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Amarria Black
Clan Anthraxx
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Posted - 2007.09.14 08:38:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Amarria Black Occam's Razor, Occam's Razor, Occam's Razor. Why haven't the happy spacefaring aliens revealed themselves to the public at-large? Or why haven't the evil spacefaring aliens shown up and randomly started shooting things? They're not there.
Well, judging from cave paintings, statues and so on, they have done so a number of times in our history. And as for evil spacefaring aliens shooting stuff...why would they want to kill a civilization? It makes no sense at all.
Again, why not??? Because their holy book says so. Because carbon based life forms are considered unclean. Because our very attempt at measuring space collapses enough eigenstates to threaten their very existence. Because they don't even realize they're doing it.
So far, you've extrapolated the behavior of multiple races of beings we still can't say even exist in the first place, and doing so based upon observations of human sociology. You can't assume anything about a xenobiological creature.
Again, Occam's Razor. What's the simplest reason why spacefaring intelligent extraterrestrial creatures would not contact the human race at-large?
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.09.14 08:41:00 -
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Originally by: Pesadel0
Point taken but wouldnŠt a race like ours would be a bit off a thread to them then?Why should they give us the edge we need to become more powerful then them ?
If we take the things that happen in nature ,like predadors and preys wouldnŠt they had to go to war or defend themselfs against another race that wants to conquer them or plunder their resources?
They arent giving us anything that would remotely threaten them. They are probably just giving technology that is old junk to them, but high tech for us.
And yes, there have been wars in the universe. You should really read that exopolitics document, its quite fun. :)
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.09.14 08:43:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 14/09/2007 08:44:20
Originally by: Amarria Black
Again, why not???
Why they dont kill us? Because they have a use for us at the moment. They are abducting people for experiments. And I think that in order to just kill for fun, you need to be very aggressive. Its like setting fire to a cat for example. You have no reason to, but you feel its fun to see the cat burn. They arent like that according to the sources.
I think they respect life. I know its a foreign concept to us, but...
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Amarria Black
Clan Anthraxx
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Posted - 2007.09.14 10:26:00 -
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Jim, you ducked my question. What's the simplest reason why spacefaring intelligent extraterrestrial creatures would not contact the human race at-large?
And as to your comment that they're credible sources: they're making up societies between creatures they can't even prove exist in the first place. That ruins their credibility right there as anything other than a science fiction writer.
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cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN
mUfFiN fAcToRy
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Posted - 2007.09.14 10:36:00 -
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Originally by: Lord MuffloN No, but i deffo belive there is other intelligent life.
what has a mind of its own and lives in us guys pants?
intelligent life
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.09.14 10:38:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 14/09/2007 10:41:39
Originally by: Amarria Black Jim, you ducked my question. What's the simplest reason why spacefaring intelligent extraterrestrial creatures would not contact the human race at-large?
Post 351 and so on... doesnt that answer that question?
Originally by: Amarria Black
And as to your comment that they're credible sources: they're making up societies between creatures they can't even prove exist in the first place. That ruins their credibility right there as anything other than a science fiction writer.
The document is based on what credible whistleblowers within the military have said. They are not likely to make it up in my opinion, but im not going to force my opinion on you. If you think its just made up, ok. :)
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Amarria Black
Clan Anthraxx
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Posted - 2007.09.14 10:57:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Post 351 and so on... doesnt that answer that question?
No, because you didn't answer the question posed. What is the simplest reason?
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Rudy Metallo
The Bastards
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Posted - 2007.09.14 11:00:00 -
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Will Smith will save us, with the help of his nerdy Jewish friend. Say what? |
Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.09.14 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: Amarria Black
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Post 351 and so on... doesnt that answer that question?
No, because you didn't answer the question posed. What is the simplest reason?
That they dont exist?
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Amarria Black
Clan Anthraxx
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Posted - 2007.09.14 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor That they dont exist?
Precisely. And applying Occam's Razor, the simplest answer is the most statistically likely to be correct. Thusly, the reason that everyone and their second cousin doesn't detect aliens flitting about their near universe is that more than likely, they ain't there.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.09.14 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: Amarria Black
Originally by: Jim McGregor That they dont exist?
Precisely. And applying Occam's Razor, the simplest answer is the most statistically likely to be correct. Thusly, the reason that everyone and their second cousin doesn't detect aliens flitting about their near universe is that more than likely, they ain't there.
Ok. Thats your opinion, and thats fine. :)
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Amarria Black
Clan Anthraxx
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Posted - 2007.09.14 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Ok. Thats your opinion, and thats fine. :)
No, it's not my opinion, it's the most statistically likely scenario. My opinion is that there is probably intelligent life elsewhere in the universe, quite possibly in our timeframe, but that there's no spacefaring intelligent life in our observable vicinity. Or that if there is, it's hiding very well, and if it has any clue what humans represent, it's waiting to sterilize Terra as soon as we get any sort of meaningful interstellar travel. ^_^
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.09.14 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Amarria Black
No, it's not my opinion, it's the most statistically likely scenario. My opinion is that there is probably intelligent life elsewhere in the universe, quite possibly in our timeframe, but that there's no spacefaring intelligent life in our observable vicinity.
I think you need to get glasses. :)
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Mary Makepeace
Caldari Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.09.14 11:42:00 -
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I am very much of the view that the speed of light can't be broken. All the evidence points in that direction. all of the explanations i have have ever heard of wormholes or folding space are very weak as the require amounts of energy or matter that is simply improbable to use (stellar masses) let alone the idea of a structure surviving the gravitational stresses and relativistic time effects.
Our description of the reason why light speed can't be exceeded may be inaccurate (like newtons theory of gravity) but in a crude sense it will hold (like newtons theory of gravity)
So if you go with assumption, it implies that even if there were aliens in out of space, we would see their light (or radio) before we would ever see them.
I also know that people lie, hallucinate and falsely report their observations.
Also as an aside, if you cannot repeat reliably and alien interaction then whats the point? it is of no use to any one except a salesman who has a book to sell.
Although I do believe that it is likley that life evolved elsewhere in the universe.
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Atreides Horza
toxicology
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Posted - 2007.09.14 11:47:00 -
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Some dood once rightly said that the most convincing evidence of extra-terrestrial intelligence is that they're staying the ph*ck away from Earth.
Couldn't agree more...
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.09.14 11:57:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 14/09/2007 12:03:00
Originally by: Mary Makepeace I am very much of the view that the speed of light can't be broken. All the evidence points in that direction.
And in 1920 or so, this was said for breaking the sound barrier as well. It was impossible. Nothing could travel faster than sound.
Im pretty sure they even had some fancy formulas for saying so.
And I dont believe aliens travel faster than light. I believe there are ways of travelling the universe that we dont understand with our current knowledge. I dont think they go from A to B in a linear fashion like we think of it.
If they can manipulate time, whats stopping them from going from A to B almost instantaneous? I think the solution lies in that rather than linear travelling with a specific speed.
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Mary Makepeace
Caldari Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.09.14 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
And in 1920 or so, this was said for breaking the sound barrier as well. It was impossible. Nothing could travel faster than sound.
Im pretty sure they even had some fancy formulas for saying so.
however there was clear evidence that something did go faster than sound, light. atm there is no such evidence regarding light.
Originally by: Jim McGregor
And I dont believe aliens travel faster than light. I believe there are ways of travelling the universe that we dont understand with our current knowledge. I dont think they go from A to B in a linear fashion like we think of it.
throwing your hands up and saying "it's beyond our knowledge" is weak. any hypothesis should have a basis in our current understanding and context or else all possibilities are true. like i am writing this from an alternative universe where i am a talking cabbage mind controlled by kittens.
Originally by: Jim McGregor
If they can manipulate time, whats stopping them from going from A to B almost instantaneous? I think the solution lies in that rather than linear traveling with a specific speed.
if they can manipulate time nothing matters. with traveling there need be no time between items. atm space time is the problem, if it is separated by space it is also separated by time (specifically the time it takes for light to travel between the locations).
also if they are outside time then they don't think, they most definitely don't care either. as the process of thinking is time dependent, and to care you must have expectations of the future.
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Indra Sebuchiore
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.09.14 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Mary Makepeace I am very much of the view that the speed of light can't be broken. All the evidence points in that direction.
And in 1920 or so, this was said for breaking the sound barrier as well. It was impossible. Nothing could travel faster than sound.
Im pretty sure they even had some fancy formulas for saying so.
I'm sorry, but that's a flat-out lie. I like you, Jim, despite your need to believe against all evidence, but I really think you need to go learn a little hard science (you admitted yourself in another thread you know next to nothing about astronomy) before you start discussing issues such as the Fermi Paradox and exobiology.
The universe really is interesting enough without having to invent crazy space aliens gang-probing rednecks as well. __________________________________________ "In girum imus nocte, et consumimur igni."
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Alias11
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.09.14 12:30:00 -
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Edited by: Alias11 on 14/09/2007 12:35:31
Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 14/09/2007 12:03:00
Originally by: Mary Makepeace I am very much of the view that the speed of light can't be broken. All the evidence points in that direction.
And in 1920 or so, this was said for breaking the sound barrier as well. It was impossible. Nothing could travel faster than sound.
Flat-Out Wrong. They knew you could travel faster than sound, they just didn't know how to do it without the shockwave tearing whatever was doing it apart.
Jim, you're going to have to start analyzing the side that says there aren't aliens. Right now you're dismissing evidence against you with "Well, that's your opinion" and then going on preaching your evidence, and that's logically dishonest. If you want to go ahead and say that you have no good proof for aliens and are basing your thinking on faith, then go ahead, I'll back out. But don't try to bring your own evidence without confronting the other guys.
Personally, if aliens were here, there would be absolutely no evidence of it. The kind of intelligence needed to pick our little blue dot out of a sea of trillions would almost certainly have better cloaking technology than has been exhibited
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.09.14 13:32:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 14/09/2007 13:36:43
Originally by: Alias11
Jim, you're going to have to start analyzing the side that says there aren't aliens. Right now you're dismissing evidence against you with "Well, that's your opinion" and then going on preaching your evidence, and that's logically dishonest. If you want to go ahead and say that you have no good proof for aliens and are basing your thinking on faith, then go ahead, I'll back out. But don't try to bring your own evidence without confronting the other guys.
This thread is not about me trying to proof there are aliens. Thats impossible for me to do. I think they exist, and thats good enough for me. If you want to believe differently, you can, even though I think you are wrong. Just like you think I am wrong because the math says so.
The reason I say "thats your opinion" is because it is. I have a different one. How can anyone proof there are aliens? Science says there is little chance of aliens being here, yet we see the signs in the sky and in our history that can be nothing but aliens (in my opinion, of course).
Sure, I would like to convince people there are aliens, because I believe it myself, but I will never be able to proof it to anyone. Just because I cant proof they exist does not mean they dont exist. If you see a car on a highway 2 km away and someone asks you to proof its there, how will you do it?
Oh, and about the 1920 date, I just took a number out of the air. Lets take the "earth is flat" example instead, I just wanted to use something different. It wasnt a lie, I actually didnt know more about it.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.09.18 13:50:00 -
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Interesting 90 minute video about the most interesting NASA UFO footage, the tether incident.
Just one of the many really good investigations about this.
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Celeste Coeval
The Gosimer and Scarab
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Posted - 2007.09.18 14:00:00 -
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The problem is Jim belief is blind.
"If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor."
-Albert Einstein
A blog of truth (not mine)
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Erotic Irony
0bsession
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Posted - 2007.09.18 14:03:00 -
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jim, since you're making so many film and article reccomendations, let me reccomend one by werner herzog:
incident at loch ness
find it, nao!
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Vid Eeomeet
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Posted - 2007.09.21 23:50:00 -
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I always get a kick out of people saying others can't be seeing UFOs. UFO only means unidentified flying object. If I don't know what the hell it is, it's unidentified. =P I also tend to have a good internal chuckle at astrophysicists and other scientists telling us how it's absolutely impossible for UFOs to be from other star systems due to distance, travel time, etc. Mind you, these are earth scientists..... the same lot that not that many hundred years ago were fairly certain their own planet was flat. I'm pretty sure they also never thought about millions of people in the future talking to one another hundreads of miles apart through small hand held rectangles. If some night you see a star that keeps getting closer, close enough be pretty sure it's not of human design or a star, comet, etc.... you could be evenly certain that whatever made it / pilots it knows more than we do about the various applications of our shared reality. Sometimes I wonder if the objects that we've recorded (that have been varified anyway as unidentified) are piloted by people having a discussion about us humans being sentient. "but they have buildings and whole cities..." ... "Whatever, termites build complex mounds out of earth, Tralgamlax, don't be a fool. Now hurry up and finish your crop circle dance so we can go look for more choice cuts of beef!"
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Dexxel Farcry
Gallente The Valour United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2007.09.22 00:30:00 -
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Yeah I have a hard time trusting everything a sciantist says. One thoery will be rock solid, only to be totally gang raped when it's proven wrong a hundred years later.
Just like the Global Cooling crowd in the 70's. Just like the Flat Earth crowd, just like the "if man could fly he'd have been born with wings" crowd. And just like the Moronic Doctors of years past that had the mantra "if we diagnose a patient with a broken leg, then that is what he'll die of".
Make me wonder what people will think of our stupid asses when the centuries go by. They'll probably talk about how we drugged our children like crazy becuase we just didn't want to deal with them. They'll talk about how we literally set fire to an amazing hydrocarbon you can make things out of, just to power our vehicles. They'll talk about how disgusting it must have been to have coprorate brainwashing at every corner, on every channel, and on every t-shirt. Whatever...
I believe in what the origional poster is eluding too. Not all of it. But I defenitly don't think they are peaceful. They have taken people against thier will.
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Dred 'Morte
Winds of Dawn Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.22 11:37:00 -
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They've taken us away against our own will because their survival depends on it. We humans have done the same over and over again. We have manipulated, harmed and even killed a very large amount of more primitive peoples troughout history.
However, if these conspiricy theories are true, these "evil-ones" are a minority. A great deal of them, being forbidden to make direct contact us, are helping us indirectly, being increasing our awarness. The crop circles, the ones NOT mad by humans, have meanings. They are molecules, physics representations, portraits, mayan calendar, descriptions of themselves, messeges, etc... We just have to look carefully and decipher them.
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Dexxel Farcry
Gallente The Valour United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2007.09.23 04:12:00 -
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Originally by: Dred 'Morte They've taken us away against our own will because their survival depends on it. We humans have done the same over and over again. We have manipulated, harmed and even killed a very large amount of more primitive peoples troughout history.
However, if these conspiricy theories are true, these "evil-ones" are a minority. A great deal of them, being forbidden to make direct contact us, are helping us indirectly, being increasing our awarness. The crop circles, the ones NOT mad by humans, have meanings. They are molecules, physics representations, portraits, mayan calendar, descriptions of themselves, messeges, etc... We just have to look carefully and decipher them.
Could be right. But standing idely by when someone is doing evil things is almost as evil as comitting the act itself.
Have you ever read "The Dulce Papers", if even 5% of what is said in them is true, I would be one very ****ed off little terran.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.10.01 11:32:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 01/10/2007 11:32:43
Roswell incident recalled by local vet who was there 60 years ago:
NC Times article
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Death Kill
Caldari direkte
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Posted - 2007.10.01 11:34:00 -
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Its funny how theres never any proof of these absurd claims....yet people are willing to blindly belive in these lies
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2007.10.01 12:23:00 -
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They stopped by for a barbeque party some time ago and ate all the neanderthals. They then stopped by at the turn of the last century and added sugar in all our food products to fatten us up and will return shortly to feast on us all!
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