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DJTheBaron
Caldari THE INQUISITI0N
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Posted - 2007.10.14 09:44:00 -
[1141]
40 pages in 4 days
Yarrrrr? ___________ "The Views & Opinions Expressed In This Post Represent Those of My Former Corporation & Alliance. So Go **** Yourself" DJTheBaron: Former FATAL Alliance Diplomat |
Lucre
STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.14 11:55:00 -
[1142]
Originally by: Devoras2 STK was among those to bail out first from Ascenia with their stuff. Oh, i bet you guys still have loads off stuff in Stain, just lying around for the victorious return to Feyth once the pets are kicked out. And during the ASCN times, prices wasnt exactly 10% cheaper then Empire prices, as pr rule set by CYVOK huh? During the war they were set sky high. So much for the production help.
My congratulations on getting quite so many lies or inaccuracies into one post.
Our valuables (those which would fit in my carrier) weren't evacuated out of AZN until it was under total siege and ASCN resistance had evaporated. (And yes, that was one scary undock). Ditto our T2 bpo's in EPR (props to badfish for honesty and integrity with a 300+ billion cargo!).
As for the prices, truly you excel yourself in talking tosh. The rule set by CYVOK was not more than 10% HIGHER than Empire prices, not lower. And that only applied to T1 anyway.
But regardless of the fact we could have charged more, we didn't. I was effectively the STK AZN station and sales manager during the war and I know what prices I was charging. Modules and interceptors went up at Jita prices (and yes, I did check them every time). T2 cruisers went up at Jita +10% because of the carrier space they took. Whilst dictors went up at Jita MINUS 25% or so because we wanted people to feel better able to risk them. Oh and BS? They went up for something like 25% BELOW cost price - and at the end of the war we still had around 40 unsold BS in AZN. (BoB may remember the AZN lemming charges - that was us working through some of this stockpile!) And none of that counts the 425 rails and covops cloaks that were going to alliance at cost price (which cost us billions but it was for the cause) or the T1 frigs and modules we donated in bulk to DS1 for their carrier ops.
And then long after the event, weasels like you come along with your insulting myths and lies. Well, I know what prices we charged. As do the many grateful people who came to AZN to replace gear and were happy to pay so little for it.
There probably were profiteers there. And of course CCP never did provide any way of stopping hostiles from manipulating the market - indeed they still boast about how easily people can do it. But you can take your accusations about STK profiteering and, quite frankly, shove them where the sun is occluded! |
Devoras2
Amarr KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.14 15:35:00 -
[1143]
Originally by: Lucre
Originally by: Devoras2 STK was among those to bail out first from Ascenia with their stuff. Oh, i bet you guys still have loads off stuff in Stain, just lying around for the victorious return to Feyth once the pets are kicked out. And during the ASCN times, prices wasnt exactly 10% cheaper then Empire prices, as pr rule set by CYVOK huh? During the war they were set sky high. So much for the production help.
But regardless of the fact we could have charged more, we didn't. I was effectively the STK AZN station and sales manager during the war and I know what prices I was charging. Modules and interceptors went up at Jita prices (and yes, I did check them every time). T2 cruisers went up at Jita +10% because of the carrier space they took. Whilst dictors went up at Jita MINUS 25% or so because we wanted people to feel better able to risk them. Oh and BS? They went up for something like 25% BELOW cost price - and at the end of the war we still had around 40 unsold BS in AZN. (BoB may remember the AZN lemming charges - that was us working through some of this stockpile!) And none of that counts the 425 rails and covops cloaks that were going to alliance at cost price (which cost us billions but it was for the cause) or the T1 frigs and modules we donated in bulk to DS1 for their carrier ops.
And then long after the event, weasels like you come along with your insulting myths and lies. Well, I know what prices we charged. As do the many grateful people who came to AZN to replace gear and were happy to pay so little for it.
There probably were profiteers there. And of course CCP never did provide any way of stopping hostiles from manipulating the market - indeed they still boast about how easily people can do it. But you can take your accusations about STK profiteering and, quite frankly, shove them where the sun is occluded!
Hey Lucre. Long time no see And where is sexy Sku1ly? I miss the old weasel And on topic. Proof/pics or STFU! The only one i know and can recall clearly that even made an effort on the market, was Vipeer from CLS. He posted on the forums what he was willing to sell cheaper to give people a fighting chance. The only thing i saw from STK was the mere sticky with the usual sales thread. During the highest crisis he was the one only who offered cheaper mods and ships for a lower cost. So what was STK doing to help with all their BPO`s and production power? And yes, I still love u2 Lucre
Dev
It's great being Amarr, aint it?
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Stockarian
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.10.14 16:41:00 -
[1144]
Edited by: Stockarian on 14/10/2007 16:48:16
Originally by: Devoras2
Originally by: Lucre
Originally by: Devoras2 STK was among those to bail out
Hey Lucre. Long time no see And where is sexy Sku1ly? I miss the old weasel And on topic. Proof/pics or STFU! The only one i know and can recall clearly that even made an effort on the market, was Vipeer from CLS. He posted on the forums what he was willing to sell cheaper to give people a fighting chance. The only thing i saw from STK was the mere sticky with the usual sales thread. During the highest crisis he was the one only who offered cheaper mods and ships for a lower cost. So what was STK doing to help with all their BPO`s and production power? And yes, I still love u2 Lucre
Dev
Umm, yea...I have to agree with Dev here. I was in the ASCN command channels the whole time being a Director in eXceed at that time. I remember who was left in RIT at the end, it certainly wasn't STK. As for prices on mods and ships, maybe the T1 variety were on par, but not the T2 goodies, although that was nothing new. I will say in all honesty, I do remember dictors being cheaper near the end though.
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Drama Llama
DramaLlamaDingDong
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Posted - 2007.10.14 17:08:00 -
[1145]
You guys should hire mc and help kill bob.
Offer them NOL. They seem to like stations as payment.
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Vanye Inovske
Two Brothers Mining Corp. Friend or Enemy
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Posted - 2007.10.14 17:32:00 -
[1146]
This is starting to remind me of the E-R whining about the end of Xetic in the G/IRON/RZR vs ASCN threads during the AZN invasion.
ASCN is dead. Let it go, guys.
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Banzai OdiN
Caldari Species 5618 R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.10.15 19:57:00 -
[1147]
Originally by: Lucre
Originally by: Devoras2 STK was among those to bail out first from Ascenia with their stuff. Oh, i bet you guys still have loads off stuff in Stain, just lying around for the victorious return to Feyth once the pets are kicked out. And during the ASCN times, prices wasnt exactly 10% cheaper then Empire prices, as pr rule set by CYVOK huh? During the war they were set sky high. So much for the production help.
My congratulations on getting quite so many lies or inaccuracies into one post.
Our valuables (those which would fit in my carrier) weren't evacuated out of AZN until it was under total siege and ASCN resistance had evaporated. (And yes, that was one scary undock). Ditto our T2 bpo's in EPR (props to badfish for honesty and integrity with a 300+ billion cargo!).
As for the prices, truly you excel yourself in talking tosh. The rule set by CYVOK was not more than 10% HIGHER than Empire prices, not lower. And that only applied to T1 anyway.
But regardless of the fact we could have charged more, we didn't. I was effectively the STK AZN station and sales manager during the war and I know what prices I was charging. Modules and interceptors went up at Jita prices (and yes, I did check them every time). T2 cruisers went up at Jita +10% because of the carrier space they took. Whilst dictors went up at Jita MINUS 25% or so because we wanted people to feel better able to risk them. Oh and BS? They went up for something like 25% BELOW cost price - and at the end of the war we still had around 40 unsold BS in AZN. (BoB may remember the AZN lemming charges - that was us working through some of this stockpile!) And none of that counts the 425 rails and covops cloaks that were going to alliance at cost price (which cost us billions but it was for the cause) or the T1 frigs and modules we donated in bulk to DS1 for their carrier ops.
And then long after the event, weasels like you come along with your insulting myths and lies. Well, I know what prices we charged. As do the many grateful people who came to AZN to replace gear and were happy to pay so little for it.
There probably were profiteers there. And of course CCP never did provide any way of stopping hostiles from manipulating the market - indeed they still boast about how easily people can do it. But you can take your accusations about STK profiteering and, quite frankly, shove them where the sun is occluded!
I'm sorry, asmuch as i know i shouldn't post as to not to get involved into this political stuff but that is complete and utter bull ****.
Anyone remember those Cerb's that were going out for 100 mil you know 170mil cheaper and all that, you know the ones thats cost 28mil to make, oh wait you could only get one if you have 200+ kills. Or how about all those guns that were at base price, no-one told me the base price was 20mil for a gun? Ok you might have gave out Domi's ect for 49mil but how about all the mods to fit it out at triple the price???
STK were some of the last to leave, Right ...
Cov Ops cloaks going chepa yeah sure ....
By the way this has nothing to do with my Corp or Alliance, just some personal feelings coming our here, don't take this personally or anything, i'll probably regret this soon anyway.
But half the people in ASCN didn't even see any of this stuff and if i remember correctly our corp got NOTHING, no Alliance support infact if i remember correctly we were stuck in Qs- and CORM were the only ones to come and try and help us but we told them to go back because 15 CORM + 15 Species possibly more from both corps against about 70 enemies, im sorry but i don't like those odds.
And don't feed me bull ****, and don't tell me about Market Manipulation, everyone knew that it was going on even before the ASCN war and were told to use Escrow, so you could also see who was selling and it would be available to ASCN only.
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Space Harrier
Minmatar Roman Holiday
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Posted - 2007.10.15 19:59:00 -
[1148]
I sense much anger in you!
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paracidic
Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.10.15 20:26:00 -
[1149]
Originally by: Devoras2
Originally by: Helen
Originally by: paracidic
Originally by: Helen
Originally by: paracidic
we don't really care that much for our station so we let it fall
So thats why you choose not to go with the rest to make a stand in RIT but choose to turn so you can keep K-9? GG.
Helen,
We were in AZN with all our capitals etc. We had virtually noone in k-9 at that point. We were following Virtuozzo's orders to let k-9 fall if necessary and defend azn. In fact I remember Fitz giving me (James Britanicus) a looted Cloaking device from AZN on one of our last engagements on or about January 1. We were falling back with ASCN towards RIT as per orders when Virt came to us and told us that he is folding ASCN......
But I still lub you Helen.
Like Havras I remeber differently still ASCN is long dead and good for that. In the end it was too bloated and without any pvp focus. Have fun where you go next but I'd reconsider how you view this whole conflict, and although I can't speak for STK as CEO anymore this whole thread isn't about ISK its about respect.....
For the sake of staying objective to this matter, I still remember the discussions we had in CoRM when I was still a member. Now in Helen `s favour Para, he`s kinda straight on the truth. We did turn side cause we saw that ASCN was dead and dying, and saw no purpose in defending a lost cause. We wanted to keep K-9 which we all worked hard for, and didnt want to get the boot from BoB. I left CoRM cause I despised the fact we were blue to the one enemey that killed off ASCN. No way im turning side just to keep something at the mercy of my foe (pet status and taxation) And now your being chased off your home with no way to do the same. Karma is such a b*tch.
But then again every single corp in ASCN was thinking of their own hides Helen. STK was among those to bail out first from Ascenia with their stuff. Oh, i bet you guys still have loads off stuff in Stain, just lying around for the victorious return to Feyth once the pets are kicked out. And during the ASCN times, prices wasnt exactly 10% cheaper then Empire prices, as pr rule set by CYVOK huh? During the war they were set sky high. So much for the production help.
But hey, its still a game with all the drama. I still lub the Cormies alot and even you para! So dont give up just yet As for M.PIRE, I wish you luck. I wont hide the fact I would love to see Feyth purged off all BoB presence, and best off all BoB dead and buried in the sands of time.
Dev
I guess the only one that can answer this is Virtuozzo.
Come on out of the wood work Virt.
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Farham
AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.10.15 20:38:00 -
[1150]
I have no love for what ASCN was before the BOB war started. If you weren't in one of the big corps you pretty much had to put up ISK when asked or have some large amount of reserves but you got no access to any of the "good stuff" like plexes and such.
However, the whole thing some of the ex-ASCN folks are saying about the mods/markets is somewhat disingenuous. It was pretty clearly stated on the forums that if you wanted the war time mods that were being made you had to set up buy orders. People never really picked up on that idea and others abused it by turning right around and reselling them for absurd mark ups. This is ultimately broke the entire effort and it became a free for all.
I have had this discussion with my own corp mates who were with me in ASCN during all of this and even they were unaware of the buy order methods that were supposed to be in use.
As others have said though, let ASCN lie in peace.
Intrepid Crossing Diplomat and All Around Major Idiot |
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Orree
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.10.15 21:46:00 -
[1151]
Originally by: Zigadenus
Originally by: Orree
Originally by: Zigadenus Ha I almost forgot.
Go Rockies!!
Oh no..they must go down..and they must go down hard---though it's obviously not going to be a sweep like it was with those hapless Cubbies.
(I'm from Phoenix).
Lol mmm. 2-0. World Series getting closer and closer. Go Rockies baby!
Heh..perhaps I was wrong about the sweep.
Ah well...maybe next year...heheh.
"How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli |
Tweekant
Gallente Seven. Enuma Elish.
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Posted - 2007.10.15 22:54:00 -
[1152]
Up to page 35 or so, this thread was more entertaining then the books I read on hols. Either I brought the wrong books, or this is one heck of an event whatever way you look at it :)
Also, will this bring Helen back to STK? ;) |
Onionico
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:21:00 -
[1153]
Originally by: paracidic
Originally by: Devoras2
Originally by: Helen
Originally by: paracidic
Originally by: Helen
Originally by: paracidic
we don't really care that much for our station so we let it fall
So thats why you choose not to go with the rest to make a stand in RIT but choose to turn so you can keep K-9? GG.
Helen,
We were in AZN with all our capitals etc. We had virtually noone in k-9 at that point. We were following Virtuozzo's orders to let k-9 fall if necessary and defend azn. In fact I remember Fitz giving me (James Britanicus) a looted Cloaking device from AZN on one of our last engagements on or about January 1. We were falling back with ASCN towards RIT as per orders when Virt came to us and told us that he is folding ASCN......
But I still lub you Helen.
Like Havras I remeber differently still ASCN is long dead and good for that. In the end it was too bloated and without any pvp focus. Have fun where you go next but I'd reconsider how you view this whole conflict, and although I can't speak for STK as CEO anymore this whole thread isn't about ISK its about respect.....
For the sake of staying objective to this matter, I still remember the discussions we had in CoRM when I was still a member. Now in Helen `s favour Para, he`s kinda straight on the truth. We did turn side cause we saw that ASCN was dead and dying, and saw no purpose in defending a lost cause. We wanted to keep K-9 which we all worked hard for, and didnt want to get the boot from BoB. I left CoRM cause I despised the fact we were blue to the one enemey that killed off ASCN. No way im turning side just to keep something at the mercy of my foe (pet status and taxation) And now your being chased off your home with no way to do the same. Karma is such a b*tch.
But then again every single corp in ASCN was thinking of their own hides Helen. STK was among those to bail out first from Ascenia with their stuff. Oh, i bet you guys still have loads off stuff in Stain, just lying around for the victorious return to Feyth once the pets are kicked out. And during the ASCN times, prices wasnt exactly 10% cheaper then Empire prices, as pr rule set by CYVOK huh? During the war they were set sky high. So much for the production help.
But hey, its still a game with all the drama. I still lub the Cormies alot and even you para! So dont give up just yet As for M.PIRE, I wish you luck. I wont hide the fact I would love to see Feyth purged off all BoB presence, and best off all BoB dead and buried in the sands of time.
Dev
I guess the only one that can answer this is Virtuozzo.
Come on out of the wood work Virt.
You morons haven't disbanded yet?
Homeless people like you shouldn't post on CAOD.
GET OUT.
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n0sPIG
Blind Vengeance
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:25:00 -
[1154]
Originally by: Onionico
You morons haven't disbanded yet?
Homeless people like you shouldn't post on CAOD.
GET OUT.
Pot, kettle, black. |
n0sPIG
Blind Vengeance
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:26:00 -
[1155]
Good luck M.Pire, I'm sure BoB are terrified. |
WraithFire
Cassandra's Light Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:34:00 -
[1156]
Originally by: Onionico
You morons haven't disbanded yet?
Homeless people like you shouldn't post on CAOD.
GET OUT.
Ouch!!! That would leave a mark.
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General Xenophon
Caldari Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.10.16 03:06:00 -
[1157]
Edited by: General Xenophon on 16/10/2007 03:07:56 Hehe. I remember telling some of the reds up north this would happen and they say 'nu uh! not gonna happen!'. I would like to just say, I was right, but part of me sympathizes with you lot. Shame really. But in the end it worked out ok. You realize what the rest of us realized about BoB a long time ago, even if it took you some time to get it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "Now, we must all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most, and that is the indifference of good men." - Boondock Saints |
Dash43
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.10.16 03:35:00 -
[1158]
Originally by: Banzai OdiN I'm sorry, asmuch as i know i shouldn't post as to not to get involved into this political stuff but that is complete and utter bull ****.
Anyone remember those Cerb's that were going out for 100 mil you know 170mil cheaper and all that, you know the ones thats cost 28mil to make, oh wait you could only get one if you have 200+ kills. Or how about all those guns that were at base price, no-one told me the base price was 20mil for a gun? Ok you might have gave out Domi's ect for 49mil but how about all the mods to fit it out at triple the price???
STK were some of the last to leave, Right ...
Cov Ops cloaks going chepa yeah sure ....
By the way this has nothing to do with my Corp or Alliance, just some personal feelings coming our here, don't take this personally or anything, i'll probably regret this soon anyway.
But half the people in ASCN didn't even see any of this stuff and if i remember correctly our corp got NOTHING, no Alliance support infact if i remember correctly we were stuck in Qs- and CORM were the only ones to come and try and help us but we told them to go back because 15 CORM + 15 Species possibly more from both corps against about 70 enemies, im sorry but i don't like those odds.
And don't feed me bull ****, and don't tell me about Market Manipulation, everyone knew that it was going on even before the ASCN war and were told to use Escrow, so you could also see who was selling and it would be available to ASCN only.[/quote
On the money mate. I promised I wouldnt get into this one ,but meh. Those of us that knew of STK during the ASCN days know what was said and know what was charged and know what a bunch of spin doctors ya turning out to be. The fact of the matter is, ya may be able to fool the ppl that dont know ya history with spin, but Ganga Tem look over ya shoulders there be peeps here that know ya better.
Let me say this aint aimed at M.pire this is aimed at STK, I base all of what I say on knowledge of these iskmongers. Tell me I'm wrong when I say that war is the perfect enviroment for STK to shine (finacially)so it states the obvious when they decide to bail on ASCN,after totally f****** everyone with thier prices to the point of pilots not being able to afford to fight, and seek another war zone to occupy. Im not gonna suggest I know what imediately happened to STK after the demise of ASCN ,but it sure as hell rings a familiar bell with thier ex-alliance...." lets bail these fools cant afford our overpriced ships and mods".
Hmmmm we dont wont this to look like another bail-out ,lets blame BOB seems ta work for everyone else....give me a break, do you seriously think ppl are that naive. Oh oh lets jump into bed with Goons we should be able to make trillions outta these kiddies...lol not gonna say anymore on that one.
Tbh as you have gathered I have no respect for these guys and the way they operate, let it be a warning to those that endeavour to aquire their services. Just a side note....dont even attempt to spin this one cause there's a whole lot more to this story if you wanna go there.
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Temerlyn
Minmatar STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.16 05:01:00 -
[1159]
Originally by: Dash43
But half the people in ASCN didn't even see any of this stuff and if i remember correctly our corp got NOTHING, no Alliance support infact if i remember correctly we were stuck in Qs- and CORM were the only ones to come and try and help us but we told them to go back because 15 CORM + 15 Species possibly more from both corps against about 70 enemies, im sorry but i don't like those odds.
And don't feed me bull ****, and don't tell me about Market Manipulation, everyone knew that it was going on even before the ASCN war and were told to use Escrow, so you could also see who was selling and it would be available to ASCN only.
On the money mate. I promised I wouldnt get into this one ,but meh. Those of us that knew of STK during the ASCN days know what was said and know what was charged and know what a bunch of spin doctors ya turning out to be. The fact of the matter is, ya may be able to fool the ppl that dont know ya history with spin, but Gunga Tem look over ya shoulders there be peeps here that know ya better.
Let me say this aint aimed at M.pire this is aimed at STK, I base all of what I say on knowledge of these iskmongers. Tell me I'm wrong when I say that war is the perfect enviroment for STK to shine (finacially)so it states the obvious when they decide to bail on ASCN,after totally f****** everyone with thier prices to the point of pilots not being able to afford to fight, and seek another war zone to occupy. Im not gonna suggest I know what imediately happened to STK after the demise of ASCN ,but it sure as hell rings a familiar bell with thier ex-alliance...." lets bail these fools cant afford our overpriced ships and mods".
Hmmmm we dont wont this to look like another bail-out ,lets blame BOB seems ta work for everyone else....give me a break, do you seriously think ppl are that naive. Oh oh lets jump into bed with Goons we should be able to make trillions outta these kiddies...lol not gonna say anymore on that one.
Tbh as you have gathered I have no respect for these guys and the way they operate, let it be a warning to those that endeavour to aquire their services. Just a side note....dont even attempt to spin this one cause there's a whole lot more to this story if you wanna go there.
Ahh looky here some disgruntled soldier in the defense of ASCN etc.
If you didn't see anything in the war it was because your management didn't hand them to you. We stopped selling items on the market during the war except for what was already on offer.
We sold every single tech 2 425 rail we had to cost to the managers of corps. We could only built 1 hac a day and we only owned 2 and of those one was crap. An alliance of 2000+ and we could build 8-9 a week. Same went for the 425 rails we could only build a limited amount a day and we sold these at cost to directors to who ever asked first. There was no specific management of the process as it was a nightmare to manage and everyone else had other issues to work with.
The only real fault would be then is miss communication for i do know we didn't publicly advertise it. We specifically made it only a director to corp director issue because it was easier on the build who happened to be Thavin.
I could go on and on but i wont. No one corp can cater for every individual in an alliance. I can tell you we never saw a single "At cost" 1400mm artillery from Celes either but we ain't *****ing about it.
Everyone made mistakes but if you wanna keep blaming some one else for them then you wont get very far in this game or life.
STK is a corporation, not a guild, not an honorific club or some other do gooder group. We have redundancy plans, limits, promotions, sales ideals, rewards, benefits befitting of any corporation. A corporation that doesn't make money will not live, pure and simple.
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Liu Kaskakka
PAK
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Posted - 2007.10.16 05:08:00 -
[1160]
I just came here to derail the thread so it would get a lockz0r.
Hi, I'm a handsome bish.
King Liu is RIGHT!!
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Lipix
Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.10.16 05:08:00 -
[1161]
41 pages? srsly?
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Jurgurtha
O RLY corp YTMND.
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Posted - 2007.10.16 05:18:00 -
[1162]
Originally by: Lipix 41 pages? srsly?
Yes
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Dash43
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.10.16 06:36:00 -
[1163]
Everyone made mistakes but if you wanna keep blaming some one else for them then you wont get very far in this game or life.
STK is a corporation, not a guild, not an honorific club or some other do gooder group. We have redundancy plans, limits, promotions, sales ideals, rewards, benefits befitting of any corporation. A corporation that doesn't make money will not live, pure and simple.
Finally some sense of the truth, which is basically all that can be asked, and apart from my own grievancies is all that is required. Tbh Tem a simple statement like, STK have changed sides without all the drama would have been suffice, but when spin becomes involed its only right that both sides of the storey are told. By your own admission you've have seen fit to prosper by what ever means are available to you and your corp in 0.0 and I dont for one minute disagree that is what it takes to survive, but that is where a very thin line appears in respect to supply during a war. To this day it still baffles me as to why any corp would see fit to sell ships/mods whatever at well above build cost to his/her Alliance mates for nothing but profit, and to see an Alliance disband as a direct result of said isk-mongering. There where other corps, granted that fit the same mold, but STK was the major player and as such deserve to shoulder the lions share of the responsibilty.
There where of course many other factors in the demise of ASCN, but this issue certainly rates up there.
The arguement based on corp managers receiving mods at cost and not passing them on really doesn't deserve a response, and you know why, and the management of selling goods via escrow again was at a premium.As for blameing others for ones mistakes....well pot/kettle blah blah blah.
As you say this can go on and on so lets agree ta disagree ........just stop spinning and bring it to Fountain for some pew pew.....oh and before I forget have ya still get co-op cloak bpo and if so how much for 5 pls ( not )
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Zigadenus
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.16 07:05:00 -
[1164]
Originally by: Superbus Maximus
Originally by: Zigadenus
Originally by: Orree
Originally by: Zigadenus Ha I almost forgot.
Go Rockies!!
Oh no..they must go down..and they must go down hard---though it's obviously not going to be a sweep like it was with those hapless Cubbies.
(I'm from Phoenix).
Lol mmm. 2-0. World Series getting closer and closer. Go Rockies baby!
If rockies make it to the series Ill get drunk and suicide some sort of expensive faction ship into a goon fleet.
Oh sweep. Colorado rocks their way into the World Series. 21 out of 22. Incredible. Baseball history in the making.
Time to start shopping for a faction ship?
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ScheenK
Gallente StatiC Elite
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Posted - 2007.10.16 08:05:00 -
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Go M. PIRE!
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Shaeley
Destructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.10.16 08:28:00 -
[1166]
mhm.. xetic is back (again!)?
gg
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Gungankllr
Caldari STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.16 09:57:00 -
[1167]
I wasn't in STK during the ASCN thing, so all I know is what I heard.
Tem is probably best suited to talk about that.
As for "changing sides quietly" or whatever, we just wanted to make sure everybody knew how we felt and what we were doing, and why.
This forum isn't just for alt spam, it's for announcements like this to let the eve public know what your politics/alignment are.
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Cringeley
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.16 10:39:00 -
[1168]
Originally by: Lipix 41 pages? srsly?
It's possibly one of the most significant moments in recent Eve history: a corporation that had been willing to operate alongside BoB publicly exposing them for what they are, and at the same time displaying the virtue of self respect and independence for all to see.
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Tetsujin
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.16 10:45:00 -
[1169]
A lot of you really seem to be rather torn up over ASCN. :(
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Weebear
Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce
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Posted - 2007.10.16 10:56:00 -
[1170]
Edited by: Weebear on 16/10/2007 10:57:58 Edited by: Weebear on 16/10/2007 10:57:28 How much more off topic can this thread get!
For what it's worth, I always remember STK prices to be quite fair. Every corp had the ability to buy in bulk through nominated corp reps, but most corps didn't bother with one until it was too late.
It didn't matter if STK conducted it's business through market or escrow, there were so many spies and greedy individuals in ASCN that items would always have been bought and resold at a higher price with no way of tracking who was responsible. |
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