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SirMolle	Posted - 2004.02.25 19:52:00 - [1] If you may recall, our dear Presidio was bragging about killing a Tempest, namely Jakal. Today, as we always do, when someone dies, we get a description of how, and then taunt them about it for a week or two. So, heres how Presidio killed Jakal. Jakal is bored. He is in BKG system, and wants to fight. Presidio agrees to a 1v1. Jakal & Presidio gangs up, and warp to a spot and go at it. Ill use Jakals own words; Quote: Last night I logged on after a day of playing eve and doing nothing at all. I was bored and wanted to fight. I ASKED some one if they wanted to fight. I invited presido into a gang, he warped to me, i locked him, webbed him and started shooting and he locked me, webbed and warpscambled me and shot, i launched drones. i notice he isnt in my gang anymore. I start MWD way for 30 secs, i get to 8km and his scorp is at 30% of his armor/ hull bar, when 4 more PA warp in. they target jam me and then have my shields down. i am very very warp sctammbled and my armor is going down fast. so i self-destruct, and warp out in my pod. So, heres the GRAND kill Presidio was bragging about in the now locked thread, feel proud mate. I'll say this just once, and i mean it. You will never, ever, in any corp, wherever you go, whatever you do, be taken off our target list. That is the most lamest stunt i ever heard. Frankly my dear, got to ****. Reap what you sow.
Deathwing	Posted - 2004.02.25 19:54:00 - [2] anytime anywhere presidio you an me <Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS
Skillz	Posted - 2004.02.25 20:01:00 - [3] Did you know that it's a legitimate tactic if certain 'Bounty Hunter corporations' would do that. Keep on flaming, lamers.
Nex	Posted - 2004.02.25 20:07:00 - [4] Edited by: Nex on 25/02/2004 20:08:11 a legitimate tactic to call out for 1on1 and then call in corp members ? i call this trying to get a kill in a dirty way because you arent able to get it in any other way, its poor and i dont want to say more because i usualy dont like smacktalk...but this... well have phun with the feeling presidio - we will meet sometimes I promise
Havocide	Posted - 2004.02.25 20:09:00 - [5] there are no rules in war
Flatliner	Posted - 2004.02.25 20:13:00 - [6] Even the C.A did not pull any ghay tricks like this, ever!. I've seen more honour in a pirate corp than these muppets. The PA should never be taken off our KOS list. Flatliner.
SirMolle	Posted - 2004.02.25 20:13:00 - [7] Quote: Name: Presidio Security Status: 0.9 Corporation: Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Ship Type: Scorpion Name: Stigit Security Status: 0.2 Corporation: Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Ship Type: Scorpion Name: Hasan Security Status: 0.4 Corporation: InfiniCorp Ship Type: Raven Name: CHASTITY TITE (laid the final blow) Security Status: 0.0 Corporation: InfiniCorp Ship Type: Moa Weapon Type: Inferno Torpedo I Name: Trader Joe Security Status: 0.0 Corporation: InfiniCorp Ship Type: Vigil I'd be ashamed to fly beside any of those pilots ever.
Nex	Posted - 2004.02.25 20:14:00 - [8] Quote: there are no rules in war well i totally agree but 1on1 isnt war, its a duel..a tournament..usualy..
Omniwar	Posted - 2004.02.25 20:34:00 - [9] Edited by: Omniwar on 25/02/2004 20:35:18 Quote: there are no rules in war Aggred duel isnt war its a fight with rules, rules wich include only 2 pilots and sometimes aggred to stop before explotion of ship or pod. This stunt was very lame to say the least, but this shows how the self declared good guys usually feel the need of lame stupid tricks to succed. *Spawn of the Devil*
Dust Puppy	Posted - 2004.02.25 20:37:00 - [10] So you invited a pilot you were at war with (and as you would say kicking their arse) in a friendly duel and expect him to show up alone Did you know if you put a little hat on a snowball it can last a long time in hell __________ Capacitor research
Zenst	Posted - 2004.02.25 20:37:00 - [11] It is indeed a shame you cant trust an honest 1v1, especialy during war. Some corps and people will give you an honest 1v1 and I have had a few with pirates and they have been fair. Even when had fellow friends in the system I stayed in gang and had a fair fight. But thats me. I wouldn't blame the whole PA for the actions of a few desperate men after a kill during a war. Though being in a sytem 3 jumps from anybody else is alot safer. But I bet you wouldn;t even get the fight then. The only people I know in the PA are people in the Wolf Brigade and I'm sure they would honour a 1v1. Other tricks to look out for in 1v1's are: a) logged of peeps b) gang warping to his buddies at a planet/moon c) he is in a pod and sitting in nasty NPC belt or gangwarps you to one Bottom line its a shame but it was war, though IMHO was very low to twist the truth about the kill, let alone brag about it given the facts. For me that is the sadest part about this whole event. Well best of luck in your fights and lots of fun to both sides.
Deathwing	Posted - 2004.02.25 20:40:00 - [12] Deathwing > a stigit is here Deathwing > hey stigit, how was the 5v1 yesterday with jakal? when he was in a 1v1 with presidio Stigit > little lop sided but I did congradulate him because he was winning before I should up Deathwing > so why would you interfere in a 1v1? Stigit > Because He had set presideo in a trap himself it wasnt a fair 1v1 Deathwing > how is 1v1 not fair? Deathwing > there was only jakal and presidio Deathwing > what wasnt fair? bUBbLeS dONkeY > cAKe vs cAKe = fair Deathwing > tell me pls Stigit > Jakal and presideo and already fought a little Jakal new that presideo only had long range so he set up a short range trap Deathwing > um Deathwing > presidio only carries one kind of ammo? Stigit > he challenged him knowing that he had to warp wiithin 15k of him Deathwing > you realise how lame your argument is here Stigit > I dont know Deathwing > let me break it down for you Deathwing > now just sit here and listen a second Stigit > It is :) Stigit > dont have to Deathwing > Jakal challenged Presidio Deathwing > it is irrelivent if jakal knew he had a long range setup loaded atm, because Presidio still accepted the challenge Deathwing > Presidio knowingly went into the challenge Deathwing > and got tooled over Stigit > im just making it so I can sleep at night it doesnt haev to be logical Deathwing > and called for help like a *** Deathwing > then goes on the forums, bragging like he is king ** of the worls Deathwing > world* Stigit > he didnt call for help it was all a setup Deathwing > but wait Deathwing > you said that Jakal was the one who set the trap Stigit > i know we played a mean trick Deathwing > no you didnt Stigit > I was playin bud Deathwing > you played the role of a**get Deathwing > and you know it Stigit > Im not calling anyone names Deathwing > sorry to bust your nuts, but you know it was bull, and you still went allong with it <Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS**
Halseth Durn	Posted - 2004.02.25 20:51:00 - [13] Edited by: Halseth Durn on 25/02/2004 20:53:33 Hmmmm.. Oberon incorporated fully believes in the sanctity of the 1v1 challenge. I see it as the one true test of someones word in game. However, I also believe in the old saying "all is fair in love and war". Did anyone save the chat of the 1v1 challenge/acceptance? I would like to see that. Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS
dalman	Posted - 2004.02.25 20:54:00 - [14] Edited by: dalman on 25/02/2004 21:06:15 Quote: there are no rules in war You can lose a ship, get another, and then come back. You can lose a war and recover to get back. But when you lose your honour and respect like this, you'll NEVER get it back. edit On a sidenote, I've only fought a fight like that once (long time ago). Against Radogor from RUS. We were both in scorpions. He had a friend in a Tempest in the system. I had 2 friends in cruisers(blackbird) in the system. All went just fine, and we couldn't kill each other since I was fitted for jamming and he was fitted as a tank. No ships lossed at all, but both won alot of respect. M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
Jhered Stern	Posted - 2004.02.25 20:55:00 - [15] Hmm... When I was trapped behind enemy lines in fountain (whom we were at war with) I agreed to a one on one and we fought a good fight. He could have ganked me like this guy got ganked in the above example but he didn't. He had me target jammed and was blasting away with missiles. I ran out of FoF's so I warped away and announced in local that my oponent (although never dropping my shields below 75%)had honorably won the fight. For my chivilrous act i was allowed to leave fountain unmolested. No my good citizens of Eve, this was a dishonorable act no matter how you slice it. Jhered Out!
Skillz	Posted - 2004.02.25 21:04:00 - [16] That's CELES alright. Quote: So you invited a pilot you were at war with (and as you would say kicking their arse) in a friendly duel and expect him to show up alone Keep on flaming, lamers.
The Reclaimer	Posted - 2004.02.25 21:07:00 - [17] Sounds like they took a page out of the Stain book. I will add that Havoktbc vs Homo Erectus had similiar dubious events happen. Maybe not exactly the same, but similar none the less. If anyone forgot about this and doubts me I will find the old thread. Becareful what you say, when your corp has done similar. Regardless, the CA disaproves of it, whomever does it.
Dust Puppy	Posted - 2004.02.25 21:09:00 - [18] Quote: That's CELES alright. Quote: So you invited a pilot you were at war with (and as you would say kicking their arse) in a friendly duel and expect him to show up alone Actually no this is not how Celest would behave and hence I would not do it as I would probably get kicked out for pulling a stunt like that. If however this stunt was pulled on my under those circumstances I would not be the least bit surprised and I certainly wouldn't come crying about it on the forums. __________ Capacitor research
nails	Posted - 2004.02.25 21:09:00 - [19] People don't like to loose, thus is why physicial rules have to be put into play to keep people in line. I'm all for a fair 1vs1 match, without a doubt you are taking the risk of a gank at this point in the game if you choose to go forward with one. At some point I hope CCP writes in some kinda of legitimate gang arena that can allow players to fight evenly without breaking the rules, or reganging while in the middle of a fight. About the most you can do in the current situation is point the finger at Presidio and note how much of a coward he is. Sad display of cowardise Presidio, and it makes it even worse the fact that you bragged about the kill on the forums. Go die please. ------------------ http://ota-corps.otaku.jp -- Anime l33t level
ProphetGuru	Posted - 2004.02.25 21:11:00 - [20] I wish I could say this suprised me. GODS has shown nothing approaching honor in this entire war however. A lot of the guys in PA, tho we are at war, are decent people. Some are .... not. People can judge for themselves I think, who is who. Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
dalman	Posted - 2004.02.25 21:12:00 - [21] Quote: Sounds like they took a page out of the Stain book. I will add that Havoktbc vs Homo Erectus had similiar dubious events happen. Maybe not exactly the same, but similar none the less. If anyone forgot about this and doubts me I will find the old thread. Becareful what you say, when your corp has done similar. Regardless, the CA disaproves of it, whomever does it. The reclaimer, CA has done this too. I don't doubt that sum1 in my alliance has done it too. No matter if it's a friend or enemy doing it, I call it extremely lame. M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
olyyy	Posted - 2004.02.25 21:15:00 - [22] grin SirMolle were u really expecting some honour from people who are already traitors? From people who sold the NVA ? From people who ejected one of the founding corp? Galaga (Galaxian - XIF corp) And yes, Olyyy is on our KOS list so she enjoys stirring the "flames" ( 2004.05.25 )
drunkenmaster	Posted - 2004.02.25 21:17:00 - [23] bUBbLeS dONkeY > cAKe vs cAKe = fair What more is there to say? .
HavokTBP	Posted - 2004.02.25 21:20:00 - [24] (cough) I remember homo doing something similar on me.... Least it wasn't 4 people though. Member of the Curse Alliance before the Corruption Leader of The Black Plague.
ReForMatt	Posted - 2004.02.25 21:24:00 - [25] I personally wouldnÆt have done that, but in a game there are thousands of different personalities things happen. That being said I donÆt really do staged 1on1 either. For obvious reasons. But whatever we are at war. Flame on. GODS NUFF SAID!!
Neil Crow	Posted - 2004.02.25 21:25:00 - [26] Quote: Stigit > Jakal and presideo and already fought a little Jakal new that presideo only had long range so he set up a short range trap Deathwing > um Deathwing > presidio only carries one kind of ammo? OK, first I feel the need to say... I consider this very lame and wouldn't consider doing it myself (for the same reason I'd never log off in battle etc... respect is worth more than ISK). But... You do know that long range guns hit bad at close range no matter their ammo type, yes? It's not like +60% ammo hits WORSE at close range than -50% ammo either...
The Reclaimer	Posted - 2004.02.25 21:33:00 - [27] Quote: Quote: Sounds like they took a page out of the Stain book. I will add that Havoktbc vs Homo Erectus had similiar dubious events happen. Maybe not exactly the same, but similar none the less. If anyone forgot about this and doubts me I will find the old thread. Becareful what you say, when your corp has done similar. Regardless, the CA disaproves of it, whomever does it. The reclaimer, CA has done this too. I don't doubt that sum1 in my alliance has done it too. No matter if it's a friend or enemy doing it, I call it extremely lame. Name names, bring proof. Evol's Tactics in 1-1
drunkenmaster	Posted - 2004.02.25 21:38:00 - [28] Quote: Quote: Stigit > Jakal and presideo and already fought a little Jakal new that presideo only had long range so he set up a short range trap Deathwing > um Deathwing > presidio only carries one kind of ammo? OK, first I feel the need to say... I consider this very lame and wouldn't consider doing it myself (for the same reason I'd never log off in battle etc... respect is worth more than ISK). But... You do know that long range guns hit bad at close range no matter their ammo type, yes? It's not like +60% ammo hits WORSE at close range than -50% ammo either... If he knew his guns wouldn't work at that range, he could quite easily have refused to fight, it's not like he didn't have a choice.. .
Valeria	Posted - 2004.02.25 21:44:00 - [29] Heh, if I remember correctly it was a GODS battleship pilot that once run like a girl from 2 of our cruisers, and then came back with half the PA fleet and several metric tons of smacktalk. Much hilariousness ensued. Your 425mm Prototype I Gauss Gun perfectly strikes some nublar, wrecking for 1155.0 damage.
Ackath	Posted - 2004.02.25 21:45:00 - [30] Sorry to interfere but wasnt Presidio with the scorp and Jakal with the Tempest ? Now i know Scorp can fight at any range but with close to med range being a bit better since he has to scramble and if using 425s with antimatter that would be optimal range, so Presidio in a 15 - 20 km should have been ok especially since he thought Jakal would go for range with the common 1400 setup. But what? was Jakal all autocanons :P??? I mean i have trouble understanding why they claimed Jakal set him up?
ReForMatt	Posted - 2004.02.25 21:48:00 - [31] I do have a question about his "quote" quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Last night I logged on after a day of playing eve and doing nothing at all. I was bored and wanted to fight. I ASKED some one if they wanted to fight. I invited presido into a gang, he warped to me, i locked him, webbed him and started shooting and he locked me, webbed and warpscambled me and shot, i launched drones. i notice he isnt in my gang anymore. I start MWD way for 30 secs, i get to 8km and his scorp is at 30% of his armor/ hull bar, when 4 more PA warp in. they target jam me and then have my shields down. i am very very warp sctammbled and my armor is going down fast. so i self-destruct, and warp out in my pod. Notice the last sentence (he self destructed??) And yet Name: CHASTITY TITE (laid the final blow) Security Status: 0.0 Corporation: InfiniCorp Ship Type: Moa Weapon Type: Inferno Torpedo I Things that make you go hmm so did he tell you the whole truth? GODS NUFF SAID!!
Jakal	Posted - 2004.02.25 21:50:00 - [32] presidio had a web on thats part of a close rang set up. i asked if any 1 wanted to fight,presidio was the first to voluntier. i was alone in local and there were 8 of them and 1 of me, all the trust in that was up to the PA. pirates are more trust worthy -Adapt and Overcome.
Jakal	Posted - 2004.02.25 21:53:00 - [33] i clicked an confirmed self destruct. but i wasn't tanked at all, they were doinf good damage, i also got out in my pod. -Adapt and Overcome.
Shamis Orzoz	Posted - 2004.02.25 21:54:00 - [34] I'm not a big fan of Presidio myself, but anybody that is dumb enough to agree to a "1v1" in hostile space deserves to die. This sort of thing has been done so many times in eve I would have thought any experienced player would know what a bad idea it was.
Estarriol	Posted - 2004.02.25 21:58:00 - [35] Quote: Things that make you go hmm so did he tell you the whole truth? This is fairly obvious nitpicking, as you know perfectly well that there is a lag between the time when the self-destruct command is issued and when it actually occurs.
ReForMatt	Posted - 2004.02.25 21:58:00 - [36] Quote: Heh, if I remember correctly it was a GODS battleship pilot that once run like a girl from 2 of our cruisers, and then came back with half the PA fleet and several metric tons of smacktalk. Much hilariousness ensued. Who was it? This seems pretty smacky to me unless you can provide who it is. GODS NUFF SAID!!
ReForMatt	Posted - 2004.02.25 22:02:00 - [37] Quote: Quote: Things that make you go hmm so did he tell you the whole truth? This is fairly obvious nitpicking, as you know perfectly well that there is a lag between the time when the self-destruct command is issued and when it actually occurs. LOL yea I was but still you know I couldn't help my self I am bored at work Though the whole thread is kinda like that also we read about what Presido has done yes shame shame on him. And then we also read a member in Evo has done the same? GODS NUFF SAID!!
Estarriol	Posted - 2004.02.25 22:06:00 - [38] Quote: I'm not a big fan of Presidio myself, but anybody that is dumb enough to agree to a "1v1" in hostile space deserves to die. This sort of thing has been done so many times in eve I would have thought any experienced player would know what a bad idea it was. There was question among Evol whether we might be fighting some of the 'good guys' up here in Venal. No doubt, there are still good guys in PA, but now we know about one who isn't. It's much easier to replace a battleship than a person's credibility.
Estarriol	Posted - 2004.02.25 22:07:00 - [39] Quote: Though the whole thread is kinda like that also we read about what Presido has done yes shame shame on him. And then we also read a member in Evo has done the same? Actually, it wasn't that similar. Did you read the old thread which was Reclaimed?
Iluyen	Posted - 2004.02.25 22:07:00 - [40] "Today, as we always do, when someone dies, we get a description of how, and then taunt them about it for a week or two." You mean he tells you what happens and you actually believe him without asking 69 screenshots, 2 logs and an oath as proof? I guess thats only for your enemies then.
ReForMatt	Posted - 2004.02.25 22:18:00 - [41] Quote: Quote: Though the whole thread is kinda like that also we read about what Presido has done yes shame shame on him. And then we also read a member in Evo has done the same? Actually, it wasn't that similar. Did you read the old thread which was Reclaimed? I read the one that was link in this post I will try to summarize what I gathered from reading it. They warped to a planet for a one on one. She/or he knew there was Evo pilots in system but still took the one on one. A few Of he corp came in system but not at the one on one location. Then an Evo ship warped into where the one on one was taking place. So she bailed. Looks to be the same except she/he bailed. GODS NUFF SAID!!
Jakal	Posted - 2004.02.25 22:36:00 - [42] Edited by: Jakal on 25/02/2004 22:37:32 I WAS ALONE IN THE SYSTEM THERE WERE 8 OF THEM. THEY USED THE INVATION FOR A 1on 1 TO DO A NORMAL FIGHT. grab a clue, those guys are pudds. -Adapt and Overcome.
KIAInkZ	Posted - 2004.02.25 22:45:00 - [43] It's not something I would do personally, but you still lost a battleships, so gg I say --- Forums/Killboard - http://www.kia-corp.co.uk
Revolution	Posted - 2004.02.25 22:52:00 - [44] roflles presidin00b sat in local the other day with 15 other pa while we held the station with 5 bships, telling us how much he owned us, and how he could own any of us 1 vrs 1..... what a **** smoker.
Homo Ergaster	Posted - 2004.02.25 23:03:00 - [45] Your sails have no wind reclaimer/havok. Your obsession with me will stay baseless. I told havok many times I would not fight a 1v1 in the main system of the entire Curse Alliance. If either of you would like a proper 1v1 in a non highway, non station, non hq system, I would be glad to do it. When 2 pilots meet at a station, in HLW, and it has not been declared a 1v1, it isn't a 1v1. So again, if either of you can muster the mansacks to 1v1 me, I'm down. Evolution has never, and will never disrupt arranged 1v1's. This, like many things, is a fact, regardless of how hard the lil kids we've spanked around cr otherwise. So, Reclaimer, Havok, 1v1?
Homo Ergaster	Posted - 2004.02.25 23:07:00 - [46] Edited by: Homo Ergaster on 25/02/2004 23:07:59 On a PA sidenote, this was not the first time PA disregarded an arranged 1v1. I formed a gang with a kid named FireKiller, and set up a safespot for a proper 1v1 that he had requested. He came to me, left the gang, and one of his friends warped into the safespot. Foretunately for me, I saw this cowardess coming, and left in time. When asked about the incident minutes later, FireKiller justified his friend warping to me because apparently I used 2 sensor dampeners, and that's cheating. Kinda like how jakal was cheating by setting up his ship accordingly vs Presidio. It's a shame that PA are this weak.
LLeBRing	Posted - 2004.02.25 23:10:00 - [47] omg omg omg omg, he killed him. CHEATER CHEATER CHEATER!!!!! oh well still dead like Havocide said, there are no rules WAAAAA WAAAAA WAAAAAA Nuttin but corn bread en chicken for this fella
Homo Ergaster	Posted - 2004.02.25 23:12:00 - [48] why is it that the PA are crying about evol doing some bs logoff trap(that we do not use) and that it's an exploit.... then coming here and saying there are no rules in war to justify when someone say "lets do a 1v1" then breaks his word? do you guys even realize that you're liars and hypocrits?
Estarriol	Posted - 2004.02.25 23:14:00 - [49] Quote: like Havocide said, there are no rules None except the word of your friend, and the word of mine. If your friend's word amounts to no rule at all, then so be it.
LLeBRing	Posted - 2004.02.25 23:18:00 - [50] cry about it a little more, maybe the noobs in good ol duri will hear you :) Nuttin but corn bread en chicken for this fella
Homo Ergaster	Posted - 2004.02.25 23:19:00 - [51] would you like me to play as dirty as you? (please answer this question)
Skillz	Posted - 2004.02.25 23:19:00 - [52] Even honest corp theives like me thinks it's low to consent to a 1 vs 1 and then group gank with friends. Keep on flaming, lamers.
Halseth Durn	Posted - 2004.02.25 23:20:00 - [53] Homo, I have heard of you 1on1 a few pilots in Venal since the beginning of our little conflict. They all said it was fair fight, and I commend all those involved in such honor-bound combat. It is truly the best test of someones word.
Cao Cao	Posted - 2004.02.25 23:25:00 - [54] Quote: there are no rules in war Hmm and the Geneva Convention? I very strongly disagree . . . in war there is honor, this is why many battles were settled by their commanders dueling, the other side then surrendering once their leader was defeated. There is and should be honor in war. If it wasn't for the fact that the PA were, in my view, the worst scum in the EVE universe, my esteem for them would have dropped a lot over this incident. Congrats Halseth Durn! You lead a pack of dishonorable cowards!
LLeBRing	Posted - 2004.02.25 23:25:00 - [55] Edited by: LLeBRing on 25/02/2004 23:27:53 we don't play dirty (he is not in rona-kia) however we fully support his tactics and congradulate him fully, not only on his kill but the fact that he ****ed you guys off. in response to your question. I don't care if you play dirty or clean Doesn't bother me nor anyone else one bit. so if we play dirty does that make us pirates?? WAAAAAAA WAAAAAAA WAAAAAA Nuttin but corn bread en chicken for this fella
Homo Ergaster	Posted - 2004.02.25 23:26:00 - [56] Edited by: Homo Ergaster on 25/02/2004 23:28:56 Well Halseth, thankyou, I suppose. I truly hope that you can dissuade others in your alliance from straight up lying and breaking their word regarding these duels. I played a game called Jumpgate, and a game called Homeworld. In games, like these, it's very very hard to get an even fight. The root of everything is one. one pilot vs another, same ship class. There is honor in this, even though the duel may be misplaced in an mmog like this one. lebrring, you are now saying that R-K don't play that way? you do realize you are allied with those who lied and disregarded the arranged duel? I had respect for Kia at a time. I even posted of their honor in a few threads in which it was questioned. But I just lost 100% of my respect for Kia, thanks to your statements.
LLeBRing	Posted - 2004.02.25 23:33:00 - [57] Edited by: LLeBRing on 25/02/2004 23:35:06 sorry to hear that however I lost respect for Evo when they turned on their friends (PA) and invaded venal in what has got to be the most ridiculous reason I have ever heard before in my life. Here are the rules when pvp'ing in EVE There are none. Remember that we are in a war and that you are in our space. We will do whatever we want, whenever we want, for as long as its necessary. Regardless of tactics or not. Now com'on.... someone does a 1 on 1 and cheats?? big deal. It wasn't the first time, it won't be the last Nuttin but corn bread en chicken for this fella
Mistress D'Malice	Posted - 2004.02.25 23:33:00 - [58] So Evol(thinking Shrike but not sure) does this and its "beyond his control what his corp mates do" and PA does this and they have no honor? Heres to wishing CCP introduces an /ignore command for forums/local... Black Lotus Official Forums - www.blacklotusclan.com Contact Me - [email protected]
SirMolle	Posted - 2004.02.25 23:35:00 - [59] Quote: Edited by: LLeBRing on 25/02/2004 23:27:53 we don't play dirty (he is not in rona-kia) however we fully support his tactics and congradulate him fully, not only on his kill but the fact that he ****ed you guys off. Right. "We dont play dirty", "We support his tactics". Thank you for showing what you are made of RONA-KIA. Now, which corp of PA is next to loose any respect they ever had?
Tyrrax Thorrk	Posted - 2004.02.25 23:43:00 - [60] Well I think this is just another example of how PA is comprised of total losers. Just like when Celestial Apocalypse did the same to some pirate or other and everyone was all happy about it.. (And yes they were still part of NVA or PA or whatever at the time) Scum the lot of you. http://eve.klaki.net/
AntR82	Posted - 2004.02.25 23:48:00 - [61] I doubt RONA-KIA'S rep is hurt in any way shape or form. SirMolle/Shrike, whoever you are, this post you made was ridiculous. Evolution fought dirty in criele, are they subject to the same reputation now?? You complain that people don't fight fair. As if your pilots have never fought fair.. lol right, give me a break
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.02.25 23:50:00 - [62] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 25/02/2004 23:52:03 Quote: however I lost respect for Evo when they turned on their friends (PA) and invaded venal in what has got to be the most ridiculous reason I have ever heard before in my life. LLeBRing, it doesn't matter how many times you say this, the truth will not go away. Evolution were granted a permanent NAP and access to Venal by the NVA in recognition for their aid in the Taggart war. The key here is "permanent". It was a debt of honour. By dumping the NVA and reforming the PA with no recognition of earlier pacts and friendships and debts you behaved like snakes. Now I am obviously less than impartial since I have felt the kiss of your backstabbing myself, but the fact remains it is ridiculous to accuse Evolution of acting dishonourably in "invading" venal. They had every right to be there by pact and treaty completely disavowed by the puerile coup that let to the founding of the PA. Some people remember these things. Its called "history". JF Public Forum
Halseth Durn	Posted - 2004.02.25 23:52:00 - [63] LOL, I think Tyraxx is a little upset because: A. He was kicked out of Oberon a long time ago. AND/OR B. He respectfully asked for mining access to Venal 2 weeks ago and was denied.
sutty	Posted - 2004.02.25 23:53:00 - [64] well basically. We was never your friends or allys, after your formed the PA all former NVA ties were cut, which was also stated by the PA on the forums. You fired the first shots and we responded. Now for the first week you was ok, you formed big massive blobs and we sat there laughing at you getting kills further down venal, after you realised your blobs suck and cant do anything, you resort to boarder line cheating. Then tonight 8 of you jumped into our fleet and all the blades and some F I W guy logged, and was invun for some 40 seconds then disapered, leaving two of your mates to die at the gate. Needless to say the F I W guy logged back in one hour later to only find himself in a pod after 15 seconds. Basically the whole of venal is dead, I look at the map and see, one and two person blobs, but only where evol is does the map glow, and in these systems you find mainly evol. So where are you PA where is this massive show of power you talk so much about, how are you going to win a war when you aint even there? to add further to the point of you "cheating" we had a interesting chat with TheSilentOne in local who admited to been lame. sutty > YEAH SLOTHE HAVE FUN 8) Kurt Hectic > die sloth die slothe > ok if u insist Deathwing > so you guys wanna fight? sutty > btw logging at the gate is lame Deathwing > nice insta jump sutty > dont you think this logging as soon as jumping is abit stupid Flatliner > Enjoy your pod Slothe. slothe > views great sutty > and hope the lame blade morons who logged at the gate enjoy therel logged period sutty > shame you just lost 3 battleships :D TheSilentOne > u can really find u'r self in a pod lol :) slothe > lock me TheSilentOne > sutty u really are a poor winner :) sutty > not a poor winner, it would of been a better win if you hadn't of been lame sutty > and logged at the gate slothe > tx slothe > heh Lianhaun > np sutty > but alas i expect no less from people with no honor :) TheSilentOne > maybe CubePusher > :) TheSilentOne > dont believe in honor TheSilentOne > do what u have to :) sutty > yes within game mechs sutty > but you push the limit with your log on traps and logging off TheSilentOne > aye sutty > and obviously what you can isn't enough when you lose ships TheSilentOne > the way it is sutty > and thank you for this great chat log admiting that you are lamers TheSilentOne > well i'm a lamer seems alot of the PA take this attitude. anyhow guess cheap kills are the only thing you gonna get. Faramir to a log on trap and Jakal to a lame ambush. getting abit desperate maybe oh and the FIW guy thanks for them limos launchers
Halseth Durn	Posted - 2004.02.25 23:56:00 - [65] Edited by: Halseth Durn on 26/02/2004 00:01:11 double post
AntR82	Posted - 2004.02.25 23:57:00 - [66] Jade your post has just been contradicted by Sutty Please don't post again on matters that don't concern you. BTW I think most just skip your posts nowa days anyway :)
ProphetGuru	Posted - 2004.02.26 00:00:00 - [67] llebring, you are certainly doing a fine job of giving your corp a bad name today. You tend to usually not be so trollish, kinda suprises me. Presidio could not wait to use his killing of jackal as justifacation of his pvp prowess, and proof of his courage in fighting the infidiel Evolution corp. We now see what his idea of fighting is. Even a member of your alliance mentioned "trying to justify it so they can sleep at night." Now.... I think thats a bit over the top myself lol, but it certainly shows what other members of your honorable alliance think of it. Have you guys sunk so low that you will play the game in this way, just to get 1 kill? I realize losing on average of 5 bships EVERY DAY probably gets a little trying, however I didn't think you guys would lose your honor trying to make up the kill ratio. I think Jade is right. You have all abandoned the principles upon which the previous NVA was founded. The one exception being celest. Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
sutty	Posted - 2004.02.26 00:01:00 - [68] no it didnt. jade just put it better then I did. When you formed the PA you stated on the forums that all former allies and NAPS would be cut. Therefor we didn't have a NAP with the PA or was your friends. and you fired first.
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.02.26 00:03:00 - [69] Quote: By dumping the NVA and reforming the PA with no recognition of earlier pacts and friendships and debts you behaved like snakes. Now I am obviously less than impartial since I have felt the kiss of your backstabbing myself, but the fact remains it is ridiculous to accuse Evolution of acting dishonourably in "invading" venal. I see no contradiction. We both say the same thing: the PA renounced all ties and pacts and agreements and NAPs and debts of honour in what was (and remains) a deeply dishonourable formation of a sleezy alliance. And for the record, I feel eminently qualified to speak on these matters, given that I a) sat in on the initial negotiations that promised Evolution permanent NAP with NVA, and b) received first hand impressions of the less than "honourable" nature of your comrades in the scrambled expulsion/reformation vote. Answer my points by all means, debate with me, lets dance! But never demand that I stay silent. Nobody has managed to brow beat me into mute wordless acceptance of a lie thus far in the history of Eve. And nobody ever will. Love and peace JF Public Forum
LLeBRing	Posted - 2004.02.26 00:03:00 - [70] Quote: llebring, you are certainly doing a fine job of giving your corp a bad name today. You tend to usually not be so trollish, kinda suprises me. I know!!! I'm in my database management class and its just absolute crap, so while she is talking about constraints and all the keys i'm reading the forums and prolly gonna fail my next test :( Nuttin but corn bread en chicken for this fella
Presidio	Posted - 2004.02.26 00:28:00 - [71] Edited by: Presidio on 26/02/2004 00:30:01 Ok now here is my story: 1.) I scored couple of 620 dmg hits on Jackal prior to our little engagement against Jackal at 82KM away, so yes I had the long range setup on. Also my setup was more of a fleet support setup, than a 1vs1 PvP setup, I mean do you seriously think I would PvP someone in a scorpion without any ECM ? lol A scorp has no chance against a tempest without any ECM, the fact is: Tempest can have more stamina and more firepower, I know this since Tempest is my primary ship. 2.) When you warp to a gang member you can't choose the distance you are warping in at, so when you warp in you will be closer than 15KM to the target, in this case short range setup works the best. Which is exacly what Jackal had on, I beleive he used 800mms or Autocannons, they were not the 1400mms for sure. So yes it was a trap. 3.) Most important is to pay close attention to the chat log: We never agreed on 1vs1, he asked for trouble, did I lie? I said I was going to fight him... which did not mean I Was going to be alone. Is it my faut someone is stupid and how does that make this kill less honorable than any other kill. ------------------------------------------------------------ Channelname: Local Listener: Presidio Session started: 2004.02.25 02:33:39 ------------------------------------------------------------ [ 2004.02.25 02:58:15 ] Jakal > anyone want to fight? [ 2004.02.25 03:02:39 ] Jakal > wow brave PA [ 2004.02.25 03:04:36 ] Jakal > i said any-one not every body [ 2004.02.25 03:04:44 ] Eversor > wow brave Jackal [ 2004.02.25 03:04:59 ] Jakal > im here by my self [ 2004.02.25 03:05:41 ] Jakal > the 7 evol members online atm are in venal not branch [ 2004.02.25 03:09:12 ] Jakal > 2004.02.25 03:08:43combatPresidio [GODS] strikes you perfectly, wrecking for 629.0 damage. Presidio [GODS] strikes you perfectly, wrecking for 629.0 damage. [ 2004.02.25 03:09:17 ] Jakal > nice [ 2004.02.25 03:09:27 ] Presidio > 82KM :P [ 2004.02.25 03:10:50 ] Jakal > yea like is said any 1 want to fight? [ 2004.02.25 03:12:45 ] Jakal > if 1 of you is brave enough to fight me, let me know and ill send you a gang invite [ 2004.02.25 03:13:00 ] Presidio > sure I will fight ya [ 2004.02.25 03:20:29 ] Jakal > and the PA says we always run But again, Evol tries, to spin it so it looks like an exploit or a cheat. I personally don't care what anyone thinks, those who know me, know that I don't lie, cheat or exploit. And when it comes to Evol the more wrong you are about me the better :P So keep on crying.... The way evol fights is very honorable </Sarcasm>, log off traps, and things of that nature, and we know this for a fact, most of us have you in our address book, we see when you log on. - "Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive." Mao Tse-tung
Hoodah Thunkitt	Posted - 2004.02.26 00:29:00 - [72] I think one day CA will come to Venal to destroy PA. At that time PA might regret having alienated EVOL since they're about the only worthwhile potential ally that PA coulda looked for help from ;)
Presidio	Posted - 2004.02.26 00:35:00 - [73] Quote: You will never, ever, in any corp, wherever you go, whatever you do, be taken off our target list. That is the most lamest stunt i ever heard. Frankly my dear, got to ****. Reap what you sow. I am very scared - "Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive." Mao Tse-tung
sutty	Posted - 2004.02.26 00:37:00 - [74] so what do we think the next name of the PA will be ?
Halseth Durn	Posted - 2004.02.26 00:38:00 - [75] When I joined the NVA, nobody told me that I owed Evolution or anyone else ANYTHING. Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS
Presidio	Posted - 2004.02.26 00:39:00 - [76] Quote: so what do we think the next name of the PA will be ? You should be concerned with where you should start mining next - "Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive." Mao Tse-tung
Stoop	Posted - 2004.02.26 00:52:00 - [77] Just my opinion, but there is no honor in Evol's claims that we attacked them and they are simply retaliating. You KNOW that you were not allowed in venal. Homo and the other person came into our space and it was asked repeatedly over and over what the people running the blockade should do. They did not want to fire on Homo and parties. After Homo and parties continued to run the blockade after being told to stop etc.. he was fired upon just as he told he would be. As far as I am concerned you guys wanted to come fight us, your next targets if you will. Don't try to cover your intentions up by making us look like the agressors, and the ones reaping the harvests we have sown.
Capn Blood	Posted - 2004.02.26 01:04:00 - [78] PA are not the NVA. The NVA had the respect of many. The PA is just another alliance that denies vast areas of space to anyone other than their friends. So they can mine and be rich. There MAY be a few corps left in PA that are decent, but to be honest I doubt it, as any decent corp would have left when Jericho Fraction were kicked out for refusing to play EVE as a TeamSpeak game. For those of us who've been around from the start, Jade represents the best of what EVE could be. Freedom and the defiance of greed and tyranny. I'd much rather listen to her than some "leet speak" dudes. ============================================== "Trust no man who says to you that 'The ends justify the means' or who says that 'We will do whatever it takes...'. These men have no honour, and are fit only to be politicians." The book of Rab Chapter 1, Verse 3. ==============================================
dalman	Posted - 2004.02.26 01:08:00 - [79] Quote: Quote: Quote: Sounds like they took a page out of the Stain book. I will add that Havoktbc vs Homo Erectus had similiar dubious events happen. Maybe not exactly the same, but similar none the less. If anyone forgot about this and doubts me I will find the old thread. Becareful what you say, when your corp has done similar. Regardless, the CA disaproves of it, whomever does it. The reclaimer, CA has done this too. I don't doubt that sum1 in my alliance has done it too. No matter if it's a friend or enemy doing it, I call it extremely lame. Name names, bring proof. Evol's Tactics in 1-1 The situation I had in mind was very early in the CA-SA war. The proof is in a thread somewhere on this forum. I can't be arsed to spend 2-3 hours trying to find it. I don't remember the names, I'm not even sure if it was a collective member or an EV member that was the target. Local numbers were about 3 vs 8. They agree for a 1vs1. When the fighters enganged both of them CTD. When the SA fighter gets in again his ship is as good as dead since all the CA guys are fireing on him. Kind of a strange situation. I assume the CA pilot told his friends on TS to warp in when he crashed. A quick look on local would have informed all the CA guys that the SA guy had crashed too. And since it takes a good while to destroy a battleship and he crashed right at the beginning, his ship would have disappeared before the SA guy could have killed it anyway. M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
Xuesia	Posted - 2004.02.26 01:15:00 - [80] Quote: You KNOW that you were not allowed in venal. Homo and the other person came into our space and it was asked repeatedly over and over what the people running the blockade should do. They did not want to fire on Homo and parties. After Homo and parties continued to run the blockade after being told to stop etc.. he was fired upon just as he told he would be. im always refered to as the "other guy" or "other party" oh the pain of being annonymous "All men are created equal, it's just that some are more equal than others
drunkenmaster	Posted - 2004.02.26 01:16:00 - [81] I have no respect at all for someone that comes to a 1v1 with a selection of friends behind him. Quote: [ 2004.02.25 03:04:36 ] Jakal > i said any-one not every body I think this was the point where the '1v1'-ness of the fight was declared. Very poor show. And I don't care what weapons you had, you never planned to fight fair from the start. So weapons are sort of irrelevant, and using that as an excuse doesn't fill the coffers of honour with anything better than pepto-bismol. Claiming a victory is a situation like that is just despicable. I really would have expected more from an alliance that claims to be 'the good guys'... Maybe it was pride that made you accept the fight in the first place, and not wanting to be called a coward for refusing the offer... As it turned out, you appeared an even bigger coward by accepting, and pulling such a cheap stunt. I would urge the corps that weren't involved in this disgrace to leave this alliance, lest they be tarred (and feathered) with the same brush. I'm going to sleep now. If I think a good name for the 'next' venal alliance, I'll post it in the morning. .
KIAInkZ	Posted - 2004.02.26 01:19:00 - [82] Edited by: KIAInkZ on 26/02/2004 01:26:28 Edited by: KIAInkZ on 26/02/2004 01:24:44 Jade it's quite strange how I see things in a totally different light now, than I did at the time over the whole Evol vs TTI thing, but I'm not going into that, it's all been discussed to death. Evol's arrogance (well mainly homo's ), started this, and frankly upset a lot of people which is why we are where we are now. It was all going quite well but unfortunately our main enemy is CCP. Going on the offensive with a superior force, and the only result being gates breaking, and people loosing their ships, before they can even see who's firing at them is what is making the whole affair a bloody mess. Game mechanics are making this the suckiest war ever. Having anymore than a handful of ships is pointless for this reason. BKG, the system where most combat etc takes place is majorly screwed. Evol are pretty much contained in that system, and we wouldn't mind attacking all the time, but unfortunately game mechanics are holding us back, it's the same for both sides. It's making the whole affair very tiresome. We could go sit 70 ships in BKG within half an hour, but what's the point? Noone's going to bother attacking, and you just sit there bored for a bit longer. The only way to control a system at the moment is plant enough ships in there 24/7 so the other side can't attack due to lag problems which quite frankly is boring as hell. When a corporation the size of evol has their entire corp in one place all the time the only way to disrupt them is by brute force. Brute force = lots of ships = lag / bang / die. RONA KIA losts it's first sizeable amount of ships, since like .... ever, due to pilots crashing and not being able to see their enemies when attacking at the weekend. We're basically experiencing exactly the same scenarios as the moo vs fountain war. Once someone has a large number of ships in one place, there's sod all you can do to budge them, everyone knows this. I was speaking to a friend of mine in Evol the other night, and he was saying how he had to warp out just to reload his guns due to lag. I think i went a bit off topic there, but hey ho. Let's try to keep this nice on the forums. It's all been quite friendly up till now. well..... until Molle started posting ;) You sure you're not Havocides alt? I also love the way the respect wildcard get's thrown around a lot here, it's like the EVE equivilant of dissing someone's mum, and both sides are guilty of it. CCP, plz fix it so we can fight properly. Fighting is not supposed to be a lottery. Now we've had a break for a couple of days, I think it's time to start making Evol's stay uncomfortable again. --- Forums/Killboard - http://www.kia-corp.co.uk
Stoop	Posted - 2004.02.26 01:19:00 - [83] Quote: im always refered to as the "other guy" or "other party" oh the pain of being annonymous Sorry
Presidio	Posted - 2004.02.26 01:30:00 - [84] Edited by: Presidio on 26/02/2004 01:33:02 Edited by: Presidio on 26/02/2004 01:31:54 Quote: I have no respect at all for someone that comes to a 1v1 with a selection of friends behind him. Quote: [ 2004.02.25 03:04:36 ] Jakal > i said any-one not every body I think this was the point where the '1v1'-ness of the fight was declared. Very poor show. And I don't care what weapons you had, you never planned to fight fair from the start. So weapons are sort of irrelevant, and using that as an excuse doesn't fill the coffers of honour with anything better than pepto-bismol. Claiming a victory is a situation like that is just despicable. I really would have expected more from an alliance that claims to be 'the good guys'... Maybe it was pride that made you accept the fight in the first place, and not wanting to be called a coward for refusing the offer... As it turned out, you appeared an even bigger coward by accepting, and pulling such a cheap stunt. I would urge the corps that weren't involved in this disgrace to leave this alliance, lest they be tarred (and feathered) with the same brush. I'm going to sleep now. If I think a good name for the 'next' venal alliance, I'll post it in the morning. Ok, now the fact that I killed you once as well may have something to do with your post, but I will explain... We are at war... 90% of all ships that PA lost so far have been 5 vs 1 engagements or similar where evol ships would be ganking a single PA ship. On top of it the way the whole war started was less than honorable on the part of Evol. They backstabbed us. Not to mention a similar thing was done by Evol to one of my corp mates couple of days prior, only he did not die. I have no regret, and I don't think it was a poor show, I mean how many people can actually make Evol cry :) - "Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive." Mao Tse-tung
Havocide	Posted - 2004.02.26 01:46:00 - [85] Quote: Quote: there are no rules in war Hmm and the Geneva Convention? I very strongly disagree . . . in war there is honor, this is why many battles were settled by their commanders dueling, the other side then surrendering once their leader was defeated. There is and should be honor in war. If it wasn't for the fact that the PA were, in my view, the worst scum in the EVE universe, my esteem for them would have dropped a lot over this incident. Congrats Halseth Durn! You lead a pack of dishonorable cowards! stfu nub, im gona pod0r you !
Halseth Durn	Posted - 2004.02.26 01:50:00 - [86] Quote: LLeBRing, it doesn't matter how many times you say this, the truth will not go away. Evolution were granted a permanent NAP and access to Venal by the NVA in recognition for their aid in the Taggart war. The key here is "permanent". It was a debt of honour. By dumping the NVA and reforming the PA with no recognition of earlier pacts and friendships and debts you behaved like snakes. Now I am obviously less than impartial since I have felt the kiss of your backstabbing myself, but the fact remains it is ridiculous to accuse Evolution of acting dishonourably in "invading" venal. They had every right to be there by pact and treaty completely disavowed by the puerile coup that let to the founding of the PA. Some people remember these things. Its called "history". -Jade Well M'dear, You never told me anything about Oberon taking on a debt of gratitude to Evolution when we joined the NVA. I doubt if anyone told RONA that either. And FYI, the NVA died about a week before the PA formed after you proclaimed "Venal is dead" in alliance chat, team player. So stop playing the victim here. You have said over and over agin Jericho was leaving before the PA formed. The PA just gave you the push you needed.
CubePusher	Posted - 2004.02.26 01:51:00 - [87] Reputation is what other people know about you. Honor is what you know about yourself.
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.02.26 01:56:00 - [88] Quote: When I joined the NVA, nobody told me that I owed Evolution or anyone else ANYTHING. I'm afraid you are telling fibbs again Halseth, when I confirmed your membership of the NVA, you and Thesius were asked to read, agree, and swear to uphold the declaration of principles, member list, and military ally list. Evolution were clearly listed on the roster. You chose the dishonourable path of abandoning all past faith and debts to form the PA. But as long as I remain a witness to the word you pledged and then broke, you will not get away with fooling the public of the eve star cluster m'dear. JF Public Forum
Presidio	Posted - 2004.02.26 01:59:00 - [89] Quote: Quote: When I joined the NVA, nobody told me that I owed Evolution or anyone else ANYTHING. I'm afraid you are telling fibbs again Halseth, when I confirmed your membership of the NVA, you and Thesius were asked to read, agree, and swear to uphold the declaration of principles, member list, and military ally list. Evolution were clearly listed on the roster. You chose the dishonourable path of abandoning all past faith and debts to form the PA. But as long as I remain a witness to the word you pledged and then broke, you will not get away with fooling the public of the eve star cluster m'dear. Cmon Jade, the roster never mentioned Perma-NAP to Evol. NAP is not a static list it changes all the time. - "Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive." Mao Tse-tung
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.02.26 02:05:00 - [90] Quote: PA are not the NVA. The NVA had the respect of many. The PA is just another alliance that denies vast areas of space to anyone other than their friends. So they can mine and be rich. There MAY be a few corps left in PA that are decent, but to be honest I doubt it, as any decent corp would have left when Jericho Fraction were kicked out for refusing to play EVE as a TeamSpeak game. For those of us who've been around from the start, Jade represents the best of what EVE could be. Freedom and the defiance of greed and tyranny. I'd much rather listen to her than some "leet speak" dudes. I'm touched and greatly moved by your words Capn Blood, it means an awful lot to me to know that there are people who have followed this wonderful story of heroism and betrayal with a keen eye and fine analysis. It brings home to me just how wonderful the universe of Eve is in making mythology and larger than life storytelling. And you are so right about the teamspeak thing ;) Love and peace JF Public Forum
j0sephine	Posted - 2004.02.26 02:10:00 - [91] "2.) When you warp to a gang member you can't choose the distance you are warping in at, so when you warp in you will be closer than 15KM to the target, in this case short range setup works the best. Which is exacly what Jackal had on, I beleive he used 800mms or Autocannons, they were not the 1400mms for sure. So yes it was a trap. 3.) Most important is to pay close attention to the chat log: We never agreed on 1vs1, he asked for trouble, did I lie? (..) [ 2004.02.25 03:12:45 ] Jakal > if 1 of you is brave enough to fight me, let me know and ill send you a gang invite [ 2004.02.25 03:13:00 ] Presidio > sure I will fight ya" "1 of you (..) to fight me" is quite precise, methinks... and so is "i will fight", as opposed to 'i and my buddies' or whatever. Not sure why having the ship configured for close range fight when both sides know the fight will start from close range is a "trap" as opposed to common sense, either.... but oh well.
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.02.26 02:10:00 - [92] Quote: Cmon Jade, the roster never mentioned Perma-NAP to Evol. NAP is not a static list it changes all the time. It was agreed in the founding councils of the NVA that Evolution and the Fountain allies would have NAP and access to the region. Many such agreements were made. I even have the paperwork of a deal that KIA Eddz and I signed granting perpetual NAP, Access, and Mining rights to a supporter of the NVA war effort. All such agreements were ripped up and abandoned by the PA founding coup. Its disgusting and dishonourable Presidio. Seriously, there is no other valid analysis of the deeds that were done. I have nothing but derision and scorn for people that trade away their name and reputation for greed and petty envy. If word is given, it must be kept. Its that simple. JF Public Forum
BobGhengisKhan	Posted - 2004.02.26 02:18:00 - [93] I died once to that. I was only mad that Leila Numanor, who was in a safe spot about 70,000 k out, didnt warp in to dampen my target so that I could warp out when 5 of them jumped in. He warped to me soon as they jumped, then immediately left. I started cursing at him, he warped back, then immediately out again, about a second later the 5 warped into me and blew me up. You're such a****, Leila
Deathwing	Posted - 2004.02.26 02:36:00 - [94] Presidio you are such a silly little kid I mean here you are pulling, what I believe to be one of the lamest stunts in the game, and bragging about the kill. There is your buddy who was there, confirming the whole thing was a setup to get Jakal, as there was no real intention to fight a 1v1 Then there is you saying that you never specified that you would fight 1v1, when in that very log you posted, in bold i might add, clearly states that it was a 1v1 battle, I mean any deaf, dumb, blind, retarded mute could see that it was going to be a 1v1. Jeeze, the other day it was the Bladrunners with the log on trap to gank two guys, now its a staged setup to ambush a 1v1 with the reasoning that it was a "setup" by Jakal in the first place Even the pirates say you have no honor Now to tap dance on Inkz Quote: Evol are pretty much contained in that system Your deffinition of "prety much" and "contained" are required here, as last i was logged in, we controlled all 2 of the 3 stations, and were freely roaming about in upper and lower venal, branch, wtf ever it is. Quote: and we wouldn't mind attacking all the time, but unfortunately game mechanics are holding us back Do game mechanics hold you guys back from 1v1's? I mean cause Ive been callin people out yesterday and today and people just stop tlaking in local, its prety funny Like this cheeky lady Ambroshia > sutty Ambroshia > is it true you swallow ? Deathwing > hey bUBbLeS dONkeY > how childish Deathwing > you are good Deathwing > wanna dance? Deathwing > you me? Ambroshia > i hear theres a fraps of you garglining Deathwing > cmon Deathwing > you me Deathwing > Ambrosia Deathwing > cmon Ambroshia > oh LOL, SUCKER!!!! Deathwing > i got my blue suede shoes Deathwing > lets go dancin Deathwing > cmon Ambroshia, you me, my blue suede shoes, a spoon and some syrup Deathwing > THE SPOON Deathwing > k Deathwing > have fun fakin afk, im gonna go watch tv Ive had people claim to be drunk so they cant possibly 1v1 at the time Other people in the middle of people going "ok lets go" say "i bbl" when im all ready to dance, and then as soon as I say "forget this im gonna go watch tv" they are magicaly back in local again saying "have fun m8" So unless the game mechanics of eve are so ungodly poor that it can no longer support a 1v1, then i dunno i'll let you think about it <Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS
Presidio	Posted - 2004.02.26 02:46:00 - [95] Edited by: Presidio on 26/02/2004 02:48:28 Quote: Presidio you are such a silly little kid I mean here you are pulling, what I believe to be one of the lamest stunts in the game, and bragging about the kill. There is your buddy who was there, confirming the whole thing was a setup to get Jakal, as there was no real intention to fight a 1v1 Then there is you saying that you never specified that you would fight 1v1, when in that very log you posted, in bold i might add, clearly states that it was a 1v1 battle, I mean any deaf, dumb, blind, retarded mute could see that it was going to be a 1v1. Jeeze, the other day it was the Bladrunners with the log on trap to gank two guys, now its a staged setup to ambush a 1v1 with the reasoning that it was a "setup" by Jakal in the first place Even the pirates say you have no honor Now to tap dance on Inkz Quote: Evol are pretty much contained in that system Your deffinition of "prety much" and "contained" are required here, as last i was logged in, we controlled all 2 of the 3 stations, and were freely roaming about in upper and lower venal, branch, wtf ever it is. Quote: and we wouldn't mind attacking all the time, but unfortunately game mechanics are holding us back Do game mechanics hold you guys back from 1v1's? I mean cause Ive been callin people out yesterday and today and people just stop tlaking in local, its prety funny Like this cheeky lady Ambroshia > sutty Ambroshia > is it true you swallow ? Deathwing > hey bUBbLeS dONkeY > how childish Deathwing > you are good Deathwing > wanna dance? Deathwing > you me? Ambroshia > i hear theres a fraps of you garglining Deathwing > cmon Deathwing > you me Deathwing > Ambrosia Deathwing > cmon Ambroshia > oh LOL, SUCKER!!!! Deathwing > i got my blue suede shoes Deathwing > lets go dancin Deathwing > cmon Ambroshia, you me, my blue suede shoes, a spoon and some syrup Deathwing > THE SPOON Deathwing > k Deathwing > have fun fakin afk, im gonna go watch tv Ive had people claim to be drunk so they cant possibly 1v1 at the time Other people in the middle of people going "ok lets go" say "i bbl" when im all ready to dance, and then as soon as I say "forget this im gonna go watch tv" they are magicaly back in local again saying "have fun m8" So unless the game mechanics of eve are so ungodly poor that it can no longer support a 1v1, then i dunno i'll let you think about it I never bragged about that kill it was a response to "I always run" claim by ProphetGuru. It is pointless to debate about it. I don't expect you to have constructive and well thought out posts, you're the mighty Evol, the forum warriors ! - "Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive." Mao Tse-tung
Sequin	Posted - 2004.02.26 03:16:00 - [96] Your the only one trying to forum fight, big guy:) On a side note, why is it always everyone else in evol who gets attention? I lose a totally tricked out Vexor the first day and no one ever went "W00t sequin died!". I feel unloved:( ^A Raem Civre Original EVE-Trade, for your buying and selling needs. A Voogru original. [i]Redon > evol and mass have a GM helping them with everything Redon > notice how they always get ships replaced and none of us cant <--- Hurray for teamwork! b] We are evil exploiters!
Trianon Starstealer	Posted - 2004.02.26 03:38:00 - [97] yeah.... woot...we got sequin first day.... mashed his cruiser...... is that good enough????
Leila Multepas	Posted - 2004.02.26 03:40:00 - [98] Quote: yeah.... woot...we got sequin first day.... mashed his cruiser...... is that good enough???? No. More like this OMFGROFLMAO taht sequin guy is so glittery and sparkly and we pulled him right off that jacket., MWOOTOOT sequins ROCK especially wen they are DEAD! ur Vexar are teh suckzors
Sequin	Posted - 2004.02.26 03:47:00 - [99] <3 ^A Raem Civre Original EVE-Trade, for your buying and selling needs. A Voogru original. [i]Redon > evol and mass have a GM helping them with everything Redon > notice how they always get ships replaced and none of us cant <--- Hurray for teamwork! b] We are evil exploiters!
Leila Multepas	Posted - 2004.02.26 03:51:00 - [100] Quote: <3 w00t !
Homo Ergaster	Posted - 2004.02.26 04:35:00 - [101] presidio is not good at eve.
Presidio	Posted - 2004.02.26 04:52:00 - [102] Quote: presidio is not good at eve. - "Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive." Mao Tse-tung
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2004.02.26 04:58:00 - [103] never accept 1v1s, no matter how good your setup, there's usually a setup that counters it perfectly, you can only outfit your ship to be the best in certain situations, hardly ever can you fit it to be best at everything also you never know when it's a trap =[ ------ ROBBLE ROBBLE
Drackus	Posted - 2004.02.26 05:56:00 - [104] OMFG, I can't believe this thread is getting this long. Look, It's simple.....regardless if anyone thinks it's fair or not. The simple fact is, WE ARE AT WAR! "All is fair in love & War." Evol, please......it was a tactic our players used to gank one of your own......I appologize that it worked. Common, this is Eve, where there are no rules, whether it's becoming a mega manufaturere becoming a billionair, a well established trader making millions or a master hunter then selling off loot. The only rules that truely exist are the rules you make yourself. As far as I'm concerned, what happened to Jakal isn't an exploit, in fact it's a very fair tactic. The only flaw I see is Jakal fell for it & lost a Battleship, sorry tough loss....get over it. I do not find anything dishonorable of this tactic, in fact I'd bet my left nut if Evol would of done it, it would of been all over the forums saying what a great job Evol did in suckering in a player 1v1 & then gang raping him. Sorry we beat you to the puch. Well played out guys......keep up the good work. "Deception is the key to Victory."
Icomeinpeace	Posted - 2004.02.26 06:36:00 - [105] Edited by: Icomeinpeace on 26/02/2004 06:38:19 So presidio cries about the fact that ev0l only fights when it's 5 vrs 1, but when a 1v1 challenge is issued,they themselves go in 5 vrs 1...So ummm i guess either way if we fight you on even terms you will just be lamers, if we have more numbers you cry.Did you wanna set up a fight with like 10 of your guys against 1 ev0l pilot?I'm sure that would float your boat eh. Either way, i doubt you guys are gona get anymore ev0l pilots for a 1v1 so i hope you guys arent gona complain next time we have numbers on you since your too weak to have an honest duel. It is just funny to go back and read the locked thread where presidio "brags", and just happens to leave out the part where they ambush a 1v1. In closing, no more whining about numbers, you guys had your chance for 1v1's but lack the skill for it so what do you expect.
Friday Dillinja	Posted - 2004.02.26 07:17:00 - [106] I'm ready for some more CA vs SA threads now. Really. ------------------------------------ retired. niwaie of Xanadu
CubePusher	Posted - 2004.02.26 08:12:00 - [107] Quote: OMFG, I can't believe this thread is getting this long. Look, It's simple.....regardless if anyone thinks it's fair or not. The simple fact is, WE ARE AT WAR! "All is fair in love & War." Evol, please......it was a tactic our players used to gank one of your own......I appologize that it worked. Common, this is Eve, where there are no rules, whether it's becoming a mega manufaturere becoming a billionair, a well established trader making millions or a master hunter then selling off loot. The only rules that truely exist are the rules you make yourself. As far as I'm concerned, what happened to Jakal isn't an exploit, in fact it's a very fair tactic. The only flaw I see is Jakal fell for it & lost a Battleship, sorry tough loss....get over it. I do not find anything dishonorable of this tactic, in fact I'd bet my left nut if Evol would of done it, it would of been all over the forums saying what a great job Evol did in suckering in a player 1v1 & then gang raping him. Sorry we beat you to the puch. Well played out guys......keep up the good work. "Deception is the key to Victory." lol, please. Jakal ask's for a 1vs1, your dude accepts and brings more people into the fight, normal reaction would be "oh well they're d!cks, we know better now", the reason this was brought up like this is because of this comment "we welcome futher combat with Evolution and will try to keep this conflict as sportmanlike as possible" and presido bragging about how uber he was. What happened was not "sportmanlike" and the overall opinion is it was the epitome of lame. Seriously how can you not find that "tactic" lame? it isnt an exploit ofc but when you offer a 1vs1 its exactly that, 1vs1, you vs the other guy to see how you fair against each other........to be honest i could go on for ages about this and i cant be bothered so all im gonna say is, if you think what happened is a perfectly legit tactic and have no problems using it then it says a lot about you. And that whole "this is eve there are no rules" bit above is to be frank, bullsh!t. You guys talk about respect and sportsmanship and what do we see? logoff traps and and crap like this would be 1vs1, not to mention the typical warp then log thing you guys all seem to have trained to lvl 5. Well congrats, all we wanted to do was have a bit of fun, now we want to destroy you. Enjoy! "You're not to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who does it or says it."
drunkenmaster	Posted - 2004.02.26 08:20:00 - [108] Quote: Ok, now the fact that I killed you once as well may have something to do with your post, but I will explain... Oh dear. Now the lies. Being in the same system as someone when they die != killing someone. I died because I was foolish enough to chase someone into sentry gun range at a gate. Whether you like it or not, Caldari state got that kill. All you managed to do was send your drones after me as I crushed your friend. That aside... At christmas, during the first world war, the British and German infantries held a short cease fire, and came out of their trenches and had a game of football. How lame would it have been if one side had bought guns, and massacred the other side? I mean, after all, it was war... Like security status, honour is very hard to gain, and very easy to lose. And you don't have the benefit of gaining 0.1 honour per day. Quote: We are at war... 90% of all ships that PA lost so far have been 5 vs 1 engagements or similar where evol ships would be ganking a single PA ship. On top of it the way the whole war started was less than honorable on the part of Evol. They backstabbed us. So what? This was supposed to be a 1v1. People say that pirates are scum, but I know that if I were to agree to a 1v1, I would be the only one turning up on my side. In an environment where people are only as good as their word, those that break theirs are worth about as much as a sack of rocks. .
Dirge	Posted - 2004.02.26 08:32:00 - [109] Hey Hasan, I'll make you famous!! Now who else ganked Jakal? Vengeance is legal in Eve.
Miso	Posted - 2004.02.26 09:01:00 - [110] One question: If there are truly no rules in war, then why the hell do people engaged in them, continually moan about each others tactics? Surely, in a rule-less conflict, anything goes? So logically, there is nothing to complain about, as all tactics are valid? So why do you always moan at each other? Do you see what I'm getting at? Anyway, back to the original topic - it was lame, but it was kinda lame to trust someone you're at war with. Integrity is great in this game, but only as long as everyone else in game has it too, and we all know thats not the case. Stay lucky -------------------------------------------- Dead
DREAMWORKS	Posted - 2004.02.26 09:05:00 - [111] Evolution done it, Stain done it, Curse has done it and i bet every alliance has its 'rotten' apple's who done it. If you see it like that... I see it else: When you enter an region claimed by an alliance, you cannot barge in and say: I 1:1 you and if you 1:4 me that is honourless. What it comes down to is that someone invades the region and there is a force that has to keep this person out, you claimed the bloody region you bear the name member of xxx alliance you better go out and protect it. Yesterday i was witness of a kestrel pilot from stain who somehow got into Curse and wanted a 1vs1, personally i wanted to blast him out of the sky since he was disrupting industrial traffic by podding indies. People started to speak about honour and respecting the 1vs1, but what honour lays in killing indies? Eventually the 1vs1 was violated by someone who wasnt aware of the 1vs1 and target jammed him before the 1vs1. Personally i cannot understand why people even agree upon these fights in a hostile or defending region, what are you thinking? If someone would ask me for a 1vs1 i would either say: #@ off or: Sure, lets meet at neutral grounds. If im defending a region, i can't wait till i can sweep the broom through the system to sweep out the dirt if ya know what im saying. __________________________ http://www.nin.com/visuals/thtf_hi.html
SirMolle	Posted - 2004.02.26 10:51:00 - [112] Name: Presidio Security Status: 0.9 Corporation: Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Ship Type: Scorpion Name: Stigit Security Status: 0.2 Corporation: Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Ship Type: Scorpion Name: Hasan Security Status: 0.4 Corporation: InfiniCorp Ship Type: Raven Name: CHASTITY TITE (laid the final blow) Security Status: 0.0 Corporation: InfiniCorp Ship Type: Moa Weapon Type: Inferno Torpedo I Name: Trader Joe Security Status: 0.0 Corporation: InfiniCorp Ship Type: Vigil ------------------ Stigit and Hasan paid the price, 2 down, 3 to go. Show your face Presidio.
Omniwar	Posted - 2004.02.26 11:10:00 - [113] Quote: Name: Presidio Security Status: 0.9 Corporation: Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Ship Type: Scorpion Name: Stigit Security Status: 0.2 Corporation: Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Ship Type: Scorpion Name: Hasan Security Status: 0.4 Corporation: InfiniCorp Ship Type: Raven Name: CHASTITY TITE (laid the final blow) Security Status: 0.0 Corporation: InfiniCorp Ship Type: Moa Weapon Type: Inferno Torpedo I Name: Trader Joe Security Status: 0.0 Corporation: InfiniCorp Ship Type: Vigil ------------------ Stigit and Hasan paid the price, 2 down, 3 to go. Show your face Presidio. Me thinks it wont stop until Presidio gives Jakal a new ship and makes a public appoligy *Spawn of the Devil*
ElCoCo	Posted - 2004.02.26 11:26:00 - [114] Can we stop this already? Not saying that what Presidio did was wrong or not, you surely can`t judge an entire corp/alliance/group from individual actions. I`m sure SOME from your corp MIGHT have done the same thing and it might have been the PA now b!tching about it. Let`s all hold hands and dance around a campfire
SirMolle	Posted - 2004.02.26 11:35:00 - [115] Quote: Can we stop this already? In so many words; No. It will stop when Presidio has been killed repeatedly for a month or so. Reap what you sow.
Deathwing	Posted - 2004.02.26 11:38:00 - [116] Quote: Lol I just killed Jackal in his Tempest, I don't have a MWD on, so just keep on assuming, you are wrong, but hey what else is new Quote: I never bragged about that kill LOL @ "I Just Killed Jackal in his Tempest" yes k thx good for you silly boi. pls tell us all some more silly lies, call your buddies up and have them tell us to pls, thx Quote: It is pointless to debate about it Yes talking to simpletons is usually pointless isnÆt it Quote: I don't expect you to have constructive and well thought out posts, you're the mighty Evol, the forum warriors ! Son my philosophical debating abilities far outweigh yours in every sense, go home and read a book or two Stigit and Hasan have paid their price for this foolishness time for you to come dance sweet heart my statement statement stands Quote: anytime anywhere presidio you an me <Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS
KIAEddZ	Posted - 2004.02.26 11:43:00 - [117] Cant be assed to read this thread. If its true, its a disgraceful act, and I am ashamed to be associated with these people. If its bullshi.t then waste of 8 pages of this forums database space. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=176347 www.kia-corp.co.uk/killboard CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we i
Lianhaun	Posted - 2004.02.26 11:44:00 - [118] philosophical debating bring it on This is not a hijack
Iluyen	Posted - 2004.02.26 11:48:00 - [119] "Son my philosophical debating abilities far outweigh yours in every sense, go home and read a book or two" Good old EVOL, always blowing their own horn:). Btw for a corp that prides itself on its "terrorist tactics" I'm kinda surprised you have a problem with what happened. Or are you saying terrorists are honerable? I'm just kidding, I've always known you were a bunch of hypocrits.
Deathwing	Posted - 2004.02.26 11:50:00 - [120] Iluyen you to anytime anywhere you and me <Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS
Tyrrax Thorrk	Posted - 2004.02.26 11:50:00 - [121] Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 26/02/2004 12:02:34 Quote: LOL, I think Tyraxx is a little upset because: A. He was kicked out of Oberon a long time ago. AND/OR B. He respectfully asked for mining access to Venal 2 weeks ago and was denied. Correction, it's Tyrrax, and it was NPC hunting access. And I quit voluntarily so I could go to war with RaiD Enterprises, Hellooooo could you have possibly gotten your post any more wrong ? http://eve.klaki.net/
Absurd	Posted - 2004.02.26 11:58:00 - [122] Quote: Iluyen you to anytime anywhere you and me Sex
Absurd	Posted - 2004.02.26 11:59:00 - [123] Quote: Cant be assed to read this thread. If its true, its a disgraceful act, and I am ashamed to be associated with these people. If its bullshi.t then waste of 8 pages of this forums database space. If you bother reading the thread you will see its admitted and no fals claim by evol
Macumba	Posted - 2004.02.26 12:05:00 - [124] I can't believe people are even suggesting that theres honour in a computer game. "PVP = griefing" Papa Smurf
Iluyen	Posted - 2004.02.26 12:10:00 - [125] Quote: Iluyen you to anytime anywhere you and me What'd the matter your uber debating skills failing on you?
Presidio	Posted - 2004.02.26 12:15:00 - [126] Quote: Quote: Cant be assed to read this thread. If its true, its a disgraceful act, and I am ashamed to be associated with these people. If its bullshi.t then waste of 8 pages of this forums database space. If you bother reading the thread you will see its admitted and no fals claim by evol No false claim? Evol says they don't use log on trap... LIE Evol says they haven't done this to us... LIE Evol says PA is dead... LIE I posted the chat log where I never agreed to 1vs1, the war involves deception, that's how you score kills, I will use deception everytime against those I am in war with. And evol will continue to fight the forum war. I am prepared to die in a fleet battle since I am almost certain that from now on I will be the prime target, but that's if evol ever get's enough courage to attack our fleet. - "Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive." Mao Tse-tung
Genghis Kahn	Posted - 2004.02.26 12:20:00 - [127] Quote: Evol says they don't use log on trap... LIE Hey mr. P... If you keep saying it it won't become the truth... We jump in from different systems, we don't login...
Homo Ergaster	Posted - 2004.02.26 12:25:00 - [128] Edited by: Homo Ergaster on 26/02/2004 12:27:26 Iluyen, your obsession with Evolution is flattering. I regret to inform you that you will not be granted membership. and on; Show me someplace where Evolution has said we pride ourselves on using terrorist tactics. Then, show me how using hit and run tactics, and intelligent fleet combat, makes you a terrorist. Your unending ability to put together 1 and 1 and come up with a double digit answer is cute. Furthermore, your thirst to come lick us on the forums whenever you get the remote chance, is a testament to how pillaged you were when we were active in Curse. Now, I'm sure you will be far too busy role playing a 13 year old and posting before thinking, but I seriously ask you to prove what you state. You, like many children on internet forums, say things that hold no water, and think that it is the people who you direct your adoration to disprove the lies you spew. Presidio: Evolution does not do log off traps. You are wrong. You are a liar. You are not good at eve. Your alliance is dead. I own your entire family. oops. someone is crying irl. awww. cute lil iluyen. awww.
Absurd	Posted - 2004.02.26 12:26:00 - [129] Quote: Quote: Quote: Cant be assed to read this thread. If its true, its a disgraceful act, and I am ashamed to be associated with these people. If its bullshi.t then waste of 8 pages of this forums database space. If you bother reading the thread you will see its admitted and no fals claim by evol No false claim? Evol says they don't use log on trap... LIE Evol says they haven't done this to us... LIE Evol says PA is dead... LIE This thread isnt about that, want to discuss it make a thread. Quote: I posted the chat log where I never agreed to 1vs1, the war involves deception, that's how you score kills, I will use deception everytime against those I am in war with. And evol will continue to fight the forum war. I am prepared to die in a fleet battle since I am almost certain that from now on I will be the prime target, but that's if evol ever get's enough courage to attack our fleet. So if a single Corp isnt willing to storm in to an alliance fleet they cowards ? IMO it takes a pair to attack them at all but its just stupid to fight the main force since PA has at least 10 times the numbers, and it might be a log on trap and all of a sudden 20 evol fighting 30 PA will be surrounded by 60 PA, after all some members of PA are known for cheating[1on1¦s], backstabbing[Ragnar, Jade) and exploiting(log on traps wich have been admitted on the forums). So you say you will use deception everytime so its fair to assume that log on traps will be used again, no ?
Jim Bond	Posted - 2004.02.26 12:29:00 - [130] Edited by: Jim Bond on 26/02/2004 12:33:24 Quote: Edited by: Presidio on 26/02/2004 00:30:01 Ok now here is my story: 1.) I scored couple of 620 dmg hits on Jackal prior to our little engagement against Jackal at 82KM away, so yes I had the long range setup on. Also my setup was more of a fleet support setup, than a 1vs1 PvP setup, I mean do you seriously think I would PvP someone in a scorpion without any ECM ? lol A scorp has no chance against a tempest without any ECM, the fact is: Tempest can have more stamina and more firepower, I know this since Tempest is my primary ship. 2.) When you warp to a gang member you can't choose the distance you are warping in at, so when you warp in you will be closer than 15KM to the target, in this case short range setup works the best. Which is exacly what Jackal had on, I beleive he used 800mms or Autocannons, they were not the 1400mms for sure. So yes it was a trap. 3.) Most important is to pay close attention to the chat log: We never agreed on 1vs1, he asked for trouble, did I lie? I said I was going to fight him... which did not mean I Was going to be alone. Is it my faut someone is stupid and how does that make this kill less honorable than any other kill. ------------------------------------------------------------ Channelname: Local Listener: Presidio Session started: 2004.02.25 02:33:39 ------------------------------------------------------------ [ 2004.02.25 02:58:15 ] Jakal > anyone want to fight? [ 2004.02.25 03:02:39 ] Jakal > wow brave PA [ 2004.02.25 03:04:36 ] Jakal > i said any-one not every body [ 2004.02.25 03:04:44 ] Eversor > wow brave Jackal [ 2004.02.25 03:04:59 ] Jakal > im here by my self [ 2004.02.25 03:05:41 ] Jakal > the 7 evol members online atm are in venal not branch [ 2004.02.25 03:09:12 ] Jakal > 2004.02.25 03:08:43combatPresidio [GODS] strikes you perfectly, wrecking for 629.0 damage. Presidio [GODS] strikes you perfectly, wrecking for 629.0 damage. [ 2004.02.25 03:09:17 ] Jakal > nice [ 2004.02.25 03:09:27 ] Presidio > 82KM :P [ 2004.02.25 03:10:50 ] Jakal > yea like is said any 1 want to fight? [ 2004.02.25 03:12:45 ] Jakal > if 1 of you is brave enough to fight me, let me know and ill send you a gang invite [ 2004.02.25 03:13:00 ] Presidio > sure I will fight ya [ 2004.02.25 03:20:29 ] Jakal > and the PA says we always run 1. I don't know of any fleet support setup on a scorp apart from ecm, except maybe sensor dampners. 2. If you knew it would be around a 15k fight why fight with long range gear on, unless u all agreed to warp in and gank him prior to starting the fight 3. he plainly says Anyone wanna fight, not Presido wanna fight, so he was not necessarily challenging you or a scorpion and was not necessarily set up to fight a scorpion. Quote: Quote: so what do we think the next name of the PA will be ? You should be concerned with where you should start mining next We have proved that we go where we want and mine where we want, by mining in Venal and Branch Quote: Evol are pretty much contained in that system, and we wouldn't mind attacking all the time, but unfortunately game mechanics are holding us back, it's the same for both sides. It's making the whole affair very tiresome. We could go sit 70 ships in BKG within half an hour, but what's the point? Noone's going to bother attacking, and you just sit there bored for a bit longer. The only way to control a system at the moment is plant enough ships in there 24/7 so the other side can't attack due to lag problems which quite frankly is boring as hell. When a corporation the size of evol has their entire corp in one place all the time the only way to disrupt them is by brute force. Brute force = lots of ships = lag / bang / die. 1. Evol arnt confined anywhere, let alone BKG. 2. The Full force of Evol aint in Venal, as some PA members can confirm who was in Kadur Prime the other day, the same as the Full Force of PA arnt in Venal. The bottom line is this is a *** tactic whoever you are, whether you are PA, CA, SA or Evolution and you guys should be ashamed of yourself.
Iluyen	Posted - 2004.02.26 12:32:00 - [131] Presidio: Evolution does not do log off traps. You are wrong. You are a liar. You are not good at eve. Your alliance is dead. I own your entire family. oops. someone is crying irl. awww. cute lil iluyen. awww. You were saying about roleplaying a 13 year old? I went into the proof thing in another thread, try and get what I said about it through your thick skull.
Absurd	Posted - 2004.02.26 12:37:00 - [132] Quote: *Presidio writes* I posted the chat log where I never agreed to 1vs1. And here is his chat log Quote: ------------------------------------------------------------ Channelname: Local Listener: Presidio Session started: 2004.02.25 02:33:39 ------------------------------------------------------------ [ 2004.02.25 02:58:15 ] Jakal > anyone want to fight? [ 2004.02.25 03:02:39 ] Jakal > wow brave PA [ 2004.02.25 03:04:36 ] Jakal > i said any-one not every body [ 2004.02.25 03:04:44 ] Eversor > wow brave Jackal [ 2004.02.25 03:04:59 ] Jakal > im here by my self [ 2004.02.25 03:05:41 ] Jakal > the 7 evol members online atm are in venal not branch [ 2004.02.25 03:09:12 ] Jakal > 2004.02.25 03:08:43combatPresidio [GODS] strikes you perfectly, wrecking for 629.0 damage. Presidio [GODS] strikes you perfectly, wrecking for 629.0 damage. [ 2004.02.25 03:09:17 ] Jakal > nice [ 2004.02.25 03:09:27 ] Presidio > 82KM :P [ 2004.02.25 03:10:50 ] Jakal > yea like is said any 1 want to fight? [ 2004.02.25 03:12:45 ] Jakal > if 1 of you is brave enough to fight me, let me know and ill send you a gang invite [ 2004.02.25 03:13:00 ] Presidio > sure I will fight ya [ 2004.02.25 03:20:29 ] Jakal > and the PA says we always run Lokk at the bold line in the chat log. How is this not agreement for a fight
Homo Ergaster	Posted - 2004.02.26 12:38:00 - [133] I can tell how much effort you have put into your love for Evolution Iluyn by 2 things: Your ultra quick response. Your poorly edited response. Your failure to back your mouth. Your choosing to fail in backing your mouth, over backing your mouth. I mean, you could simply followthrough with your statements with something solid(if your statements were true), but for some reason, you choose not to. Are you sure you are up to debating here? Weren't you recently saying something about DW failing to debate you? Well here I am kiddo. All I am asking you to do is back your mouth. Apparently, this is far too much to ask. cute lil votf panda.
Absurd	Posted - 2004.02.26 12:39:00 - [134] Quote: [ 2004.02.25 03:12:45 ] Jakal > if 1 of you is brave enough to fight me, let me know and ill send you a gang invite Seems no one was brave enough after all
Absurd	Posted - 2004.02.26 12:40:00 - [135] Homo I¦ll go in a debate with you. Drugs are good because I say so.
sutty	Posted - 2004.02.26 12:40:00 - [136] Edited by: sutty on 26/02/2004 12:41:43 I dont understand your problem. Just because the CA like the PA cant handle us you branded us cheats because you cant understand how we beat you all the time. the fact is:- We have never and never will use a log on trap if traveling into the next system baiting you with a couple of ships to attack then jumping back in before the map refreshes is a log on exploit then...
Iluyen	Posted - 2004.02.26 12:44:00 - [137] Quote: I can tell how much effort you have put into your love for Evolution Iluyn by 2 things: Your ultra quick response. Your poorly edited response. Your failure to back your mouth. Your choosing to fail in backing your mouth, over backing your mouth. I mean, you could simply followthrough with your statements with something solid(if your statements were true), but for some reason, you choose not to. Are you sure you are up to debating here? Weren't you recently saying something about DW failing to debate you? Well here I am kiddo. All I am asking you to do is back your mouth. Apparently, this is far too much to ask. cute lil votf panda. All, you prove here is that you keep ignoring what I wrote on EVOLS pathetic use of we want "proof" where you decide what is "proof" and hide behind the fact that CCP is unable to do anything against most exploits. Btw all my quick responses proves is that I'm bored at work and the editing is bad because I'm lazy.
sutty	Posted - 2004.02.26 12:54:00 - [138] was you born stupid. We asked for proof of us doing somthing you accused us of . you didn't supply it and CCP said we wasn't doing anything. anyhow I think this discussion should stop and get back on topic, and stop hijacking threads you have no buisness here go play with your bucket and spade.
Homo Ergaster	Posted - 2004.02.26 12:56:00 - [139] Iluyen, I don't think you know the first thing about proof. Evolution doesn't use the retarded log off trap, and you saying we do, is not proof. Please cease sucking @ debate. I gave you a chance and you tripped on yourself.
EveJunkie	Posted - 2004.02.26 12:58:00 - [140] Threads like this really used to get on my nerves but I'm starting to get used to it. We turn up, fight a good clean battle and then before too long our opponents start trying to demonise us into some sort of cheating exploiting nasty people just to justify thier losses and cover their anger at loosing ships. Every time we fight anyone we end up with threads like this and frankly its getting rather old. We were quietly hoping that the PA wouldn't be like the CA and start crying exploit! as soon as we started killing their ships but sadly we were mistaken. I know nothing is going to convince you of the fact that we have a sense of honour and exploiting goes totally against the Evolution team mind set so believe what you want. we know the truth and we don't need to waste time trying to dispel your fantasy.
Maiwenn LeBesc0	Posted - 2004.02.26 13:18:00 - [141] Thread of the year! Evolution made me TOO LAZY to change my sig.
Homo Ergaster	Posted - 2004.02.26 13:21:00 - [142] nice sig.
Maiwenn LeBesc0	Posted - 2004.02.26 13:23:00 - [143] f off newbie. Evolution made me TOO LAZY to change my sig.
Genghis Kahn	Posted - 2004.02.26 13:25:00 - [144] Sorry guys, but my sig rules...
Iluyen	Posted - 2004.02.26 13:38:00 - [145] Sutty, go back to the thread and read what the GM wrote, they did not say you weren't doing anything wrong and you know it. You hide behind the fact that CCP's logs are highly inadequate to catch exploiters then ask players who have a lot less data to give logs as "proof" of what CCP claims it cannot verify. Thats not even counting that players shouldnt be wasting their time with getting logs/taking screenshots for a bunch of lamers like you to start with. I've seen you use exploits/lame tactics plenty of times. As for EVOLS "you are wrong and I am right nanana" debating style, I'm not impressed.
Homo Ergaster	Posted - 2004.02.26 13:43:00 - [146] hey iluyen. you hide behind the fact that you're wrong. hey, i win.
sutty	Posted - 2004.02.26 13:43:00 - [147] look here is the bottom line. prove it. everything you say is like a fairytale, based on myths, and your own opinion which quite frankly count for nothing as all you are is a troll. We do not cheat we do nothing that is boarding cheating all we do is blow stuff up better then others. Its not our fault that you people cant see that blob wars are useless and that when we do meet in even numbers your lack of communication causes you to lose ships. therefor you cant win, and think we cheat. But as EJ said there is no way to convince your trolling brain otherwise. So we will leave it at that. You belive what you want just keep it to yourself, and get out of our thread.
sutty	Posted - 2004.02.26 13:51:00 - [148] Edited by: sutty on 26/02/2004 13:57:50 oh and if you seen us cheat many of times why didn't you take screenshots or save the logs. I seem to remember you lot saying homo hacked your TS, we asked for proof you didn't supply any. I remember you saying that we turned off moduels in game and you had solid proof. but you didn't supply any. I remember you saying we used the missile thing just before castor and you had solid proof. But you didn't supply any I remember you saying we crashed your clients and you had solid proof. But you didn't supply any. I remember you saying we did log on traps and you had solid proof. But you didn't supply any. you see the pattern here, your a troll and all your out to do is tarnish our name because you couldn't handle the fact we beat the CA into the ground twice. You have no proof or a leg to stand on, your just a stupid troll with a big mouth.
Iluyen	Posted - 2004.02.26 14:08:00 - [149] Quote: oh and if you seen us cheat many of times why didn't you take screenshots or save the logs. I seem to remember you lot saying homo hacked your TS, we asked for proof you didn't supply any. I remember you saying that we turned off moduels in game and you had solid proof. but you didn't supply any. I remember you saying we used the missile thing just before castor and you had solid proof. But you didn't supply any I remember you saying we crashed your clients and you had solid proof. But you didn't supply any. you see the pattern here, your a troll and all your out to do is tarnish our name because you couldn't handle the fact we beat the CA into the ground twice. You have no proof or a leg to stand on your just a stupid troll with a big mouth. Seems you're memory isn't all that good. First of all I never claimed having "solid proof" about anything. Don't put words in my mouth I never used. You add some things I never claimed, then twist some things I did claim into something similar but not quite, you are just a phathologial liar. It's nice to see how you ignore any points I make about the proof thing and keep asking "proof" till your blue in the face though. BTw the only place you beat CA into to ground is your own mind, waiting in a safespot till people get bored is not beating them into the ground. Btw the only reason you don't like big blob fights is that you got your ass handed to you got your ass handed to you in virtually every one of them.
sutty	Posted - 2004.02.26 14:11:00 - [150] no you and your alliance claimed all them things. and we asked for proof and you never give any.
Homo Ergaster	Posted - 2004.02.26 14:28:00 - [151] when someone is lying, as you clearly are, do you actually know that you're lying? or do you really believe it?
Iluyen	Posted - 2004.02.26 14:30:00 - [152] Quote: no you and your alliance claimed all them things. and we asked for proof and you never give any. I am not my alliance. Why don't you show me some proof of me claiming having "solid proof" about anything. I know you use log on traps, log off exploits, cancel warp exploits and loads of lame tactics. And if several peoples game crashes in an identical fashion that I have never seen or heard of anywhere else before or after fighting evol just before castor (seems that trick doesn't work anymore), then I can connect the dots. Knowing something and "having proof" is not the same thing btw. But you don't have to worry if you really don't do anything I claim. People can make up their own minds and will know I'm just making up stuff and that your really honorable courageous freedom fighters.
Homo Ergaster	Posted - 2004.02.26 14:39:00 - [153] iluyen. as i write this, ppl all over the world are laughing at your obsession with evol and your cries of evol exploiting. why don't you just grow some manhood and admit that you're sore because you were dismantled. crying on the forums for all eternity just makes you look like a baby, even if the lies you spew were true(thank god they are just the make believe excuses of a weak player).
Iluyen	Posted - 2004.02.26 14:53:00 - [154]
Maiwenn LeBesc0	Posted - 2004.02.26 14:57:00 - [155] Edited by: Maiwenn LeBesc0 on 26/02/2004 14:58:37 I had a pic about here somewhere for this kinda thing.. ah yeap.. here tis. Did you do your school project on Evol too Iluyen? Made our corp symbol out of putty dough in Art class? A scale model of Shrike's apoc in legos maybe? Im thinkin about making a special Iluyen animation to return the favor for all the devotion over the years. Its quite flattering to have someone so obsessively stalking you - I dunno what Jodie Foster was complaining about.
Stavros	Posted - 2004.02.26 15:07:00 - [156] I like the evol guys sigs but I think sutty needs one that says 'TOWNIE' :D maiwins (sorry for ***e spelling) is best, something about the avatar just makes me want to beat myself with a trout... -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"*
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.02.26 15:12:00 - [157] Okay I'd like to say here how I really disapprove of people spamming threads with off-topic ranting. I have noticed that in recent weeks practically every PA thread eventually gets locked for flaming because an awful lot of people arrive and start getting abusive and nasty, or simply trying to drag up old feuds and various apparently unsubstaniated accusations and assorted nonsense. This begins to look manipulative and pre-meditated to me. Players have every right and ability to create their own threads and thereby set the direction and "on topic" relevence, so why o why, make a habit of hijacking other threads with material and comment designed purely to eventually turn the discussion into flame bait? Why do I care? Because when I post I try to bring a bit of thought and challenging debate to the table. And its therefore quite frustrating to see the points I make in these threads continually consigned to the dustbin because other people only interested in wrecking the thread direction mail bomb the discussion with b-itchy flame bait. For Example ... the old PA whatever thread. Where I tried to address the issue of identity and ideology in Alliances being every bit as important as territorial claims and holds. I was enjoying the debate. But lo and behold it turned into a flame pit and had therefore to be locked. I certainly don't blame the mods in anyway whatsoever, they are doing a fine job with these kind of threads. But I do think players should have the courage and fortitude to address alternative and contradicting opinions with civilised standards of debate and avoid the use of simple abuse and nonsense aimed purely and obviously at ending discussion for everyone. This current thread is another example, SirMolle talks about an incident that has changed the understanding and approach to the war. PA come back with an accusation that EVO are "backstabbers" and "traitors". I come back with my understanding that it is PA that are the backstabbers for political reasons. All fine and on topic. Then we have these chaps with the exploits, and cheating and whatever whatever blah blah blah stuff, that we have all seen in so many threads before. Its not relevent to the central issue being discussed here, and eventually it will get this thread locked like the last one. Perhaps that is what some people want? But frankly I don't think the principles in these IC debates should have the ability to determine when and how the debate ends. /soapbox Thanks for listening. Love and peace JF Public Forum
drunkenmaster	Posted - 2004.02.26 15:57:00 - [158] Back on subject: Does anyone reckon the recent mass exodus of decent corps from the PA was related to this? Or is it just a big, BIG coincidence? I think Cult will be next, then maybe rona-kia. .
sutty	Posted - 2004.02.26 15:59:00 - [159] no idea, but the blades who preformed the log on trap, 3 of them died this morning.
Darwin	Posted - 2004.02.26 16:16:00 - [160] Quote: there are no rules in war True... But that is still lame. No Honer
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.02.26 16:16:00 - [161] I can't see Rona/KIA, Oberon, or CDI ever leaving the PA drunkenmaster, they are the architects of the present form of the Venal Alliance. When everything else is stripped away and scattered to the dust you will see those three corporations clinging onto power in the north. Halseth has too much ambition and drive for empire to admit defeat and I suspect we will see him do a Ragnar in a safespot apocalypse-based speech to the troops bidding them "do their best and die with honour" while he goes for a holiday and hopes for the best. If you take a look at the PA member list you will see that RONA occupy 3 of 19 voting positions with their various identies, and have pretty much sewed up a large proportion of the active political direction in their own right. So, if playing the "spot the next corps to leave" game, I'd say you need to look at those corps that are not core actors in the PA politbureau, and are not key afk ark miners by preference. There are about half a dozen corps in the PA list that already effectively out ... (either undeclared or down to a handful of actives) but they aren't that relevent to the overall battle. The war won't end until (and if) Oberon/Rona/CDI can be crushed. Those 3 corps provide the massive majority of economic power and numbers. And almost the entirety of political will and direction. JF Public Forum
Dirge	Posted - 2004.02.26 18:17:00 - [162] To whom it may concern, I'd like to refer you to this thread : http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=62303 Have a Nice Day
Halseth Durn	Posted - 2004.02.26 18:28:00 - [163] Quote: I can't see Rona/KIA, Oberon, or CDI ever leaving the PA drunkenmaster, they are the architects of the present form of the Venal Alliance. When everything else is stripped away and scattered to the dust you will see those three corporations clinging onto power in the north. Halseth has too much ambition and drive for empire to admit defeat and I suspect we will see him do a Ragnar in a safespot apocalypse-based speech to the troops bidding them "do their best and die with honour" while he goes for a holiday and hopes for the best. If you take a look at the PA member list you will see that RONA occupy 3 of 19 voting positions with their various identies, and have pretty much sewed up a large proportion of the active political direction in their own right. So, if playing the "spot the next corps to leave" game, I'd say you need to look at those corps that are not core actors in the PA politbureau, and are not key afk ark miners by preference. There are about half a dozen corps in the PA list that already effectively out ... (either undeclared or down to a handful of actives) but they aren't that relevent to the overall battle. The war won't end until (and if) Oberon/Rona/CDI can be crushed. Those 3 corps provide the massive majority of economic power and numbers. And almost the entirety of political will and direction. Looks like Jade found her new TTi. Expect months of 3 page essays on the subject of how the "evil villans of the PA persecuted her righteous self into submission". She once told me that she would lie cheat and steal to turn me into her next Ragnar. I dont have any eloquent words of persuasion, but do your self a favor and DO NOT believe this liar. 80% of the above post are blatant lies and the other 20% is stretching/twisting of the truth to fit her "plight". Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS
CubePusher	Posted - 2004.02.26 18:35:00 - [164] Quote: To whom it may concern, I'd like to refer you to this thread : http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=62303 Have a Nice Day lmao, they be screwed.
M Hoshi	Posted - 2004.02.26 18:38:00 - [165] Quote: Looks like Jade found her new TTi. Expect months of 3 page essays on the subject of how the "evil villans of the PA persecuted her righteous self into submission". She once told me that she would lie cheat and steal to turn me into her next Ragnar. I dont have any eloquent words of persuasion, but do your self a favor and DO NOT believe this liar. 80% of the above post are blatant lies and the other 20% is stretching/twisting of the truth to fit her "plight". Sadly Sir, I would think that as it stands, the reputation of PA, and thus directly yours as spokesperson/founder is at no level to be able to expect people to believe anything you say/demand. Respect is something you have to earn, not aqquire through political manipulation and PR stunts - And yes i respect Jade for staying true to themselves, yes she spins things, but the truth is always buried within available to those who seek it. Your alliance is failing. Your own members admit this to us. Corporations are leaving. Others are resorting to tactics that have just been classified as an exploit by CCP. We are told the majority of our kills are against your non-pvp personel. How much longer will you let this continue? Are they all your sacrificial lambs? Does anyone else think theirs something wrong with the Venal region, I mean - perhaps the ore is tainted? -- "We can smell the sea"
Halseth Durn	Posted - 2004.02.26 19:14:00 - [166] Edited by: Halseth Durn on 26/02/2004 19:19:22 Who am I to stand up against the PR blitz of the Evol/Jade alliance? Puting a target on one person is a great way to drive a wedge into any union. Good job on that one. I wish someone had told me when I became sole leader and driving force of the PA. Hell, a gold watch or something would have been nice. Im just the guy who got elected to tell JF to hit the road. But Jade says its true so it must be. Also, If we are all going to say Halseth = PA, then I am changing the name to the "Hals alliance". Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.02.26 20:04:00 - [167] [Halseth bleated] Quote: Looks like Jade found her new TTi. Expect months of 3 page essays on the subject of how the "evil villans of the PA persecuted her righteous self into submission". She once told me that she would lie cheat and steal to turn me into her next Ragnar. I dont have any eloquent words of persuasion, but do your self a favor and DO NOT believe this liar. 80% of the above post are blatant lies and the other 20% is stretching/twisting of the truth to fit her "plight". IÆm afraid I need to disappoint your delusions again monsieur Halseth, you simply arenÆt charismatic enough to be the next Ragnar, and nor is Oberon likely to stand as long in adversity and universal hatred as old TTi did. Whereas Ragnar performed his most nefarious deeds in a dramatic frisson of wounded angst and deadly hubris on the bonfire of his vast arrogance and enduring vanity à you simply acted the snake from petty motive and small minded lack of vision. I imagine you are going to provide evidence of my saying I would ôstealö to turn you into the next Ragnar, Halseth, seeing as how you claim to be whiter than white that shouldnÆt be much of a problem for you. And of course the problem you have with credibility mÆdear is that you actually do tell lies, you break faith, you misrepresent history, you ignore past agreements, you revoke debts of honour and you act like cheat con-man. Hence for your lips to name me ôliarö is to convince the general viewing public that my cause is just and yours, well, to coin a term from mid-air is à venal. I also donÆt quite get this ôplightö we are supposed to have suffered Halseth? We left Venal without any material loss and have had an enjoyable couple of months recruiting like-minded idealists and some of the best pilots and personalities in the Eve Star cluster. It doesnÆt exactly feel like a ôplightö. The only reason I became involved in this thread was because the PA people were telling lies about the ôbetrayalö they alleged Evolution had committed. It was rank hypocrisy and I really wonÆt stand for it. Quote: Who am I to stand up against the PR blitz of the Evol/Jade alliance? Puting a target on one person is a great way to drive a wedge into any union. Good job on that one. Amusing that went FE elected me the target for such a think you werenÆt quite so analytical and wised-up to the concept, non? Quote: I wish someone had told me when I became sole leader and driving force of the PA. Hell, a gold watch or something would have been nice. Im just the guy who got elected to tell JF to hit the road. But Jade says its true so it must be. Well, considerably truer than what passes for verbiage from your lips sweetheart. Love and peace JF Public Forum
KIAInkZ	Posted - 2004.02.26 20:15:00 - [168] Quote: Quote: Looks like Jade found her new TTi. Expect months of 3 page essays on the subject of how the "evil villans of the PA persecuted her righteous self into submission". She once told me that she would lie cheat and steal to turn me into her next Ragnar. I dont have any eloquent words of persuasion, but do your self a favor and DO NOT believe this liar. 80% of the above post are blatant lies and the other 20% is stretching/twisting of the truth to fit her "plight". Sadly Sir, I would think that as it stands, the reputation of PA, and thus directly yours as spokesperson/founder is at no level to be able to expect people to believe anything you say/demand. Respect is something you have to earn, not aqquire through political manipulation and PR stunts - And yes i respect Jade for staying true to themselves, yes she spins things, but the truth is always buried within available to those who seek it. Your alliance is failing. Your own members admit this to us. Corporations are leaving. Others are resorting to tactics that have just been classified as an exploit by CCP. We are told the majority of our kills are against your non-pvp personel. How much longer will you let this continue? Are they all your sacrificial lambs? Does anyone else think theirs something wrong with the Venal region, I mean - perhaps the ore is tainted? All I see is evolution trying to drive a wedge between allience corps and it won't work. Celest and DSIN have left because they are in it for kicks and don't want to camp stations 24/7 it's really as simple as that. I'd be concerning yourself more with how powerful curse are getting whilst you're up here. --- Forums/Killboard - http://www.kia-corp.co.uk
sutty	Posted - 2004.02.26 20:22:00 - [169] and rona are in it for long term. All i see you guys doing is logged off or trapped in the station.
M Hoshi	Posted - 2004.02.26 20:24:00 - [170] Quote: All I see is evolution trying to drive a wedge between allience corps and it won't work. Driving a wedge? mmmm - Must be a hot phrase on the PA internal forums, needing to gather support internally are we? It is clearly obvious to anyone, except perhaps your self that your alliance is crumbling around you. Those who stay, will only suffer more and more humiliation. I did respect you guys, but if you are persistant on this riding a rambling train of death, eventually i'll run out of sympathy. Quote: Celest and DSIN have left because they are in it for kicks and don't want to camp stations 24/7 it's really as simple as that. Celest and DSIN left because they didn't enjoy the alliance anymore, and no thats not my quote - it comes from them on these very forums - wonder why that is? To me, they've seen sense, and are getting out before any more damage is done. I commend both corporations and now respect them a great lot more. Camping stations? Really - Do you want another lesson from evolution on military tactics? Is it any wonder you are doing so badly if you believe camping places is going to win you this war? Quote: I'd be concerning yourself more with how powerful curse are getting whilst you're up here. Curse are of no concern of mine, just as the numerous other entities we have had wars against - my focus lies soley on PA. You had the chance to settle this, your council declined - now reap the rewards. -- "We can smell the sea"
KIAInkZ	Posted - 2004.02.26 20:31:00 - [171] You are so full of it. See you on the field.... --- Forums/Killboard - http://www.kia-corp.co.uk
sutty	Posted - 2004.02.26 20:35:00 - [172] "see you on the field" - yeah I can dock and join you if you want.
M Hoshi	Posted - 2004.02.26 20:40:00 - [173] Quote: You are so full of it. See you on the field.... Congratulations on a well thought out response - i won't go even into your immense abilities at discussion, online with your pvp perhaps? -- "We can smell the sea"
Panzer	Posted - 2004.02.26 21:15:00 - [174] Wow presidio you make much more sense on the boards then you do spamming useless stuff in local.
Masi	Posted - 2004.02.26 21:39:00 - [175] Right, EVOL. Just go open a can of wh000p nublar ass on them and kill them. 2 corps i fear in Eve, and only 2 EVOL + m0o. Theres only 1 simple reason why the own, not saying thou :p. Anyway, Killer Clowns will............... Kill u or summit End your post! -------------------------
Nootami	Posted - 2004.02.26 22:06:00 - [176] Quote: Wow presidio you make much more sense on the boards then you do spamming useless stuff in local. Homo makes more sense on the boards than he does spamming useless stuff in local, too. Originally by: Cortex Reaver [22:39:59] [Oi]Nootami1 joined channel [22:40:02] [Oi]Nootami1 quit Oh,look! Someone joined for a whopping .3 seconds! -CR
Maiwenn LeBesc0	Posted - 2004.02.26 22:25:00 - [177] Quote: All I see is evolution trying to drive a wedge between allience corps and it won't work. Celest and DSIN have left because they are in it for kicks and don't want to camp stations 24/7 it's really as simple as that. I'd be concerning yourself more with how powerful curse are getting whilst you're up here. You dont get it do you? What do we care about how powerful Curse get? You're the ones who are trying to protect an entire region which will soon be the gateway into Jove space. You're the one's who are refusing cease fire agreements whilst your best PvP corps are leaving. You're the ones losing all the ships. Worry about yourself, sir. Evolution made me TOO LAZY to change my sig.
Skillz	Posted - 2004.02.27 01:06:00 - [178] PERHAPS SOMEONE HEARD THAT CAP IS THE KEY TO PVP AND THEREFORE THE MORE CAPS YOU GET ON YOUR SIDE, THE MORE POWERFOOOOL j00 GET. Keep on flaming, lamers.
Artegg	Posted - 2004.02.27 01:32:00 - [179] Quote: I can't see Rona/KIA, Oberon, or CDI ever leaving the PA drunkenmaster, they are the architects of the present form of the Venal Alliance. When everything else is stripped away and scattered to the dust you will see those three corporations clinging onto power in the north. Halseth has too much ambition and drive for empire to admit defeat and I suspect we will see him do a Ragnar in a safespot apocalypse-based speech to the troops bidding them "do their best and die with honour" while he goes for a holiday and hopes for the best. If you take a look at the PA member list you will see that RONA occupy 3 of 19 voting positions with their various identies, and have pretty much sewed up a large proportion of the active political direction in their own right. So, if playing the "spot the next corps to leave" game, I'd say you need to look at those corps that are not core actors in the PA politbureau, and are not key afk ark miners by preference. There are about half a dozen corps in the PA list that already effectively out ... (either undeclared or down to a handful of actives) but they aren't that relevent to the overall battle. The war won't end until (and if) Oberon/Rona/CDI can be crushed. Those 3 corps provide the massive majority of economic power and numbers. And almost the entirety of political will and direction. Jade last time i looked you where not in RONA so please do not comment on the future of RONA and what we plan to do when you clearly do not have a clue
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.02.27 02:06:00 - [180] Don't be so silly Artegg! Politics happens in the public eye and we are all bound to be talked about. Do grow up old chap ... backstabbers should learn to be less sensitive ;) Love and peace JF Public Forum
Halseth Durn	Posted - 2004.02.27 02:17:00 - [181] Backstabbers? Dude, you got dumped on account of your grating personality. There is a big difference. Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS
Capn Blood	Posted - 2004.02.27 03:46:00 - [182] Ummm Grating personality is cause for ejection??? Damn bad idea. Sheeesh gunna be a lotta PA CEOs ejected soon then ============================================== "Trust no man who says to you that 'The ends justify the means' or who says that 'We will do whatever it takes...'. These men have no honour, and are fit only to be politicians." The book of Rab Chapter 1, Verse 3. ==============================================
Robeyone	Posted - 2004.02.27 04:12:00 - [183] Edited by: Robeyone on 27/02/2004 05:18:43 Well sense this has gone on for so long I guess it wouldn't hurt to put in my two cents. First on the original subject of this post I personally believe in the sanctity of the 1 on 1 battle and the word between fighters when engaging in such an act. It is the only 1 real way the game allows to settle things on the battlefield, as the mechanics don't allow for huge naval engagements and clash of the Titans. On RONA-KIA, RONA, and RONA Technologies We don't believe in the actions of breaking ones word. But to say that we have control over the actions of other corporations is just absurd. One thing that kept the NVA down was a hugh amount of red tape and rules. Though we do have a closed regions and some policies in place, we don't want to control the actions of other corporations and their policies. Contrary to popular thought we as the PA discuss things weekly, and all the organizations and corporations involved in the PA are doing things on their own fee will. RONA, CDI, and Oberon do not control the PA and RONA only has 1 vote on the council. Regarding Evolution My hats off to you guys. Though we all have our bag of tricks, you guys have proven that patience and timing is a very stong suit for you guys. Though your methods are frustrating, they are above all intellegent. Like the final days of the FE war, when RONA-KIA instituted hit and fade tactics, your methods provide kills and minimal losses. Though economically the war makes less sense for you and the numbers are ranging in terms of kills, I can say, with a very good degree of cetainty, that you are a very good opponent. I have learned a lot from fighting your corporation, and have gained a bit of respect for Evolution. On top of that your PR machine and forum presence is very impressive as well. On the state of the PA The PA is alive and well, and the organization is still in place and we are still fully functional. In a time of war your manufacturing and your civilian population don't stay in a war zone, and if they do it is covert and quiet. The military is fine, and the resolve is there. The fight is frustrating, rewarding, and at times confusing given the opponent. But it is far from over. Though I wish that were not the case, and this war is ludicrous at best, Evolution and the PA remain at an impass. On top of that we are both very stubborn entities, with a very similar resolve. All in all I do not agree with the "reasons" behind this fight. I don't agree with a lot of the statements being made by entities outside of these two organizations pretending to be "experts" on the political interworkings of these two entities and the conflict ensuing. Mainly, this will be resolved by Evolution and the PA, and I am sure bickering will continue. Your comments, though at times appreciated, will have no bearing on the state of the conflict and mean little if anything when it comes to the big picture. On Jade C. Jade I know you felt hurt and burned by the fall of the NVA. I don't mind your views on the subject matter placed in here. I do humbly request that before making any statements about the political views of the PA or and it's Corporations, voting structures, or other policies that you check your reference and prove your sources. You have incorrect statements in many of the posts you have in here. And part of a good debate is having correct information and not a multitude of "fluffware". I would be happy to answer any questions you may have on the PA. I have before and would oblige anytime here after. http://www.ronacorp.com
Sequin	Posted - 2004.02.27 04:39:00 - [184] When the four empires are warring with each other and the jove do a blitz into the heart systems, well still be fighting out little war in little venal:) ^A Raem Civre Original EVE-Trade, for your buying and selling needs. A Voogru original. [i]Redon > evol and mass have a GM helping them with everything Redon > notice how they always get ships replaced and none of us cant <--- Hurray for teamwork! b] We are evil exploiters!
Robeyone	Posted - 2004.02.27 04:57:00 - [185] Quote: When the four empires are warring with each other and the jove do a blitz into the heart systems, well still be fighting out little war in little venal:) More then likely yes And we still won't budge neither Evolution or the PA http://www.ronacorp.com
HavokTBP	Posted - 2004.02.27 05:59:00 - [186] Skipped half of this but back to my buddie homo here. You forget at the time there were what 7 or 8 evol in that system at the time an I challenged you when only me an evol were in system. A system is a system like it or not. You already had me outnumbered so your excuse to not fight me there isn't going to work. When you did come out, I considered it a fair 1v1 because you actually came out. How ironic that when you hit armor way before me another evol jumped in. Convienent timing or not that "1v1" you broke. But I don't care anymore. Unlike some people...... I don't use dirty tactics or call in 80 ships to come to my aid. An don't tell me they're smart tactics either, because everyone can do it. Be a little more creative. I like that GM's are now saying the log in trick is considered an exploit...... Although they're a couple months late on that one. But anyways Evol shouldn't be one to complain about lossing to dirty tactics when they do it all the time. Member of the Curse Alliance before the Corruption Leader of The Black Plague.
Javi	Posted - 2004.02.27 06:09:00 - [187] if it was an agreed 1v1 duel between yourself and Homo, then i'm pretty sure he'd be flaming his head off if any of us interrupted. -- "well..." -Estarriol, Evolution AZN Calculat
CubePusher	Posted - 2004.02.27 06:32:00 - [188] Quote: I don't use dirty tactics Strange i seem to recall bumping into you in Curse, you in a Moa me in a Caracal, you lock and fire, i fire a couple of torps your way and you did what? yep you logged off, once or twice maybe innocent, but 3 times?
KIAInkZ	Posted - 2004.02.27 09:25:00 - [189] 90% of the flaming is in the evol vs pa threads, is actually between evol and curse :P --- Forums/Killboard - http://www.kia-corp.co.uk
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.02.27 15:19:00 - [190] Quote: On Jade C. Jade I know you felt hurt and burned by the fall of the NVA. I don't mind your views on the subject matter placed in here. I do humbly request that before making any statements about the political views of the PA or and it's Corporations, voting structures, or other policies that you check your reference and prove your sources. You have incorrect statements in many of the posts you have in here. And part of a good debate is having correct information and not a multitude of "fluffware". I would be happy to answer any questions you may have on the PA. I have before and would oblige anytime here after. I think you are mistaken to stress this personal "burned" and "hurt" stuff Robeyone. Truth be told I was more annoyed at myself for having misjudged the personalities of the people involved. As I have said to you before, I count myself a usually good judge of personal integrity and in the case of the NVA coup leaders I slipped up quite badly. Hence my irritation is at my own failings in seeing and addressing the quality of snakedom that had crept into the alliance. I believe one must always look to oneself to blame first. Searching around for scapegoats is a fools game. In this case it was simply that I didn't do enough to check the references of the alliance partners and that I failed to spot the treachery coming. Still that game is finished, the new game is in the water ;) Re checking the references and asking for PA sources etc. The hard truth is I simply don't trust PA in any way shape or form as an entity. I think your alliance is full from top to bottom with dishonourable people who wouldn't know the truth if it was mailed to them first class in a bright yellow envelope marked "THE TRUTH" ... grins I think you are an alliance in denial, and thats a state of mind that follows naturally from attempting to sweep the past underneath the carpet and ignore history. Let me remind you again of Halseth's words on the inauguration of this "Pheonix" alliance. Quote: Greetings from the newly formed Phoenix Alliance (TPA). This is a declaration of our organization birth and intentions. Formed from what once were the core corporations of the NVA, And who had of course all signed the many documents and charters of the NVA and chose to betray the sworn faith and pledge. Quote: let it be known without a doubt that the new venal alliance is dead, gone and buried. From this point on, the past remains in the past. References to ancient civil wars, past victories/defeats, betrayals, heroics, and feuds are now abolished to material we consider irrelevant. Ancient wars? - that finished 3 months ago and still had alliances extent? Trade agreements unresolved? Abolished to material "we consider irrelevent" ... Well Robeyone let me ask you a question then. Why should I trust the PA to tell me the truth on anything given that you have made a virtue of the airbrushing out of historical foundation and past debts of honour? Quote: The Phoenix Alliance will now start with a clean slate and a determined focus on what is best for the corps of TPA. Clean slate? I think not. Focus on whats best for yourself? Well most certainly. But the problem is it takes two sides to agree the ending of a debt. To make a unilateral declaration of such just makes you a thief. Quote: Now I would like to state some points about Eve's newest alliance: TPA sets all foreign alliance standings to "neutral". TPA consists of the regions: Venal, Branch, and Tenal. These regions are closed to all non VE personnel and corps By which you underscore the treachery of actuality and disavowal of past debts and friendships with the descent into a bare-faced land grab. Its really not a very flattering declaration Robeyone. And as a basis for an alliance it does nothing to suggest that you will do anything other than lie and cheat and steal to defend your personal interest and personal power. I understand these are hard words, but I think you have been deluding yourself on the nature of the PA and the allies you have found there. JF Public Forum
Maud Dib	Posted - 2004.02.27 16:02:00 - [191] I admit I don't know what is happening in Venal right now. That being said I have spent a lot of time fighting with Kia, Rona, 20th and other Venal corps and I have never seen them do anything that would be considered lacking honor in any way.
ReForMatt	Posted - 2004.02.27 16:08:00 - [192] Quote: I admit I don't know what is happening in Venal right now. That being said I have spent a lot of time fighting with Kia, Rona, 20th and other Venal corps and I have never seen them do anything that would be considered lacking honor in any way. I do miss the Maud Dib GODS NUFF SAID!!
Raem Civrie	Posted - 2004.02.27 16:17:00 - [193] The word and term "honour" is lost on most people. Honour is not about a fair fight. Honour is about setting down principles and following them, respecting friends and family. For example, M0o was never, in any way, dishonorable. They were very direct about how they thought, operated and fought, and did not pretend to uphold any values they didn't go after. And unless Presidio was betraying his own values and principles by fouling a duel, a form of competition that has enjoyed a pseudo-ritual status throughout civilized history, what he did was not dishonourable. Then he's just a despicable little man that is not only prepared to do anything to win, but is also horribly misguided. To me, honour is integrity. And integrity is holding to one's own values. The rules and codes of conduct set by the society can go to hell.
Halseth Durn	Posted - 2004.02.27 16:44:00 - [194] I really hate to burst your bubble and sidetrack your anti-Halseth campaign but the declaration you just spent hours trying to pick apart was not, I repreat NOT written by me. I only delivered it. Back to the drawing board M'dear. Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.02.27 16:53:00 - [195] It didn't really take "hours" Halseth. Thats quite an exaggeration. And actually your public relations clone delivered it. Love and peace JF Public Forum
Jakal	Posted - 2004.02.27 18:33:00 - [196] Got Goon.? mmmm.... Goon -Adapt and Overcome.
Halseth Durn	Posted - 2004.02.27 18:42:00 - [197] Quote: It didn't really take "hours" Halseth. Thats quite an exaggeration. And actually your public relations clone delivered it. Change the subject much? :D Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS
Anna Heart	Posted - 2004.02.27 20:35:00 - [198] Jade can you do me a favor and die? Or maybe shut up? Honestly I don't even care what happened long as it doesn't involve me finding you in every thread worth reading to turn the subject back into a How the PA are such Asshats. Guess what! We all work together, we fight out war, we do what we say we'll do, and we're closed boarders. Guess waht that speaks great lengths over the NVA. Now do us all a favor and find some means to silence yourself. Least mind taking yourself to something that at least romotely involves you. InfiniCorp, Lunatic at Arms When you think of picking a fight remember this, I've got a big gun, and the insanity to use it.
Rual Storge	Posted - 2004.02.27 20:45:00 - [199] War is War! In the American revolution George Washington led an attack on the night of a holiday when the Brits were liquired up. You know what? We won that war, why? Cause it's war. You don't like people nailing you at every turn with this and that, guess what? Don't start a war. You want civil 1 v 1 fights you better do it when you're not at war, when it's just to two of you, or on Chaos (though you have everything you ever wanted on chaos) In a war situation as you were present in I would gladly take part in an ambush on you. It's not like you didn't log kill people which is just as foul. Someone plays dirty, sometimes you gotta get dirty. As for 1 v 1 I've done em on numberous occasions. Several times during the war between Infinicorp and Space Invaders I found myself alone with an SPVD pilot (now that I think of it 99% of the time it was in EC-P8R) I can even recall a convo basicly going like this. Wanna Dance? Sure! Planet X - moon 2 And we fought. This happened I think twice First time I came out on top second time they did. Nother time I came in with two others ther was no 1 v 1. It was a war situation then. If you are so concerned about honor you should move to Japan. Cause preatty much everywhere else in the world people understand War is War. It's not "honorable" to fly over an enemy city and blow it away, but it works. You know what is done then... The city gets blown away. Don't like it, don't get yourself into a war. Rual Storge, Battlestars, CEO
Propehcy	Posted - 2004.02.27 21:05:00 - [200] The more posts I see that denounce Jades political double talk the more I smile. Really, Jade must be a politiion in real life, where else would you learn to put so much garbage into a post but have it still look intellegant... And yet some people just don't get the message, sad really. Prophecy Ex-CA Rep and Ex-CA Member http://www.designegrafix.com/eve/prop5.jpg Props Chop Shop: Ships, Arms, and Armaments producer for Northern Eve! Located at Torrinos 5 - 6 - Home Guard Assembley. The Prop And Notferr Chronicles Notferr> Propehcy Owns me! Yet I feel so much Fear in his Evil Presence! Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is. Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing! Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud. Propehcy> I Need a Tool... Where is that Notferr... [ 2004.09.11 28:63:98 ] Propehcy 2004.09.11 29:05:33.3 combat Your Miner II perfectly strikes Notferr, wrecking for WTFPWNAGE.
j0sephine	Posted - 2004.02.27 21:39:00 - [201] "War is War! In the American revolution George Washington led an attack on the night of a holiday when the Brits were liquired up." ... Did he make specific agreement with them beforehand, that there would be no fight so they're free to get drunk without any risk? Otherwise i don't see the relevance -- you are comparing case of breaking personal word, and taking advantage of enemy's recklessness...
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.02.27 21:42:00 - [202] Demanding desperately that ones debating opponent should just "shut up" doesn't do a great deal to persuade anyone of the merits of one's own position. Rather it declares weakness and lack of confidence in one's stated faith and principles. JF Public Forum
Shiwan Khan	Posted - 2004.02.27 22:50:00 - [203] CCP, you could fix some of these underhanded cheap 1v1 tactics. All you have to do is make it so you cannot join a new gang while engaged in combat...simple as that.
Faramir	Posted - 2004.02.28 00:37:00 - [204] Why not a "duel" option?
HavokTBP	Posted - 2004.02.28 06:12:00 - [205] Quote: Quote: I don't use dirty tactics Strange i seem to recall bumping into you in Curse, you in a Moa me in a Caracal, you lock and fire, i fire a couple of torps your way and you did what? yep you logged off, once or twice maybe innocent, but 3 times? You sure I didn't just warp out? For one why would I log with torps coming at me, I'd be dead in a moa within 2mins. I'm pretty sure I warped away once I knew what missiles hit me. But it don't matter, I have the screenshots framed on my wall of homo trying to find excuses about why bansh jumped in on the same station as me an homo at that very point in time when homo was in armor an approaching my ship off about 5km's from me where my guns weren't doing anymore dmg to him an bansh started hitting me when he came in. I don't need to say anymore then that. But yeah.... I don't use dirty tactics :) Member of the Curse Alliance before the Corruption Leader of The Black Plague.
Iluyen	Posted - 2004.02.28 06:55:00 - [206] Quote: "War is War! In the American revolution George Washington led an attack on the night of a holiday when the Brits were liquired up." I thought the brits were allways liquired up when going into combat?
Raem Civrie	Posted - 2004.02.28 12:38:00 - [207] Georgie didn't call out their officers for a duel and have his little farmers waiting in ambush to jump 'em...
Jebidus Skari	Posted - 2004.02.28 15:02:00 - [208] Quote: Quote: "War is War! In the American revolution George Washington led an attack on the night of a holiday when the Brits were liquired up." I thought the brits were allways liquired up when going into combat? Nobody's stupid enough to fling themselves into combat otherwise are they?
CubePusher	Posted - 2004.02.28 20:38:00 - [209] Quote: Quote: Quote: I don't use dirty tactics Strange i seem to recall bumping into you in Curse, you in a Moa me in a Caracal, you lock and fire, i fire a couple of torps your way and you did what? yep you logged off, once or twice maybe innocent, but 3 times? You sure I didn't just warp out? For one why would I log with torps coming at me, I'd be dead in a moa within 2mins. I'm pretty sure I warped away once I knew what missiles hit me. But it don't matter, I have the screenshots framed on my wall of homo trying to find excuses about why bansh jumped in on the same station as me an homo at that very point in time when homo was in armor an approaching my ship off about 5km's from me where my guns weren't doing anymore dmg to him an bansh started hitting me when he came in. I don't need to say anymore then that. But yeah.... I don't use dirty tactics :) I brought this up in a previous post and the only comment you made on that thread was "Sorry cold, had to do it :)". None of my torps hit you, If you warped out im fairly sure i would have noticed you flying away, and if you did warp away your pic would have stayed in local for at least a little while so in short, yes you did log off, the reason? one can only assume : Quote: I'd be dead in a moa within 2mins And on the Homo 1vs1 thing, i dont know (or care for that matter) what happened but im sure he'd be more than willing to go again.

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