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Teelmaster
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Posted - 2004.02.18 18:31:00 -
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Umm with the new gates it almost impossible to close down a region now. If someone puts together enough ships to stop traffic at a gate than they should reap the reward. If you dont like it, get some ships together and go chase them away, pay someone to do it, or fly around the blockade. Plenty of options, start thinking and stop *****ing. Or just end yourself.
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Postman
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Posted - 2004.02.18 18:33:00 -
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Edited by: McWatt on 18/02/2004 18:29:33
^ clueless again. how long did copying the bookmarks take you?
(postman, you were to fast!!!, was still talking to the guy above you....)
or making them on a 1000 users morning?
a feww ppl closing three regions? may i suggest someone kicks them out??
never thought of this? ithought so.
Well, i would go for the option that bookmark copying is removed. People would still have to make the bm then and a good closed system wouldn't allow for the making of such bm's (ok, it is possible, but you can at least kill/pod the person making the bm).
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Postman
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Posted - 2004.02.18 18:35:00 -
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Might i add that when i joined this game i read somewhere that EVE had a option to warp from gate to gate, so the current system isn't flawed at all, it could have been much worse.
Also, the warp-in bug has been fixed, all this is good for the gate-campers, not for the people making the same jumps 200x a day.
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Ishkur
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Posted - 2004.02.18 18:37:00 -
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I don't know. I haven't seen insta-bookmark packs on the market in my area. Maybe I am not looking in the right place (but it would be a good idea!)...
This is what the disruptors are for, though. So you don't want to use them? They cost too much money?
And I think there's plenty of risk in 0.0 space. But it doesn't need to be centered around gate-gankers. Be creative! Rather than sit there camping a gate, go and actually get them while they are mining or doing whatever it is one does out there.
I use insta-bookmarks in secure space too, btw. If I have common routes that I take all the time, through 0.7-1.0 space, no, I don't want it to take an hour every time I need to make 7 jumps in my Indy.
If being a pirate is too hard for you, or isn't profitable, then you can always do something else...
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scouting
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Posted - 2004.02.18 18:37:00 -
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Considering ships spawn in a random place in a 20km radius from the gate means its not allways possible to get them scrambled, and many ships are too fast anyways.
you mean its not possible to catch every ship 
ccp, give this puppy a break will you, make it only 1 spawn point
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Teelmaster
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Posted - 2004.02.18 18:45:00 -
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Be creative! Rather than sit there camping a gate, go and actually get them while they are mining or doing whatever it is one does out there.
This just proves you have no idea what you are talking about. First, when most people see pirates in local they dock (if possible) or go to a safespot. Now if they arent watching local (which most people do in 0.0), now you gotta find them. While the scanner helps, it still takes a decent amount of time especially if there are many belts/moons/planets. K now lets say i find him, most likely come out of warp not even close to the person. So now i gotta go quite a few km's to even get a warp scrambler on him. At any point in time they will notice they are about to be ganked and warp away.
Please lets not turn this into another anti-gate camping thread. Its already been explained that without the actual tools to hunt people down in safe spots etc....there is no really true way to pirate with any effectiveness on a constant basis without camping gates. Its just not possible until more tools come out in the game.
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LargeNuts
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Posted - 2004.02.18 18:48:00 -
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How about no. without insta jump, travel times would be unbearable for the few that travel to deep space and back on a regular basis. Besides, 9 out of 10 people dont even use them.
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Freya Jones
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Posted - 2004.02.18 18:49:00 -
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So Oracle is taking up pirating now? WHo would have guessed...
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Teelmaster
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Posted - 2004.02.18 18:52:00 -
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So Oracle is taking up pirating now? WHo would have guessed...
Shh nubby. Everyone involved in combat hates the damn things. Even if you arent a pirate corp, other combat corps in corp wars and other pvp still have to deal with their enemy insta-jumping. Very annoying. And oracle prolly doesnt care what you think.......shove your nubish thinking back in the hole where it came, have a c0w, and m0o away.
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2004.02.18 18:53:00 -
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Everyone always assumes these kind of comments are about pirates camping gates and ganking everyone.
That is simply not the case, as someone pointed out insta-jump gate bookmarks are an issue for pirate hunters, for alliances protecting territory, for any two corps at war with each other in fact for any group of people wanting to stop any other group of people travelling.
I'm not sure that this issue should be regarded as a full on whine-fest by any particular player group, it is imho a legitimate point.
As things stand if your opponent has been able to scout for BM's or has copied a set from someone who has, the resources needed to capture them are considerable. I know this as we've been practicing specialist gate capture teams and you need a very specialist mix of skills, ships and kit to pull it off.
I guess as a positive it promotes more teamwork as you do need about 4 to 5 players to make it work with a high degree of effectiveness.
Once the deployable warp disrupters are more readily available the situation will be better, until that time the almost gauranteed safety of insta-jump BM's is a frustrating issue.
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Gaius Kador
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Posted - 2004.02.18 18:57:00 -
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No no, they are just looking into gate ganking ;)
A decent blockade shouldn't really have probs preventing an indy from passing thru, even with insta jumps. Two sides to a gate.
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Lao Tzu
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Posted - 2004.02.18 18:58:00 -
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I've been against insta-jumps since I started, but think of the look on the indy pilots face when you get a warp disruptor, stop him dead and tear him a new one :D
Though they'll probably complain and petition to try and get their ship back ;/
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Hematic
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Posted - 2004.02.18 19:00:00 -
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Considering ships spawn in a random place in a 20km radius from the gate means its not allways possible to get them scrambled, and many ships are too fast anyways.
Ok here's some Eve 101 for you:
1) What is the range of a warp scrambler? Answer 20km. So you answered your first point. ie warp scambler guy sits on the gate.
2) How long does it take and indy/cruiser/BS to get into warp minimum? Answer 10 seconds. With a single pulse of a MWD most people can get into warp soonest in about 10 seconds upon jumping into your sector.
Here are a few tips on getting them all who come through:
1) Mount F90 Positionals to get faster locks.
2) Use a minmatar ship to scamble with (they have the fastest locking times (coupled with an F90 it's insanly fast).
3) Some people use warp core stabilizers. If you want to make sure you get 99% of the people hit them with two.
4) Don't web a guy who just jumped in. You'll likely make him get into warp sooner by reducing his top speed. Only web people coming to the gate to jump through. You can web the guy after you scramble him to insure he doesn't break for the gate.
5) Yes some shuttles and VERY fast frigates can get into warp awfully quick. If this is your only problem then relax and just get the next guy.
There is NO reason to remove insta-jump bookmarks except for laziness on the part of the static blockade.
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Skillz
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Posted - 2004.02.18 19:03:00 -
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Don't you get it? CCP won't nerf that and the reason is that they always cave in to carebear traders/miners and carebear whatever.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Riddari
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Posted - 2004.02.18 19:06:00 -
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Don't you get it? CCP won't nerf that and the reason is that they always cave in to carebear traders/miners and carebear whatever.
Yeah, because ALL the patches have dealt with making the market work etc.... no wait?
It's usually combat related!
Silly silly me and Skillz
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StoreSlem
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Posted - 2004.02.18 19:16:00 -
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Quote:
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Considering ships spawn in a random place in a 20km radius from the gate means its not allways possible to get them scrambled, and many ships are too fast anyways.
Ok here's some Eve 101 for you:
1) What is the range of a warp scrambler? Answer 20km. So you answered your first point. ie warp scambler guy sits on the gate.
2) How long does it take and indy/cruiser/BS to get into warp minimum? Answer 10 seconds. With a single pulse of a MWD most people can get into warp soonest in about 10 seconds upon jumping into your sector.
Here are a few tips on getting them all who come through:
1) Mount F90 Positionals to get faster locks.
2) Use a minmatar ship to scamble with (they have the fastest locking times (coupled with an F90 it's insanly fast).
3) Some people use warp core stabilizers. If you want to make sure you get 99% of the people hit them with two.
4) Don't web a guy who just jumped in. You'll likely make him get into warp sooner by reducing his top speed. Only web people coming to the gate to jump through. You can web the guy after you scramble him to insure he doesn't break for the gate.
5) Yes some shuttles and VERY fast frigates can get into warp awfully quick. If this is your only problem then relax and just get the next guy.
There is NO reason to remove insta-jump bookmarks except for laziness on the part of the static blockade.
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I read your first point. YEAH FOR THE GATE ITSELF HAS 0 RADIUS.
you should really get either experience or intelligence before inflicting yourself upon the forums.
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StoreSlem
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Posted - 2004.02.18 19:21:00 -
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And all of you smartasses telling me to camp the other site... guess how that makes cathing the people coming the other way.
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Fuujin
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Posted - 2004.02.18 19:44:00 -
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And all of you smartasses telling me to camp the other site... guess how that makes cathing the people coming the other way.
Guess you can't have it all. Life's not always fair.
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Skillz
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Posted - 2004.02.18 19:50:00 -
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Edited by: Skillz on 18/02/2004 19:51:05
Wrong thread.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Daniel Jackson
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Posted - 2004.02.18 19:53:00 -
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Edited by: Daniel Jackson on 18/02/2004 19:54:40
Edited by: Daniel Jackson on 18/02/2004 19:54:12
I LOVE THE INSTA JUMPS and if u want to gate camp i found lots and lots and lots and lots of dead end systems in 0.0 and other sec systems
Caldari will once again rise above the gallente and take back Caldari prime!
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Hematic
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Posted - 2004.02.18 19:57:00 -
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I read your first point. YEAH FOR THE GATE ITSELF HAS 0 RADIUS.
you should really get either experience or intelligence before inflicting yourself upon the forums.
Well considering the jump in spot is actually random 12,500 km from the gate I still don't see the problem you're talking about.
Maybe you ought to heed your own advice then eh?
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.02.18 20:31:00 -
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Funny to see alliance members being accused of being gate gankers, the peaple accusing clearly have no idea how a war works 
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SwitchBl4d3
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Posted - 2004.02.18 20:39:00 -
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if they zip past dont be a numb nut and innitiate agression and jump after them. Then lock them otherside.
"Teh lord of Nonni"
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Beseb
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Posted - 2004.02.18 20:48:00 -
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Storeslem,
Don't know what game you're playing, but the JiP is now always within a 12k radius of the gate. That pretty much means insta death on the entering ship if you are equipped for fast lock and double scramble.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.02.18 21:13:00 -
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Edited by: Jash Illian on 18/02/2004 21:14:18
Geez...most of you people have no idea what it takes to stop a person at a gate. 9 times out of 10, a person that's actually at their PC and equipped for any type of speed or any type of tanking will get away cleanly.
I suspect the people replying about how easy it is to catch someone jumping into a solarsystem are:
1) Primarily hugging high sec space.
2) Primarily using instajump bookmarks to travel.
Meaning:
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. The evidence is sitting dead in front of your faces and runs completely contrary to the narowminded bias their blind anti-pirate fanaticism colors their perception with. Namely:
If pirates are so lazy, are always looking for the easiest kill possible and catching people jumping in is sooooooooo easy...then why aren't they doing it?
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Hematic
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Posted - 2004.02.18 21:22:00 -
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If pirates are so lazy, are always looking for the easiest kill possible and catching people jumping in is sooooooooo easy...then why aren't they doing it?
Not sure what the point of your post is Jash accept that what pirates don't get kills?
If that is your point you are mistaken, in fact look in crime and punishment and see the brand new thread from a pirate corp saying they are doing well and good.
So either he is lying or you don't know wtf you're talking about. I'm gonna opt for the latter.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.02.18 21:37:00 -
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If pirates are so lazy, are always looking for the easiest kill possible and catching people jumping in is sooooooooo easy...then why aren't they doing it?
Not sure what the point of your post is Jash accept that what pirates don't get kills?
If that is your point you are mistaken, in fact look in crime and punishment and see the brand new thread from a pirate corp saying they are doing well and good.
So either he is lying or you don't know wtf you're talking about. I'm gonna opt for the latter.
Sorry, Hematic. I'll break it down for you.
A) People claim pirates are lazy and just want easy kills
B) People say things like:
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Don't know what game you're playing, but the JiP is now always within a 12k radius of the gate. That pretty much means insta death on the entering ship if you are equipped for fast lock and double scramble
Now if B is true, then A cannot be true. You will find the majority of successful intercepts are at the destination of a warp in. Not at the ingress of a jump in. So the point is, as stated, many people replying don't know what they're talking about because they:
1) Hug high sec space in furcovered ships
2) Use instajump bookmarks
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Antonino
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Posted - 2004.02.18 21:39:00 -
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poor Gate campers, are people getting past you?? boo hoo hoo
HAHAHA right on m8
LOL 
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Hematic
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Posted - 2004.02.18 21:53:00 -
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A) People claim pirates are lazy and just want easy kills
B) People say things like:
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Don't know what game you're playing, but the JiP is now always within a 12k radius of the gate. That pretty much means insta death on the entering ship if you are equipped for fast lock and double scramble
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Now if B is true, then A cannot be true. You will find the majority of successful intercepts are at the destination of a warp in. Not at the ingress of a jump in. So the point is, as stated, many people replying don't know what they're talking about because they:
1) Hug high sec space in furcovered ships
2) Use instajump bookmarks
Ok, I didn't realize you don't understand the mechanics of eve, let alone common english.
1) I didn't say pirates wanted easy kills I said it is rather lazy to assume one can blockade a corridor camping a single gate.
2) A and B above are two different things and are not opposites of each other so therefore both can or cannot exist on their own.
3) The fastest one will get into warp (not including frigs and shuttles) is going to be right about the 10 second mark. A fast locking minmatar ship with an f90 can activate two warp scramblers on ANYONE jumping in, in UNDER 10 seconds.
So the solution to an absolute blockade consists of camping BOTH gates and that way insta-BMs is of NO consequence.
So your only solution then Jash is to call people carebears. STFW. Call me a carebear I don't really give a shet less what you think of me because alls you do is sit behind a monitor 2000 miles away from me and hurl insults from the safety of anonymity. And if I wanted a fur covered ship I'd shave your A$$ and make your mom knit me a blanket.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.02.18 22:04:00 -
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So your only solution then Jash is to call people carebears. STFW. Call me a carebear I don't really give a shet less what you think of me because alls you do is sit behind a monitor 2000 miles away from me and hurl insults from the safety of anonymity. And if I wanted a fur covered ship I'd shave your A$$ and make your mom knit me a blanket.
Odd...I don't remember refering to you in the slightest. You must have seen something of yourself in what was written and chose to take offense.
Which is strange given your admittance that your day in Eve primarily consists of logging in to change skills and do your research agent's missions.
I already know that most gate campers don't stand the slightest chance of stopping me by having a few shoot at me. And I don't use instajump bookmarks. Never have. Of the people I'm aware of, Space Invaders has the best chance of stopping my Typhoon. And that's most likely to occur at the destination of a warp in. Not at the ingress of a jump in.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
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