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Johnny ReeRee
The ReeRee Brigade
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Posted - 2007.09.05 18:25:00 -
[61]
 Originally by: Roemy Schneider
i guess i'm just trying to beat these self-proclaimed professionals in their own game: money
Dude, I'd say you've already lost, but frankly, you aren't even playing the same game. When it comes to isk in Eve, you aren't a patch on ISS's *****.
Schneider is just another bitter carebear who's been schooled by ISS a few times, and has been stalking them for months and months. Go ahead and blow some money on mercs or market pvp or whatever though. ISS will come out it well ahead of you -- as they always have. They'll beat you in market pvp, as they have been for a long, long time.
Hell, they'll probably end up paying dividends using YOUR money.
You'd be much betting off giving that money to the ReeRee Brigade. We're on the verge of a major market breakthrough, but just need a little seed money to get the momentum rolling. Send us a mere $5 billion isk, and I'll send you an eve-mail with all the details on how we'll make Big Money.
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BANDID
Minmatar
Quam Singulari
M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.09.05 18:32:00 -
[62]
Originally by: KIATolon
Originally by: Vile rat
Contact me in game.
Yup contact vile rat, and he'll contact me, and just like I made bob disappear from goonspace I will make ISS dissapear from their space. You can have back what I dont use.
I do it for the thrills.
Lol u couldnt kill a noob in a rifter !
Hire mercs with the 60b its ure best bet,
Get MC-Infod(nice pew pewers) Bydi-505 - BE and ure pretty much done
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Serilla
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.09.05 18:40:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Sionn Klorgh
Stuff mercs, waste of money.
Get your own pleasure out of your isk but joining one of the said alliances and joining the fight.
Put your isk to good use inside by helping mates and where its best needed.
This
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2007.09.05 18:40:00 -
[64]
yep, i'm a carebear. i even run around with a scimitar or an oneiros on logistics V
and that makes me a low-life.... how?
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Spacer203
Caldari
Iniquity Corp
Blood Raiders Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.05 18:46:00 -
[65]
If you don't want to do any fighting just keep a privteer contract on them that won't cost must and you could hire KIA and BE on to them for a good while for that bit of money
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Marketoon
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Posted - 2007.09.05 19:06:00 -
[66]
Hi,
My name is ... Mustafa. I am an Ex-ISS Navy fleet commander trying to flee the oppression by my evil masters in Esoteria. I need a capital fleet to move my 120 billion (One Hundred and Twenty Billion) isk of materials to safe space. All I need is for you to finance my capital fleet to the tune of 60 billion isk and I will split the final amount with you 50:50. I sincerely hope you can help in this delicate matter.
♥
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Drago Vanguard
Vanguard Corporation
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Posted - 2007.09.05 19:12:00 -
[67]
Edited by: Drago Vanguard on 05/09/2007 19:13:44
With that kind of ISK you could whipe ISS from the map, easy. ISS is fairly small and its existance is entirely reliant on continued profitability. Even a small mercenary force could reduce their profitability to zero.
That said, the best way to go about destroying ISS would be to come up with a complete and integraded strategy combining Empire mercs, 0.0 mercs, and spies. With between 15-20 bil you could hire the best of all three.
Many ISS members run missions and trade in Empire, aside from the usual logistics which are a requirement for any 0.0 entity, and they are all vulnerable to Empire mercs. I am willing to bet that many people would leave ISS if they could not do their Empire carebearing in peace.
Near ISS space, there are a large number of coalition stations which 0.0 mercs could stage out of with minimal diplomatic effort. Even a simple harassment strategy, ala Burn Eden, would weaken ISS to a great extent. As in Empire, there are quite a number of 'carebear' operations which are required to maintain ISS' profitability.
For the third, spies, any group based on greed is entirely too easy to infiltrate. Many Alliances and people already maintain spies in ISS. It would not be difficult to get Coalition Alliances to assist your effort with intelligence-gathering. There are a number of 'mercenary' intelligence services availible, as well.
Shoot me a convo some time and we'll talk. 
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D'ceet
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Posted - 2007.09.05 19:27:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Marketoon
Hi,
My name is ... Mustafa. I am an Ex-ISS Navy fleet commander trying to flee the oppression by my evil masters in Esoteria. I need a capital fleet to move my 120 billion (One Hundred and Twenty Billion) isk of materials to safe space. All I need is for you to finance my capital fleet to the tune of 60 billion isk and I will split the final amount with you 50:50. I sincerely hope you can help in this delicate matter.
♥
no profit ftw 
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Gutsani
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.09.05 19:27:00 -
[69]
i still think the best idea would be to "bribe some people" to recreate priory. at least it would be a fun idea <_< rather then "hire mercs", fun is over in 2 weeks. or give it to the coalition, bye isk.
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Ethan Hawk
Cataclysm Enterprises
Kraftwerk.
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Posted - 2007.09.05 19:35:00 -
[70]
Hey m8
My suggesst:
Take a covert, go to ISS Homesystems, enjoy the show.
Our price is at 2 bucks for a seat per night
cheers Ethan
Sorry Biggi couldn't resist
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D'ceet
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Posted - 2007.09.05 19:36:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Gutsani
i still think the best idea would be to "bribe some people" to recreate priory. at least it would be a fun idea <_< rather then "hire mercs", fun is over in 2 weeks. or give it to the coalition, bye isk.
two weeks of fun is still fun, but ya i wouldnt hire mercs with it. fund your allies or something or give it to....nevermind
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Ryan 3c051
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.09.05 20:41:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Gutsani
i still think the best idea would be to "bribe some people" to recreate priory.
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2007.09.06 02:35:00 -
[73]
so... is there a sticky-like collection of hireable corps?
i'm not into CAOD much (just enough to check where the big factions rumble), so i don't know all the 'mentionable' buggers
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Annerinas
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Posted - 2007.09.06 02:37:00 -
[74]
Crime and Punishment forum is where to find mercs.
I definitely think you should offer to pay for empire wardecs for any non-sham alliance that wants it. May not hurt ISS much but at least they risk getting ganked when hitting empire for skillbooks.
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Keena Tong
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.09.06 10:15:00 -
[75]
talk to the kraftwork ppl.. they put some iss towers into rf and are fightin them..
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Swedish Bob
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.09.06 10:39:00 -
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I don't have an over all solution for you but if you give me 3B isk I'll buy a Dread, skills and fit with it. Then every time we siege an ISS POS/outpost I'll say "This one is from Roemy Schneider" in local. I'm sure we will kill them at some point if they don't completely fall apart before we get there.
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Montaire
Lacedaemon.
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.09.06 11:10:00 -
[77]
Roemy,
Convo me in game. Kixkahn or Montaire, I can give you the info you need.
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Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution
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Posted - 2007.09.06 11:13:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Drago Vanguard
Edited by: Drago Vanguard on 05/09/2007 19:18:50
With that kind of ISK you could whipe ISS from the map, easy. ISS is fairly small and its existance is entirely reliant on continued profitability. Even a small mercenary force could reduce their profitability to zero. It should be possible to do this for far less than 60bil.
That said, the best way to go about destroying ISS would be to come up with a complete and integraded strategy combining Empire mercs, 0.0 mercs, and spies. With between 15-20 bil you could hire the best of all three.
Many ISS members run missions and trade in Empire, aside from the usual logistics which are a requirement for any 0.0 entity, and they are all vulnerable to Empire mercs. I am willing to bet that many people would leave ISS if they could not do their Empire carebearing in peace.
Near ISS space, there are a large number of coalition stations which 0.0 mercs could stage out of with minimal diplomatic effort. Even a simple harassment strategy, ala Burn Eden, would weaken ISS to a great extent. As in Empire, there are quite a number of 'carebear' operations which are required to maintain ISS' profitability.
For the third, spies, any group based on greed is entirely too easy to infiltrate. Many Alliances and people already maintain spies in ISS. It would not be difficult to get Coalition Alliances to assist your effort with intelligence-gathering. There are a number of 'mercenary' intelligence services availible, as well.
This is the most well thought out solution I've read yet. The only flaw in this plan is that it relies on significance of member corporations for the ISSO. The team size required to generate a profit for ISSO shareholders is going to be very small and NOT reliant on the number of people in the alliance.
However, Executing the vision of the ISS (whatever that is today) does rely heavily on the ISS member corporations.
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Esk Esme
Caldari
High4Life
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Posted - 2007.09.06 12:12:00 -
[79]
Edited by: Esk Esme on 06/09/2007 12:15:11
join 1 of the coalition get into FEy on the front line
then u can asses the situation for your self and use your isk to whatever u feel b best way to hlp kill your target
y hire other's when u can ahve the fun 1st hand and probly save most your isk
instead of a mother ship y not 10 disposable dreads and 10 disposable carrier's or even 20-30 BS for the front line
but hope u r there to see were your isk has gone and enjoy the battle's 1st hand
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Hatuk
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.09.06 12:26:00 -
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lol cant believe so many people take OP serious.. 
but ok, lets pretend for short time he is ...
roemy, if you want to kill ISS then forget mercs and sh*t... they will take your ISK and do nothing. also, use brains and forget about aliances like fallen souls and mpire. not cos they suck, but cos they fight on SAME side with ISS. you really think they will start attacking ISS all of a sudden only cos you gave them ISK? lol
bob would crush them in no time for that... or they wouldnt and demand a big part of the ISK. then there would be some fake fights, fake killmails and forum drama. in the end you will be with no ISK and ISS will still stand.
so your only way is to join a aliance that is fighting against bobitses and ISS..
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Hyakuchan
Hyakucorp
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Posted - 2007.09.06 12:53:00 -
[81]
Edited by: Hyakuchan on 06/09/2007 12:56:20
Originally by: Roemy Schneider
i have 60bil - what would be the best way to put it to work? just give it to IAC/-A-? make some other alliance(s) declare war?
I'm going to assume you're serious about this one.
No, don't give it to IAC/-A-. Use it to start a corp of maybe 20 or so really good PvP players, who take the game seriously and enjoy team operation.
Put together a proper fleet, get a mothership and a few dreads, and join IAC as a PVP kill-corp. Every alliance needs more of them.
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NSA DAKILLA
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.09.06 13:17:00 -
[82]
u must 1st buy me one of the 2 super capitals ... i have my own cyno alts spies and covert pilots and i can drop on them daily and DD some of ISS mining gangs pvp whatever u buy me the titan or a MOM and i'l do the work for ya....
it's super easy
and plus i work only alone so no IAC-A-bob(MC) whatever other noobs
so do it already :)
Politics and smack are 4 the weak
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2007.09.06 15:16:00 -
[83]
okay... again - i'll be off college in 1 month's time. i'm not sure if i'll be able to play eve for another (full) month after that.
and, frankly, with devs giving t2 bpos to themselves, balancing mining upgrades with a cpu rig that doesn't exist, come up with macro-mining-supporting ideas to nerf compression without actually stopping it or bring the oneiros "in line" without considering powergrid and med slots, i don't intend to put pressure on my future ISP so i can play eve asap - buuut that's another story -.-
look, why would i social-hack my way through a giving-60-bil-scam?
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Bein Glorious
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.09.06 17:13:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Roemy Schneider
okay... again - i'll be off college in 1 month's time. i'm not sure if i'll be able to play eve for another (full) month after that.
and, frankly, with devs giving t2 bpos to themselves, balancing mining upgrades with a cpu rig that doesn't exist, come up with macro-mining-supporting ideas to nerf compression without actually stopping it or bring the oneiros "in line" without considering powergrid and med slots, i don't intend to put pressure on my future ISP so i can play eve asap - buuut that's another story -.-
look, why would i social-hack my way through a giving-60-bil-scam?
well you keep saying that you have 60b ISK to give away to anyone who would want to give ISS trouble and you've got a bunch of people in this thread to give it to and so far you haven't given any of it to anyone
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Empyre
Domestic Reform
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Posted - 2007.09.06 17:29:00 -
[85]
give your money to goons.. that's a proven and trusted solution. /sarcasm_off
i'll just grab some popcorn and wait for the outcome. it's sure to be documented here and all over any social site that you can rate your own material on.
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Kibbsmelter
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Posted - 2007.09.06 20:16:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Scius
Originally by: Roemy Schneider
those self righteous idiots can't run a 290bil IPO without a single scandal every month. alas, shareholders have little power beyond listing those failures after every propganda news post of theirs.
i have 60bil - what would be the best way to put it to work? just give it to IAC/-A-? make some other alliance(s) declare war?
no, you can't just have my money -.-
I will fly dreadnoughts at them 30 times.
He wins.
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Galimiy Portret
R.u.S.H.
Red Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.06 20:29:00 -
[87]
Toss 1b my way, Ill buy a dread and use it against ISS & Co.
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Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution
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Posted - 2007.09.06 21:56:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Roemy Schneider
okay... again - i'll be off college in 1 month's time. i'm not sure if i'll be able to play eve for another (full) month after that.
and, frankly, with devs giving t2 bpos to themselves, balancing mining upgrades with a cpu rig that doesn't exist, come up with macro-mining-supporting ideas to nerf compression without actually stopping it or bring the oneiros "in line" without considering powergrid and med slots, i don't intend to put pressure on my future ISP so i can play eve asap - buuut that's another story -.-
Hmm .. guess you're better off putting the 60bn isk into 12 months GTC, set Titan V training and deposit the 60bn into an investment fund ... like erm .. ISSO. Then when you get back you'll have 90+Bn isk.
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Drago Vanguard
Vanguard Corporation
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Posted - 2007.09.06 22:20:00 -
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To be honest, donating your money to a major Alliance on the off chance that they might use it to fight against ISS would be moronic, although I'm sure you're well aware of that.
Mercenaries are your best bet, they provide a service for ISK, and if they don't provide the service they don't get paid. If you 'donate' money to someone, they'll likely say "thanks, now **** off."
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Imperius Blackheart
Caldari
Trinity Nova
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.06 22:26:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Roemy Schneider
so... is there a sticky-like collection of hireable corps?
i'm not into CAOD much (just enough to check where the big factions rumble), so i don't know all the 'mentionable' buggers
Whilst trying to be unbias as possible, I don't speak for KIA or do contract negotiations, but I figured i'd answer the question.
There used to be one in crime and punishment, I just took a quick look it appears to have lost its sticky you may however be able to dig it out.
The two larger merc forces in the game MC and KIA Alliance. MC are great at large capital fleet warfare, fighting your wars for you end to end, but are diplomaticly tied to BoB and co, ISS is I believe a BoB renter. I cannot talk for MC, but I don't know if its a contract they would consider but its worth approching them. However they are a little tied up in the McFIX / IAAAC war atm
KIA, we have a smaller capital fleet, and specialise in harrasment, demoalisation and making large areas of space uninhabitable for people for periods of time, great support for another hiring fleet or generally making life unpleasent for people and ruining peoples day to day operations and causing mass disruption, but not really going to take ISS space single handed. However if you wanted a Empire war we haven't had one in a while ;) we have no major political ties or loyaltys, if your isks good you can hire us.
Burn Eden were also mentioned, they are a lot smaller than the above two but are very effective at what they do, they are currently tied up attacking Ka Tet over a hundred million bet they misplaced (lolz)... But they generally do cloaking raven gangs causing pain to people in small groups.
There are a number of smaller merc corps/alliances especially who have poked their head up recently.
Two that spring to mind are Mercenary Services and Coalition of Buccaneers, however I really don't know much about them or their track record.
My advice is if your looking for serious, effective larger scale merc operations to contract the first 3 (KIAeddz for KIA alliance contact, i'm unsure for MC and BE, he's in iceland atm so don't expect a instant response).
And just some general advice, when contacting mercs try to have some goal and contract objectives in mind that you expect in return for your isk, it manages your expectations better and enables them to serve you better.
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