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Homo Ergaster
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Posted - 2004.02.26 14:28:00 -
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when someone is lying, as you clearly are, do you actually know that you're lying? or do you really believe it? |
Iluyen
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Posted - 2004.02.26 14:30:00 -
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no you and your alliance claimed all them things. and we asked for proof and you never give any.
I am not my alliance. Why don't you show me some proof of me claiming having "solid proof" about anything. I know you use log on traps, log off exploits, cancel warp exploits and loads of lame tactics. And if several peoples game crashes in an identical fashion that I have never seen or heard of anywhere else before or after fighting evol just before castor (seems that trick doesn't work anymore), then I can connect the dots.
Knowing something and "having proof" is not the same thing btw.
But you don't have to worry if you really don't do anything I claim. People can make up their own minds and will know I'm just making up stuff and that your really honorable courageous freedom fighters .
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Homo Ergaster
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Posted - 2004.02.26 14:39:00 -
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iluyen. as i write this, ppl all over the world are laughing at your obsession with evol and your cries of evol exploiting.
why don't you just grow some manhood and admit that you're sore because you were dismantled.
crying on the forums for all eternity just makes you look like a baby, even if the lies you spew were true(thank god they are just the make believe excuses of a weak player). |
Iluyen
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Posted - 2004.02.26 14:53:00 -
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Maiwenn LeBesc0
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Posted - 2004.02.26 14:57:00 -
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Edited by: Maiwenn LeBesc0 on 26/02/2004 14:58:37
I had a pic about here somewhere for this kinda thing..
ah yeap.. here tis. Did you do your school project on Evol too Iluyen? Made our corp symbol out of putty dough in Art class? A scale model of Shrike's apoc in legos maybe?
Im thinkin about making a special Iluyen animation to return the favor for all the devotion over the years. Its quite flattering to have someone so obsessively stalking you - I dunno what Jodie Foster was complaining about.
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Stavros
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Posted - 2004.02.26 15:07:00 -
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I like the evol guys sigs but I think sutty needs one that says 'TOWNIE' :D
maiwins (sorry for ****e spelling) is best, something about the avatar just makes me want to beat myself with a trout...
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"Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You" |
Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.02.26 15:12:00 -
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Okay I'd like to say here how I really disapprove of people spamming threads with off-topic ranting. I have noticed that in recent weeks practically every PA thread eventually gets locked for flaming because an awful lot of people arrive and start getting abusive and nasty, or simply trying to drag up old feuds and various apparently unsubstaniated accusations and assorted nonsense.
This begins to look manipulative and pre-meditated to me.
Players have every right and ability to create their own threads and thereby set the direction and "on topic" relevence, so why o why, make a habit of hijacking other threads with material and comment designed purely to eventually turn the discussion into flame bait?
Why do I care?
Because when I post I try to bring a bit of thought and challenging debate to the table. And its therefore quite frustrating to see the points I make in these threads continually consigned to the dustbin because other people only interested in wrecking the thread direction mail bomb the discussion with b-itchy flame bait.
For Example ... the old PA whatever thread. Where I tried to address the issue of identity and ideology in Alliances being every bit as important as territorial claims and holds. I was enjoying the debate. But lo and behold it turned into a flame pit and had therefore to be locked.
I certainly don't blame the mods in anyway whatsoever, they are doing a fine job with these kind of threads. But I do think players should have the courage and fortitude to address alternative and contradicting opinions with civilised standards of debate and avoid the use of simple abuse and nonsense aimed purely and obviously at ending discussion for everyone.
This current thread is another example,
SirMolle talks about an incident that has changed the understanding and approach to the war. PA come back with an accusation that EVO are "backstabbers" and "traitors". I come back with my understanding that it is PA that are the backstabbers for political reasons. All fine and on topic.
Then we have these chaps with the exploits, and cheating and whatever whatever blah blah blah stuff, that we have all seen in so many threads before. Its not relevent to the central issue being discussed here, and eventually it will get this thread locked like the last one. Perhaps that is what some people want? But frankly I don't think the principles in these IC debates should have the ability to determine when and how the debate ends.
/soapbox
Thanks for listening.
Love and peace
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.02.26 15:57:00 -
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Back on subject:
Does anyone reckon the recent mass exodus of decent corps from the PA was related to this?
Or is it just a big, BIG coincidence?
I think Cult will be next, then maybe rona-kia.
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sutty
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Posted - 2004.02.26 15:59:00 -
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no idea, but the blades who preformed the log on trap, 3 of them died this morning.
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Darwin
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Posted - 2004.02.26 16:16:00 -
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there are no rules in war
True... But that is still lame. No Honer
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.02.26 16:16:00 -
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I can't see Rona/KIA, Oberon, or CDI ever leaving the PA drunkenmaster, they are the architects of the present form of the Venal Alliance. When everything else is stripped away and scattered to the dust you will see those three corporations clinging onto power in the north. Halseth has too much ambition and drive for empire to admit defeat and I suspect we will see him do a Ragnar in a safespot apocalypse-based speech to the troops bidding them "do their best and die with honour" while he goes for a holiday and hopes for the best.
If you take a look at the PA member list you will see that RONA occupy 3 of 19 voting positions with their various identies, and have pretty much sewed up a large proportion of the active political direction in their own right.
So, if playing the "spot the next corps to leave" game, I'd say you need to look at those corps that are not core actors in the PA politbureau, and are not key afk ark miners by preference.
There are about half a dozen corps in the PA list that already effectively out ... (either undeclared or down to a handful of actives) but they aren't that relevent to the overall battle.
The war won't end until (and if) Oberon/Rona/CDI can be crushed.
Those 3 corps provide the massive majority of economic power and numbers. And almost the entirety of political will and direction.
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Dirge
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Posted - 2004.02.26 18:17:00 -
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To whom it may concern, I'd like to refer you to this thread :
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=62303
Have a Nice Day 
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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2004.02.26 18:28:00 -
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I can't see Rona/KIA, Oberon, or CDI ever leaving the PA drunkenmaster, they are the architects of the present form of the Venal Alliance. When everything else is stripped away and scattered to the dust you will see those three corporations clinging onto power in the north. Halseth has too much ambition and drive for empire to admit defeat and I suspect we will see him do a Ragnar in a safespot apocalypse-based speech to the troops bidding them "do their best and die with honour" while he goes for a holiday and hopes for the best.
If you take a look at the PA member list you will see that RONA occupy 3 of 19 voting positions with their various identies, and have pretty much sewed up a large proportion of the active political direction in their own right.
So, if playing the "spot the next corps to leave" game, I'd say you need to look at those corps that are not core actors in the PA politbureau, and are not key afk ark miners by preference.
There are about half a dozen corps in the PA list that already effectively out ... (either undeclared or down to a handful of actives) but they aren't that relevent to the overall battle.
The war won't end until (and if) Oberon/Rona/CDI can be crushed.
Those 3 corps provide the massive majority of economic power and numbers. And almost the entirety of political will and direction.
Looks like Jade found her new TTi. Expect months of 3 page essays on the subject of how the "evil villans of the PA persecuted her righteous self into submission".
She once told me that she would lie cheat and steal to turn me into her next Ragnar.
I dont have any eloquent words of persuasion, but do your self a favor and DO NOT believe this liar. 80% of the above post are blatant lies and the other 20% is stretching/twisting of the truth to fit her "plight".
Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS |
CubePusher
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Posted - 2004.02.26 18:35:00 -
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To whom it may concern, I'd like to refer you to this thread :
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=62303
Have a Nice Day
lmao, they be screwed.
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M Hoshi
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Posted - 2004.02.26 18:38:00 -
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Looks like Jade found her new TTi. Expect months of 3 page essays on the subject of how the "evil villans of the PA persecuted her righteous self into submission".
She once told me that she would lie cheat and steal to turn me into her next Ragnar.
I dont have any eloquent words of persuasion, but do your self a favor and DO NOT believe this liar. 80% of the above post are blatant lies and the other 20% is stretching/twisting of the truth to fit her "plight".
Sadly Sir, I would think that as it stands, the reputation of PA, and thus directly yours as spokesperson/founder is at no level to be able to expect people to believe anything you say/demand.
Respect is something you have to earn, not aqquire through political manipulation and PR stunts - And yes i respect Jade for staying true to themselves, yes she spins things, but the truth is always buried within available to those who seek it.
Your alliance is failing.
Your own members admit this to us.
Corporations are leaving.
Others are resorting to tactics that have just been classified as an exploit by CCP.
We are told the majority of our kills are against your non-pvp personel.
How much longer will you let this continue? Are they all your sacrificial lambs?
Does anyone else think theirs something wrong with the Venal region, I mean - perhaps the ore is tainted?
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"We can smell the sea"
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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2004.02.26 19:14:00 -
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Edited by: Halseth Durn on 26/02/2004 19:19:22
Who am I to stand up against the PR blitz of the Evol/Jade alliance?
Puting a target on one person is a great way to drive a wedge into any union. Good job on that one. I wish someone had told me when I became sole leader and driving force of the PA. Hell, a gold watch or something would have been nice. Im just the guy who got elected to tell JF to hit the road. But Jade says its true so it must be.
Also, If we are all going to say Halseth = PA, then I am changing the name to the "Hals alliance".
Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS |
Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.02.26 20:04:00 -
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[Halseth bleated]
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Looks like Jade found her new TTi. Expect months of 3 page essays on the subject of how the "evil villans of the PA persecuted her righteous self into submission". She once told me that she would lie cheat and steal to turn me into her next Ragnar. I dont have any eloquent words of persuasion, but do your self a favor and DO NOT believe this liar. 80% of the above post are blatant lies and the other 20% is stretching/twisting of the truth to fit her "plight".
IÆm afraid I need to disappoint your delusions again monsieur Halseth, you simply arenÆt charismatic enough to be the next Ragnar, and nor is Oberon likely to stand as long in adversity and universal hatred as old TTi did. Whereas Ragnar performed his most nefarious deeds in a dramatic frisson of wounded angst and deadly hubris on the bonfire of his vast arrogance and enduring vanity à you simply acted the snake from petty motive and small minded lack of vision.
I imagine you are going to provide evidence of my saying I would ôstealö to turn you into the next Ragnar, Halseth, seeing as how you claim to be whiter than white that shouldnÆt be much of a problem for you.
And of course the problem you have with credibility mÆdear is that you actually do tell lies, you break faith, you misrepresent history, you ignore past agreements, you revoke debts of honour and you act like cheat con-man.
Hence for your lips to name me ôliarö is to convince the general viewing public that my cause is just and yours, well, to coin a term from mid-air is à venal.
I also donÆt quite get this ôplightö we are supposed to have suffered Halseth? We left Venal without any material loss and have had an enjoyable couple of months recruiting like-minded idealists and some of the best pilots and personalities in the Eve Star cluster. It doesnÆt exactly feel like a ôplightö.
The only reason I became involved in this thread was because the PA people were telling lies about the ôbetrayalö they alleged Evolution had committed. It was rank hypocrisy and I really wonÆt stand for it.
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Who am I to stand up against the PR blitz of the Evol/Jade alliance?
Puting a target on one person is a great way to drive a wedge into any union. Good job on that one.
Amusing that went FE elected me the target for such a think you werenÆt quite so analytical and wised-up to the concept, non?
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I wish someone had told me when I became sole leader and driving force of the PA. Hell, a gold watch or something would have been nice. Im just the guy who got elected to tell JF to hit the road. But Jade says its true so it must be.
Well, considerably truer than what passes for verbiage from your lips sweetheart.
Love and peace
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KIAInkZ
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Posted - 2004.02.26 20:15:00 -
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Looks like Jade found her new TTi. Expect months of 3 page essays on the subject of how the "evil villans of the PA persecuted her righteous self into submission".
She once told me that she would lie cheat and steal to turn me into her next Ragnar.
I dont have any eloquent words of persuasion, but do your self a favor and DO NOT believe this liar. 80% of the above post are blatant lies and the other 20% is stretching/twisting of the truth to fit her "plight".
Sadly Sir, I would think that as it stands, the reputation of PA, and thus directly yours as spokesperson/founder is at no level to be able to expect people to believe anything you say/demand.
Respect is something you have to earn, not aqquire through political manipulation and PR stunts - And yes i respect Jade for staying true to themselves, yes she spins things, but the truth is always buried within available to those who seek it.
Your alliance is failing.
Your own members admit this to us.
Corporations are leaving.
Others are resorting to tactics that have just been classified as an exploit by CCP.
We are told the majority of our kills are against your non-pvp personel.
How much longer will you let this continue? Are they all your sacrificial lambs?
Does anyone else think theirs something wrong with the Venal region, I mean - perhaps the ore is tainted?
All I see is evolution trying to drive a wedge between allience corps and it won't work.
Celest and DSIN have left because they are in it for kicks and don't want to camp stations 24/7 it's really as simple as that.
I'd be concerning yourself more with how powerful curse are getting whilst you're up here.
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Forums/Killboard - http://www.kia-corp.co.uk |
sutty
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Posted - 2004.02.26 20:22:00 -
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and rona are in it for long term. All i see you guys doing is logged off or trapped in the station.
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M Hoshi
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Posted - 2004.02.26 20:24:00 -
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All I see is evolution trying to drive a wedge between allience corps and it won't work.
Driving a wedge? mmmm - Must be a hot phrase on the PA internal forums, needing to gather support internally are we?
It is *clearly* obvious to anyone, except perhaps your self that your alliance is crumbling around you.
Those who stay, will only suffer more and more humiliation.
I did respect you guys, but if you are persistant on this riding a rambling train of death, eventually i'll run out of sympathy.
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Celest and DSIN have left because they are in it for kicks and don't want to camp stations 24/7 it's really as simple as that.
Celest and DSIN left because they didn't enjoy the alliance anymore, and no thats not my quote - it comes from them on these very forums - wonder why that is?
To me, they've seen sense, and are getting out before any more damage is done. I commend both corporations and now respect them a great lot more.
Camping stations? Really - Do you want another lesson from evolution on military tactics? Is it any wonder you are doing so badly if you believe camping places is going to win you this war?
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I'd be concerning yourself more with how powerful curse are getting whilst you're up here.
Curse are of no concern of mine, just as the numerous other entities we have had wars against - my focus lies soley on PA.
You had the chance to settle this, your council declined - now reap the rewards.
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"We can smell the sea"
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KIAInkZ
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Posted - 2004.02.26 20:31:00 -
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You are so full of it. See you on the field....
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sutty
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Posted - 2004.02.26 20:35:00 -
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"see you on the field" - yeah I can dock and join you if you want.
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M Hoshi
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Posted - 2004.02.26 20:40:00 -
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You are so full of it. See you on the field....
Congratulations on a well thought out response - i won't go even into your immense abilities at discussion, online with your pvp perhaps?
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"We can smell the sea"
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Panzer
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Posted - 2004.02.26 21:15:00 -
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Wow presidio you make much more sense on the boards then you do spamming useless stuff in local.
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Masi
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Posted - 2004.02.26 21:39:00 -
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Right, EVOL. Just go open a can of wh000p nublar ass on them and kill them. 2 corps i fear in Eve, and only 2 EVOL + m0o. Theres only 1 simple reason why the own, not saying thou :p.
Anyway, Killer Clowns will............... Kill u or summit
End your post!
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Nootami
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Posted - 2004.02.26 22:06:00 -
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Wow presidio you make much more sense on the boards then you do spamming useless stuff in local.
Homo makes more sense on the boards than he does spamming useless stuff in local, too.
Originally by: Cortex Reaver
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-CR
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Maiwenn LeBesc0
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Posted - 2004.02.26 22:25:00 -
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All I see is evolution trying to drive a wedge between allience corps and it won't work.
Celest and DSIN have left because they are in it for kicks and don't want to camp stations 24/7 it's really as simple as that.
I'd be concerning yourself more with how powerful curse are getting whilst you're up here.
You dont get it do you? What do we care about how powerful Curse get? You're the ones who are trying to protect an entire region which will soon be the gateway into Jove space. You're the one's who are refusing cease fire agreements whilst your best PvP corps are leaving. You're the ones losing all the ships.
Worry about yourself, sir.
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Skillz
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Posted - 2004.02.27 01:06:00 -
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PERHAPS SOMEONE HEARD THAT CAP IS THE KEY TO PVP AND THEREFORE THE MORE CAPS YOU GET ON YOUR SIDE, THE MORE POWERFOOOOL j00 GET.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Artegg
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Posted - 2004.02.27 01:32:00 -
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I can't see Rona/KIA, Oberon, or CDI ever leaving the PA drunkenmaster, they are the architects of the present form of the Venal Alliance. When everything else is stripped away and scattered to the dust you will see those three corporations clinging onto power in the north. Halseth has too much ambition and drive for empire to admit defeat and I suspect we will see him do a Ragnar in a safespot apocalypse-based speech to the troops bidding them "do their best and die with honour" while he goes for a holiday and hopes for the best.
If you take a look at the PA member list you will see that RONA occupy 3 of 19 voting positions with their various identies, and have pretty much sewed up a large proportion of the active political direction in their own right.
So, if playing the "spot the next corps to leave" game, I'd say you need to look at those corps that are not core actors in the PA politbureau, and are not key afk ark miners by preference.
There are about half a dozen corps in the PA list that already effectively out ... (either undeclared or down to a handful of actives) but they aren't that relevent to the overall battle.
The war won't end until (and if) Oberon/Rona/CDI can be crushed.
Those 3 corps provide the massive majority of economic power and numbers. And almost the entirety of political will and direction.
Jade last time i looked you where not in RONA so please do not comment on the future of RONA and what we plan to do when you clearly do not have a clue
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.02.27 02:06:00 -
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Don't be so silly Artegg! Politics happens in the public eye and we are all bound to be talked about. Do grow up old chap ... backstabbers should learn to be less sensitive ;)
Love and peace
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