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Royaldo Gallente KVA Noble Inc. Institute of Cooperative Education	Posted - 2007.10.07 21:15:00 - [91] uhm.. how the hell can you passive shield tank it when passive shield tanks ** up the cap recharge? it doesnt have a bonus to laser cap usage anymore. like hell you are gonna put a gist x-type booster on a 1b ship to pvp with it. are you **ting isk?
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.07 21:21:00 - [92] Originally by: Sanzorz Originally by: Marcathonas Stuff I admit it's a problem if you wanna use dual LAR, but you can use EANM. According to EFT and my skills I can pack a t2 lar, 2x t2 EANM, t2 DCU, t2 heatsink, 2 amarr navy hardeners (your choice) and t2 CPR. Best named normal webber and 20km scrambler. Electro injector and t2 tracking computer. Again I'm unsure if the TC is needed. You clearly dont PvP. But here is a hint. Right now you can fit on the New Nightmare with AWU 4 4xMP II, + 2 wildcards[you have about 800 pg left] MWDII, web, scram, heavy injector II, +3 wildcards LARII, LARII, EANM, EANM, DCII With Hammerhead IIs you will do 712 dps and tank really well. With Ogres/hammerheads/valks you will do 770 dps, and still tank really well. And you have full tackle, and 5 slots to dink around with for various fitting considerations with 3 slots of ewar! I.E. This fits MP II x 4, Med Nos, Med Neut MWD, Web, scram, injector, damp, damp, damp lar, lar, eanm, eanm, dc Holy good god, its got nos, neuts, damps, a full dual lar tank, and it still does over 700 dps. Its a god machine of solo-pvp. There is literally no other ship in the game that i can see beating this in a straight up fight, its going to damp them, its going to keep them at range, its going to tank what damage they can do, and its going to *****them. Or you can fit a cloak up there, 8 effective guns and a cloak! And damps, and holy god this thing is unbelievable!
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.07 21:25:00 - [93] Originally by: ThaMa Gebir I would like to see them stay as armour repairing laser whor3s. Yes I am also quite upset at the fact that if this change does actually go through my slave implants will (read; may) be totally useless, so my question is this; Will I get some implants to replace those I have currently? Or will I be stuck with those I have, not knowing that such a change will take place when I purchased them? CCP did not reimburse me for two suddenly worthless Javelin Torp BPOs either, and I am sure there are thousands of players in similar situations, so you better jump off this particular train asap. There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones
Marcathonas Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.10.07 21:29:00 - [94] Originally by: Leandro Salazar Originally by: ThaMa Gebir I would like to see them stay as armour repairing laser whor3s. Yes I am also quite upset at the fact that if this change does actually go through my slave implants will (read; may) be totally useless, so my question is this; Will I get some implants to replace those I have currently? Or will I be stuck with those I have, not knowing that such a change will take place when I purchased them? CCP did not reimburse me for two suddenly worthless Javelin Torp BPOs either, and I am sure there are thousands of players in similar situations, so you better jump off this particular train asap. Do as he says, jump off the train, sell your nightmare to me for 500mil before they devalue too much! Hint: this is comparable to your jav torp BPO transforming into a barrage M bpo. Also: lol, t2 bpo holders complaining about eve being unfair.
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.07 21:55:00 - [95] Originally by: Marcathonas Originally by: Leandro Salazar Originally by: ThaMa Gebir I would like to see them stay as armour repairing laser whor3s. Yes I am also quite upset at the fact that if this change does actually go through my slave implants will (read; may) be totally useless, so my question is this; Will I get some implants to replace those I have currently? Or will I be stuck with those I have, not knowing that such a change will take place when I purchased them? CCP did not reimburse me for two suddenly worthless Javelin Torp BPOs either, and I am sure there are thousands of players in similar situations, so you better jump off this particular train asap. Do as he says, jump off the train, sell your nightmare to me for 500mil before they devalue too much! Hint: this is comparable to your jav torp BPO transforming into a barrage M bpo. Also: lol, t2 bpo holders complaining about eve being unfair. Eh? I didn't complain, I know that's just life. Was just recommending that the guy whining about his slave implants take it in stride as well. I know that this new Nightmare if it goes life is a godsend (and the acqusition of one becoming my prime directive in EVE screws up my previous plans too lol). There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones
Ryan Scouse'UK Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.07 22:01:00 - [96] all i can say is ..remove the missle points on the mach & give it 8 turret points & more PG please!! \o/
Xequecal	Posted - 2007.10.07 22:03:00 - [97] Originally by: ThaMa Gebir Ok, while I do not disagree that it may well help a generally borked design, I do disagree at the way at how CCP have decided to tackle the problem. I am an avid fan of the current ships, yes they are nothing but split weapon, cpu short Red-Headed step-children of the faction ship groups, but I must also admit that I sincerley find them nicely unique ships. I would like to see them stay as armour repairing laser whor3s. Yes I am also quite upset at the fact that if this change does actually go through my slave implants will (read; may) be totally useless, so my question is this; Will I get some implants to replace those I have currently? Or will I be stuck with those I have, not knowing that such a change will take place when I purchased them? If the latter is true I would be most upset with CCP, I will however wait and see, but I do not like the prospect... "Yes, I realize the current design sucks for both PvP and PvE, despite this I decided to be an utter moron and spend 3+ billion ISK buying it and a set of slave implants so I could fly my terrible ship in PvP "for aesthetic purposes." And since I'm such an exquisitely special flower I demand that they accomodate my fit and purchase choices with all changes, even if that requires ******* over the entire Eve player base by leaving them with an incredibly underpowered ship." My god, how have you managed to not get blown up and podded in your "OMG l337 aesthetics" Nightmare by now? It boggles the mind.
Sanzorz Amarr EVEfan.dk	Posted - 2007.10.07 22:11:00 - [98] Originally by: Goumindong 4xMP II, + 2 wildcards[you have about 800 pg left] MWDII, web, scram, heavy injector II, +3 wildcards LARII, LARII, EANM, EANM, DCII With Hammerhead IIs you will do 712 dps and tank really well. With Ogres/hammerheads/valks you will do 770 dps, and still tank really well. And you have full tackle, and 5 slots to dink around with for various fitting considerations with 3 slots of ewar! I.E. This fits MP II x 4, Med Nos, Med Neut MWD, Web, scram, injector, damp, damp, damp lar, lar, eanm, eanm, dc Holy good god, its got nos, neuts, damps, a full dual lar tank, and it still does over 700 dps. Its a god machine of solo-pvp. There is literally no other ship in the game that i can see beating this in a straight up fight, its going to damp them, its going to keep them at range, its going to tank what damage they can do, and its going to *****them. I agree that looks damn nice, but for how long will it stand under fire? Looks like an awful lot of cap usage. ---
Xequecal	Posted - 2007.10.07 22:15:00 - [99] Quote: There is literally no other ship in the game that i can see beating this in a straight up fight, its going to damp them, its going to keep them at range, its going to tank what damage they can do, and its going to *****them. Assuming the damp nerf goes live and they only affect lock range and not lock time, a plated blasterthron will destroy this. You can't rep 1300 DPS.
Elmicker Black Sea Industries Cult of War	Posted - 2007.10.07 22:30:00 - [100] Originally by: Xequecal Assuming the damp nerf goes live and they only affect lock range and not lock time, a plated blasterthron will destroy this. You can't rep 1300 DPS. You're assuming the blasterthron manages to get in range. The fit has a web and an mwd of its own, and will certainly lock first.

J Valkor Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.10.07 22:38:00 - [101] Next PVP tourney is going to be something out of this world if this Nightmare goes live. That is a ** load of versatility combined with a ** load of DPS.
Lunch Money	Posted - 2007.10.07 22:42:00 - [102] What is funny about that ship that it gets bonus to laser dmg from .... CALDARI:) And caldari doesnt even know what laser is:P
Zosana	Posted - 2007.10.07 22:46:00 - [103] What? You've never heard of the triple RCU laser Caracal? Or the laser Raven? They pwn. Hardcore.
ThaMa Gebir Gallente Raddick Explorations Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.10.07 22:48:00 - [104] Originally by: Xequecal Originally by: ThaMa Gebir Ok, while I do not disagree that it may well help a generally borked design, I do disagree at the way at how CCP have decided to tackle the problem. I am an avid fan of the current ships, yes they are nothing but split weapon, cpu short Red-Headed step-children of the faction ship groups, but I must also admit that I sincerley find them nicely unique ships. I would like to see them stay as armour repairing laser whor3s. Yes I am also quite upset at the fact that if this change does actually go through my slave implants will (read; may) be totally useless, so my question is this; Will I get some implants to replace those I have currently? Or will I be stuck with those I have, not knowing that such a change will take place when I purchased them? If the latter is true I would be most upset with CCP, I will however wait and see, but I do not like the prospect... "Yes, I realize the current design sucks for both PvP and PvE, despite this I decided to be an utter moron and spend 3+ billion ISK buying it and a set of slave implants so I could fly my terrible ship in PvP "for aesthetic purposes." And since I'm such an exquisitely special flower I demand that they accomodate my fit and purchase choices with all changes, even if that requires ******* over the entire Eve player base by leaving them with an incredibly underpowered ship." My god, how have you managed to not get blown up and podded in your "OMG l337 aesthetics" Nightmare by now? It boggles the mind. Well, that's a convoluted assumption, yes you did just make an ass of you and me. I never said anything about owning a nightmare did I? Least I cannot find anything. What I am a littl worried about (if you really must know) is the dreadnaught I fly for popping pos's, I have bought 5 slave implants for the tank on it, a few months ago aswell, and now Sanshas are changing to shield race ships. Now through that logic it would say to me that the slave implants I HAVE ALREADY BEEN WEARING FOR A WHILE NOW MAY BE FOR SHIELD TANK OR SOMETHING EQUALLY USELESS FOR AN ARMOUR TANKING DREAD. Now, I suggest you ask exactly what the problem/situation is before you do actually reply. I agreed that it may well improve the ships that sanshas (reading comp ftw) have, but I do not necessarily agree with it in and of itself. Jumping to conclusions by such idiots as yourself are beyond insults (least within these boards). Besides I also will add that I like the ships, but do you really think I would actually throw out my cash for such a ship to get it popped in pvp? What kind of moron does that? Oh yeah, Scius. OOPS ---------------------------- Confirmed heaviest member of RDEX........ Hah, no more hijacks here.
Xanstin Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.07 22:50:00 - [105] Originally by: ThaMa Gebir What I am a littl worried about (if you really must know) is the dreadnaught I fly for popping pos's, I have bought 5 slave implants for the tank on it, a few months ago aswell, and now Sanshas are changing to shield race ships. Now through that logic it would say to me that the slave implants I HAVE ALREADY BEEN WEARING FOR A WHILE NOW MAY BE FOR SHIELD TANK OR SOMETHING EQUALLY USELESS FOR AN ARMOUR TANKING DREAD. After this statement you're basically never allowed to call anyone else stupid again, ever. It's utterly ridiculous.
ThaMa Gebir Gallente Raddick Explorations Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.10.07 22:53:00 - [106] Originally by: Xanstin Originally by: ThaMa Gebir What I am a littl worried about (if you really must know) is the dreadnaught I fly for popping pos's, I have bought 5 slave implants for the tank on it, a few months ago aswell, and now Sanshas are changing to shield race ships. Now through that logic it would say to me that the slave implants I HAVE ALREADY BEEN WEARING FOR A WHILE NOW MAY BE FOR SHIELD TANK OR SOMETHING EQUALLY USELESS FOR AN ARMOUR TANKING DREAD. After this statement you're basically never allowed to call anyone else stupid again, ever. It's utterly ridiculous. Please elaborate. ---------------------------- Confirmed heaviest member of RDEX........ Hah, no more hijacks here.
Doctor Dre	Posted - 2007.10.07 22:57:00 - [107] they robbed about 4,000 armor from it poor thing
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.07 23:13:00 - [108] Originally by: Xequecal Quote: There is literally no other ship in the game that i can see beating this in a straight up fight, its going to damp them, its going to keep them at range, its going to tank what damage they can do, and its going to *****them. Assuming the damp nerf goes live and they only affect lock range and not lock time, a plated blasterthron will destroy this. You can't rep 1300 DPS. Damp them down to 10km targeting range then swicth them to lock time as you get the range you want[about 15-20km prefered]. Then change them back to lock range. And kill the thron. Or, since this is a faction ship, spring for the domi web and dont bother changing from the damping, since you can web him outside of his lock range.
Royaldo Gallente KVA Noble Inc. Institute of Cooperative Education	Posted - 2007.10.07 23:20:00 - [109] is that with or without the cloak fitted lol im sure you will utterly crash them with the insane 700 dps
Xanstin Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.07 23:24:00 - [110] Originally by: ThaMa Gebir Please elaborate. The changes are live on sisi right now. Slaves are unchanged. TS mods are unchanged. If it were a full sansha identity rehaul, don't you think they'd have done everything in one go?

Royaldo Gallente KVA Noble Inc. Institute of Cooperative Education	Posted - 2007.10.07 23:27:00 - [111] Originally by: Xanstin Originally by: ThaMa Gebir Please elaborate. The changes are live on sisi right now. Slaves are unchanged. TS mods are unchanged. If it were a full sansha identity rehaul, don't you think they'd have done everything in one go? no not really. its ccp after all. its not like they fixed amarr in 1 go
Daelin Blackleaf No Joy Corp Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.07 23:37:00 - [112] t2 BS on the horizon and something had to be done to stop these ships becoming over-priced and relatively worthless. I'd have rather have seen faction BS reduced in cost to make them viable for RP corps representing that faction and for factional warfare, perhaps even to pave the way for introducing a full range of ships for the pirate corps to rival the line-ups of the empires. These are great improvements, something had to be done with t2 BS coming. However I guess this spells the end for any kind of realistic faction warfare for the pirate factions.
ThaMa Gebir Gallente Raddick Explorations Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.10.07 23:51:00 - [113] Originally by: Royaldo Originally by: Xanstin Originally by: ThaMa Gebir Please elaborate. The changes are live on sisi right now. Slaves are unchanged. TS mods are unchanged. If it were a full sansha identity rehaul, don't you think they'd have done everything in one go? no not really. its ccp after all. its not like they fixed amarr in 1 go What he said, but I also refer you to my previous post with regards to this subject, "I will have to wait and see, but I do not like the prospect" ---------------------------- Confirmed heaviest member of RDEX........ Hah, no more hijacks here.
Lisento Slaven Amarr BAD ATTITUDES	Posted - 2007.10.07 23:56:00 - [114] I just want to know why Caldari BS skill gives you an energy turret damage bonus. As far as I know being good at Caldari Battleships doesn't make you good at shooting lasers. Or is EVE stepping away from those sorts of restrictions now? --- Put in space whales!
Mingus Dew Rochestoners	Posted - 2007.10.08 00:44:00 - [115] Originally by: Lisento Slaven I just want to know why Caldari BS skill gives you an energy turret damage bonus. As far as I know being good at Caldari Battleships doesn't make you good at shooting lasers. Or is EVE stepping away from those sorts of restrictions now? Well it's on the test server so they may have just thrown it in without much review just to see what the bonuses worked like. But I hear ya, if anythin it should be dmg for amarr skill and tracking for the caldari skill. Caldari use turrets also and from a rp perspetive their the ew/electronics kings so they could spin it as having better tracking computers n such,,, Mingus
Cosmo Raata Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.08 02:26:00 - [116] Best Fix by CCP in a very long time, hands down!! Please CCP, port this idea over to Amarr & fix the race! Don't Ban me for my Love of Amarr!
Lord Berk Amarr	Posted - 2007.10.08 02:34:00 - [117] I think everyone is missing the REAL issue of importance about the new Nightmare here: Does it still have it's headlight??? -------------------------------- Nice Apoc! Going mining?
Xequecal	Posted - 2007.10.08 02:44:00 - [118] Originally by: Lisento Slaven I just want to know why Caldari BS skill gives you an energy turret damage bonus. As far as I know being good at Caldari Battleships doesn't make you good at shooting lasers. Or is EVE stepping away from those sorts of restrictions now? Probably to entice people to actually train Caldari Battleship up to use the ship. People would leave it at like 2 or 3 if the Caldari bonus was the tracking one, and just focus on Amarr Battleship.
Alt 363	Posted - 2007.10.08 03:16:00 - [119] Originally by: Cosmo Raata Best Fix by CCP in a very long time, hands down!! Please CCP, port this idea over to Amarr & fix the race! Yes, please make Amarr overpowered.
Subruz	Posted - 2007.10.08 04:44:00 - [120] Nice, seems like the Caldari Battleship skill now has a use in solo PvP! Too bad it's nowhere near a Caldari ship....



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