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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2004.02.27 02:17:00 -
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Backstabbers? Dude, you got dumped on account of your grating personality. There is a big difference.
Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS |
Capn Blood
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Posted - 2004.02.27 03:46:00 -
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Ummm Grating personality is cause for ejection???
Damn bad idea.
Sheeesh gunna be a lotta PA CEOs ejected soon then 
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"Trust no man who says to you that 'The ends justify the means' or who says that 'We will do whatever it takes...'.
These men have no honour, and are fit only to be politicians."
The book of Rab
Chapter 1, Verse 3.
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Robeyone
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Posted - 2004.02.27 04:12:00 -
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Edited by: Robeyone on 27/02/2004 05:18:43
Well sense this has gone on for so long I guess it wouldn't hurt to put in my two cents.
First on the original subject of this post
I personally believe in the sanctity of the 1 on 1 battle and the word between fighters when engaging in such an act. It is the only 1 real way the game allows to settle things on the battlefield, as the mechanics don't allow for huge naval engagements and clash of the Titans.
On RONA-KIA, RONA, and RONA Technologies
We don't believe in the actions of breaking ones word. But to say that we have control over the actions of other corporations is just absurd. One thing that kept the NVA down was a hugh amount of red tape and rules. Though we do have a closed regions and some policies in place, we don't want to control the actions of other corporations and their policies. Contrary to popular thought we as the PA discuss things weekly, and all the organizations and corporations involved in the PA are doing things on their own fee will. RONA, CDI, and Oberon do not control the PA and RONA only has 1 vote on the council.
Regarding Evolution
My hats off to you guys. Though we all have our bag of tricks, you guys have proven that patience and timing is a very stong suit for you guys. Though your methods are frustrating, they are above all intellegent. Like the final days of the FE war, when RONA-KIA instituted hit and fade tactics, your methods provide kills and minimal losses. Though economically the war makes less sense for you and the numbers are ranging in terms of kills, I can say, with a very good degree of cetainty, that you are a very good opponent. I have learned a lot from fighting your corporation, and have gained a bit of respect for Evolution. On top of that your PR machine and forum presence is very impressive as well.
On the state of the PA
The PA is alive and well, and the organization is still in place and we are still fully functional. In a time of war your manufacturing and your civilian population don't stay in a war zone, and if they do it is covert and quiet. The military is fine, and the resolve is there. The fight is frustrating, rewarding, and at times confusing given the opponent. But it is far from over. Though I wish that were not the case, and this war is ludicrous at best, Evolution and the PA remain at an impass. On top of that we are both very stubborn entities, with a very similar resolve.
All in all I do not agree with the "reasons" behind this fight. I don't agree with a lot of the statements being made by entities outside of these two organizations pretending to be "experts" on the political interworkings of these two entities and the conflict ensuing. Mainly, this will be resolved by Evolution and the PA, and I am sure bickering will continue. Your comments, though at times appreciated, will have no bearing on the state of the conflict and mean little if anything when it comes to the big picture.
On Jade C.
Jade I know you felt hurt and burned by the fall of the NVA. I don't mind your views on the subject matter placed in here. I do humbly request that before making any statements about the political views of the PA or and it's Corporations, voting structures, or other policies that you check your reference and prove your sources. You have incorrect statements in many of the posts you have in here. And part of a good debate is having correct information and not a multitude of "fluffware". I would be happy to answer any questions you may have on the PA. I have before and would oblige anytime here after.
http://www.ronacorp.com |
Sequin
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Posted - 2004.02.27 04:39:00 -
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When the four empires are warring with each other and the jove do a blitz into the heart systems, well still be fighting out little war in little venal:)
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Robeyone
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Posted - 2004.02.27 04:57:00 -
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When the four empires are warring with each other and the jove do a blitz into the heart systems, well still be fighting out little war in little venal:)
More then likely yes  And we still won't budge neither Evolution or the PA 
http://www.ronacorp.com |
HavokTBP
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Posted - 2004.02.27 05:59:00 -
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Skipped half of this but back to my buddie homo here.
You forget at the time there were what 7 or 8 evol in that system at the time an I challenged you when only me an evol were in system.
A system is a system like it or not. You already had me outnumbered so your excuse to not fight me there isn't going to work.
When you did come out, I considered it a fair 1v1 because you actually came out.
How ironic that when you hit armor way before me another evol jumped in. Convienent timing or not that "1v1" you broke. But I don't care anymore.
Unlike some people...... I don't use dirty tactics or call in 80 ships to come to my aid. An don't tell me they're smart tactics either, because everyone can do it. Be a little more creative.
I like that GM's are now saying the log in trick is considered an exploit...... Although they're a couple months late on that one.
But anyways Evol shouldn't be one to complain about lossing to dirty tactics when they do it all the time.
Member of the Curse Alliance before the Corruption
Leader of The Black Plague.
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Javi
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Posted - 2004.02.27 06:09:00 -
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if it was an agreed 1v1 duel between yourself and Homo, then i'm pretty sure he'd be flaming his head off if any of us interrupted.
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CubePusher
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Posted - 2004.02.27 06:32:00 -
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I don't use dirty tactics
Strange i seem to recall bumping into you in Curse, you in a Moa me in a Caracal, you lock and fire, i fire a couple of torps your way and you did what? yep you logged off, once or twice maybe innocent, but 3 times?
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KIAInkZ
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Posted - 2004.02.27 09:25:00 -
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90% of the flaming is in the evol vs pa threads, is actually between evol and curse :P
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.02.27 15:19:00 -
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On Jade C.
Jade I know you felt hurt and burned by the fall of the NVA. I don't mind your views on the subject matter placed in here. I do humbly request that before making any statements about the political views of the PA or and it's Corporations, voting structures, or other policies that you check your reference and prove your sources. You have incorrect statements in many of the posts you have in here. And part of a good debate is having correct information and not a multitude of "fluffware". I would be happy to answer any questions you may have on the PA. I have before and would oblige anytime here after.
I think you are mistaken to stress this personal "burned" and "hurt" stuff Robeyone. Truth be told I was more annoyed at myself for having misjudged the personalities of the people involved. As I have said to you before, I count myself a usually good judge of personal integrity and in the case of the NVA coup leaders I slipped up quite badly. Hence my irritation is at my own failings in seeing and addressing the quality of snakedom that had crept into the alliance. I believe one must always look to oneself to blame first. Searching around for scapegoats is a fools game. In this case it was simply that I didn't do enough to check the references of the alliance partners and that I failed to spot the treachery coming. Still that game is finished, the new game is in the water ;)
Re checking the references and asking for PA sources etc. The hard truth is I simply don't trust PA in any way shape or form as an entity. I think your alliance is full from top to bottom with dishonourable people who wouldn't know the truth if it was mailed to them first class in a bright yellow envelope marked "THE TRUTH" ... *grins*
I think you are an alliance in denial, and thats a state of mind that follows naturally from attempting to sweep the past underneath the carpet and ignore history. Let me remind you again of Halseth's words on the inauguration of this "Pheonix" alliance.
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Greetings from the newly formed Phoenix Alliance (TPA). This is a declaration of our organization birth and intentions. Formed from what once were the core corporations of the NVA,
And who had of course all signed the many documents and charters of the NVA and chose to betray the sworn faith and pledge.
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let it be known without a doubt that the new venal alliance is dead, gone and buried. From this point on, the past remains in the past. References to ancient civil wars, past victories/defeats, betrayals, heroics, and feuds are now abolished to material we consider irrelevant.
Ancient wars? - that finished 3 months ago and still had alliances extent? Trade agreements unresolved? Abolished to material "we consider irrelevent" ...
Well Robeyone let me ask you a question then. Why should I trust the PA to tell me the truth on *anything* given that you have made a virtue of the airbrushing out of historical foundation and past debts of honour?
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The Phoenix Alliance will now start with a clean slate and a determined focus on what is best for the corps of TPA.
Clean slate? I think not. Focus on whats best for yourself? Well most certainly. But the problem is it takes two sides to agree the ending of a debt. To make a unilateral declaration of such just makes you a thief.
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Now I would like to state some points about Eve's newest alliance: TPA sets all foreign alliance standings to "neutral". TPA consists of the regions: Venal, Branch, and Tenal. These regions are closed to all non VE personnel and corps
By which you underscore the treachery of actuality and disavowal of past debts and friendships with the descent into a bare-faced land grab. Its really not a very flattering declaration Robeyone. And as a basis for an alliance it does nothing to suggest that you will do anything other than lie and cheat and steal to defend your personal interest and personal power.
I understand these are hard words, but I think you have been deluding yourself on the nature of the PA and the allies you have found there.
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2004.02.27 16:02:00 -
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I admit I don't know what is happening in Venal right now. That being said I have spent a lot of time fighting with Kia, Rona, 20th and other Venal corps and I have never seen them do anything that would be considered lacking honor in any way.
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ReForMatt
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Posted - 2004.02.27 16:08:00 -
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I admit I don't know what is happening in Venal right now. That being said I have spent a lot of time fighting with Kia, Rona, 20th and other Venal corps and I have never seen them do anything that would be considered lacking honor in any way.
I do miss the Maud Dib
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Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2004.02.27 16:17:00 -
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The word and term "honour" is lost on most people. Honour is not about a fair fight. Honour is about setting down principles and following them, respecting friends and family.
For example, M0o was never, in any way, dishonorable. They were very direct about how they thought, operated and fought, and did not pretend to uphold any values they didn't go after.
And unless Presidio was betraying his own values and principles by fouling a duel, a form of competition that has enjoyed a pseudo-ritual status throughout civilized history, what he did was not dishonourable. Then he's just a despicable little man that is not only prepared to do anything to win, but is also horribly misguided.
To me, honour is integrity. And integrity is holding to one's own values. The rules and codes of conduct set by the society can go to hell.
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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2004.02.27 16:44:00 -
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I really hate to burst your bubble and sidetrack your anti-Halseth campaign but the declaration you just spent hours trying to pick apart was not, I repreat NOT written by me. I only delivered it.
Back to the drawing board M'dear.
Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS |
Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.02.27 16:53:00 -
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It didn't really take "hours" Halseth. Thats quite an exaggeration. And actually your public relations clone delivered it.
Love and peace
JF Public Forum |
Jakal
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Posted - 2004.02.27 18:33:00 -
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Got Goon.? mmmm.... Goon
-Adapt and Overcome.
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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2004.02.27 18:42:00 -
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It didn't really take "hours" Halseth. Thats quite an exaggeration. And actually your public relations clone delivered it.
Change the subject much? :D
Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS |
Anna Heart
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Posted - 2004.02.27 20:35:00 -
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Jade can you do me a favor and die? Or maybe shut up? Honestly I don't even care what happened long as it doesn't involve me finding you in every thread worth reading to turn the subject back into a How the PA are such Asshats. Guess what! We all work together, we fight out war, we do what we say we'll do, and we're closed boarders. Guess waht that speaks great lengths over the NVA.
Now do us all a favor and find some means to silence yourself. Least mind taking yourself to something that at least romotely involves you.
InfiniCorp, Lunatic at Arms
When you think of picking a fight remember this, I've got a big gun, and the insanity to use it. |
Rual Storge
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Posted - 2004.02.27 20:45:00 -
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War is War! In the American revolution George Washington led an attack on the night of a holiday when the Brits were liquired up. You know what? We won that war, why? Cause it's war. You don't like people nailing you at every turn with this and that, guess what? Don't start a war. You want civil 1 v 1 fights you better do it when you're not at war, when it's just to two of you, or on Chaos (though you have everything you ever wanted on chaos)
In a war situation as you were present in I would gladly take part in an ambush on you. It's not like you didn't log kill people which is just as foul. Someone plays dirty, sometimes you gotta get dirty. As for 1 v 1 I've done em on numberous occasions. Several times during the war between Infinicorp and Space Invaders I found myself alone with an SPVD pilot (now that I think of it 99% of the time it was in EC-P8R)
I can even recall a convo basicly going like this.
Wanna Dance?
Sure! Planet X - moon 2
And we fought. This happened I think twice First time I came out on top second time they did. Nother time I came in with two others ther was no 1 v 1. It was a war situation then. If you are so concerned about honor you should move to Japan. Cause preatty much everywhere else in the world people understand War is War. It's not "honorable" to fly over an enemy city and blow it away, but it works. You know what is done then... The city gets blown away. Don't like it, don't get yourself into a war.
Rual Storge, Battlestars, CEO |
Propehcy
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Posted - 2004.02.27 21:05:00 -
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The more posts I see that denounce Jades political double talk the more I smile. Really, Jade must be a politiion in real life, where else would you learn to put so much garbage into a post but have it still *look* intellegant... And yet some people just don't get the message, sad really.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.02.27 21:39:00 -
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"War is War! In the American revolution George Washington led an attack on the night of a holiday when the Brits were liquired up."
... Did he make specific agreement with them beforehand, that there would be no fight so they're free to get drunk without any risk?
Otherwise i don't see the relevance -- you are comparing case of breaking personal word, and taking advantage of enemy's recklessness...
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.02.27 21:42:00 -
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Demanding desperately that ones debating opponent should just "shut up" doesn't do a great deal to persuade anyone of the merits of one's own position. Rather it declares weakness and lack of confidence in one's stated faith and principles.
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Shiwan Khan
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Posted - 2004.02.27 22:50:00 -
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CCP, you could fix some of these underhanded cheap 1v1 tactics. All you have to do is make it so you cannot join a new gang while engaged in combat...simple as that.
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Faramir
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Posted - 2004.02.28 00:37:00 -
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Why not a "duel" option?
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HavokTBP
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Posted - 2004.02.28 06:12:00 -
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I don't use dirty tactics
Strange i seem to recall bumping into you in Curse, you in a Moa me in a Caracal, you lock and fire, i fire a couple of torps your way and you did what? yep you logged off, once or twice maybe innocent, but 3 times?
You sure I didn't just warp out? For one why would I log with torps coming at me, I'd be dead in a moa within 2mins. I'm pretty sure I warped away once I knew what missiles hit me.
But it don't matter, I have the screenshots framed on my wall of homo trying to find excuses about why bansh jumped in on the same station as me an homo at that very point in time when homo was in armor an approaching my ship off about 5km's from me where my guns weren't doing anymore dmg to him an bansh started hitting me when he came in.
I don't need to say anymore then that.
But yeah.... I don't use dirty tactics :)
Member of the Curse Alliance before the Corruption
Leader of The Black Plague.
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Iluyen
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Posted - 2004.02.28 06:55:00 -
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"War is War! In the American revolution George Washington led an attack on the night of a holiday when the Brits were liquired up."
I thought the brits were allways liquired up when going into combat?
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Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2004.02.28 12:38:00 -
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Georgie didn't call out their officers for a duel and have his little farmers waiting in ambush to jump 'em...
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Jebidus Skari
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Posted - 2004.02.28 15:02:00 -
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"War is War! In the American revolution George Washington led an attack on the night of a holiday when the Brits were liquired up."
I thought the brits were allways liquired up when going into combat?
Nobody's stupid enough to fling themselves into combat otherwise are they? 
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CubePusher
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Posted - 2004.02.28 20:38:00 -
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I don't use dirty tactics
Strange i seem to recall bumping into you in Curse, you in a Moa me in a Caracal, you lock and fire, i fire a couple of torps your way and you did what? yep you logged off, once or twice maybe innocent, but 3 times?
You sure I didn't just warp out? For one why would I log with torps coming at me, I'd be dead in a moa within 2mins. I'm pretty sure I warped away once I knew what missiles hit me.
But it don't matter, I have the screenshots framed on my wall of homo trying to find excuses about why bansh jumped in on the same station as me an homo at that very point in time when homo was in armor an approaching my ship off about 5km's from me where my guns weren't doing anymore dmg to him an bansh started hitting me when he came in.
I don't need to say anymore then that.
But yeah.... I don't use dirty tactics :)
I brought this up in a previous post and the only comment you made on that thread was "Sorry cold, had to do it :)".
None of my torps hit you, If you warped out im fairly sure i would have noticed you flying away, and if you did warp away your pic would have stayed in local for at least a little while so in short, yes you did log off, the reason? one can only assume :
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I'd be dead in a moa within 2mins
And on the Homo 1vs1 thing, i dont know (or care for that matter) what happened but im sure he'd be more than willing to go again.
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