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Amida Ta	Posted - 2007.10.16 21:42:00 - [31] Originally by: Alora Venoda i have a question about what all goes into the new "graphics content"... does this mean if a ship gets a new 3-D model in trinity, then will the classic version still use the old 3-D model? i am sure that the new graphics will have shiny new textures, special effects, and even some improved background images, but what about the actual 3-D models? i just think it would be silly and maybe even confusing if things looked radically different between the two versions... Well the ships have been remodelled, so they WILL look different, however surely not radically different. Just look at the differences on the screenshots that are floating around.
Bruce McMoose	Posted - 2007.10.16 21:54:00 - [32] Well CCP.. My GFX card handles Shader 3, BUT the major question is, Do your upgraded server weasels support Shader 3? Also another question, will memory requirements be increased? Would be nice if you could post an upgraded system requirements (along with recommended)
Tikanom Angel of War Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.10.16 21:55:00 - [33] How does the new stuff behave on SM2 cards, compared to SM3? I've never cared much about graphics...I just want the game to be responsive enough that I don't lose response time compared to kids with a $6k gaming system.
Kernel Sander Epiphyte Mining and Exploration Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2007.10.16 22:00:00 - [34] Edited by: Kernel Sander on 16/10/2007 22:00:27 Is the MacOSX release (which you guys promised for November, IIRC) under the same constraints? Will it be classic only? Are you still releasing it? Can you give out any information at all? Please? --- THIS IS MY SIG. BUNNIES AND STUFF --- ----- INSERT ASCII AMIGA LOGO HERE -----

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2007.10.16 22:03:00 - [35] Originally by: Kernel Sander Edited by: Kernel Sander on 16/10/2007 22:00:27 Is the MacOSX release (which you guys promised for November, IIRC) under the same constraints? Will it be classic only? Are you still releasing it? Can you give out any information at all? Mac and Linux are Classic since TransGaming's Cedega / Cider only support DX9 SM2. For more information about that release, please read this thread. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Lord Trader	Posted - 2007.10.16 22:11:00 - [36] Any plans to take advantage and fully support SLI or crossfire for EVE?
Kernel Sander Epiphyte Mining and Exploration Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2007.10.16 22:29:00 - [37] Originally by: CCP Explorer Mac and Linux are Classic since TransGaming's Cedega / Cider only support DX9 SM2. For more information about that release, please read this thread. Thank you very kindly for the information. --- THIS IS MY SIG. BUNNIES AND STUFF --- ----- INSERT ASCII AMIGA LOGO HERE -----
zeeZ Exus Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.10.16 22:30:00 - [38] Originally by: Bruce McMoose My GFX card handles Shader 3, BUT the major question is, Do your upgraded server weasels support Shader 3? (Those) servers don't do graphics, they're pretty short-sighted upgraded weasels/hamsters.
Aki Yamato	Posted - 2007.10.16 22:32:00 - [39] Originally by: Bruce McMoose Well CCP.. My GFX card handles Shader 3, BUT the major question is, Do your upgraded server weasels support Shader 3? Also another question, will memory requirements be increased? Would be nice if you could post an upgraded system requirements (along with recommended) I gues that baldeservers with some ATI itegrated GFX does not support SM at all. BIG GUN BIG FUTURE
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Hooligans Of War Insurgency	Posted - 2007.10.16 23:11:00 - [40] Originally by: Lord Trader Any plans to take advantage and fully support SLI or crossfire for EVE? I'm not sure about SLI but crossfire is working as intended. Jita fix: The distributed market hub

Kasak Black The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.10.16 23:17:00 - [41] Oh sugar puffs, my puny x700 laptop card doesn't support SM3 Prehaps I should invest in a new computer!
Trek Minmatar N.A.G.A Corporation	Posted - 2007.10.16 23:35:00 - [42] It is unfortunate that Wine does not support SM3.0 yet (nor does Cedega aparently). One can only hope that there are possibilities to use some of the new stuff with SM2.0 too. (read somewhere that bioshock and other new games could be used with the older SM with some tweaking). Unfortunatly given the current track record of CCP I highly doubt they will make any effort. Was the New-Stuff-Windows-Only some demand from Microsoft one might wonder... --- My other ship is a Reaper
niroshido Caldari M. Corp M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.10.16 23:47:00 - [43] nice blog, lookin forward to sexified graphics
Loli Killjoy	Posted - 2007.10.16 23:54:00 - [44] Originally by: Tikanom How does the new stuff behave on SM2 cards, compared to SM3? I've never cared much about graphics...I just want the game to be responsive enough that I don't lose response time compared to kids with a $6k gaming system. $6k...my geforce7800 when i got it last year was like $150 with rebate from buy.com. Id imagine its even less now. Ibet you could probably update to a SM3 card for less than $100.
Jason Edwards	Posted - 2007.10.16 23:59:00 - [45] I have a question. Quote: What requirements are there for the new content? To be able to use the new content you will need a graphics card that supports Shader Model 3 So if my video card for example doesn't support SM3. Will I be capable of continuing with the game? So it is simply the "new content" is all that won't work for me. Which arises 2 questions. How far does this "new content" go? Does it mean I cannot ever use the T2 battleships? or simply that the gfx aren't as good looking? Also will the new content be optional to download?
Miranda Duvall Gallente OPM Holdings	Posted - 2007.10.17 00:08:00 - [46] Edited by: Miranda Duvall on 17/10/2007 00:08:22 Originally by: Jason Edwards I have a question. Quote: What requirements are there for the new content? To be able to use the new content you will need a graphics card that supports Shader Model 3 So if my video card for example doesn't support SM3. Will I be capable of continuing with the game? So it is simply the "new content" is all that won't work for me. Which arises 2 questions. How far does this "new content" go? Does it mean I cannot ever use the T2 battleships? or simply that the gfx aren't as good looking? Also will the new content be optional to download? The "new content" is just a bunch (1 GB worth) of shinyer textures and models. Also: looking forward to the patch: I have BITS always enabled, and tell everybody to keep it that way since i like the fact that MS has this autoupdate feature for security patches! (Flame away, im an MS fanboy through and through, no nix or nux will ever set foot in my house!) My Skills -Invention HowTo
Sprzedawczyk	Posted - 2007.10.17 00:14:00 - [47] I already hate that BITS framework/application/whatever. Be free to use it as main distribution lane, but don't forget 'vanilla' http download as well Secondly - you're a company with over two hundred employees and milions of Ç of pure income. I'm pretty sure you can afford one or two basic server ppackages and run them as tracker&seeders. We all know BT sucks compared to CDN, but there are hundreds of your customers asking for it. They want it, so be nice and deliver. They are your bloody customers FFS. If having BT download will make them happy, then so be it.
James Duar Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.17 00:22:00 - [48] Originally by: Cyan Nuevo Originally by: Tonto Auri Short question. Basically, would it be possible to use new engine with old, fast graphics? Even if I have SM3 compat card, I do not want to waste too much of overall system perfomance to feed graphics only (again). If I'm understanding the blog correctly, you can just never install the content upgrade and your system will continue using the old GFX. Now I'm not positive about this, but I think that the SM3 version of the engine will in fact be more efficient than the other (though it is using higher-poly models), so you probably wouldn't be sacrificing much performance anyway. What he's asking is if he can use the current content on the new engine, since being lower-poly count and all it would presumably run quicker on an engine which is optimized to actually use a modern graphics accelerator.
Phoenix Lord The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.10.17 01:27:00 - [49] Edited by: Phoenix Lord on 17/10/2007 01:28:40 Edited by: Phoenix Lord on 17/10/2007 01:27:05 Originally by: Bruce McMoose Well CCP.. My GFX card handles Shader 3, BUT the major question is, Do your upgraded server weasels support Shader 3? Also another question, will memory requirements be increased? Would be nice if you could post an upgraded system requirements (along with recommended) Graphics have... no impact on servers Originally by: Tikanom How does the new stuff behave on SM2 cards, compared to SM3? I've never cared much about graphics...I just want the game to be responsive enough that I don't lose response time compared to kids with a $6k gaming system. 6k? lol, my 1.2k system gets 8k in 3dmark06 EDIT: Btw.. does any one else get confused by that diagram? Wtf is Trinity 1.0 and 1.1? EDIT2: Oh wait, nvm, its just a way to show how future patches would go im assuming.. right? _____
Princess Kristie	Posted - 2007.10.17 03:12:00 - [50] Question: Would you spend AUD 155 for a nvidia 256mb 8600GT or AUD 245 for 256mb 8600GTS??? Budget GPU or above-average GPU???

Medigan Kostas Gallente Ambient Twilight Operations	Posted - 2007.10.17 03:25:00 - [51] Originally by: Princess Kristie Question: Would you spend AUD 155 for a nvidia 256mb 8600GT or AUD 245 for 256mb 8600GTS??? Budget GPU or above-average GPU??? I have a 8600 GT 512 MB and it runs Bioshock and Unreal 3 demo without issue.
Jason Edwards	Posted - 2007.10.17 05:55:00 - [52] Originally by: Miranda Duvall Edited by: Miranda Duvall on 17/10/2007 00:08:22 Originally by: Jason Edwards I have a question. Quote: What requirements are there for the new content? To be able to use the new content you will need a graphics card that supports Shader Model 3 So if my video card for example doesn't support SM3. Will I be capable of continuing with the game? So it is simply the "new content" is all that won't work for me. Which arises 2 questions. How far does this "new content" go? Does it mean I cannot ever use the T2 battleships? or simply that the gfx aren't as good looking? Also will the new content be optional to download? The "new content" is just a bunch (1 GB worth) of shinyer textures and models. Also: looking forward to the patch: I have BITS always enabled, and tell everybody to keep it that way since i like the fact that MS has this autoupdate feature for security patches! (Flame away, im an MS fanboy through and through, no nix or nux will ever set foot in my house!) Thanks for the response. As for the whole MS fanboy thing... its not really that bad or good. Personally I've kept the service offline as basically it's never used and if it's needed it can be activated by whatever program. On another note. I've ordered myself a nice new video card. Should significantly make things run smoother as my video card as it is seems to be closer to the weakest link.
Ramov Tinoga Tinoga Enterprises	Posted - 2007.10.17 07:34:00 - [53] The recommended system configuration says RAM: 1024 MB. Will this change with Trininty II (shiny new high-res textures and models and stuff)? I haven't have any low memory problems with EVE, even when running 2 accounts at the same time, but am thinking to upgrade to 2GB. ----- Verify client downloads with MD5 checksums!
Rimhawk Caldari Vengeance 8 Interceptors	Posted - 2007.10.17 08:04:00 - [54] To any CCP dev: Has any testing been done to see what kind of system and graphics card is needed to run two clients simultaneously with the new engine? I have a Geforce 7800 (with 256MB from the top of my head), a P4 3.0 GHz HT and 2 GB of Ram and a dual-screen 19" LCD monitor setup, all A-brand quality components. I usually run both clients on a dual screen setup at resolution 1152x8xx (something). Barring any special circumstances of course, but in general should I still be able to run two clients simultaneously using the new graphics engine? .
Matthew Caldari BloodStar Technologies	Posted - 2007.10.17 08:09:00 - [55] Originally by: Trek It is unfortunate that Wine does not support SM3.0 yet (nor does Cedega aparently). One can only hope that there are possibilities to use some of the new stuff with SM2.0 too. (read somewhere that bioshock and other new games could be used with the older SM with some tweaking). Unfortunatly given the current track record of CCP I highly doubt they will make any effort. Was the New-Stuff-Windows-Only some demand from Microsoft one might wonder... Not everything is a grand conspiracy by Mircrosoft. Applying the two render paths we do have has already soaked up piles of man-years. While they could implement an SM2 path as well, they have to balance the benefit of doing so with the extra time it will take both to create, and in ongoing maintenance. In terms of people limited to SM2 by hardware, they are a relatively small group, and will only get smaller. In terms of implementing an SM2 path specifically for wine/cedega support, they will also have to balance factors such as likely take-up of the client under that platform, likely timescale for SM3 support being added etc. It may be that they choose to assist the SM3 support project instead if it's going to be a better use of resources (in the same way as they've supported Python development in the past). ------- There is no magic Wand of Fixing, and it is not powered by forum whines.
RiotRick Black-Sun	Posted - 2007.10.17 08:18:00 - [56] Edited by: RiotRick on 17/10/2007 08:19:19 Unfortunately I have a graphics card that only supports SM 2.0 (ATI Mobility Radeon X700). The machine I use is a laptop so upgrading atm is not an option. So I'll be stuck with the Trinity Classic client for a while. Will this classic client use the new graphic engine with the old graphics, or will it still use the old engine? I'm wondering about this, because we've been reading about all these nice (performance) improvements in the graphics engine besides the new shiny grapichs. Will the classic client benefit from most of these improvements while using the old less shiny graphics?
Witchking Minmatar British Federation	Posted - 2007.10.17 08:45:00 - [57] Your graphics card does not support SM 3.0 x1950 here we come......
Bob Niac Gallente FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.17 09:19:00 - [58] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Ix Forres I'm very sceptical about BITS- for one thing, how are the Mac/Linux beta users going to be using this? TransGaming's Cedega / Cider does not support Shader Model 3. ...... HUH? I may be out of the loop, but OpenGL has extensions for this. Why a WineHQ-based api would NOT support SM3.0 is beyond me.
Bob Niac Gallente FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.17 09:25:00 - [59] ok .. If you have a Geforce 6 card or better you have SM 3. If you have Radeon x### card or better you have SM 3. This is subject to change for certain budget variants of said cards, of course. When in doubt, run the app.
Bombcrater DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.17 09:48:00 - [60] Originally by: Bob Niac If you have Radeon x### card or better you have SM 3. Please stop spreading disinformation. The Radeon Xxxx family (X300 to X850) do not have SM3 support. ATI introduced SM3 with the X1000 (X1300-X1950) family.



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