I'm more amazed by slime moulds or the evolution of an orchid praying mantis. Like I have stated before, aliens are inevitably part of the universe. But the american crock about aliens pollutes serious discussion about them. I see no reason why america would be the only country in the world that would be covering this stuff up. I mean to properly keep this under wraps you require co-operation from all governments in the world. Hmmmm I don't recall ALL the governments in the world ever coming together over anything EVER! So why would they collude in secret about aliens to hide their knowledge from us? I do not discount the sightings. A cover up of alien life is actually impossible as the governements involved in said cover up would have to be able to exert control over said aliens which is an impossibility as they would have the upper hand technologically, and a byproduct of the tech, socialogically and philisophically too. Consipracy theories fall down when you assess whom they benefit and whom they hinder. If all parties concerned with said consipracy theory are not included, then their isnt a theory. Like the "man never landed on the moon theory". No one ever brings up the russians when forwarding that conspiracy theory. The point that the russians had more to gain by disproving the US had landed on the moon than the US had to gain by proving it to its own population, seems to fly out of conspiracy theorists minds. Russia not only confirms the US's landing on the moon, but did so at a time when it desperatley needed a propaganda boost. /me sighs (semi rant of overly complex issue over) you know..... I'd never thought I'd say this.... but I...actually..... AGREE with you. I'm still flaming you next time we meet though ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer." Originally by: Royaldo complete win by Cornucopian!
Celeste Coeval The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2007.09.04 13:48:00 - [162] fine by me "If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor." -Albert Einstein
Sharupak Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.09.04 14:11:00 - [163] Edited by: Sharupak on 04/09/2007 14:11:47 Originally by: Danton Marcellus Blink of an eye, that how long we'll exist for, the math just doesn't support alien visitations. Out of all the planets that can sustain life would they have sentient life at this very point in time and would these be capable of travelling great distances in a short period of time? Sure there might be many species out there at this point, sentient and reasonably evolved but if they're just about our level we won't ever meet them. It would seem that what you are saying would shatter any other logical conclusion based off of what we know. But what science knows about the Universe is infintesimally small. They get it wrong 99% of the time. This is because with our limited tools and the perspective of the physics of the environment that we live in (Earth) it is extremely difficult to imagine the impossible. For example, when the viking missions went to mars, the air was let out of the balloon because it was discovered that Martian atmosphere was mostly C02. Scientist concluded right there that there was no way life could live in that environment because there was insufficient oxygen levels in the atmosphere. So far, they are still correct but not for that reason. There are organisms living near volcanic vents breathing boiling water that is highly toxic/acidic to humans and all land animals. Why would it be impossible or improbable that an organism can sustain life on a planet like mars? Or even harsher planets or moons for that matter. I said that to say this. It is sooooooo important that we are very liberal with the scientific method when it comes to this subject because the way we view the universe right now is something like trying to figure out what show you are watching on a muted television set with your face smashed up against it. We see lights and colors....the toenail of a elephant. We see things, but really cannot determine if they are an effect of something else or the real deal. We dont have the big picture. You cant deduce something correctly with Hakims Razor because you have to know all elements and variables of an event to figure out what the simplest explanation is. Therefore, our own solarsystem could be absolutely TEAMING with life, but we dont know how to look for it. _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.
Celeste Coeval The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2007.09.04 14:41:00 - [164] Edited by: Celeste Coeval on 04/09/2007 14:42:57 Yes life could feasably be found on Europa (one of Jupiters moons) it has no atmosphere but thick ice as a second crust that is craked (filtered?) from heat below. The heat is generated due to Jupiters influence upon the moon, causing the moon to be volcanically active. There is a high possibility that there is an ocean below that ice. Mars is different imo. It has limited geological activity on the vulcanology front. Most of the geological energy was expelled from Mars early in its development hence the giant trech on one side where the planet split and the giant volcanoes on the opposite side of the planet that caused the planets instability. This means Mars also has little in the means of an electromagnetic field that is essential for more complex life beyond basic building blocks. There could be micro organisms underground on Mars but it is unlikely, nt impossible though. Europa is our best bet. "If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor." -Albert Einstein
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.09.04 16:15:00 - [165] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 04/09/2007 16:31:18 Originally by: Darwinia So, that Disclosure Project was 6 years ago.. anything ever came out of it? The intention of their press conference was persuading the United States Congress into holdings hearings on the existence of UFOs and extraterrestrials. But the U.S. government has a policy of denial towards the statements presented in the Disclosure Project. Because congress has not yet allowed for such a hearing, Alfred Webre, the International Director of the Institute for Cooperation in Space, and Stephen Bassett, founder of Paradigm Clock, have suggested creating a Citizen Hearing for the testimony of witnesses to be heard publicly outside of the United States Congress. (this is all from the wikipedia entry about the guy in charge of it). The wiki also says this: On February 11, 2007 in Los Angeles, Greer announced that he was working with a G7 country on disclosing information to the public about extraterrestrials.[31] Quote: There is a major country in the world - G7 Country - that has decided to do this with us and has invited us to become the primary contactee to precipitate an event with these extraterrestrial vehicles with the full support of their air force, space command, everything, land and meet the leadership of this country with us facilitating this so that this can than be proximally disclosed to the world, and thats what we are doing eminent - what we are working on eminently. So apparently he is trying to get the rest of the world to listen to the statements since the US government is not interested in it. Its also quite interesting that he on May 9, 2006 in Toronto, said that SETI had made contact with extraterrestrials, and that the signals were being jammed by either the NSA or NRO: Quote: We have confirmation - and I'm not going to give the name yet because we are trying to coax this guy out of the closet - but one of the senior most people in the SETI project, which is the Carl Sagan Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence Effort, has confirmed to the Disclosure Project, this is one of the senior most people, that they have received multiple extraterrestrial signals ... but that now they are getting external human, probably NRO (National Reconnaissance Office) or NSA jamming of those signals and they are getting very frustrated. The question is why hasn't the SETI project, funded by Paul Allen who's the co-founder of Microsoft, come forward with this information? I'm a little uncomfortable even mentioning this, except for the fact that the public needs to know that this effort, which has received a great deal of mainstream media attention, has actually confirmed to us from two inside sources that they have received extraterrestrial signals and have confirmed them as being extraterrestrial and that they have become increasing in frequency. SETI later went out saying that no such event ever happened. --- The Disclosure Project \| My UFO Thread (read it!)
Celeste Coeval The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2007.09.04 17:26:00 - [166] How can a government agency jam signals of extra terrestrial origin precisley? "If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor." -Albert Einstein
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.09.04 17:30:00 - [167] Originally by: Celeste Coeval How can a government agency jam signals of extra terrestrial origin precisley? I would think like any other radio signal, but im no expert. There is a entry on radio jamming here on wikipedia. --- The Disclosure Project \| My UFO Thread (read it!)
Sharupak Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.09.04 17:47:00 - [168] Originally by: Celeste Coeval How can a government agency jam signals of extra terrestrial origin precisley? How would they know what to jam? I doubt any advanced civilization is using RF for communications. It's too slow. ETs would be using an entirely different technology to communicate. _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.
Dred 'Morte Winds of Dawn Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.04 17:52:00 - [169] My conclusion after watching all these movies is this: Quote: "why the hell would they be interested in a technologicaly less developed agressive civilisation that is likely to self distruct by destroying our own planet. (by pollution or bombs, doesn't matter, really)" Because they want to help us.
Dred 'Morte Winds of Dawn Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.04 17:54:00 - [170] Originally by: Sharupak Originally by: Celeste Coeval How can a government agency jam signals of extra terrestrial origin precisley? How would they know what to jam? I doubt any advanced civilization is using RF for communications. It's too slow. ETs would be using an entirely different technology to communicate. Nope, they use radio waves too. Their only big technology as far as I understand is zero point energy or whatever you call it. It supplies them with the energy to move faster than light and not suffer from inertia. They bend space or something.
Sharupak Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.09.04 18:05:00 - [171] Originally by: Dred 'Morte Originally by: Sharupak Originally by: Celeste Coeval How can a government agency jam signals of extra terrestrial origin precisley? How would they know what to jam? I doubt any advanced civilization is using RF for communications. It's too slow. ETs would be using an entirely different technology to communicate. Nope, they use radio waves too. Their only big technology as far as I understand is zero point energy or whatever you call it. It supplies them with the energy to move faster than light and not suffer from inertia. They bend space or something. Yes, but they also have telepathy. Why use RF when telepathy doesnt take 7500 light years to report intelligence of earth back to zeta reticuli? _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.09.04 18:06:00 - [172] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 04/09/2007 18:10:29 Originally by: Sharupak Yes, but they also have telepathy. Why use RF when telepathy doesnt take 7500 light years to report intelligence of earth back to zeta reticuli? We suck at telepathy. On a more serious note, it sounded like they found a spot on the sky where there was intense radio communication going on. It wasnt necessarily meant for us. --- The Disclosure Project \| My UFO Thread (read it!)
Sharupak Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.09.04 18:12:00 - [173] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 04/09/2007 18:08:43 Originally by: Sharupak Yes, but they also have telepathy. Why use RF when telepathy doesnt take 7500 light years to report intelligence of earth back to zeta reticuli? We suck at telepathy. On a more serious note, it sounded like they found a spot on the sky where there was intense radio communication going on. It wasnt necessarily meant for us. Radio travels in all directions forever afaik. Sure if that ends up being the truth, the message sender is dead and that world couldve had 9 civilwars and their planet ended by an planet killing asteroid. Regardless, we couldnt send a message back because they arent using radio waves anymore. _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.09.04 18:12:00 - [174] Originally by: Sharupak Sure if that ends up being the truth, the message sender is dead and that world couldve had 9 civilwars and their planet ended by an planet killing asteroid. Regardless, we couldnt send a message back because they arent using radio waves anymore. Yeah, thats one hypothesis. --- The Disclosure Project \| My UFO Thread (read it!)
Sharupak Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.09.04 18:23:00 - [175] The subject of UFOs is political anymore. There is SOOOOO much bull**** that comes with the truth. You have to think very critically on both sides. I would go so far as to say there are aliens visiting us, but they dont fly flying saucers. _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.
Dred 'Morte Winds of Dawn Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.04 18:52:00 - [176] I'm convinced they doo. I also believe that they are doing crop circles and thse have meaning, I specially liked that one with the binary code that translated to a messege, the mayan calendar and the one with information about their species. The only thing I haven't seen so far is the photos/videos of ETs. I don't know why but I find their faces extremely disturbing, more shocking than looking at the insides of someone during a cirugery. I wonder if it's a child trauma
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.09.04 19:25:00 - [177] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 04/09/2007 19:27:51 Originally by: Dred 'Morte I'm convinced they doo. I also believe that they are doing crop circles and thse have meaning, I specially liked that one with the binary code that translated to a messege, the mayan calendar and the one with information about their species. The one who really gave me the chills was this one. It was made back in 2002 and if you look at the hoaxes available at that time, or even today, they are still at the level of making round circles. There are not even close to this complexity. The dots inside the circular imprint can be read along a spiral that runs from the inside towards the outer edge of the disc (exactly the way a compact disc works), and is deciphered in a straightforward manner by simply applying the 8 bit binary codes that describe the international ASCII character set as used in computers. The message contained is: "Beware the bearers of FALSE gifts & their BROKEN PROMISES. Much PAIN but still time. EELRIJUE. There is GOOD out there. We OPpose DECEPTION. Conduit CLOSING [bell sound]" It really gives me the chills. --- The Disclosure Project \| My UFO Thread (read it!)
Blacksilk Caldari Absolutely No Return	Posted - 2007.09.04 21:16:00 - [178] Some folks might like to listen to this - the link has several different programmes, I am referring to Dark Mission:Hoagland. Each unit is approx 10 mins long, and has some interesting details about NASA missions past and present. http://tinyurl.com/yq9w73
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.09.04 21:28:00 - [179] Originally by: Blacksilk Some folks might like to listen to this - the link has several different programmes, I am referring to Dark Mission:Hoagland. Each unit is approx 10 mins long, and has some interesting details about NASA missions past and present. http://tinyurl.com/yq9w73 I'm sorry, started to listen, but they were talking about Tesla being from another planet, the face on Mars (just a mountain)... Honestly, how can any of you take this crap seriously? Don't get me wrong, it's cool to think about it, but that's fantasy, not reality... My Infinity Ship Designs: T-Y9, Hauler
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.09.04 21:35:00 - [180] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 04/09/2007 21:45:59 Originally by: DarkMatter Honestly, how can any of you take this crap seriously? If you were looking at this phenomenon with aliens for the first time, what would you think? You would be curious, right? But ever since 1947, the existence of other civilizations have been ridiculed by the mainstream media. Do you think this is an accident? That you think the way you do because of some natural law? No. You have learned it. If you just look at it with an open mind, its very interesting. It really is. Im not saying that everything makes sense, but some things do. I actually dont understand how anyone can NOT find it interesting. We may not be alone in the universe. There may be a large number of other species out there. We may look like complete morons, thinking we are alone with thousands of alien ships in the sky above us. --- The Disclosure Project \| My UFO Thread (read it!)

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