A Simple quote from another thread which i think deserves a thread of its own:

Moon mining has horribly unbalanced nullsec pvp. Remove moon mining and make people play eve to earn isk again so that the blobbers have to run around in pve ships and get shot at too.

Now this to me sounds like a eureka moment!

not that of some alliance leader scooping billions in moon goo?

The major problem with moon mining is that it is completely static. If you have a tech moon then you have free isk in abundance.

All they would have to do is to make them switch moon goo around a bit now and then. That super duper tech moon suddenly runs dry and starts spouting the least valuable moon goo of all and just as suddenly that little miniature alliance in the back end of nowhere suddenly has a moon that is pure gold... and then after exploiting that moon for a while it runs out as well... that really is all the "nerf" you need.

The major problem with moon mining is that it is completely static. If you have a tech moon then you have free isk in abundance.

All they would have to do is to make them switch moon goo around a bit now and then. That super duper tech moon suddenly runs dry and starts spouting the least valuable moon goo of all and just as suddenly that little miniature alliance in the back end of nowhere suddenly has a moon that is pure gold... and then after exploiting that moon for a while it runs out as well... that really is all the "nerf" you need.

Also a good idea. would certainly cause massive conflicts and battles, which hey isnt that what 0.0 peoplez want? <--- yes with a z KOZZZZZ

have you ever left highsec

Only someone who has lived in 0.0 for many years would hate it so much

clearly there are no massive conflicts and battles taking place over moons, nope not at all

the DRF and ncdot/raiden/PL took over the north for gudfitez

A Simple quote from another thread which i think deserves a thread of its own:

Moon mining has horribly unbalanced nullsec pvp. Remove moon mining and make people play eve to earn isk again so that the blobbers have to run around in pve ships and get shot at too.

Now this to me sounds like a eureka moment!

Just because moons wouldnt be desirable - other than building caps, owning SOV and desirable systems to plex/rat/mine in would still be, therefore still offering incentive for the average blob PvPer to participate in battles, if not more! Isn't someone more likely to fleet up if they are defending thier own personal income, and not that of some alliance leader scooping billions in moon goo?

alliances should be made to work for it! Simple as. The issue is that moons have stayed in the same place, so all the nullsec alliances no the location of pretty much every moon in eve, null, empire and low sec, and they have taken THEM ALL!!! its a fecking joke! and you know what there is nothing you can do about it. When you have 1000 supers or sub caps willing to defend the pos at all costs.

Moons should be randomised every 3 months. So that you have to actually go and work for them, spend time building and moving poses, going to actually find them! and also give the little guy a chance to hit the jackpot now and again. Even just for a few months! its totally totally wrong how unbalanced and unfair moongold works at the moment..

and if i get a comment, that you expect ppl to up poses and move them, damn right i do! you think making billions a month for doing sweet FA is right? work for your damn money...There will be less throw away ships and battles also. Perhaps alliances will think tactically instead of blobby and know that hey dont worry we lose 10 supers we have 100 in the hanger to insta replace.

Consequences! Risk vs Reward aint that what eves about? doesnt seem the case for the large nullsec alliances now does it!

alliances should be made to work for it! Simple as. The issue is that moons have stayed in the same place, so all the nullsec alliances no the location of pretty much every moon in eve, null, empire and low sec, and they have taken THEM ALL!!! its a fecking joke! and you know what there is nothing you can do about it. When you have 1000 supers or sub caps willing to defend the pos at all costs.

Moons should be randomised every 3 months. So that you have to actually go and work for them, spend time building and moving poses, going to actually find them! and also give the little guy a chance to hit the jackpot now and again. Even just for a few months! its totally totally wrong how unbalanced and unfair moongold works at the moment..

and if i get a comment, that you expect ppl to up poses and move them, damn right i do! you think making billions a month for doing sweet FA is right? work for your damn money...There will be less throw away ships and battles also. Perhaps alliances will think tactically instead of blobby and know that hey dont worry we lose 10 supers we have 100 in the hanger to insta replace.

Consequences! Risk vs Reward aint that what eves about? doesnt seem the case for the large nullsec alliances now does it!

alliances don't tend to nationalize lower-end moons, you can easily find untowered lower-end moons and extract them at a profit

if you're asking why you can't get a personal tech moon, you're a hypocrite


This is not exactly true now is it, yes there maybe the 'odd' moon out of thousands, but people like PL and many other large alliances have pretty much swallowed up the moons in low sec. You know this be true...



and every 3 months the T2 market would screw up as every goddamn region has to be scanned again, and who do you think has the advantage when coordinating large-scale, region-wide moon scanning? heh

Look it wouldnt screw it up at all, you cant tell me all the plentiful trillions of stock would just crash. Thats nonsense. I might actually be a good thing and stop the constant building of supers etc. Yes large alliances will have the advantage of course, but at least you are working for it, and doing something, rather than just maintaining a tower.



I don't consider the hours spent fueling towers, emptying silos and shipping to market as "sweet **** all," do you?

OK look this is a specific person(s) role, who do this day in day out, where they make a good living out of it! You make trillions in ISK what do you think you should do just sit there and do nothing for it? Alliances like yourselves have the manpower the logistics setup everything to make this pretty much a breeze to resupply poses and maintain them. I mean jesus christ its just made even easier with the new fuel blocks for god sake. How many hours will that cut off!. Its got easier and easier to maintain poses now. You dont need a billion poses in one system to keep sov anymore, you only have tactical poses and moon ones now, so again a MASSIVE reduction, yet more tech moons came available. So a massive increase in profits and massive decrease in how to get it.



because moon mining is totally risk free and effortless

For the large alliances, all in all yes... You all blue balled, and who is going to try get them off you? So yes its risk free.

this would only screw up the T2 market even further when there's a choke on supply after the periodic "moon rotation" or whatever where everyone and their mother is out scanning moons for the next month

moon rotation would be a terrible mechanic

I wonder: Why do people think moonmining would give the normal nullsec player ANYTHING?

Unless you are an Alliance CEO that skims of his fellow mates (and steals from the alliance at that) you have no gain whatsoever from Moons. Most Alliances I know put their moonincome into "Ship replacement Programs"to defend into subsiding Capital ships to defend, paying for sov to hold an defend some more.

I would doubt that from 10*7B/month Moons a rich alliance may own only 1% is going into someones pockets to get rich. Unless ofc your alliance CEO is an ass which may as well be the case for alot of allies I don't see the audits ;) But the normal Nullsec player will enver see a single ISK of that unless he gets a ship replaced he LOST during defense

"We'll reimburse any ship loss you take while PvPing."

"Here's your monthly stipend from our tech income."

Which of those two would you say promotes more activity?

Lets make all of Eve highsec.

"We'll reimburse any ship loss you take while PvPing."

"Here's your monthly stipend from our tech income."

Which of those two would you say promotes more activity?

I believe that most Alliance leaders do not **** their members, but I thinks its highly possible some do (especially my enemies :P) I am quite content with getting my ships replaced ;) Free Scimitars!

Let me tell you about OWN alliance and how they were allowed to live in Deklein with Tech moons, they only partially reimbursed their pilots for some fleet ships, and how TEST sent a UN aid convoy of badgers to anchor cans full of water, grain and livestock outside their station to help their impoverished peoples.

They eventually got kicked out and paid White Noise something like 40bn a month to rent a constellation in Vale with no access to tech, which they could afford due to hoarding their moon income and exploiting their members.

I'd like to think that cases like OWN are rare.

What an innocent bunch you people are.

You know, if I was an investor that was really focussed on making money out of a game like EVE, I wouldn't change the moons because it is one of the primary mechanisms designed into the game that funnels isk into the Zero RMT Corps that supply RMT websites. Furthermore, I would own and operate those RMT Corps and websites through third party ownership and farm the crap out of it. Then I would charge players in the game monthly isk "rentals" to participate as a defender of the isk printing Zero RMT operations. So those players not only pay a monthly subscription fee for Eve, but they are also being farmed for additional isk.

Now that would truly be the greatest scam of New Eden's history.

But , of course, this could never happen, could it?

nope because they really wouldn't last long as a sov-holding entity

and that would be because????

put moon goo in 0.5 and 0.6 systems that would sort out the issue lol

"Hey guys our sov is under attack, I expect you all to fight for it without reimbursements or any ship replacement whatsoever"

"Hey guys our sov is under attack, I expect you all to fight for it without reimbursements or any ship replacement whatsoever"

risk free pvp?? i know we shall just lose 200 ships, dont worry theres plenty more... gtfo... you basically saying shoot and lose as much as you want with no consequences?

Except that the RMT Corp is manned by chinese who work for fish tacos and bankrolled by the RMT websites for which this is a business and not your SOV chestbeating rights. Sorry, you lose. (If this isn't so Goon, then why haven't you wiped out the Russian element yet? Or is Novator and company too good for your Leet skills to deals with. Or maybe, just maybe, the Goons are in on it too? Nooo, couldn't be.)

The major problem with moon mining is that it is completely static. If you have a tech moon then you have free isk in abundance.

clearly there are no massive conflicts and battles taking place over moons, nope not at all

the DRF and ncdot/raiden/PL took over the north for gudfitez

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would you like to post your accounts please? I mean dont you and goons feck over their own new members by scamming them?

Jeezzz

put moon goo in 0.5 and 0.6 systems that would sort out the issue lol

would you like to post your accounts please? I mean dont you and goons feck over their own new members by scamming them?

Jeezzz

A Simple quote from another thread which i think deserves a thread of its own:

Moon mining has horribly unbalanced nullsec pvp. Remove moon mining and make people play eve to earn isk again so that the blobbers have to run around in pve ships and get shot at too.

Now this to me sounds like a eureka moment!

I don't see anything wrong with high-end moon goo as it is right now. The big alliance need big assets to fight over, as has been said several times the money is used to fund alliance operations.

If people want to mine high-end moon materials elsewhere, perhaps randomly spawned discoverable deposits (which disappear once depleted) could be worked into PI somehow.

Any 'nerf' should be focused on increasing overall supply. I likes my cheap T2, thanks.

Tallian: Ok I do not know anyone with a personal Moon, I know of Corporations getting Moons from Alliance though (mostly lower ends ofc) to finance their own agenda.

At least I dont know of that, may have eluded me ofc ;)

There's no real reason why moons specific materials shouldn't deplete and re pop at some random location.

I'm quite sure this would bring a lot more fights and ships destroyed, would also spare the gazillions free isk between more people = more conflicts, more explosions, more ships destroyed

Here's 3 reasons:

1: Moon shuffling is a disincentive to combat - why would I invade your region full of tech moons if they were going to despawn and pop up somewhere else by the time we'd finished fighting over them? May as well sit tight and wait to see if next month's shuffle drops them into our lap.

2: Instead, it rewards low-risk, tedious and repetitive activities like flying around in a probing prowler moonscanning entire regions on a regular basis. Eve doesn't need more boredom, thanks.

3: It also benefits large alliances with the manpower to delegate enough players carry out organised scanning sweeps. The little 30 man lowsec corp might be sitting with a tech moon right under their nose but if they don't have enough masochists to spend hours of their lives looking for them the first they'll know about it is when us or PL or Solar Fleet plonk down a tower in their back yard.



Except it would produce the exact opposite.

Tech is stupidly broken and badly needs to be devalued, preferably by switching the material requirements for the T2 production chain so the R64s and other R32s are in greater demand. Moon shuffling soves nothing.