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Tearavygh Quillam Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.01 12:19:00 - [271] Originally by: Velios Why don't you just do it now? BoB have zero impact on what is goig on in the north-east, they are nowhere near that area, and likewise you guys are not really taking any sort of pro-active measures to attack these enemies either. All in due time. We've already took some measures when you decided to take a trip South to help MC. Originally by: Velios It's all a front, you all put BoB out there as the excuse for why you need to napitup. In reality, you could reset standings at any time, but you just don't want to because thats outside your comfort zone. Reset standings to whom, our friends, MM/Pure/MH? Everyone needs friends and you've seen very lately, when you had so few around.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.10.01 12:27:00 - [272] Originally by: Velios Edited by: Velios on 01/10/2007 12:14:10 Why don't you just do it now? BoB have zero impact on what is going on in the north-east, they are nowhere near that area, and likewise you guys are not really taking any sort of pro-active measures to attack your so-called enemies either. It's all a front, you all put BoB out there as the excuse for why you need to huddle together. In reality, you could reset standings at any time, but you just don't want to because thats outside your comfort zone. If things don't go the way you think they are going to go, god help you when the pendulum swings in your direction. BoB never retracted the statement about wanting to conquer all of Eve, from that perspective one could consider it unwise to let the Southern Coalition to fight BoB alone. For all people know, MC could be planning their next trip up north as we speak... ------------------------------------------------ New idea for sovereignty: Sovereignty revisited
Yuto Kang Asgard Schiffswerften Ev0ke	Posted - 2007.10.01 12:33:00 - [273] Originally by: HeadHunta II Just a few words to some comments here: Of course COW alone cant hold V7- vs. so many enemys alone, so its logical and a honest decision to surrender. Instead of trying to blame COW with things like "...without your friends you would have lost V7- earlier etc." you should think about it again. You had friends aswell. You are right about that and I think everyone involved is well aware that it was a team effort on both sides. What really ticks people off here are comments like from your fellow CoW pilot: "RZR and MM alone would have been walk in a park like it was first in v7-mid and second time in bkg assault." If we could simply stop such stupid remarks who couldn't be more far away from the truth, then we might actually have a decent discussion here about how it happened. Additionally I'd like that add that I find it quite annoying to see people say RZR/MM/Pure and the other (imaginary) dozen alliances defeated MPire. On MPire's side it was them with FATAL mostly and some CoW, on the other side of the battlefield it was mostly RAZOR, Morsus Mihi and then some. Yes, in total there have been maybe a dozen alliances involved, but most of those other alliances had a handful or a dozen pilots at best in the fleets we steered right into BKG. So stop they myth it was a 3 vs. 24 alliances fight, because it was not. It was mainly RAZOR and Morsus Mihi, with much appreciated help from guys like Pure, CPU, Phoenix Allianz and so on, but only in limited numbers. Also, an honorary mention goes to the amazing R0ADKILL pilot who steered a stealthbomber with payload to the BKG station killing 50+ drones and fighters at one point. That was quite nice. ___________________________
DeTox MinRohim Madhatters Inc. M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.10.01 12:36:00 - [274] Originally by: MarKand A straggler frigate in space, and was Dungar alone ? NO , he needed a Astarte and a Hyperion to back him up so he could bubble and pop the little frigate. Is this smack,, NO,, this is THE ONLY KM Mr Dungan Loghth is present on, in the ENTIRE M.Pire Alliance. So please Mr Dungan,, STFU or be a part of it, dont leach on others kills,and then write stuff on coad. You know, You actully have to be a part of something to be able to claim something. Hope to see You soon in space, would be fun to actully see if you fight as fiersome as You post. /M PS I realy hate all these coad killers, no real kills, just smack. Have to correct you there Markand, Dungar did killed a hauler (board needed a sync) who went way too casually in his direction thinking that the road was under the control of the faction we surrendered to. Word is that his leadership/bosses/hosts/whatever told him to NOT shoot these pilots under non-hostile surrender pact... but he said "Suck it" to them. Unfortunatly, later when a few BS came flying the same road, he cloaked/hide/ran... No smack, just facts. ------ This sig space is Read-only ! omgalink - Online Skillsheet
Narciss Sevar Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.10.01 12:42:00 - [275] Originally by: DeTox MinRohim Originally by: MarKand A straggler frigate in space, and was Dungar alone ? NO , he needed a Astarte and a Hyperion to back him up so he could bubble and pop the little frigate. Is this smack,, NO,, this is THE ONLY KM Mr Dungan Loghth is present on, in the ENTIRE M.Pire Alliance. So please Mr Dungan,, STFU or be a part of it, dont leach on others kills,and then write stuff on coad. You know, You actully have to be a part of something to be able to claim something. Hope to see You soon in space, would be fun to actully see if you fight as fiersome as You post. /M PS I realy hate all these coad killers, no real kills, just smack. Have to correct you there Markand, Dungar did killed a hauler (board needed a sync) who went way too casually in his direction thinking that the road was under the control of the faction we surrendered to. Word is that his leadership/bosses/hosts/whatever told him to NOT shoot these pilots under non-hostile surrender pact... but he said "Suck it" to them. Unfortunatly, later when a few BS came flying the same road, he cloaked/hide/ran... No smack, just facts. PL was never part of any surrender agreement, i'm sorry if you were misled.
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.01 12:43:00 - [276] Originally by: putukas But on another hand it's is good to see how many alliances worked together to kill us. There was atleast ~10 smaller and bigger alliances fighting us. Props for being better in politics and you sure did cry better then us when you were in trouble. Your mighty blob got spanked two times and you just took more and more friends with you. RZR and MM alone would have been walk in a park like it was first in v7-mid and second time in bkg assault. The bulk of the forces was MM/Pure/MH/RZR. The rest who came, came because they were in the same channel and put an "X" in it. Really, why do you look for sympathy? It's all out politics and public opinion about who knows who and who offers the best compromise between what you offer and what you want. You preferred to have reds to gank and own a station close by... which is fun. Well you had them for a while, until they all joined up and decided they had enough. And I'm not talking about MM/Pure/MH/RZR, but the others who most of you call pets. We've learnt from our mistakes and haven't given up. Why don't you put it this way? Why do you want to play the innocent and try to make us look bad when in fact we were relentless in our goal, which is never bad. Originally by: putukas Atleast we have cuts to admit we lost this fight, do not come to CAOD to talk goonss**t like some of the posts are here. Sorry, you have no guts if you don't accept the reality. With your former paragraph you're refuting the latter paragraph, both of which I've quoted. In a post long time ago, you said to bring it, because you're CoW and you love war. We did it and you're still complaining... By the way, where is Pepperami? He said we would never have BKG...
Central Scrutinizer RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.01 12:48:00 - [277] This thread is fail.
DeTox MinRohim Madhatters Inc. M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.10.01 12:51:00 - [278] Edited by: DeTox MinRohim on 01/10/2007 12:53:28 Originally by: Narciss Sevar PL was never part of any surrender agreement, i'm sorry if you were misled. Thanks for confirming that. Precision though, I didn't say PL explicitly (add a few options) was part of it, just that Dungar was asked not to shoot by higher ranked but decided to do it anyway. Anyway - such things happen. Moving on... ------ This sig space is Read-only ! omgalink - Online Skillsheet
Koronos Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.01 12:59:00 - [279] Originally by: Velios Edited by: Velios on 01/10/2007 12:14:10 Why don't you just do it now? BoB have zero impact on what is going on in the north-east, they are nowhere near that area, and likewise you guys are not really taking any sort of pro-active measures to attack your so-called enemies either. It's all a front, you all put BoB out there as the excuse for why you need to huddle together. In reality, you could reset standings at any time, but you just don't want to because thats outside your comfort zone. If things don't go the way you think they are going to go, god help you when the pendulum swings in your direction. I've generally supported and defended M.Pire positions on CAOD, but this post just doesn't make any sense at all. Maybe re-read your own third line there and then think some more about your first two? Also, if _you_ had been neutral as you seem to be asking everyone else to be, then my guess is that Razor would not have felt the need to continue to attack you. /me scratches head. Koronos
Johnny ReeRee The ReeRee Brigade	Posted - 2007.10.01 13:11:00 - [280] Yay for the Northern NAP-land! Or, in TRI's case, the Northern NIP-land! Yay for faux-pvp and meaningless engagements between what either are or amount to blues! Yay so powa~ blue blob! Now the north can get fat and happy again! Maybe useless groups like IRON and FLA can get their homes back too! After all, they're BFF with the rest of the north, right?

JeanPaul Sartre 26th of July Movement	Posted - 2007.10.01 13:13:00 - [281] Originally by: Velios Edited by: Velios on 01/10/2007 12:14:10 Why don't you just do it now? BoB have zero impact on what is going on in the north-east, they are nowhere near that area, and likewise you guys are not really taking any sort of pro-active measures to attack your so-called enemies either. It's all a front, you all put BoB out there as the excuse for why you need to huddle together. In reality, you could reset standings at any time, but you just don't want to because thats outside your comfort zone. If things don't go the way you think they are going to go, god help you when the pendulum swings in your direction. The biggest impact many in the north can have in the big scheme of things, is taking back the space that MC/Bob took not so long ago. This is being done. -- Quote: If a victory is told in detail, one can no longer distinguish it from a defeat.
Anton March Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2007.10.01 13:23:00 - [282] Congrats Razor & Allies. Most impressive. Hopefully this means the "Old North" can head back down south to aid in the fight there.
marakor Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers	Posted - 2007.10.01 13:36:00 - [283] Edited by: marakor on 01/10/2007 13:43:20 Edited by: marakor on 01/10/2007 13:41:11 Razor and buddies deserved to win as soon as m-pire and buddies got pulled back and turtled up. If you fight a war in your home systems eventualy you will run out of money or you will be sick of being attacked because your enemy decides on the times and places of the engagment. When S-E was attacked in responce to COW's systems being attacked the coalition should have followed through with the assault, instead they were pulled back by the then alliance leader who had done jack ** for the war and had barley been on line because he "did'nt like POS wars" the offensive was halted. What the a 0.0 alliance leader in a war is doing leading and mak iting decisions like that and having that sort of attitude when 0.0 warfare is all POS warfare i don't know but it was the reason myself and others later left the alliance. The end result was obvious, a slow and painful death as attendance in the new north fleets got less and less and razor/allies brought more and more and with the "I h8 POS wars" leader leaving for "personal reasons". In the end i hear that again M-PIRE negotiated a surrender without consulting with their allies giving COW and FATAL little choice but to do the same. But even without that the rot in at least one of these large alliances FATAL was there long before it even came to branch due to the recruitment of way to many carebear corps to bolster numbers instead of pvpers. This gave the illusion of a great and large fighting force but the reality was a house of cards built mostly with paper tigers. If you then take into account as it has been said before that a coalition with 3000 members on paper at best could put together a fleet of considerably less than 400 on their best day and on a normal day less than 200 you can see where the problem lies. So poor recruiting/monitoring plus poor leadership and strategy by a alliance leader who wasnt their and only made a appearance to undermine on the alliance forum the fella who took the reins pretty much sums up how the new north fell. Lesson learned i hope but i doubt looking at the "17 vs 3" comments and "they had more than us" crap i read here. ps; the edits were cos im a iliterate **.
Danny Centurai New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.10.01 13:45:00 - [284] Originally by: marakor Lesson learned i hope but i doubt looking at the "17 vs 3" comments and "they had more than us" crap i read here. I will second that one. I can remember once M.Pire pulled back their fleet to BKG after the orginal assult. We was outnumbered 2-1 at the best of times by M.Pire in BKG up until the end, shows how much brute force and ignorance can do for you. The 3 days with almost no sleep of raiding in BKG just to knock down the cyno jammer for a hour long slot was worth it in the end boys... especially seen as we got to kill repping carriers with large armor reps fitted lol.
Toxic Fumes	Posted - 2007.10.01 14:04:00 - [285] If Jose "the special one" Mourhino was in charge. None of this would have happened.
ArmyOfMe hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.10.01 14:15:00 - [286] Originally by: Plague Black Originally by: putukas RZR and MM alone would have been walk in a park like it was first in v7-mid and second time in bkg assault. (I'm not allowed to post so I will just stick to emotes) /signed
NO BRAKES GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.01 14:16:00 - [287] Originally by: Velios If things don't go the way you think they are going to go, god help you when the pendulum swings in your direction. You shouldn't be giving advice about what people should do when things don't go their way.
ArmyOfMe hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.10.01 14:19:00 - [288] Originally by: Velios Edited by: Velios on 01/10/2007 12:14:10 Why don't you just do it now? BoB have zero impact on what is going on in the north-east, they are nowhere near that area, and likewise you guys are not really taking any sort of pro-active measures to attack your so-called enemies either. It's all a front, you all put BoB out there as the excuse for why you need to huddle together. In reality, you could reset standings at any time, but you just don't want to because thats outside your comfort zone. If things don't go the way you think they are going to go, god help you when the pendulum swings in your direction. All in due time
Velios M. Corp M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.10.01 14:27:00 - [289] Originally by: marakor words All this from a guy who's biggest achievement in EVE to date is stringing together a few paragraphs on eve-o. I listened to what you had to say, some of it makes a bit of sense (youdo well at stating the painfully obvious) but when it comes to slagging off alliance leaders who take a break for personal reasons you are stepping over the line. It's simply none of your business why an alliance leader would hand over the reins to someone else, and to be quite honest other people in that alliance stepped up and did a wonderful job. You are just a disgruntled ex-employee by the sound of it, it's a real shame that you weren't so vociferous at the time then you perceived all these problems in your own alliance to be happening. But then again, it's much easier to be the big man on EVE-O than to do it face to face... Or are you simply one of those angsty, annoying people that nobody takes any notice of regardless of what they have to say? To cur it short, don't put your former alliance leaders down, they have achieved more in EVE than you are ever likely to yourself. M.Corp Capital Blueprint Facility
Marlon Shakespeare	Posted - 2007.10.01 14:32:00 - [290] Originally by: marakor Edited by: marakor on 01/10/2007 14:06:54If you fight a war in your home systems eventualy you will run out of money or you will be sick of being attacked because your enemy decides on the times and places of the engagment. Ahh...Sophisticatedlimabean! We knew it wouldn't be long until your tactical brilliance reared it's head and told us all how to PVP again. I had hoped for your sake you had learned to keep your mouth shut to secure your future in Triumvirate. I'm sure it's just a question of time before someone asks what that annoying/lecturing buzz is in the background. Tell them your brilliant strategy about Stealth Bombers, I'm sure it will be mind-blowing. It's a real shame that you have become so bitter and twisted. I actually read one of your aforementioned posts and thought the better of you for it before I read this under an ill-disguised alt. Originally by: marakor ...and having that sort of attitude when 0.0 warfare is all POS warfare i don't know but it was the reason myself and others later left the alliance. Lets be truthful, you didn't so much leave the alliance, your continued presence was rendered untenable after you turned yourself into a holier-than-thou hate figure, spouting off about everyone when the best you could contribute was ganking haulers in lo-sec. How we shook our heads and laughed when you turned up to V7 in a covert ops with no probes or mic as if you actually intended to be of any use to anyone (and subsequently proclaimed to have led us to victory). Originally by: marakor ... and with the "I h8 POS wars" leader leaving for "personal reasons". How low can you sink when you attack someone who has to take time out from the game to deal with real life issues involving supporting their family. I don't actually recall you once stepping up to provide any leadership or demonstrate that infinate tactical genius and squad leadership. It was all mouth and no trousers. Originally by: marakor ps; the edits were cos im a iliterate ****. Yes :-D

Velios M. Corp M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.10.01 14:39:00 - [291] Originally by: Katherine Marx Originally by: Velios To cut it short, don't put your former alliance leaders down, they have achieved more in EVE than you are ever likely to yourself. Yes those bpc packs are quite a huge accomplishment. They are actually! Join MCORP_SALES to make a trade. M.Corp Capital Blueprint Facility
Huricae	Posted - 2007.10.01 14:40:00 - [292] Edited by: Huricae on 01/10/2007 14:43:22 M.pire/Fatal/Coe there is a good place you can take over by force. The BoB Outposts in Fountain
marakor Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers	Posted - 2007.10.01 14:48:00 - [293] Originally by: Velios Edited by: Velios on 01/10/2007 14:28:01 Originally by: marakor INCONVINIENT TRUTH It's simply none of your business why an alliance leader would hand over the reins to someone else, and to be quite honest other people in that alliance stepped up and did a wonderful job. You are just a disgruntled ex-employee by the sound of it, it's a real shame that you weren't so vociferous at the time then you perceived all these problems in your own alliance to be happening. When S-E was attacked in responce to COW's systems being attacked the coalition should have followed through with the assault, instead they were pulled back by the then alliance leader who had done jack ** for the war and had barley been on line because he "did'nt like POS wars" the offensive was halted. What the a 0.0 alliance leader in a war is doing leading and making decisions like that and having that sort of attitude when 0.0 warfare is all POS warfare i don't know but it was the reason myself and others later left the alliance. Im sure you can read but il underline the part that is relavant, and believe me i was very active on the alliance forums and in every other place i could but i got shouted down by the carebear turtles and others who are better at making isk and moving house than they are at fighting. Oh and also the leader who had personal issues so he could'nt play the game but had enough time to read the alliance forums and pull back the offensive in S-E and undermine the new leader on those very forums who "did a wonderful job"** as you call it. A bit like m-pire realy considering this is the second or third time you haver bailed without warning on a ally.
MeatwagonUK M. Corp M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.10.01 14:52:00 - [294] Originally by: marakor Originally by: Velios Edited by: Velios on 01/10/2007 14:28:01 Originally by: marakor INCONVINIENT TRUTH It's simply none of your business why an alliance leader would hand over the reins to someone else, and to be quite honest other people in that alliance stepped up and did a wonderful job. You are just a disgruntled ex-employee by the sound of it, it's a real shame that you weren't so vociferous at the time then you perceived all these problems in your own alliance to be happening. When S-E was attacked in responce to COW's systems being attacked the coalition should have followed through with the assault, instead they were pulled back by the then alliance leader who had done jack ** for the war and had barley been on line because he "did'nt like POS wars" the offensive was halted. What the a 0.0 alliance leader in a war is doing leading and making decisions like that and having that sort of attitude when 0.0 warfare is all POS warfare i don't know but it was the reason myself and others later left the alliance. Im sure you can read but il underline the part that is relavant, and believe me i was very active on the alliance forums and in every other place i could but i got shouted down by the carebear turtles and others who are better at making isk and moving house than they are at fighting. Oh and also the leader who had personal issues so he could'nt play the game but had enough time to read the alliance forums and pull back the offensive in S-E and undermine the new leader on those very forums who "did a wonderful job"** as you call it. A bit like m-pire realy considering this is the second or third time you haver bailed without warning on a ally. First of all, no its not. Secondly how the hell are those two situations remotely similar? You've just decided to chuck some smack in. Yes, we surrendered and left, we didn't join their side. You, on the other hand, have been in about every 'side' of every war in the game.
ArmyOfMe hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.10.01 14:53:00 - [295] Originally by: marakor but it was the reason myself and others later left the alliance. If u act the same way ingame as u do on the forum, then im pretty sure it wasnt the greatest loss in the world
marakor Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers	Posted - 2007.10.01 15:05:00 - [296] Originally by: Marlon Shakespeare Ahh...Sophisticatedlimabean! We knew it wouldn't be long until your tactical brilliance reared it's head and told us all how to PVP again. You should realy check you corp/alliance ticker before you make claims bud or post with your main. And posting with a alt in a npc corp gets zapped as you well know so i post with this guy, perhaps you should check before you make claims about me hiding behind a alt considering thats what you are actualy doing. And after you and other just led the new north into a most embarressing defeat id say that your hardly in a position to comment on anybodys tactical knowledge. Im sure killing logged of ships with probers is a rare and highly valued skill so your future is sound.
DeTox MinRohim Madhatters Inc. M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.10.01 15:05:00 - [297] Originally by: ArmyOfMe Originally by: marakor but it was the reason myself and others later left the alliance. If u act the same way ingame as u do on the forum, then im pretty sure it wasnt the greatest loss in the world Oh well... here it comes: /signed It serves no purpose anyway to throw muds at whoever thinks he has a clue... or not... or... ooOOO shinny!.... /me gone outside, there is a sun... how strange. ------ This sig space is Read-only ! omgalink - Online Skillsheet
eleuthereus Gallente The Wild Hunt FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.01 15:13:00 - [298] Although terribly saddened, and yes a little bitter (might as well admit it), frustrated, and tired, I have to say that my last 3 months with Fatal in the fight against rzr&co. has been terrifically fun. And, I suppose, that's what the game is largely about -- having fun. Soooo, once again I bid 0.0 goodbye (this is really getting old), and head back to empire (sigh). GF foes GF friends Personal Note: 1) I never surrendered. And would have much rather fought until my last ship went up in flames. But hey, that's just me. 2) One of the most critical blows for me was finding out M. Pire had surrendered while we were engaged in active combat and suddenly ships started turning blue for everyone but Fatal/Cow. Surprise, surprise. Oooopsy. I'll miss Branch and I'll miss the fights. Over & Out. ________________________
Velios M. Corp M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.10.01 15:24:00 - [299] Yes Eluthrius, it should never have been allowed to happen that way. And as of yet nobody has been able to fully explain why it did happen this way, it was a diplomatic error, but one I am sure you understand was never intended in that way. Regardless, MPIRE stick by Fatal 110% as you have stuck by us - we make a brilliant team. M.Corp Capital Blueprint Facility
cruxix M. Corp M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.10.01 15:26:00 - [300] Originally by: eleuthereus Although terribly saddened, and yes a little bitter (might as well admit it), frustrated, and tired, I have to say that my last 3 months with Fatal in the fight against rzr&co. has been terrifically fun. And, I suppose, that's what the game is largely about -- having fun. Soooo, once again I bid 0.0 goodbye (this is really getting old), and head back to empire (sigh). GF foes GF friends Personal Note: 1) I never surrendered. And would have much rather fought until my last ship went up in flames. But hey, that's just me. 2) One of the most critical blows for me was finding out M. Pire had surrendered while we were engaged in active combat and suddenly ships started turning blue for everyone but Fatal/Cow. Surprise, surprise. Oooopsy. I'll miss Branch and I'll miss the fights. Over & Out. Not sure what happened around that but I'm sure I speak for everyone in M when I say Fatal and COW have been as close as alliance mates and we would fly along side you guys anytime.



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