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Necronomicon
Caldari
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.06 18:31:00 -
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Phase 1
1. Remove all NPC markets from the system, player only transactions.
2. Remove all unrequired eye candy (Billboards etc)
3. Remove all agents no matter how un-used they are.
This will increase the system somewhat.
Phase 2
1. Place a limit on items for sale per station (this will force players to use different stations, and at full saturation, will be forced to market in nearby systems, thus a market constellation will form rather than a single system)
2. Make a new security rating of 1.1, concord's premiere security, outside of war, any vessel opening fire is instabbqd before they are even able to hit the target vessel - This will root out the alt corp suiciders who snag up the stations, and also reduce clutter at the gates.
Carlsberg dont make Eve Pilots, but if they did, i wouldnt be one of them.
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IKEELYOU
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Posted - 2007.10.06 18:35:00 -
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Alternative solution: don't go to Jita.
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NereSky
Gallente
Trinity Nova
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.06 18:35:00 -
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Some good suggestions there m8
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Major Dim
Caldari
RUS HOLDING
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Posted - 2007.10.06 18:35:00 -
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/signed exacly my thoguhts
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F90OEX
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Posted - 2007.10.06 18:36:00 -
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Necronomicon for president 
Bottom line CCP are going to have to make drastic changes to Jita, and this is before Rev3.....
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Alty MacAlterson
Alt Corporation
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Posted - 2007.10.06 18:37:00 -
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Or just DON'T ******* GO TO JITA IF YOU DON'T WANT LAGGY GARBAGE SYSTEMS
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Necronomicon
Caldari
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.06 18:37:00 -
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 Originally by: IKEELYOU
Alternative solution: don't go to Jita.
Yes alt, lets all not go to Jita, not buy anything, and never undock just like you ;)
Carlsberg dont make Eve Pilots, but if they did, i wouldnt be one of them.
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Mr McCargo
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Posted - 2007.10.06 18:41:00 -
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I like phase 1, but phase 2's not gonna work.
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Kojirochan
Grave Diggers
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.06 18:44:00 -
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Been stuck for hours, worse thing is my ship is in there and they wont move it for me. Well ****ed off tonight
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KKhanid Queen
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Posted - 2007.10.06 18:44:00 -
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1) DONT GO TO JITA
Why does the game have to change? This is what makes eve great becauce market hubs like these form. Please dont Force us to do things
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Zosana
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Posted - 2007.10.06 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Necronomicon
Originally by: IKEELYOU
Alternative solution: don't go to Jita.
Yes alt, lets all not go to Jita, not buy anything, and never undock just like you ;)
Yup I'm an alt, great argument! 
No, there are other commercial centers besides Jita and nothing forcing you to go there. If anything there should be an "avoid Jita" option on the autopilot.
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Necronomicon
Caldari
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.06 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: Mr McCargo
I like phase 1, but phase 2's not gonna work.
Well, in order to remain contructive, and being open to critisism, can you tell me why it will not work?
CCP obviously do need to do something about Jita, there are hundreds of trade routes that can be camped by the suicide alt crews, and the limit on sales would make markets less centralized and more spread out over the available area.
Having everything in 4-4 is just a laziness that has been allowed to blaze out of control. Perimeter, and Niyabainen both have a good station structure, there is no reason other than the aforementioned laziness for having everything in the one station.
Carlsberg dont make Eve Pilots, but if they did, i wouldnt be one of them.
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Arric Rohr
The Knights Templar
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.10.06 18:50:00 -
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Here is my Jita fix idea:
Put a border of low sec systems between each empire. Make sure there are several alternate routes through to make lag less and camping more difficult, but not impossible.
If it isn't possible to afk autopilot from Stacmon to Jita, other hub markets will form.
There is even a storyline boost to the factional warfare thing that is coming sometime.
Easy fix that doesn't require lots of special changes.
AR
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Major Dim
Caldari
RUS HOLDING
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Posted - 2007.10.06 18:51:00 -
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Edited by: Major Dim on 06/10/2007 18:54:07
The solution that i hear always - DONT GO TO JITA - is really not a valuable one. If u look into the RL for a second, we have supermarkets, bazars and so on. people tend to make the trades easier for both sides - the buyer and the seller. And forbidding one to go to jita is not an option - everyone pays the same price for playing and has a right to go to any system he wants. And with the recent adverts of CCP like having a 1000 man battles i wonder WTF IS GOING ON? We pay all the same ammount and they advertise, but a system with 700ppl in it doing trades just goes down and doesnt work.... Its not the players fault that one system - which became the main trading system ingame - doesnt work properly. Its the devs fault that they cant make it work as it should for the money we pay. There are many ways that could ake it work - for exaple - FAR TRADE skill with delivery. Iplement a skill that would allow u to buy things reotely and get the there where u are atm. So u could be in any system at the region and buy the things and get the at the place u are - without the need to fly to Jita. but that would make many ppl sick cuz they trained trading and so on and the game becamae a diffrent ballance. There are many troubles with that - but telling ppl they shouldnt go to the main trading system if they want avoid client crashes is just sick. We pay, we want, and we deserve. Remeber - we all are equial but some are more equial than others ---- that MUST NOT BE. I want a bazar and CCP the hell have to offer me it in the same way they offer to others. So there must be a system capeable of holding 1000+ players without lag. My 2 cents are off. Fly safe
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SoftRevolution
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Posted - 2007.10.06 18:54:00 -
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What if you didn't actually have to go to Jita to buy / sell?
Like what if you could have items delivered to and from Jita to neighbouring systems automagically?
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Occara
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Posted - 2007.10.06 18:56:00 -
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Do like asheron's call did with arwic. Just nuke it out of existence during downtime.
if you have items there, too bad. nuke it! ;)
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Major Dim
Caldari
RUS HOLDING
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Posted - 2007.10.06 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: SoftRevolution
What if you didn't actually have to go to Jita to buy / sell?
Like what if you could have items delivered to and from Jita to neighbouring systems automagically?
Thats my thought that i offered just above - introduce a skill like FAR TRADING htat would make u be albe to buy things in a REGION and get them delivered to the place u are.
Would make life much more easy.
But i see the problems here - the pirates would have much less to shoot if i could buy things from HEK system directly in Konora. Its a ballance issue but i am sure there must be a way round like introducing a tax for the range or somethin simmilar
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Neena Valdi
Art of War
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.10.06 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Arric Rohr
Here is my Jita fix idea:
Put a border of low sec systems between each empire. Make sure there are several alternate routes through to make lag less and camping more difficult, but not impossible.
If it isn't possible to afk autopilot from Stacmon to Jita, other hub markets will form.
There is even a storyline boost to the factional warfare thing that is coming sometime.
Easy fix that doesn't require lots of special changes.
AR
It won't fix anything. Another Jita will formup in another suitable system. Thats it.
Agree with most ideas given by OP, tho.
Also CCP really need to consider making a global market. Predesign N amount of systems in EVE as trade-hubs and connect their markets into a network. Make it so if you buy an item from another tradehub you can "order" an NPC-driven delivery for a small fee (1-5% or something like that).
Do same for contracts placed in those "special" systems.
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Necronomicon
Caldari
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.06 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Zosana
Originally by: Necronomicon
Originally by: IKEELYOU
Alternative solution: don't go to Jita.
Yes alt, lets all not go to Jita, not buy anything, and never undock just like you ;)
Yup I'm an alt, great argument!
No, there are other commercial centers besides Jita and nothing forcing you to go there. If anything there should be an "avoid Jita" option on the autopilot.
The problem with your argument is that I want to buy something at the price I want to pay, for example.
Vindicator in Jita 820 mill
Vindicator in Kor Azor 900 Mill
So you expect someone to travel an extra 20 jumps to pickup a ship 80 million more expensive? I like your logic.
It is like saying "Well ofc it is busy in town and at the supermarket as they have everythign you need at good prices, if you drive 50 miles out into the sticks, I am sure you can find a village shop that will sell half of what you need at twice the price."
Carlsberg dont make Eve Pilots, but if they did, i wouldnt be one of them.
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Xilimyth Derlin
OldBastardsPub
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.06 19:05:00 -
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The solution: Get industrialists like-minded to myself to actually sell their goods outside of Jita AT JITA prices!
That's the best solution.
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Necronomicon
Caldari
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.06 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Xilimyth Derlin
The solution: Get industrialists like-minded to myself to actually sell their goods outside of Jita AT JITA prices!
That's the best solution.
Never gonna happen, you know as well as I do that economics dont work like that, the village shop analogy works quite well. The shop can charge a lot more than the supermarket as it is 50 miles out in the sticks, so the local village has a choice....pay the extra, or spend 2 hours and fuel to go to town.
All that will happen is that your stock will be bought out and resold at a higher price.
Carlsberg dont make Eve Pilots, but if they did, i wouldnt be one of them.
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Arii Smith
Caldari
StarHunt
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.10.06 19:23:00 -
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http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=608927
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Snake Doctor
Paradox v2.0
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Posted - 2007.10.06 19:29:00 -
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I'd love to hear Dr. EyJog's view of how the Jita market works.
Stop whining. Just don't go to Jita if you don't like it. There's your fix.
Rifter Flight Manual! |
Audio Bully
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Posted - 2007.10.06 19:31:00 -
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dont go to jita x 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
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The Scope
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Posted - 2007.10.06 19:37:00 -
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Quote:
2. Make a new security rating of 1.1, concord's premiere security, outside of war, any vessel opening fire is instabbqd before they are even able to hit the target vessel - This will root out the alt corp suiciders who snag up the stations, and also reduce clutter at the gates.
ahaa
you are just another victim !
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Hie Loe
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Posted - 2007.10.06 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: Neena Valdi
Originally by: Arric Rohr
Here is my Jita fix idea:
Put a border of low sec systems between each empire. Make sure there are several alternate routes through to make lag less and camping more difficult, but not impossible.
If it isn't possible to afk autopilot from Stacmon to Jita, other hub markets will form.
There is even a storyline boost to the factional warfare thing that is coming sometime.
Easy fix that doesn't require lots of special changes.
AR
It won't fix anything. Another Jita will formup in another suitable system. Thats it.
Wouldn't four Jita's have to form, one in each empire, the way it "ought" to be? Wouldn't that be better? Also, wouldn't traders who have the guts to cross the borders be able to make more on items that are only sold in certain systems?
I think this is an excellent idea.
Hie
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Alyth
Gallente
Ma-Ven Industries
Phobos Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.06 20:16:00 -
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Personally I like this fix better:
1) Go to Niyabainen
2) Buy stuff from Naga on the cheap
3) ????
4) Profit!
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Silver Night
Caldari
Intergalactic Combined Technologies
THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2007.10.06 20:29:00 -
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I really like the empires being separated by low sec idea.Only potential problem is that instead of separating people more, it may concentrate them all in Caldari space (Everyone knows Caldari space is the best :) ) Having things like manufacturing materials(mins, moons, rig parts) and datacores separated more by empire might mitigate this some, not to mention encouraging more cross-empire trade. Of course, there already is some separation.
As for the people that say don't go to Jita: You are being unrealistic. It is the best place to get things, and people aren't going to do it. So why keep spamming the thread with it?
I think perhaps instead of a hard limit on sell orders, maybe a scaling tax system. Orders are taxed more as there are more orders in a given station. That would give an incentive for people to spread out, and they would stay in the same area for convenience.
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Director.
GLS Mr. State
Caldari Patriot.
Murderer of (his own) Frigates.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.06 22:03:00 -
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REAL solution to the Jita problem
ban everyone who makes a Jita thread!
jita population will drop like crazeh!
Originally by: Akita T
No, it's a trap ! I can tell from some of the modules and from seeing quite a few traps in my time...
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Sir Bart
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.10.06 22:26:00 -
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Another one:
Jita is a war free zone. That means in Jita, you can't lock or damage poeple even if you're at war with them. Needed b/c when little empire corps war dec big empire corps, the little corps like to hang out in jita looking for easy kills... and then the war ends up breaking out in Jita and adding more lag to an already laggy system.
Really, make all highsec systems with > 200 people war free zones.
-Bart
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