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CCP kieron	Posted - 2007.10.16 18:29:00 - [1] The next evolution of EVE is looming on the horizon and many questions about upgrade paths, patch distribution and size, Torrent support, etcetera. In his introduction to the community, 2Kay answers those questions and many more in his new Dev Blog about the deployment of Trinity, our next free major content expansion. Delivering Trinity. kieron Director of Community Relations, EVE Online EVE Online, CCP Games Email/Netfang Look Ma, I'm in a Dev thread! Oh wait...

Phoenix T'ril Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.16 18:35:00 - [2] Snazzy, looking forward to it! -- I do not speak for my corp, or my alliance.
Drakarian Blacksteel Mining and Manufacturing Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium	Posted - 2007.10.16 18:37:00 - [3] Can't wait, Trinity will be awesome! Question though, I have BITS disabled (as I'm sure others out there do as well) since I don't like the idea of MS being able to upload stuff to my machine whenever they feel like it. Will CCP offer a regular download for the new content in addition to the BITS download?
Braeriach	Posted - 2007.10.16 18:44:00 - [4] Edited by: Braeriach on 16/10/2007 18:45:31 Rollox!! (local slang terminology ) It looks like I need a swish new gfx card with SM3 goodness. Oh well, might as well get one with duel output so I can run two monitors. Edit: swear filter being too keen.
Zaphroid Eulthran Minmatar Imperial Visions	Posted - 2007.10.16 18:47:00 - [5] Damn, no SM3 for me Hi-Sec Industry NEEDS Mini Freighters You know those small corps that actually build stuff.
Tonto Auri	Posted - 2007.10.16 18:49:00 - [6] Short question. Basically, would it be possible to use new engine with old, fast graphics? Even if I have SM3 compat card, I do not want to waste too much of overall system perfomance to feed graphics only (again). -- Thanks CCP for cu<end of sig>
Two step Amarr Chosen Path Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2007.10.16 18:51:00 - [7] What about for those of us with multiple client installs on the same machine? Will the EVE client queue up multiple downloads?
Helison Gallente Times of Ancar Pure.	Posted - 2007.10.16 19:00:00 - [8] 1. How will this works for the test server (singularity)? 2. Thanks for this short devblog about the deployment of the patch, now please deliver the real devblog about Trinity II.
Toramt	Posted - 2007.10.16 19:15:00 - [9] The 'for client security' part is specious -- the client can be securely distributed by anyone so long as CCP publishes the checksums of the package. There is no need for them to host their own torrent tracker / seed cluster to make that distribution method safe. Furthermore, CCP doesn't need to host an entire seeding cluster. just one seed -- let the power of bittorrent take care of the rest. If someone gets the entire file via a non-torrent method, they can always join the torrent with the fully-formed file and immediately begin seeding.
Nefeylia Ira Lyonesse. United Legion	Posted - 2007.10.16 19:21:00 - [10] Your graphics card supports Shader Model 3! peeew ---
Cailais Amarr VITOC Fang Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.16 19:26:00 - [11] My aging 6600s actually support SM3 C. - sig designer - eve mail
Tonto Auri	Posted - 2007.10.16 19:36:00 - [12] Originally by: Cailais My aging 6600s actually support SM3 C. Dude... --------------------------- CCP Shader Model 3 checker --------------------------- Your graphics card: NVIDIA GeForce 6200 Supports Shader Model 3.0 --------------------------- OK --------------------------- -- Thanks CCP for cu<end of sig>
Ix Forres Vanguard Frontiers INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.10.16 19:40:00 - [13] I'm very sceptical about BITS- for one thing, how are the Mac/Linux beta users going to be using this? And I, like many Windows users, have BITS disabled. Will there be alternatives for download? HTTP or Bittorrent? Yes, Bittorrent can't be relied upon entirely, but it can certainly be used by the majority of EVE players... ISKsense \| Blog
zeeZ Exus Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.10.16 19:42:00 - [14] Edited by: zeeZ Exus on 16/10/2007 19:43:08 Originally by: Tonto Auri Your graphics card: NVIDIA GeForce 6200 Supports Shader Model 3.0 I can beat that! Your graphics card: NVIDIA GeForce Go 6100 Supports Shader Model 3.0 Also, I don't have that BITS service anymore... That's one of the first things I disable/get rid of after a new install
Kw4h Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.10.16 19:46:00 - [15] Originally by: Two step What about for those of us with multiple client installs on the same machine? Will the EVE client queue up multiple downloads? Aye, same question here. Is the file stored somewhere, so we can copy it over to other machines or clients on the current pc? _ Planet Sight Wallpaper - EvE map
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Hooligans Of War Insurgency	Posted - 2007.10.16 20:02:00 - [16] Originally by: Ix Forres Edited by: Ix Forres on 16/10/2007 19:52:56 I'm very sceptical about BITS- for one thing, how are the Mac/Linux beta users going to be using this? You can always download the full client using http. Jita fix: The distributed market hub
Tonto Auri	Posted - 2007.10.16 20:07:00 - [17] Hint to who want to beat me: First learn how to press Ctrl+C in Windows message boxes! -- Thanks CCP for cu<end of sig>
Blind Man Angel Deep Corporation	Posted - 2007.10.16 20:12:00 - [18] Originally by: Cailais My aging 6600s actually support SM3 C. yeah and my X850XT PE doesnt.. man I want to kill ATI for this haha
Kyp Arron	Posted - 2007.10.16 20:13:00 - [19] Argh i cant find out if my Graphic card supprots SHM3... As ATI(AMD) curses stopped supporting the mobility series i had to take drivers from another graphic card ^^. I can only say that this (Desktop-)Card supports it ^^ But cant say, that my real one does... Although on the I-Net i found some notes that my card supports it. So there is still hope I got a mobility radeon x1400 in my notebook btw ^^ Luv it CANT wait for the Update
Valeo Galaem New Eden Advanced Reconnaissance Unit	Posted - 2007.10.16 20:14:00 - [20] Your graphics card: Direct3D HAL Supports Shader Model 3.0 Woot!! Have a GeForce 6600 but running under Wine in Linux. So this means the new client should start, but will it crash Thar be Pirates You are not authorised to hack into CONCORD's mainframe Your Wallet has been emptied! CONCORD Encryption Methods

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2007.10.16 20:15:00 - [21] Originally by: Drakarian I have BITS disabled (as I'm sure others out there do as well) since I don't like the idea of MS being able to upload stuff to my machine whenever they feel like it. Will CCP offer a regular download for the new content in addition to the BITS download? Both patches will be available for download (the application patch from Revelations II to Trinity Classic, as well as the art content patch from Trinity Classic to Trinity) as well as full installers for both editions. We're investigating offering a torrent but I can't make any promises yet. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games


CCP Explorer	Posted - 2007.10.16 20:18:00 - [22] Originally by: Ix Forres I'm very sceptical about BITS- for one thing, how are the Mac/Linux beta users going to be using this? TransGaming's Cedega / Cider does not support Shader Model 3. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Tonto Auri	Posted - 2007.10.16 20:19:00 - [23] What about eDonkey network? I can't use torrents, but I have eMule client working quite well. -- Thanks CCP for cu<end of sig>

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2007.10.16 20:20:00 - [24] Originally by: Kyp Arron I got a mobility radeon x1400 in my notebook ATI Mobility Radeon X1400 supports DX9 SM3, as far as I know. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Akira Zendragon Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.10.16 20:43:00 - [25] Originally by: CCP Explorer TransGaming's Cedega / Cider does not support Shader Model 3. I WAS looking forward to getting the Mac client and ditching windows for good... darn
IlluminatedOne Amarr Tycho Brahe Fan Club	Posted - 2007.10.16 20:51:00 - [26] Edited by: IlluminatedOne on 16/10/2007 20:51:19 Originally by: Akira Zendragon I WAS looking forward to getting the Mac client and ditching windows for good... darn VMWare? (bad advice, I know, but nice if you love your Mac.)

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2007.10.16 20:55:00 - [27] Edited by: CCP Explorer on 16/10/2007 20:55:16 Originally by: IlluminatedOne Originally by: Akira Zendragon I WAS looking forward to getting the Mac client and ditching windows for good... darn VMWare? (bad advice, I know, but nice if you love your Mac.) VMware only has experimental support for DirectX. Parallels support it however. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Kastal British Legion The Core Collective	Posted - 2007.10.16 20:56:00 - [28] Is there a date set yet? and are there any other requirements other than SM3? -------------------------------------------------- Ordinarily he was insane, but he had lucid moments when he was merely stupid.
Cyan Nuevo Dudes In Crazy Killing Ships	Posted - 2007.10.16 21:24:00 - [29] Originally by: Tonto Auri Short question. Basically, would it be possible to use new engine with old, fast graphics? Even if I have SM3 compat card, I do not want to waste too much of overall system perfomance to feed graphics only (again). If I'm understanding the blog correctly, you can just never install the content upgrade and your system will continue using the old GFX. Now I'm not positive about this, but I think that the SM3 version of the engine will in fact be more efficient than the other (though it is using higher-poly models), so you probably wouldn't be sacrificing much performance anyway. --- Proud Amarr pilot.
Alora Venoda Caldari GalTech	Posted - 2007.10.16 21:37:00 - [30] i have a question about what all goes into the new "graphics content"... does this mean if a ship gets a new 3-D model in trinity, then will the classic version still use the old 3-D model? i am sure that the new graphics will have shiny new textures, special effects, and even some improved background images, but what about the actual 3-D models? i just think it would be silly and maybe even confusing if things looked radically different between the two versions... ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ Take away the risk and it would make flying around in space utterly pointless. Take away the flying around part and you make EVE into a space themed spreadsheet application.
Amida Ta	Posted - 2007.10.16 21:42:00 - [31] Originally by: Alora Venoda i have a question about what all goes into the new "graphics content"... does this mean if a ship gets a new 3-D model in trinity, then will the classic version still use the old 3-D model? i am sure that the new graphics will have shiny new textures, special effects, and even some improved background images, but what about the actual 3-D models? i just think it would be silly and maybe even confusing if things looked radically different between the two versions... Well the ships have been remodelled, so they WILL look different, however surely not radically different. Just look at the differences on the screenshots that are floating around.
Bruce McMoose	Posted - 2007.10.16 21:54:00 - [32] Well CCP.. My GFX card handles Shader 3, BUT the major question is, Do your upgraded server weasels support Shader 3? Also another question, will memory requirements be increased? Would be nice if you could post an upgraded system requirements (along with recommended)
Tikanom Angel of War Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.10.16 21:55:00 - [33] How does the new stuff behave on SM2 cards, compared to SM3? I've never cared much about graphics...I just want the game to be responsive enough that I don't lose response time compared to kids with a $6k gaming system.
Kernel Sander Epiphyte Mining and Exploration Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2007.10.16 22:00:00 - [34] Edited by: Kernel Sander on 16/10/2007 22:00:27 Is the MacOSX release (which you guys promised for November, IIRC) under the same constraints? Will it be classic only? Are you still releasing it? Can you give out any information at all? Please? --- THIS IS MY SIG. BUNNIES AND STUFF --- ----- INSERT ASCII AMIGA LOGO HERE -----

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2007.10.16 22:03:00 - [35] Originally by: Kernel Sander Edited by: Kernel Sander on 16/10/2007 22:00:27 Is the MacOSX release (which you guys promised for November, IIRC) under the same constraints? Will it be classic only? Are you still releasing it? Can you give out any information at all? Mac and Linux are Classic since TransGaming's Cedega / Cider only support DX9 SM2. For more information about that release, please read this thread. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Lord Trader	Posted - 2007.10.16 22:11:00 - [36] Any plans to take advantage and fully support SLI or crossfire for EVE?
Kernel Sander Epiphyte Mining and Exploration Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2007.10.16 22:29:00 - [37] Originally by: CCP Explorer Mac and Linux are Classic since TransGaming's Cedega / Cider only support DX9 SM2. For more information about that release, please read this thread. Thank you very kindly for the information. --- THIS IS MY SIG. BUNNIES AND STUFF --- ----- INSERT ASCII AMIGA LOGO HERE -----
zeeZ Exus Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.10.16 22:30:00 - [38] Originally by: Bruce McMoose My GFX card handles Shader 3, BUT the major question is, Do your upgraded server weasels support Shader 3? (Those) servers don't do graphics, they're pretty short-sighted upgraded weasels/hamsters.
Aki Yamato	Posted - 2007.10.16 22:32:00 - [39] Originally by: Bruce McMoose Well CCP.. My GFX card handles Shader 3, BUT the major question is, Do your upgraded server weasels support Shader 3? Also another question, will memory requirements be increased? Would be nice if you could post an upgraded system requirements (along with recommended) I gues that baldeservers with some ATI itegrated GFX does not support SM at all. BIG GUN BIG FUTURE
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Hooligans Of War Insurgency	Posted - 2007.10.16 23:11:00 - [40] Originally by: Lord Trader Any plans to take advantage and fully support SLI or crossfire for EVE? I'm not sure about SLI but crossfire is working as intended. Jita fix: The distributed market hub
Kasak Black The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.10.16 23:17:00 - [41] Oh sugar puffs, my puny x700 laptop card doesn't support SM3 Prehaps I should invest in a new computer!
Trek Minmatar N.A.G.A Corporation	Posted - 2007.10.16 23:35:00 - [42] It is unfortunate that Wine does not support SM3.0 yet (nor does Cedega aparently). One can only hope that there are possibilities to use some of the new stuff with SM2.0 too. (read somewhere that bioshock and other new games could be used with the older SM with some tweaking). Unfortunatly given the current track record of CCP I highly doubt they will make any effort. Was the New-Stuff-Windows-Only some demand from Microsoft one might wonder... --- My other ship is a Reaper
niroshido Caldari M. Corp M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.10.16 23:47:00 - [43] nice blog, lookin forward to sexified graphics
Loli Killjoy	Posted - 2007.10.16 23:54:00 - [44] Originally by: Tikanom How does the new stuff behave on SM2 cards, compared to SM3? I've never cared much about graphics...I just want the game to be responsive enough that I don't lose response time compared to kids with a $6k gaming system. $6k...my geforce7800 when i got it last year was like $150 with rebate from buy.com. Id imagine its even less now. Ibet you could probably update to a SM3 card for less than $100.
Jason Edwards	Posted - 2007.10.16 23:59:00 - [45] I have a question. Quote: What requirements are there for the new content? To be able to use the new content you will need a graphics card that supports Shader Model 3 So if my video card for example doesn't support SM3. Will I be capable of continuing with the game? So it is simply the "new content" is all that won't work for me. Which arises 2 questions. How far does this "new content" go? Does it mean I cannot ever use the T2 battleships? or simply that the gfx aren't as good looking? Also will the new content be optional to download?
Miranda Duvall Gallente OPM Holdings	Posted - 2007.10.17 00:08:00 - [46] Edited by: Miranda Duvall on 17/10/2007 00:08:22 Originally by: Jason Edwards I have a question. Quote: What requirements are there for the new content? To be able to use the new content you will need a graphics card that supports Shader Model 3 So if my video card for example doesn't support SM3. Will I be capable of continuing with the game? So it is simply the "new content" is all that won't work for me. Which arises 2 questions. How far does this "new content" go? Does it mean I cannot ever use the T2 battleships? or simply that the gfx aren't as good looking? Also will the new content be optional to download? The "new content" is just a bunch (1 GB worth) of shinyer textures and models. Also: looking forward to the patch: I have BITS always enabled, and tell everybody to keep it that way since i like the fact that MS has this autoupdate feature for security patches! (Flame away, im an MS fanboy through and through, no nix or nux will ever set foot in my house!) My Skills -Invention HowTo
Sprzedawczyk	Posted - 2007.10.17 00:14:00 - [47] I already hate that BITS framework/application/whatever. Be free to use it as main distribution lane, but don't forget 'vanilla' http download as well Secondly - you're a company with over two hundred employees and milions of Ç of pure income. I'm pretty sure you can afford one or two basic server ppackages and run them as tracker&seeders. We all know BT sucks compared to CDN, but there are hundreds of your customers asking for it. They want it, so be nice and deliver. They are your bloody customers FFS. If having BT download will make them happy, then so be it.
James Duar Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.17 00:22:00 - [48] Originally by: Cyan Nuevo Originally by: Tonto Auri Short question. Basically, would it be possible to use new engine with old, fast graphics? Even if I have SM3 compat card, I do not want to waste too much of overall system perfomance to feed graphics only (again). If I'm understanding the blog correctly, you can just never install the content upgrade and your system will continue using the old GFX. Now I'm not positive about this, but I think that the SM3 version of the engine will in fact be more efficient than the other (though it is using higher-poly models), so you probably wouldn't be sacrificing much performance anyway. What he's asking is if he can use the current content on the new engine, since being lower-poly count and all it would presumably run quicker on an engine which is optimized to actually use a modern graphics accelerator.
Phoenix Lord The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.10.17 01:27:00 - [49] Edited by: Phoenix Lord on 17/10/2007 01:28:40 Edited by: Phoenix Lord on 17/10/2007 01:27:05 Originally by: Bruce McMoose Well CCP.. My GFX card handles Shader 3, BUT the major question is, Do your upgraded server weasels support Shader 3? Also another question, will memory requirements be increased? Would be nice if you could post an upgraded system requirements (along with recommended) Graphics have... no impact on servers Originally by: Tikanom How does the new stuff behave on SM2 cards, compared to SM3? I've never cared much about graphics...I just want the game to be responsive enough that I don't lose response time compared to kids with a $6k gaming system. 6k? lol, my 1.2k system gets 8k in 3dmark06 EDIT: Btw.. does any one else get confused by that diagram? Wtf is Trinity 1.0 and 1.1? EDIT2: Oh wait, nvm, its just a way to show how future patches would go im assuming.. right? _____
Princess Kristie	Posted - 2007.10.17 03:12:00 - [50] Question: Would you spend AUD 155 for a nvidia 256mb 8600GT or AUD 245 for 256mb 8600GTS??? Budget GPU or above-average GPU???
Medigan Kostas Gallente Ambient Twilight Operations	Posted - 2007.10.17 03:25:00 - [51] Originally by: Princess Kristie Question: Would you spend AUD 155 for a nvidia 256mb 8600GT or AUD 245 for 256mb 8600GTS??? Budget GPU or above-average GPU??? I have a 8600 GT 512 MB and it runs Bioshock and Unreal 3 demo without issue.
Jason Edwards	Posted - 2007.10.17 05:55:00 - [52] Originally by: Miranda Duvall Edited by: Miranda Duvall on 17/10/2007 00:08:22 Originally by: Jason Edwards I have a question. Quote: What requirements are there for the new content? To be able to use the new content you will need a graphics card that supports Shader Model 3 So if my video card for example doesn't support SM3. Will I be capable of continuing with the game? So it is simply the "new content" is all that won't work for me. Which arises 2 questions. How far does this "new content" go? Does it mean I cannot ever use the T2 battleships? or simply that the gfx aren't as good looking? Also will the new content be optional to download? The "new content" is just a bunch (1 GB worth) of shinyer textures and models. Also: looking forward to the patch: I have BITS always enabled, and tell everybody to keep it that way since i like the fact that MS has this autoupdate feature for security patches! (Flame away, im an MS fanboy through and through, no nix or nux will ever set foot in my house!) Thanks for the response. As for the whole MS fanboy thing... its not really that bad or good. Personally I've kept the service offline as basically it's never used and if it's needed it can be activated by whatever program. On another note. I've ordered myself a nice new video card. Should significantly make things run smoother as my video card as it is seems to be closer to the weakest link.
Ramov Tinoga Tinoga Enterprises	Posted - 2007.10.17 07:34:00 - [53] The recommended system configuration says RAM: 1024 MB. Will this change with Trininty II (shiny new high-res textures and models and stuff)? I haven't have any low memory problems with EVE, even when running 2 accounts at the same time, but am thinking to upgrade to 2GB. ----- Verify client downloads with MD5 checksums!
Rimhawk Caldari Vengeance 8 Interceptors	Posted - 2007.10.17 08:04:00 - [54] To any CCP dev: Has any testing been done to see what kind of system and graphics card is needed to run two clients simultaneously with the new engine? I have a Geforce 7800 (with 256MB from the top of my head), a P4 3.0 GHz HT and 2 GB of Ram and a dual-screen 19" LCD monitor setup, all A-brand quality components. I usually run both clients on a dual screen setup at resolution 1152x8xx (something). Barring any special circumstances of course, but in general should I still be able to run two clients simultaneously using the new graphics engine? .
Matthew Caldari BloodStar Technologies	Posted - 2007.10.17 08:09:00 - [55] Originally by: Trek It is unfortunate that Wine does not support SM3.0 yet (nor does Cedega aparently). One can only hope that there are possibilities to use some of the new stuff with SM2.0 too. (read somewhere that bioshock and other new games could be used with the older SM with some tweaking). Unfortunatly given the current track record of CCP I highly doubt they will make any effort. Was the New-Stuff-Windows-Only some demand from Microsoft one might wonder... Not everything is a grand conspiracy by Mircrosoft. Applying the two render paths we do have has already soaked up piles of man-years. While they could implement an SM2 path as well, they have to balance the benefit of doing so with the extra time it will take both to create, and in ongoing maintenance. In terms of people limited to SM2 by hardware, they are a relatively small group, and will only get smaller. In terms of implementing an SM2 path specifically for wine/cedega support, they will also have to balance factors such as likely take-up of the client under that platform, likely timescale for SM3 support being added etc. It may be that they choose to assist the SM3 support project instead if it's going to be a better use of resources (in the same way as they've supported Python development in the past). ------- There is no magic Wand of Fixing, and it is not powered by forum whines.
RiotRick Black-Sun	Posted - 2007.10.17 08:18:00 - [56] Edited by: RiotRick on 17/10/2007 08:19:19 Unfortunately I have a graphics card that only supports SM 2.0 (ATI Mobility Radeon X700). The machine I use is a laptop so upgrading atm is not an option. So I'll be stuck with the Trinity Classic client for a while. Will this classic client use the new graphic engine with the old graphics, or will it still use the old engine? I'm wondering about this, because we've been reading about all these nice (performance) improvements in the graphics engine besides the new shiny grapichs. Will the classic client benefit from most of these improvements while using the old less shiny graphics?
Witchking Minmatar British Federation	Posted - 2007.10.17 08:45:00 - [57] Your graphics card does not support SM 3.0 x1950 here we come......
Bob Niac Gallente FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.17 09:19:00 - [58] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Ix Forres I'm very sceptical about BITS- for one thing, how are the Mac/Linux beta users going to be using this? TransGaming's Cedega / Cider does not support Shader Model 3. ...... HUH? I may be out of the loop, but OpenGL has extensions for this. Why a WineHQ-based api would NOT support SM3.0 is beyond me.
Bob Niac Gallente FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.17 09:25:00 - [59] ok .. If you have a Geforce 6 card or better you have SM 3. If you have Radeon x### card or better you have SM 3. This is subject to change for certain budget variants of said cards, of course. When in doubt, run the app.
Bombcrater DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.17 09:48:00 - [60] Originally by: Bob Niac If you have Radeon x### card or better you have SM 3. Please stop spreading disinformation. The Radeon Xxxx family (X300 to X850) do not have SM3 support. ATI introduced SM3 with the X1000 (X1300-X1950) family.
Azrael Maxim Flexible Demeanour	Posted - 2007.10.17 09:53:00 - [61] How about having the large client patch mirrored on Gamershell they have excellent download speeds most of the time, and most probably would be happy to host the file for free, as they do with almost all other games.
Khan Soriano Beyond Divinity Inc Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2007.10.17 10:21:00 - [62] I understand that to view EVE in its full glory we need SM3.0. But will those unfortunate souls that don't have one, benefit from the new client? Ie. less processor strain, more things done on graphics card side? Graphical advancements are one thing, client optimisation is something else. ----- Arbitrator - Life & Death
Dav Varan	Posted - 2007.10.17 10:23:00 - [63] I'm pretty sure my Graphcis card does sm3 But the rest of my system is pretty old. If I download the new engine and it kicks the crap out of my framerate will I be able to easily switch back ? Is it a good Idea to save a copy of the prefs.ini and settings folder before I start the upgrade in case I need to do a re-install of the old client ? Oh and btw can you please ask the graphics department to glue on the Scorpions missing wing in the new graphics model please
Kasak Black The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.10.17 10:53:00 - [64] Originally by: Bombcrater Originally by: Bob Niac If you have Radeon x### card or better you have SM 3. Please stop spreading disinformation. The Radeon Xxxx family (X300 to X850) do not have SM3 support. ATI introduced SM3 with the X1000 (X1300-X1950) family. Aye confirmed, my Radeon x700 doesn't support SM3.
Kasak Black The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.10.17 10:55:00 - [65] Originally by: Dav Varan If I download the new engine and it kicks the crap out of my framerate will I be able to easily switch back ? Yeah, just un-install the Client and go download the Classic client from the website, and re-install that.
Vala Draaken Madhatters Inc. M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.10.17 11:17:00 - [66] Originally by: Khan Soriano I understand that to view EVE in its full glory we need SM3.0. But will those unfortunate souls that don't have one, benefit from the new client? Ie. less processor strain, more things done on graphics card side? Graphical advancements are one thing, client optimisation is something else. Originally by: Kasak Black Originally by: Dav Varan If I download the new engine and it kicks the crap out of my framerate will I be able to easily switch back ? Yeah, just un-install the Client and go download the Classic client from the website, and re-install that. No, you can't go back. Everyone gets the new graphics engine. The only difference between Classic and Premium content will be, how good it looks, as explained here. Originally by: CCP Explorer ... There will be one client but two installs. The same graphics engine and the same game code will be in both installs, but different graphics content. The smaller install, codenamed "Classic", will only contain the DX8 graphics content while the full client will contain both DX8 and DX9 SM3 graphics content. ... And you don't need to uninstall to switch between Classic and Premium content, as explained here. Originally by: CCP Explorer ... The client will be switchable between the DX8 and DX9SM3 content. --------
Amira Silvermist The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2007.10.17 11:20:00 - [67] Your graphics card: ATI MOBILITY RADEON 9600/9700 Series (Omega 3.8.360) Doesn not support Shader Model 3.0 Awww frack! ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Vala Draaken Madhatters Inc. M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.10.17 11:54:00 - [68] Edited by: Vala Draaken on 17/10/2007 11:55:18 There are a couple of confusing statements in this blog, which I think should be corrected. Originally by: "Delivering Trinity by CCP 2Kay" There will be two editions of the EVE client now, ... I think this should be changed to: "There will be two editions of the EVE installer now, ...", since the rest of the blog, seems to be indicating that. (See my previous post in this thread for more details on that) Originally by: "Delivering Trinity by CCP 2Kay" Trinity Classic with the old content, a more compact download which everyone will be able to run and Trinity, the upgraded client with the new content that utilizes the new graphics engine to its full potential Again, this contradicts the following parts of the blog, by giving the impression that there are two different clients. And because "content" in relation to previous Eve expansions and blogs, used to include new features, ship classes, missions and so on. Using it, like in the above quote, makes it sound like you'll only get the new goodies if you upgrade to the non-existant Trinity Premium client. When in reality, "content" in this blog simply means better looking graphics. Edit: Cut and paste error --------
Khan Soriano Beyond Divinity Inc Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2007.10.17 12:40:00 - [69] Originally by: Vala Draaken Originally by: Khan Soriano I understand that to view EVE in its full glory we need SM3.0. But will those unfortunate souls that don't have one, benefit from the new client? Ie. less processor strain, more things done on graphics card side? Graphical advancements are one thing, client optimisation is something else. Originally by: Kasak Black Originally by: Dav Varan If I download the new engine and it kicks the crap out of my framerate will I be able to easily switch back ? Yeah, just un-install the Client and go download the Classic client from the website, and re-install that. No, you can't go back. Everyone gets the new graphics engine. The only difference between Classic and Premium content will be, how good it looks, as explained here. Originally by: CCP Explorer ... There will be one client but two installs. The same graphics engine and the same game code will be in both installs, but different graphics content. The smaller install, codenamed "Classic", will only contain the DX8 graphics content while the full client will contain both DX8 and DX9 SM3 graphics content. ... And you don't need to uninstall to switch between Classic and Premium content, as explained here. Originally by: CCP Explorer ... The client will be switchable between the DX8 and DX9SM3 content. Great thanks for the info. ----- Arbitrator - Life & Death
Altaree Red Frog Investments Blue Sky Consortium	Posted - 2007.10.17 12:43:00 - [70] Edited by: Altaree on 17/10/2007 12:44:37 Thank you for this post. It should help with a LOT of the confusion. I especially like the part about how I don't have to wait for the premium content before I can start playing after the patch. GREAT job working that part out! Here is the link to the Valve/Steam survey talked about in the article. The Survey
suzy homemaker	Posted - 2007.10.17 13:56:00 - [71] Edited by: suzy homemaker on 17/10/2007 13:59:44 One thing I am unclear on. If you do not have SM3 will the graphics still be CPU driven or will the graphics be now on the GPU? Or to it more clearly will all clients now have the graphics GPU driven? Suzy
Vala Draaken Madhatters Inc. M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.10.17 14:55:00 - [72] Originally by: suzy homemaker Edited by: suzy homemaker on 17/10/2007 13:59:44 One thing I am unclear on. If you do not have SM3 will the graphics still be CPU driven or will the graphics be now on the GPU? Or to it more clearly will all clients now have the graphics GPU driven? Suzy Yes. It would seem so based on the following info, I have located.: Originally by: CCP Explorer ... There will be one client but two installs. The same graphics engine and the same game code will be in both installs, but different graphics content. The smaller install, codenamed "Classic", will only contain the DX8 graphics content while the full client will contain both DX8 and DX9 SM3 graphics content. ... and also the following quote, linked by CCP Explorer here (second link in the post): Originally by: "Matthew" What CCP Explorer seems to be saying (and what makes the most sense): There will be just one graphics engine, Trinity II, whichever version you install. Trinity II has two render paths inside it. One requires DX8 and has hardware requirements identical to the current client. The other requires DX9 SM3 and therefore may not work on older graphics cards. This is the same approach that pretty much every modern game takes, they tend to just hide it behind "high" or "ultra" quality settings that simply don't appear if your hardware isn't up to it. Maintaining different render paths in the same engine is also vastly easier than trying to maintain two different engines, which is why I'm certain this is the route they will have taken. Going for the "classic" install simply means you use the existing models and textures, run through the DX8 render path of Trinity II. As Trinity II will be making proper use of your graphics card via either path, this is still likely to offer much improved performance over the current client, even if it doesn't improve the appearance. Opting to install the enhanced graphics download will give you the new models and textures, and allow you to use the DX9 SM3 render path, which will give you better-looking graphics in addition to the other advantages of the new engine. --------
Tareen Kashaar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.10.17 15:43:00 - [73] I have a very pressing concern. If the only difference between Premium and Classic will be models, textures (inc. shaders), but the underlying graphics engine will be the same, how hard could it be to offer the same damn thing in SM2.0 or SM1.4? Same high poly models, same textures, less complex shaders? This feels like the widening income gap. I sense a huge disparity! Civil unrest will ensue. Your regime will be toppled. Prepare the choppers! But seriously. Any backward compatibility planned? Otherwise I'm gonna cry like baby Jesus after reading the Armageddon day thread. --- WTS: Forum Signatures, price negotiable. Evemail me! Signature Your signature exceeds the 24000 byte limit allowed on the forums. -Darth Patches

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2007.10.17 16:05:00 - [74] Originally by: Tareen Kashaar If the only difference between Premium and Classic will be models, textures (inc. shaders), but the underlying graphics engine will be the same, how hard could it be to offer the same damn thing in SM2.0 or SM1.4? Same high poly models, same textures, less complex shaders? Here. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

M1AU The X-Trading Company Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.10.17 16:14:00 - [75] Thanks for the info! My graphics card supports SM3.0, unfortunately it seems there is no SM3.0 support yet with Transgamings Cedega. As I will never install a windows system again, I'm stuck with the classic client. Now as someone else already asked in this thread, will the classic client also use the new graphics engine with all thouse tweaks and optimisations as the Premium one just without the shiny new graphics? (and yes, I would also really like to see a SM2.0 patch or something! ;D )
Vala Draaken Madhatters Inc. M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.10.17 16:19:00 - [76] I just answered that 3 posts above yours. Vala D. -------- Qustions answered about Trinity, DX9 SM3 vs. SM2, Performance, DX10, Vista, Classic
Tareen Kashaar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.10.17 17:50:00 - [77] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Tareen Kashaar If the only difference between Premium and Classic will be models, textures (inc. shaders), but the underlying graphics engine will be the same, how hard could it be to offer the same damn thing in SM2.0 or SM1.4? Same high poly models, same textures, less complex shaders? Here. Thanks for the info, much appreciated. Then... how about a button to turn them off? /me smugs --- WTS: Forum Signatures, price negotiable. Evemail me! Signature Your signature exceeds the 24000 byte limit allowed on the forums. -Darth Patches
Merawen Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.17 17:51:00 - [78] Hi, does Trinity benefit from Dual/Quadcore CPUs? Mera
darkmancer	Posted - 2007.10.17 17:54:00 - [79] Couldn't some of the patch be preloaded? I know of the content will be changed, but surely alot of the files will be finshed. --------------------------------- There's a simple solution to every problem. It is always invariably wrong
FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.10.17 18:47:00 - [80] From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_dynamic_range_rendering#Graphics_cards_which_support_HDRR Shader Model 3.0 Compliant: From ATI R520 series: X1300 HyperMemory Edition, X1300, X1300 Pro, X1600 Pro, X1600 XT, X1650 Pro, X1650 XT, X1800 GTO, X1800 XL AIW, X1800 XL, X1800 XT, X1900 AIW, X1900 GT, X1900 XT, X1900 XTX, X1950 Pro, X1950 XT, X1950 XTX, ATi Xenos (Xbox 360) From NVIDIA GeForce 6: 6100, 6150, 6200, 6200 TC, 6500, 6600, 6600 LE, 6600 DDR2, 6600 GT, 6610 XL, 6700 XL, 6800, 6800 LE, 6800 XT, 6800 GS, 6800 GTO, 6800 GT, 6800 Ultra, 6800 Ultra Extreme GeForce 7: 7300 LE, 7300 GS, 7300 GT, 7600 GS, 7600 GT, 7800 GS, 7800 GT, 7800 GTX, 7800 GTX 512MB, 7900 GS, 7900 GT, 7950 GT, 7900 GTO, 7900 GTX, 7900 GX2, 7950 GX2, 7950 GT, nVidia RSX (PlayStation 3) Shader Model 4.0 Compliant From ATI R600 series: HD 2900 XT, HD 2900 Pro, HD 2900 GT, HD 2600 XT, HD 2600 Pro, HD 2400 XT, HD 2400 Pro, From NVIDIA Geforce 8: 8800 Ultra, 8800 GTX, 8800 GTS, 8600 GTS, 8600 GT, 8500 GT, 8400 GS, 8300 GS What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!
Sal Alo Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.10.17 19:00:00 - [81] Originally by: suzy homemaker Edited by: suzy homemaker on 17/10/2007 13:59:44 One thing I am unclear on. If you do not have SM3 will the graphics still be CPU driven or will the graphics be now on the GPU? Or to it more clearly will all clients now have the graphics GPU driven? Suzy
farfrael	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:18:00 - [82] Originally by: CCP kieron The next evolution of EVE is looming on the horizon and many questions about upgrade paths, patch distribution and size, Torrent support, etcetera. In his introduction to the community, 2Kay answers those questions and many more in his new Dev Blog about the deployment of Trinity, our next free major content expansion. Delivering Trinity Will people using alternative operating systems (Mac, linux) be able to download the patch "normally"? As that BITS technology seems to be Windows only it looks as if we won't even be able to download the update/patch
Ethidium Bromide ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.17 21:36:00 - [83] Originally by: Blind Man Originally by: Cailais My aging 6600s actually support SM3 C. yeah and my X850XT PE doesnt.. man I want to kill ATI for this haha great so mine won't either well X-mas is coming up anyway, 13th wage 4tw Originally by: George Petsch Nochricht: Dei schwarer StroinlSser trifftn Karli[Baatzis] und ruiniert erm so richtig de Dosn, 1343.7 schhodn, oida.
faxtarious Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.10.17 23:40:00 - [84] Originally by: FireFoxx80 From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_dynamic_range_rendering#Graphics_cards_which_support_HDRR Shader Model 3.0 Compliant: From ATI R520 series: X1300 HyperMemory Edition, X1300, X1300 Pro, X1600 Pro, X1600 XT, X1650 Pro, X1650 XT, X1800 GTO, X1800 XL AIW, X1800 XL, X1800 XT, X1900 AIW, X1900 GT, X1900 XT, X1900 XTX, X1950 Pro, X1950 XT, X1950 XTX, ATi Xenos (Xbox 360) From NVIDIA GeForce 6: 6100, 6150, 6200, 6200 TC, 6500, 6600, 6600 LE, 6600 DDR2, 6600 GT, 6610 XL, 6700 XL, 6800, 6800 LE, 6800 XT, 6800 GS, 6800 GTO, 6800 GT, 6800 Ultra, 6800 Ultra Extreme GeForce 7: 7300 LE, 7300 GS, 7300 GT, 7600 GS, 7600 GT, 7800 GS, 7800 GT, 7800 GTX, 7800 GTX 512MB, 7900 GS, 7900 GT, 7950 GT, 7900 GTO, 7900 GTX, 7900 GX2, 7950 GX2, 7950 GT, nVidia RSX (PlayStation 3) Shader Model 4.0 Compliant From ATI R600 series: HD 2900 XT, HD 2900 Pro, HD 2900 GT, HD 2600 XT, HD 2600 Pro, HD 2400 XT, HD 2400 Pro, From NVIDIA Geforce 8: 8800 Ultra, 8800 GTX, 8800 GTS, 8600 GTS, 8600 GT, 8500 GT, 8400 GS, 8300 GS I was checking last night and it said that the support for SM3 starts from the 6600's
James Duar Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.18 00:29:00 - [85] Edited by: James Duar on 18/10/2007 00:29:17 I'd just like to say that this has been an incredibly uninformative dev blog since it's taken about a day for me to establish what was actually being said in it and was finally completely summarized by other, much shorter posts.
Kuzya Morozov Gallente Beets and Gravy Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.18 00:41:00 - [86] Main concern for me is that the download doesn't crawl at 20kb/s in the first hours of the release because everyone will be dling, looks like the EVE folks got this covered though, hope so and looking forward to it! :) training skills... :(
Zoltar Torzoid Gallente Swag Co. Endless Horizon	Posted - 2007.10.18 01:41:00 - [87] Edited by: Zoltar Torzoid on 18/10/2007 01:41:13 This REALLY needs to be answered. For those that don't have cards that support SM3, have there been enhancements to the "old" graphics engine to make more use of the vid card and be less of a strain on the CPU? Don't get me wrong, the new "content" (ships and whatnot) is awesome. But I've been looking for a smoother, more streamlined client since you guys announced the plan for a new engine +/- 2 years ago. I agree with a previous poster that this blog is extremely uninformative. The short version of the entire Blog could be this, "This is how we're releasing the patch. yadda yadda yadda. OH! BTW! 48% of you can't use the new graphics engine we've been talking up for the past 2 years. Good luck!" This bothers me greatly. I hope so very much that the lack of information in this blog includes all the tweaks to the "old" client that 48% of us are still gonna be forced to use. Please tell me I haven't been waiting all this time for nothing. (once again. not talking about the new content.) -Zoltar We Build the Stuff You Steal
Tres Farmer	Posted - 2007.10.18 02:05:00 - [88] Originally by: Zoltar Torzoid Edited by: Zoltar Torzoid on 18/10/2007 01:41:13 This REALLY needs to be answered. For those that don't have cards that support SM3, have there been enhancements to the "old" graphics engine to make more use of the vid card and be less of a strain on the CPU? ... Can't you at least READ 3 pages of a thread before you start to whine?! Look up, at post #75.. Or via this link: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=615288&page=3#75 So, the engine is new FOR ALL, it will use your GPU and what not else.. but you won't have the gimmicks of DirectX9, when your GraCa doesn't support SM3.0. Only DirectX8. Clear? Fine.. Only thing that bothers me is my notebook.. damn x700 mobility radeon. Well at least the Engine beneath the client will be better now, hrhr :) Will look at the shiny, funky new grfics-stuff on my desktop.. geforce 6600GT. Thanks for Info CCP
Zoltar Torzoid Gallente Swag Co. Endless Horizon	Posted - 2007.10.18 02:25:00 - [89] ok, I read all 3 pages before posting. I'm not a dolt. Thank you for clearing up the graphics engine issue for me though. (I missed the link previously) I have another question though. I use DX9. My card does not support SM3, sucks to be me I guess. What I am seeing is that anyone that can't use SM3 is going to still be using dx8 software. Now, the difference between dx8 and dx9 may be minimal at best, I DON'T KNOW. I'm not a programmer. If that's the case then dx8/9 compatibility doesn't mean jack to me and life goes on in a not-so shiny way. None of this really matters though I guess, since nothing is going to be changed now. I guess my biggest issue is that from what I've heard, seen, and read over the last year or so is that those that are using DX9 would get the shiny new graphics. Now here it is, a month away from release, and now it's "anyone with a SM3 card gets to see the new shiny, and anyone with a card that cannot support it gets the old models, the old skins, the old everything wrapped up in a new engine regardless of the version of DX you use." I guess it boils down to the fact that I have DX9, and as far as I knew I wasn't gonna have to spend money I don't have to purchase a new machine, (yes I'd have to buy a whole new computer to upgrade) so I can see what I was told I was going to get to see. Stuff happens, I'll get over it. It's just poor advertising management in my opinion. I'm sure they knew months ago that SM3 was going to be required for the new graphics content. As soon as they made that decision they should have let people know so there would be time to make the proper changes. Waiting till a month before release to let that out of the bag is bad form at best, and maybe I'm just grumpy and what I say doesn't mean a thing. Oh, and do me a favor, don't lambaste me for asking a question in a discussion forum. It's not nice. -Zoltar We Build the Stuff You Steal
Skraeling Shortbus Caldari The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.10.18 07:59:00 - [90] Short devblog, but a nice one. Love to the Assault Frigate!
Eraggan Sadarr Phoenix Tribe	Posted - 2007.10.18 10:30:00 - [91] What happened to the Trinity 2 naming convention? Now you call the new engine for trinity....but that was also the name of the old engine. And i agree, that the SM3 requirements should have been released, as soon as you knew about it. Oh well....looking forward to seeing the new graphics. Eve Market Scanner

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2007.10.18 11:06:00 - [92] Originally by: farfrael Will people using alternative operating systems (Mac, linux) be able to download the patch "normally"? As that BITS technology seems to be Windows only it looks as if we won't even be able to download the update/patch Here. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games


CCP Explorer	Posted - 2007.10.18 11:13:00 - [93] Edited by: CCP Explorer on 18/10/2007 11:15:26 Originally by: Zoltar Torzoid This REALLY needs to be answered. For those that don't have cards that support SM3, have there been enhancements to the "old" graphics engine to make more use of the vid card and be less of a strain on the CPU? Don't get me wrong, the new "content" (ships and whatnot) is awesome. But I've been looking for a smoother, more streamlined client since you guys announced the plan for a new engine +/- 2 years ago. I agree with a previous poster that this blog is extremely uninformative. The short version of the entire Blog could be this, "This is how we're releasing the patch. yadda yadda yadda. OH! BTW! 48% of you can't use the new graphics engine we've been talking up for the past 2 years. Good luck!" This bothers me greatly. I hope so very much that the lack of information in this blog includes all the tweaks to the "old" client that 48% of us are still gonna be forced to use. Please tell me I haven't been waiting all this time for nothing. (once again. not talking about the new content.) That is a topic for another dev blog. While I understand your concerns and the questions you have then this dev blog was not about the new version of the Trinity graphics engine, but on how we are going to deliver the EVE Online: Trinity expansion, the download and patching process, i.e., the deployment of the Trinity expansion. A lot of players had been asking questions about its size and how we were going to deliver it so we decided to write a dev blog on that topic. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Tres Farmer	Posted - 2007.10.18 12:40:00 - [94] Originally by: Zoltar Torzoid ...Oh, and do me a favor, don't lambaste me for asking a question in a discussion forum. It's not nice. Sorry, that my post sounded that harsh to you.. english istn't my first language. Friends? knots tissue to remember this accident and express more carefully in future About your concerns with the shiny new stuff... I would see this veeerry relaxed. Look at the last ships, which entered the game.. they look waaaay better, than the old ones (compare raven/rokh). So in conclusion, I would bet my pants, that with the new engine - classic or not - all will see the new models and better effects and stuff. It just won't be the top notch gimmicks for the classic engine. I mean, CCP wants to grow with this game.. I've big doubts, that they'll keep 5 year old models.. just doesn't make sense.
Shevar Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.10.18 13:14:00 - [95] Edited by: Shevar on 18/10/2007 13:14:59 Quote: Trinity Classic with the old content Quote: Trinity, the upgraded client with the new content I do hope the only thing meant with content in this context is new spiffy graphics? And not content as in the new missions, new tech 2 ships and stuff? --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
flakeonium Amarr The Cruciform The Church.	Posted - 2007.10.18 13:53:00 - [96] Quote: It is worth mentioning that even though we are using terms such as "premium" and "upgrade", all expansions and upgrades to EVE are free. You will not be charged to upgrade your client to the Trinity or Trinity Classic versions. thx, you got me worried there a little bit that you would not stick to that philosophy. -------------------------------------------------- *<(:-}
Vala Draaken Madhatters Inc. M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.10.18 20:53:00 - [97] Originally by: Shevar I do hope the only thing meant with content in this context is new spiffy graphics? And not content as in the new missions, new tech 2 ships and stuff? I thought that, among other things, was confusing, too. Vala D. -------- Qustions answered about Trinity, DX9 SM3 vs. SM2, Performance, DX10, Vista, Classic
Veetor Gallente Acme Manufacturing	Posted - 2007.10.19 01:00:00 - [98] Nice that itt'l work with my crossfire x1950's. Wasnt this supposed to be revelations 3? Factional warfare and such?
Marcus Ailichi Lonely Maple Prospecting Group	Posted - 2007.10.19 09:20:00 - [99] Originally by: Merawen Hi, does Trinity benefit from Dual/Quadcore CPUs? Mera Requesting CCP answer for this My quadcore wants multicore support!
killmc Gallente The Black Guards Solaris Consortium	Posted - 2007.10.19 23:39:00 - [100] yea your ati x1400 supports shader model 3.0 glad of this new labtop and be pain to have to stop playing eve
Forum Owner	Posted - 2007.10.20 02:34:00 - [101] Originally by: Witchking Your graphics card does not support SM 3.0 x1950 here we come...... That's what I have, and I have to say that it's a great card.
Ignus Viator Amarr guided by voices deadspace society	Posted - 2007.10.20 15:30:00 - [102] Originally by: Veetor Nice that itt'l work with my crossfire x1950's. Wasnt this supposed to be revelations 3? Factional warfare and such? i have a question about setting up crossfire on x1950, i'll message u ingame
Ramblin Man Empyreum	Posted - 2007.10.21 01:42:00 - [103] 1 gig is above my threshold I'll be downloading the torrent -- whether or not I'm using a tracker from TPB or CCP is the only thing remaining to be decided. Welcome to the dark side old friend. .Shar Where we hate people through words.
Thulion	Posted - 2007.10.21 06:59:00 - [104] Radeon 9800 Does NOT support SM3!! I knew I had to upgrade
Yon89	Posted - 2007.10.21 13:37:00 - [105] would it be posible to say get it hosted on www.gamershell.com as the have a huge aray of mirrors that i get on my isp as free content. As we sort of have download limits down here in aus (yes it realy sucks that much ) Thanks yon89
Oratu Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.10.22 02:25:00 - [106] Edited by: Oratu on 22/10/2007 02:26:56 Edited by: Oratu on 22/10/2007 02:26:32 Originally by: Drakarian Can't wait, Trinity will be awesome! Question though, I have BITS disabled (as I'm sure others out there do as well) since I don't like the idea of MS being able to upload stuff to my machine whenever they feel like it. Will CCP offer a regular download for the new content in addition to the BITS download? Read the blog..it says u can opt for a full client DL.. ps MS does not just upload stuff via BITS willy nilly.... its used by the windows automatic update service...if u have automatic update turned off, or u have the option set to ask first before DL'ing(in which case bits will be used if u approve the updates), BITS pretty much does nothing..it is only used to transfer the automatic updates OR used by third party applications / Other MS software/services (WSUS ect) u have set to auto update.. MS paranoia ftl
Bacci Galu Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.10.22 02:37:00 - [107] Originally by: faxtarious Originally by: FireFoxx80 From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_dynamic_range_rendering#Graphics_cards_which_support_HDRR Shader Model 3.0 Compliant: From ATI R520 series: X1300 HyperMemory Edition, X1300, X1300 Pro, X1600 Pro, X1600 XT, X1650 Pro, X1650 XT, X1800 GTO, X1800 XL AIW, X1800 XL, X1800 XT, X1900 AIW, X1900 GT, X1900 XT, X1900 XTX, X1950 Pro, X1950 XT, X1950 XTX, ATi Xenos (Xbox 360) From NVIDIA GeForce 6: 6100, 6150, 6200, 6200 TC, 6500, 6600, 6600 LE, 6600 DDR2, 6600 GT, 6610 XL, 6700 XL, 6800, 6800 LE, 6800 XT, 6800 GS, 6800 GTO, 6800 GT, 6800 Ultra, 6800 Ultra Extreme GeForce 7: 7300 LE, 7300 GS, 7300 GT, 7600 GS, 7600 GT, 7800 GS, 7800 GT, 7800 GTX, 7800 GTX 512MB, 7900 GS, 7900 GT, 7950 GT, 7900 GTO, 7900 GTX, 7900 GX2, 7950 GX2, 7950 GT, nVidia RSX (PlayStation 3) Shader Model 4.0 Compliant From ATI R600 series: HD 2900 XT, HD 2900 Pro, HD 2900 GT, HD 2600 XT, HD 2600 Pro, HD 2400 XT, HD 2400 Pro, From NVIDIA Geforce 8: 8800 Ultra, 8800 GTX, 8800 GTS, 8600 GTS, 8600 GT, 8500 GT, 8400 GS, 8300 GS I was checking last night and it said that the support for SM3 starts from the 6600's Nope...all 6 series cards support SM3 Proof ?? a) i used to work for an nvidia tech. partner/PartnerForce Program company.. But i understand thats not exactly proof, so; b) http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce6_techspecs.html Maker of thy sig Yes i do make sigs, banners, corp logo's ect...
Bacci Galu Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.10.22 02:44:00 - [108] Edited by: Bacci Galu on 22/10/2007 02:54:31 Oh and for the record, just because your card supports SM3 DOES NOT mean it will run beautifuly.. i can comment in realtion to 6 series cards, and say this.. DONT count on getting ANY SM3 software at resaloutions above 1024x768 on cards less than 6600GT unless u like REAL slow slideshows.. even the 6600GT will not go much higher than 1024x768 without noticable decrease in performance on a game that utilizes Shader Model 3.. if u running higher res than 1024x768 and have a 6 series card below 6800 you are better off upgrading. If u have less than 6600 card...in all likleyhood (even at 1024x768) the game will look like a slideshow, if not refuse to run.. (i dont know any games that use SM3 that even get above 10-15 fps on cards less that 6600 even at 1024x768..most of them crash due to being bogged down EVEN IF the card, technicaly supports it) I can not speak for ATi cards regards Maker of thy sig Yes i do make sigs, banners, corp logo's ect...
Arekaine Gallente 101 Industries Division of Eden	Posted - 2007.10.22 14:33:00 - [109] Crap! My card sucks. Quick someone give me suggestions on a good card that supports SM3 and can will actully work on a Dell Plzzzz __________________________________________________ Due to a fatal error. This program has been forced to close. Please restart to fix the problem. Any unsaved data will be lost........Sucks huh?
Drethon Gallente Lutin Group	Posted - 2007.10.22 21:51:00 - [110] While you are busy making a really fancy graphics client, can be get a bear bones client? Some of us like to run this game on a 2Ghz dell laptop with less than 1g of memory and a sucky card (and I'm sure there are slower computers playing this game too). With my desktop I can crank the graphics card way down to get 20+fps but the graphics card in my laptop is too primitive to force the game quality down to increase FPS. With low FPS also comes a ridiculous amount of lag which lowering the quality of my desktop graphics card to up the FPS completely eliminated. Any love for us with cheap computers? "I may not believe in what you believe in but I will fight to the death to protect your right to believe."
Baleur Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.10.22 22:53:00 - [111] If you play a game often, such as EVE, why stick with a cheap computer or laptop? I mean, if you know that you play games alot, even if its just EVE, why buy a computer that cant handle it? Its not expensive. Avoid getting drunk for a few weeks and there you go, brand new computer money in your wallet. ------------------------- This post represents my entire corporation's views and opinions. ;>
Bacci Galu Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.10.23 01:02:00 - [112] Originally by: Arekaine Crap! My card sucks. Quick someone give me suggestions on a good card that supports SM3 and can will actully work on a Dell Plzzzz AGP: anything NV40 (6800) or above...7600gt is good bang for buck too PCI-E: 7800gts - 8600GT Maker of thy sig Yes i do make sigs, banners, corp logo's ect...
Bacci Galu Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.10.23 01:09:00 - [113] Originally by: Drethon While you are busy making a really fancy graphics client, can be get a bear bones client? Some of us like to run this game on a 2Ghz dell laptop with less than 1g of memory and a sucky card (and I'm sure there are slower computers playing this game too). With my desktop I can crank the graphics card way down to get 20+fps but the graphics card in my laptop is too primitive to force the game quality down to increase FPS. With low FPS also comes a ridiculous amount of lag which lowering the quality of my desktop graphics card to up the FPS completely eliminated. Any love for us with cheap computers? You only need to invest about 100 bucks maybe less to use the new engine... A 2ghz cpu and a AGP variant of 7600GT will run it easy as most the work is done by the GPU.. for playing games the priority for PC upgrades is; 1st)GPU 2nd)RAM (more of it, but only to a certin point then CPU takes presidence from 512 - 1024 or 1024 to 1536 will see very noticable improvments...above this u wont notice it much) 3rd)CPU if u spent 25-30 bucks on gettin ya RAM to 1024 and 70-100 bucks on a 7600GT AGP card ...u will be cookin with gas (ie good to go) For the record...there will be a low-fi version of the client should u not be in a position to upgrade Maker of thy sig Yes i do make sigs, banners, corp logo's ect...
Drethon Gallente Lutin Group	Posted - 2007.10.23 12:22:00 - [114] Originally by: Baleur If you play a game often, such as EVE, why stick with a cheap computer or laptop? I mean, if you know that you play games alot, even if its just EVE, why buy a computer that cant handle it? Its not expensive. Avoid getting drunk for a few weeks and there you go, brand new computer money in your wallet. Originally by: Bacci Galu Originally by: Drethon While you are busy making a really fancy graphics client, can be get a bear bones client? Some of us like to run this game on a 2Ghz dell laptop with less than 1g of memory and a sucky card (and I'm sure there are slower computers playing this game too). With my desktop I can crank the graphics card way down to get 20+fps but the graphics card in my laptop is too primitive to force the game quality down to increase FPS. With low FPS also comes a ridiculous amount of lag which lowering the quality of my desktop graphics card to up the FPS completely eliminated. Any love for us with cheap computers? You only need to invest about 100 bucks maybe less to use the new engine... A 2ghz cpu and a AGP variant of 7600GT will run it easy as most the work is done by the GPU.. for playing games the priority for PC upgrades is; 1st)GPU 2nd)RAM (more of it, but only to a certin point then CPU takes presidence from 512 - 1024 or 1024 to 1536 will see very noticable improvments...above this u wont notice it much) 3rd)CPU if u spent 25-30 bucks on gettin ya RAM to 1024 and 70-100 bucks on a 7600GT AGP card ...u will be cookin with gas (ie good to go) For the record...there will be a low-fi version of the client should u not be in a position to upgrade Some of us have families and mortgages and choose not to purchase beer and instead pay off our house. I payed $100 for a memory upgrade for my laptop only to find out it used dual 128K memory chips so my new 500k memory chip for my laptop gives me a total of 628K. If you can find me a laptop (yes laptop, I may play Eve a lot but I prefer to have a laptop so I can be in the living room with my family instead of holed up in a computer room) or laptop upgrade that costs $100 instead of $1-2000 then I'll use it. Until then it will be a while until I can upgrade. "I may not believe in what you believe in but I will fight to the death to protect your right to believe."
Jess Ica Gallente Star Productions and Research	Posted - 2007.10.24 20:22:00 - [115] Sounds all very nice but 1 thing This new grafic needs some kind of engine support which a Radeon850XT does not support.....which i think is a bad joke. This grafic card is hot and not even very old but the engine u ask for for the "advanced version of the game" is barely supported by most cards....That after i checked the hardware store and the producer sites.....maybe u get a better system than this.....maybe even a list with which cards support this new thing as it's a pain in the ass to change the grafic card for this patch. (Yes i know not needed but WTF i think every1 wants this new engine.....and not every1 wants to upgrade a 1 year old grafic card like me for a new 1 which u can barely find to buy!
Loyal Servant Caldari Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.10.25 00:55:00 - [116] I can tell that CCP are in bed with Micro$oft. Instead of being wishy washy about torrents, which are VERY EASY TO MAKE...... BITS is the piece of Windows Update that is exposed thru COM and requires knowledge of said system. Now, I agree that ISPs are being shills for the RIAA and others but saying 'we might' offer a torrent then we 'are not' offering a torrent and so forth, is nuts. If you guys don't offer it SOMEONE ELSE WILL. Think that one over. BTW, BITS is broken on one of my machines and I have been manually installing windows updates.... so what about me?
gordon861 Minmatar Head Insurance Services	Posted - 2007.10.26 12:44:00 - [117] Will I be able to run both the enhanced and th eoriginal client at the same time on the same PC ? Currently have my main account on the large main screen, and my alt on the smaller lower res screen. It would be a waste of processing power to run them both at max res if not needed. Originally by: CCP Arkanon I frown on employees being power players to the extent that their gameplay results in any sort of domination over others. I donÆt believe CCP employees should run the EVE universe.
Igor Epocci	Posted - 2007.10.27 05:40:00 - [118] Hey, I have a "Really Stupid Question" (tm): My alt is running on a box with a Radeon 9600 Pro 256MB DDR video card. It already chugs along at about 11-17fps, what can I expect to get from Trinity?
Cairo Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.27 14:27:00 - [119] Excluding the potential for new bugs being introduced with new code, my understanding is that you can expect the same visuals as thus far, with new missions, new ship CLASSES (not models), etc, as well as POSSIBLY slightly better performance (even if you're still using a DX8 engine no doubt small improvements have been made here and there). In short, for anyone without SM3 hardware Trinity II will be just another free update that'll bring new features and new stuff into the world of EVE.
Tressin Khiyne The Tal'Shiar	Posted - 2007.11.05 19:08:00 - [120] Originally by: Igor Epocci Hey, I have a "Really Stupid Question" (tm): My alt is running on a box with a Radeon 9600 Pro 256MB DDR video card. It already chugs along at about 11-17fps, what can I expect to get from Trinity? You're doing something wrong, I ran Eve on the same card for a year with no issues. You need to look at optimizing your settings for performance some, and figuring out what else is slowing that computer down. I bet you have two firewalls and three antivirus programs on that computer huh? Anyways, trinity's graphics update is optional. You don't have to upgrade the graphics to get the new content. -- There are 10 kinds of people in this world; Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
Crass Spektakel Amarr Coreward Technologies	Posted - 2007.11.07 15:43:00 - [121] Will Trinity require Vista? Or will it run also with XP and Linux? I ask because whenever I have to use Vista I hate it more and more and more. I think I'll sooner quit Eve than using Vista. Wait. I'll sooner quit computing than using Vista (unless it gets worked over a very big time). Ok. Crass Spektakel life is short and in most cases it ends with death but my tombstone will carry the hiscore
Cyan Nuevo Dudes In Crazy Killing Ships	Posted - 2007.11.07 17:25:00 - [122] Originally by: Crass Spektakel Will Trinity require Vista? Or will it run also with XP and Linux? I ask because whenever I have to use Vista I hate it more and more and more. I think I'll sooner quit Eve than using Vista. Wait. I'll sooner quit computing than using Vista (unless it gets worked over a very big time). Ok. It will not require Vista, but I don't understand why you don't like it. --- Proud Amarr pilot.
Adam C 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.11.09 17:46:00 - [123] maybe a silly question but; will the eve client be switch able between classic and premium? either by client option or copying installation?
Max Torps Gallente eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.10 00:51:00 - [124] Delivering Trinity - the FanFest audio presentation: Download here CyberSpace UK Radio
gordon861 Minmatar Head Insurance Services	Posted - 2007.11.20 06:19:00 - [125] Will I be able to run my main using the enhanced graphics and my alt using the basic graphics on the same machine at the same time in order to save on power for the main client. Originally by: CCP Arkanon I frown on employees being power players to the extent that their gameplay results in any sort of domination over others. I donÆt believe CCP employees should run the EVE universe.
Elain Reverse Caldari Shokei	Posted - 2007.11.20 13:55:00 - [126] Originally by: Zoltar Torzoid Edited by: Zoltar Torzoid on 18/10/2007 01:41:13 This REALLY needs to be answered. For those that don't have cards that support SM3, have there been enhancements to the "old" graphics engine to make more use of the vid card and be less of a strain on the CPU? Don't get me wrong, the new "content" (ships and whatnot) is awesome. But I've been looking for a smoother, more streamlined client since you guys announced the plan for a new engine +/- 2 years ago. I agree with a previous poster that this blog is extremely uninformative. The short version of the entire Blog could be this, "This is how we're releasing the patch. yadda yadda yadda. OH! BTW! 48% of you can't use the new graphics engine we've been talking up for the past 2 years. Good luck!" This bothers me greatly. I hope so very much that the lack of information in this blog includes all the tweaks to the "old" client that 48% of us are still gonna be forced to use. Please tell me I haven't been waiting all this time for nothing. (once again. not talking about the new content.) -Zoltar Oh well, thats 48% generaly, but how many of those 48% people with GFX not supporting SM3 (SM3 support started 3years ago) are actualy playing MMOs or newest games ? All clients use new engine, just only SM3 compliant gfx can use high resolution models and textures. I am sure that premium version could be made work on SM2, but why if it make huge performance penalty as SM2 can deal with 6 time less shader instructions per cycle compared to SM3. I believe those unlucky people not having SM3 GFX will prefer playable performance instead of highest details and textures.
Elain Reverse Caldari Shokei	Posted - 2007.11.20 14:01:00 - [127] Originally by: Crass Spektakel Will Trinity require Vista? Or will it run also with XP and Linux? I ask because whenever I have to use Vista I hate it more and more and more. I think I'll sooner quit Eve than using Vista. Wait. I'll sooner quit computing than using Vista (unless it gets worked over a very big time). Ok. Vista is only required for DX10 and its SM4+ (opengl with SM4 do not require vista tho only MS crapy DX bind to OS to force sales)
Maya Rin	Posted - 2007.11.25 02:51:00 - [128] I can't seem to find anywhere else to post this. There doesn't seem to be a relevant topic for it. I was wondering what we should see when we try to download the new trinity engine for the singularity server. I know it says it will run in the background quietly, but it'd be nice if we had some idea of how it's getting along. when I press the link to start downloading the new engine I get no kind of conformation that it's started. Is there a separate process that will run, or will it be part of the ExeFile.exe? Basically HOW DO WE KNOW IF IT'S WORKING!?!?!
inza onoa Gallente GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.26 14:14:00 - [129] It works allright: It doesn't download it. Have you read or seen any big advertisement/notices/posts about the new graphics content being available? No? Why do you think that YOU personally CAN download and see it? Just wait like everybody else till its available ;-)
Elmorth	Posted - 2007.11.28 03:03:00 - [130] One small question: When will Trinity be available? Will it be an automatic upgrade/patch? Thanks
Nice Devil Amarr	Posted - 2007.11.28 16:02:00 - [131] Originally by: Maya Rin I can't seem to find anywhere else to post this. There doesn't seem to be a relevant topic for it. I was wondering what we should see when we try to download the new trinity engine for the singularity server. I know it says it will run in the background quietly, but it'd be nice if we had some idea of how it's getting along. when I press the link to start downloading the new engine I get no kind of conformation that it's started. Is there a separate process that will run, or will it be part of the ExeFile.exe? Basically HOW DO WE KNOW IF IT'S WORKING!?!?! the engine on Singularity is the new Trinity Engine, but only this one that is made for the guys that can't run EVE on the new Trinity Engine with Directx 9.0 and above, because of their hardware! so the link in login screen is only there, where u can find it until the real trinity engine with the content update for dx 9 and above will be released. it is only a "placeholder" :) be patient... i think it will be biggest christmas present for all EVEguys
Campusanis	Posted - 2007.11.28 19:41:00 - [132] This in on the edge of being ridiculous. My ATI X700 was released barely two years ago, and unfortunately, it's stuck in a laptop I bought a few months ago! My system can perfectly handle high poly counts, high-res textures and other shiny graphics; I know that because I've played games that look amazing, and I'm sure EVE's new graphics content would also be great without the 200+ shader instructions. I'm not familiar with shading because I'm not a Direct3D programmer (neither 3D in general), but couldn't you just scale down these "instructions" to the "basic" and most important ones (I know I'm vague) for people with SM2 cards and still provide the new models & textures? Someone mentioned a "button to turn them [the shaders] off"... Everything that can't be added from there, is a limit set by your system, i.e. the missing shader capabilites of your video card. But excluding many players like that means setting an artificial border which doesn't exist in this radical way. I guess the current (Classic) version of the engine only uses a fraction of the shader capabilities supplied by Shader Model 2, so why should we stick to this when we can have an improvement within SM2? I'be been looking forward to the graphics update. Huge disappointment for me...
Darknesss D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.29 01:41:00 - [133] I had heard there was a 3x increase to the size of Motherships, is this true or false? because atm they are simply too small. The test server apparently shows them the same size as on Tranquility. Dark signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link to the image URL) - Jacques([email protected])
xJord89x	Posted - 2007.11.29 02:50:00 - [134] I have a question, and I cant seem to find if it has already been addressed. I'm assuming the graphic update for Trinity will be provided for the Mac and Linux clients as well, correct?
putukas Amarr Enterprise Estonia	Posted - 2007.12.06 17:18:00 - [135] ok i have a realy wierd problem. I have NVIDIA GeForce 7950GT 512MB, i have new drivers and windows is updated. SM3checker says "Your Graphics card: NVIDIA GeForce 7950GT Does not support Shader Model 3.0" I dont understand what's the problem. I think i have somekind of software bug somewhere but i dont know even where to look. Any suggestions?

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