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Xaarist FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.07 08:16:00 - [1] NERF them MORE!!! FFS. why? a raven with 2 stabs is still able to rat perfectly fine and avoid being locked down by the most ships. it can fit a cloak as well which does not take away any firing capability. cloak + stabs = ISK for the farmers. it is so pathetic one could come to think it is intentional by CCP. a ship with WCS should be able to ONLY travel safer, and not being able TO LOCK ANYTHING. ---------------- Your signature image exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie
Sidephex The Burning Orphans Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.10.07 08:23:00 - [2] /signed
Ogul Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.07 08:28:00 - [3] Just use one of your titans to doomsday them if you care so much... --- This is a war declaration, issued from your alt corp. It is used to gank people in high sec.
goodby4u Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.07 08:34:00 - [4] Stabs+cloak...HOW THE HELL DOES HE LOCK??? __________________________________________ Yes it is great being amarr. I am minmatar,fly amarr,use gellente drones and am in caldari space.
Zendoc InQuest Ascension R i s e	Posted - 2007.10.07 08:36:00 - [5] He's locking Rats. It might take 30 seconds but he is invulnerable to ganking.
Allestin Villimar	Posted - 2007.10.07 08:38:00 - [6] Yeah, because using 3 modules that all have horrible affects on your combat abilities just by being equipped to overcome your 1 that keeps them in place is so terribly overpowered. Especially when the only downside to your module is some minor cap loss when it's activated. To me, warp scramblers are far too effective, and should have a system something like what target jammers currently are. That way, even ships stabbed to hell and back can be scrambled by a dedicated ship (just like they can now using 2 +2 strength scramblers), and you won't have any old ship preventing you from leaving if you have a WCS fitted. I can solo gate camp in a drake and not worry if a battleship pops in, even with the gate guns. That should tell you something about the terrible side effects of using a scrambler in place of other mods. Well, that, and the drake's a tad too tanky for a BC. Besides, I can't even imagine fighting with a cloak and multiple stabs. You'd take a minute to target a BS alone, not to mention something smaller. If a pvp target managed to catch you you'd be dead before you could even lock them, assuming they ever got into your lock range.
hellsknights Hells Angels Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.07 08:38:00 - [7] Edited by: hellsknights on 07/10/2007 08:39:00 Must take a very long time to lcok but i have to say who cares..... If he choses to use these items so be it fit more points or move on. Are you just angry cause your losing the war, perhaps? recruitment thread Join channel Hells Angels Inc
goodby4u Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.07 08:38:00 - [8] Originally by: Zendoc He's locking Rats. It might take 30 seconds but he is invulnerable to ganking. He could be invulnerable anyways,most of them log off as soon as a new guy jumps in local,atleast thats my experience trying to kill them. __________________________________________ Yes it is great being amarr. I am minmatar,fly amarr,use gellente drones and am in caldari space.
Laboratus Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.10.07 08:40:00 - [9] Ravens don't need to lock anything to rat. Just fire FOF cruise and go afk. ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
goodby4u Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.07 08:40:00 - [10] Originally by: Laboratus Ravens don't need to lock anything to rat. Just fire FOF cruise and go afk. FOFs dont fire past locking range. __________________________________________ Yes it is great being amarr. I am minmatar,fly amarr,use gellente drones and am in caldari space.
Aramendel Amarr North Face Force	Posted - 2007.10.07 08:44:00 - [11] They do. Test it before talking crap.
hellsknights Hells Angels Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.07 08:48:00 - [12] Originally by: Aramendel They do. Test it before talking crap. Smacked and owned recruitment thread Join channel Hells Angels Inc
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.07 09:26:00 - [13] Really, if someone wants to neuter his isk/hour by fitting stabs and/or using fof cruise, let him. Ratting with that kind of setup prolly nets less than running L3s in highsec. There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones
Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2007.10.07 09:42:00 - [14] Originally by: Xaarist NERF them MORE!!! FFS. why? a raven with 2 stabs is still able to rat perfectly fine and avoid being locked down by the most ships. it can fit a cloak as well which does not take away any firing capability. cloak + stabs = ISK for the farmers. it is so pathetic one could come to think it is intentional by CCP. a ship with WCS should be able to ONLY travel safer, and not being able TO LOCK ANYTHING. Use a dictor you whiner... isn't it funny how some people advocate both GTC<=>ISK trades and EVE being superior due to its cruelty and costly losses, when they use the former to circumvent the latter?
Laboratus Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.10.07 10:06:00 - [15] Originally by: Leandro Salazar Really, if someone wants to neuter his isk/hour by fitting stabs and/or using fof cruise, let him. Ratting with that kind of setup prolly nets less than running L3s in highsec. You can do Lvl 4s afk in a raven with fofs. Most of the time goes into finding the good spawns anyway, so using 33% more time on killing them matters little... ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
Xaarist FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.07 10:06:00 - [16] Edited by: Xaarist on 07/10/2007 10:07:00 Originally by: Lazuran Originally by: Xaarist NERF them MORE!!! FFS. why? a raven with 2 stabs is still able to rat perfectly fine and avoid being locked down by the most ships. it can fit a cloak as well which does not take away any firing capability. cloak + stabs = ISK for the farmers. it is so pathetic one could come to think it is intentional by CCP. a ship with WCS should be able to ONLY travel safer, and not being able TO LOCK ANYTHING. Use a dictor you whiner... dude, ppl that are always aligned and hitting scanner tend to run from dictors. it's hard enough to catch them farmers without your witty comments. ---------------- Your signature image exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.07 10:15:00 - [17] Originally by: Laboratus Originally by: Leandro Salazar Really, if someone wants to neuter his isk/hour by fitting stabs and/or using fof cruise, let him. Ratting with that kind of setup prolly nets less than running L3s in highsec. You can do Lvl 4s afk in a raven with fofs. Yeah and earn what interactive people do with L2s :P Quote: Most of the time goes into finding the good spawns anyway, so using 33% more time on killing them matters little... True enough, you spend as much time warping as fighting, but it still gimps your earnings to a point where it imho becomes not worth it. Except for farmers, but there the problem is not the WCS, it is the existance of farmers. There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones
Laboratus Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.10.07 10:34:00 - [18] afk isk means you can earn and pvp at the same time... ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2007.10.07 10:42:00 - [19] Originally by: Xaarist dude, ppl that are always aligned and hitting scanner tend to run from dictors. it's hard enough to catch them farmers without your witty comments. If they are aligned and you can't catch them with a dictor, you couldn't catch them without WCS either. If you think you could catch them with a fast Interceptor, just fit a Stiletto with 3 x 2 points. Problem solved. isn't it funny how some people advocate both GTC<=>ISK trades and EVE being superior due to its cruelty and costly losses, when they use the former to circumvent the latter?
Laboratus Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.10.07 10:53:00 - [20] Originally by: Lazuran Originally by: Xaarist dude, ppl that are always aligned and hitting scanner tend to run from dictors. it's hard enough to catch them farmers without your witty comments. If they are aligned and you can't catch them with a dictor, you couldn't catch them without WCS either. If you think you could catch them with a fast Interceptor, just fit a Stiletto with 3 x 2 points. Problem solved. qft ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.10.07 11:00:00 - [21] Originally by: goodby4u Originally by: Laboratus Ravens don't need to lock anything to rat. Just fire FOF cruise and go afk. FOFs dont fire past locking range. FoFs have their own locking range, of 80km. They do not go past this range. Which means pretty much any rats, will close, fire and be valid FoF targets. 4 stab FoF drake FTW :) -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking? GMP and TNP
Caldorous Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.07 13:50:00 - [22] Afaik, the wcs nerf was for the ppl who used the ship in pvp. They use wcs while ratting? i think it's perfectly fine -----------------------------
WildSide Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.10.07 14:40:00 - [23] 2 stabs +1 cloak and a sensorbooster t2 is more or less standard setup for the farmers. Also I rarly see em use cruisers so i doubt they got fofs, all the ones I ganked used torps as they are anyway chaining the battleships. also if u gank a farmer hauler alt u prob find torps....lots of torps. _______________________________ Vids produced by me
Alyth Gallente Ma-Ven Industries Phobos Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.07 15:07:00 - [24] Originally by: Xaarist NERF them MORE!!! FFS. why? a raven with 2 stabs is still able to rat perfectly fine and avoid being locked down by the most ships. it can fit a cloak as well which does not take away any firing capability. cloak + stabs = ISK for the farmers. it is so pathetic one could come to think it is intentional by CCP. a ship with WCS should be able to ONLY travel safer, and not being able TO LOCK ANYTHING. Three inties with one point each, preferably Crows (so you can attack his weak resist) = dead NPCer if he doesn't cloak as soon as you enter the system. Even if they can't take him they can lock him down for support to kick his backside.
Sullek	Posted - 2007.10.07 16:17:00 - [25] Originally by: Xaarist NERF them MORE!!! FFS. why? a raven with 2 stabs is still able to rat perfectly fine and avoid being locked down by the most ships. it can fit a cloak as well which does not take away any firing capability. cloak + stabs = ISK for the farmers. it is so pathetic one could come to think it is intentional by CCP. a ship with WCS should be able to ONLY travel safer, and not being able TO LOCK ANYTHING. I take it math isn't one of your strong points. Best warp stabilizer is 1 warp strength. Common Warp scramblers are 2 strength, commander scramblers are 3 strength. It is much easier to stop a ship from warping than it is to ensure you can warp. If you are too tight you could always do what BoB does best, bring 3 people to do the job of one person. ;)
Yosarian Manth Caldari Divinity Unbound	Posted - 2007.10.07 16:20:00 - [26] Warp Core stabs have saved my newbie ass a couple of times from gate camps (obviously super leet players). I don't bother any more, they're just impractical.
Rawr Cristina Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.07 17:37:00 - [27] Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 07/10/2007 17:37:08 WCS have already been nerfed to oblivion. NOBODY uses them on Combat setups anymore except perhaps first-time PvPers, and that's how it should be, really. I honestly didnt mind the times when everyone fit WCS on everything, because they'd be next to worthless against an equal ship. Now people just fit for speed instead -----
d026 THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.07 17:43:00 - [28] Originally by: Xaarist NERF them MORE!!! FFS. why? a raven with 2 stabs is still able to rat perfectly fine and avoid being locked down by the most ships. it can fit a cloak as well which does not take away any firing capability. cloak + stabs = ISK for the farmers. it is so pathetic one could come to think it is intentional by CCP. a ship with WCS should be able to ONLY travel safer, and not being able TO LOCK ANYTHING. lol 25k lock range + 30mm scann resolution with 2 wcs is quite a drawback mate.. fit more points
Ratuu	Posted - 2007.10.07 18:46:00 - [29] I take it you can't figure a way to hold down a ratter. May I suggest you try bringing a friend. People asked for wcs to be nerfed, so they were. Now you're whining because you still can't get your way. Why shouldn't he escape if he is fit to do so? It makes perfect sense to me. Don't like it? Bring the afore-mentioned friend. Just because you can't figure a way to kill your target, doesn't mean all of Eve should be nerfed until you just have to warp in and press F1-F8 to get your kills.
Zaethiel Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.10.07 18:54:00 - [30] Originally by: Xaarist NERF them MORE!!! FFS. why? a raven with 2 stabs is still able to rat perfectly fine and avoid being locked down by the most ships. it can fit a cloak as well which does not take away any firing capability. cloak + stabs = ISK for the farmers. it is so pathetic one could come to think it is intentional by CCP. a ship with WCS should be able to ONLY travel safer, and not being able TO LOCK ANYTHING. Meh Ctrl + Q is a bigger problem. I enter local and poof everyone in local is instantly gone. -------------------------- Piwate Bunny Wuv
Rawr Cristina Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.07 18:56:00 - [31] Originally by: Zaethiel Originally by: Xaarist NERF them MORE!!! FFS. why? a raven with 2 stabs is still able to rat perfectly fine and avoid being locked down by the most ships. it can fit a cloak as well which does not take away any firing capability. cloak + stabs = ISK for the farmers. it is so pathetic one could come to think it is intentional by CCP. a ship with WCS should be able to ONLY travel safer, and not being able TO LOCK ANYTHING. Meh Ctrl + Q is a bigger problem. I enter local and poof everyone in local is instantly gone. local does need nerfing, yes -----
JoeSomebody No Trademark	Posted - 2007.10.07 19:13:00 - [32] Edited by: JoeSomebody on 07/10/2007 19:13:43 Originally by: Rawr Cristina Originally by: Zaethiel Originally by: Xaarist NERF them MORE!!! FFS. why? a raven with 2 stabs is still able to rat perfectly fine and avoid being locked down by the most ships. it can fit a cloak as well which does not take away any firing capability. cloak + stabs = ISK for the farmers. it is so pathetic one could come to think it is intentional by CCP. a ship with WCS should be able to ONLY travel safer, and not being able TO LOCK ANYTHING. Meh Ctrl + Q is a bigger problem. I enter local and poof everyone in local is instantly gone. local does need nerfing, yes easy solution to that is to not leave local... they play logoff games with you - you play afk cloaker game with them... you will win every time.
zeamiun	Posted - 2007.10.07 21:42:00 - [33] I see bob is letting a lot of nubs in. Goin down hill from here I see. I don't know why you think stabs are the problem. Stabs were designed so people who didnt want to fight could avoid it, when they were nerfed to uselessness for combat which was the point it was buffed for the others who fit it, because now people had no need to carry a full rack of disruptors. To add now people fit speed setups instead which are even more immune to being caught then stabs ever were (except maybe stabageddons and the like). Thats why the vaga was so powerful speed AND stabs. If CCP had any sense they would have made stabs nerf speed and align time. (eg add mass). Anyway stabs arnt half the problem: Alignment: you will never catch a ratter who is always aligned Scanner: You can't warp cloaked in a dictor and thus an aligned ratter will always see you coming You will never ever catch a competant ratter as long as you can align. Cntrl+q: Puts a timer on the time it takes you to scan him out so you can't grief somone for more then 15 minutes. Cloaking device: Who cares about not being seen aspect, cloaking device makes it so you can't be scanned. This is by far the best ratting tool ever, stabs aint got nothing on this. Even without a cloaking device you can just warp to a pos instead same effect. Stabs: Won't stop you from getting bubbled, wont stop an arazu from getting you, won't stop an inty from getting you, will stop a casual pirate from getting you. Anyway don't be such a nubbin, just beacuse you are in bob and ccp is at your beckon call doesn't mean you need to go and ask them to make your life any easier. It's complete bull** that you think you should be able to catch and kill anyone anywhere and ruin their fun for a while. It's even more bull** that you think the game should be catered to you. Now because im a nice guy let me give you some help: 1. cloaked arazu wiating in belt 2. anchored bubble + cloaked ship 3. afk cloaked ship in local 4. watch target in cov ops cloak to learn behaivor Ravens align slow as hell so you should easily be able to point one who is warping into you, or dictor one. Have some patience. You shouldn't be able to warp in and have things warp to you and you subsequently press I win buttons. Eve is pretty lopsided any engagement you don't choose is likly to end in your death, therefore it should be relativly easy to not engage people.
Rollotamasi	Posted - 2007.10.07 22:00:00 - [34] Instead of ganking people doing missions why don't you just go look for a real challenge? It kinda sounds to me that you are whining that you can't get easy kills.
Boonaki Caldari Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.10.08 06:59:00 - [35] Why doesn't the farmer use FOF missiles, all stabs, and a cloak. Doesn't need to lock anything. Fear the Ibis of doom! 113
Ampoliros Shadow Company FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2007.10.08 07:32:00 - [36] ye gods, everyone needs to leave the CAOD crap and other tinfoilery in CAOD Stabs aren't the problem, they have their drawbacks and they don't make you immune to bubbling, the problem is how insanely easy it is to logoffski and/or cloak and wait the whole thing out, both of which could be easily fixed. ------------------------------------ My statements are not those of my corp or of my alliance, nor anyone else. [Insert witty comment here]
Doxs Roxs White Wolves Defence league The OSS	Posted - 2007.10.08 09:14:00 - [37] Originally by: Xaarist NERF them MORE!!! FFS. why? a raven with 2 stabs is still able to rat perfectly fine and avoid being locked down by the most ships. it can fit a cloak as well which does not take away any firing capability. cloak + stabs = ISK for the farmers. it is so pathetic one could come to think it is intentional by CCP. a ship with WCS should be able to ONLY travel safer, and not being able TO LOCK ANYTHING. Your pathetic rant tells us more about your abilities then the guy you are complaining about. You have 2 simple choices, bring an interdictor and bubble him or bring more points... Its not rocket science. Regards /Doxs After 9 months of being a "!" face, I now discover that Im butt ugly instead...
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2007.10.08 10:10:00 - [38] Did I just read this topic as 'I want to gank more NPCers in 0.0'? Go find some real fights, and stop moaning about people who don't want to PvP being able to fit to avoid it. If it's that bad a problem, take a dictor, or more points of tackle. Play the game instead of playing the forums. Scrapheap Challenge Forums
MITSUK0	Posted - 2007.10.08 10:20:00 - [39] HOW I MINE FOR FISH? Say that in local and you will blend right in, then you can spring the gank on the unsuspecting ebil T1 fitted ratting raven with a 12 point lachesis...
E Vile	Posted - 2007.10.08 11:04:00 - [40] I hate the super magic escape button cntrl Q is. Reminds me of the ***-o times I had warping after a certain freighter. Insta warp escaping is very cheesefilled. Please get rid of that escape tactic option. "The key to immortality is to first live a life worth remembering."
Soros 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.10.08 11:08:00 - [41] Originally by: Zaethiel Originally by: Xaarist NERF them MORE!!! FFS. why? a raven with 2 stabs is still able to rat perfectly fine and avoid being locked down by the most ships. it can fit a cloak as well which does not take away any firing capability. cloak + stabs = ISK for the farmers. it is so pathetic one could come to think it is intentional by CCP. a ship with WCS should be able to ONLY travel safer, and not being able TO LOCK ANYTHING. Meh Ctrl + Q is a bigger problem. I enter local and poof everyone in local is instantly gone. word.
Revenge 1	Posted - 2007.10.08 11:38:00 - [42] Originally by: Xaarist NERF them MORE!!! FFS. why? a raven with 2 stabs is still able to rat perfectly fine and avoid being locked down by the most ships. it can fit a cloak as well which does not take away any firing capability. cloak + stabs = ISK for the farmers. it is so pathetic one could come to think it is intentional by CCP. a ship with WCS should be able to ONLY travel safer, and not being able TO LOCK ANYTHING. Guess you've never needed 6 points to lock down a sniper before the nerf bat swung.
Grendelsbane	Posted - 2007.10.08 17:43:00 - [43] Warp Core Stab nerf is silly to begin with. You already give up low slot space that could be used for DPS, tanking, or cargo space - it's called "opportunity cost". Without the nerf it would be harder to pin people down since more people would run them, but you'd still have more PvP going on because people would be more willing to try hit and run raids. PvP is pretty much all or nothing, as it stands now. Plus.. let's not forget those giant mobile warp disruptor bubbles.
Soultaker Angel	Posted - 2007.10.08 17:45:00 - [44] Hey Hey.... !! This post already died! Stop bringing back again and again Stupid is the one that write under me
Kurogauna	Posted - 2007.10.08 20:00:00 - [45] Edited by: Kurogauna on 08/10/2007 20:00:20 /signed - The stupid one
Ogdru Jahad Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.10.08 20:03:00 - [46] Originally by: Xaarist Edited by: Xaarist on 07/10/2007 10:07:00 Originally by: Lazuran Originally by: Xaarist NERF them MORE!!! FFS. why? a raven with 2 stabs is still able to rat perfectly fine and avoid being locked down by the most ships. it can fit a cloak as well which does not take away any firing capability. cloak + stabs = ISK for the farmers. it is so pathetic one could come to think it is intentional by CCP. a ship with WCS should be able to ONLY travel safer, and not being able TO LOCK ANYTHING. Use a dictor you whiner... dude, ppl that are always aligned and hitting scanner tend to run from dictors. it's hard enough to catch them farmers without your witty comments. Lets see shall wee? recon ship warps in... sees said ship ratting and aligned. he positions him self INFRONT of said ratter... then moves towards him. by the time the said ratter could do anything , said recon pilot has bumped said alaigned ship off of warping out. IF the recon ship is a Gallante ship he can then lock him down with 3 or four points and sensore dampen him MORE! end result should be dead ratter when the bob gank squad comes along. - At last the Gallente can finally lay claim to saying... "my DICtor" is bigger than yours.
Lunch Money	Posted - 2007.10.08 21:39:00 - [47] /signed
Laboratus Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.10.08 21:58:00 - [48] If wcs fitted ships are a problem to you, you should really consider moving back to empire and learn to play. ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
Nicocat Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.08 22:27:00 - [49] Why is BoB trying to nerf their industrial wings? ---------------- Originally by: Splagada SEED ME DADDY Down with alts! One character per account per IP!
Mymh Heretache	Posted - 2007.10.09 00:59:00 - [50] Seen quite a bit of those in BOB space.. you know they're there just to farm ISK, you also know they don't engage in combat, ever. Shooting them down is not the only solution. I had one of those in a system I used to frequent to earn my pvp money. She aligned, and used cloak. I had no recon nearby but I picked up a regular cloak, warped in, scanned her down to belt #10 of 20, warped to belt 13, cloaked, waited. A few mins later she warps in, aligns. I decloak and start target, of course I can't make it, I'm just checking the behaviour.. and I got her safespot pinned down. She logs off, I start rat and just wait for her to come back. She logs in, warps to belt and start rat, I see her on scanner. Warps to her belt, she warps off instantly. I kept doing this for a few days and after a while she swapped system. She was no threat to me, neither to anyone else, all she did was making profit off things that I couldn't kill myself anyway - and I was able to force her away. I couldn't care less in that case as it was BOB space, and in your situation, if your space is so precious - you should consider to either not take as much space if you can't control it (learn from the Roman empire), or you just do what other people suggested here: bring friends. It's not hard to keep those people out of your systems. And it's not hard for them to find systems where it's a pain to keep them away. Guess why they are doing it? ;) They pose no threat (pvp wise), and not much isk-wise either. Wcs is fine, if anything they need to be buffed. Keeping 5-6 on a BS and still failing to get through a lowsec camp with 4 ships is ridicilous, still it happens. That's what wcs was made for and should work for. Camping is honestly ruining a major portion (of the pvp) of this game.
Futher Bezluden Minmatar ORIGIN SYSTEMS Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.09 03:34:00 - [51] When will CCP make use of the ill-defined "Propulsion Strength". THUKKER -Be Paranoid
Atius Tirawa Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.09 08:19:00 - [52] The nerf should be something like: No offensive mods may be online when using at WCS. So Speed fittings = yes, but ECCM mods (damps, TDs ect.) and Turrets and Bays should automatically be offline when using them. But then again. . .its never going to happen.
Rennard Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2007.10.09 12:35:00 - [53] Very Very Good Idea.
VaderDSL Caldari Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.10.09 13:01:00 - [54] Arazu/Lachesis + Recon 5 + 2* Domination Warp Scramblers + Sensor Boosters = 22km 4 points for virtually no cap use or ISK.
Jaketh Ivanes Amarr Do Or Die And Live Or Try	Posted - 2007.10.09 13:22:00 - [55] Originally by: Xaarist NERF them MORE!!! FFS. why? a raven with 2 stabs is still able to rat perfectly fine and avoid being locked down by the most ships. it can fit a cloak as well which does not take away any firing capability. cloak + stabs = ISK for the farmers. it is so pathetic one could come to think it is intentional by CCP. a ship with WCS should be able to ONLY travel safer, and not being able TO LOCK ANYTHING. WCS Nerf was against pirate snipers 200km from a gate. Not against ratters. You just failed to catch him, not WCS fault that you expect him not to have any.
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.10.09 13:25:00 - [56] Originally by: James Lyrus Originally by: goodby4u Originally by: Laboratus Ravens don't need to lock anything to rat. Just fire FOF cruise and go afk. FOFs dont fire past locking range. FoFs have their own locking range, of 80km. They do not go past this range. Which means pretty much any rats, will close, fire and be valid FoF targets. 4 stab FoF drake FTW :) lol, yeah Wins after like 15 minutes Drake with no BCS has crap DPS. A drake with as many as it can fit and still tank is still pretty crappy DPS. ----------- Support fixing the EVE UI
Del Narveux Dukes of Hazard	Posted - 2007.10.09 13:58:00 - [57] WCS and scrambling is way too mickey mouse, it needs to be totally redone. _________________ [SAK] Alumnus--And Proud Of It! -- aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base? Originally by: Wrangler Well, at least we have forum PvP..
Arkyk Viper Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.10.09 14:00:00 - [58] A WCS prevented someone from being disrupted?? This is clearly a serious bug. ---------------- Mostly harmless.
Akat Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.10.09 14:28:00 - [59] Its not nearly as bad compared to before the nerf. Back then, it was not uncommon to see some "farmers" packing 3-5 wcs. Now, when I specifically hunt said "farmers" I fly a ship that can fit -3 and they are as good as dead IF they don't run and cloak first. I do agree that wcs do not belong on any combat ship and nerfing them further would do just that. However, I don't think nerfing wcs again would do too much good in catching these "farmers." Mainly because they are ALWAYS aligned to a ss and they will run when anyone enters local, regardless. I'd rather see local chat "adjusted" in a way to make it less of a tactical tool. As it stands, these "farmers" are pretty much untouchable unless they get*****y, aren't paying attention, or you enter local and pin their belt (as they are dropping out of warp on the next belt) with flawless timing.

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