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slothe Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.10.27 16:56:00 - [1] Edited by: slothe on 27/10/2007 17:07:27 2 nights of hardcore action solo pvp. 1st night Set up bubble 2 jumps from hub in fountain in my deimos wait for traffic. and wait.....and wait. 2 pods come in , see bubble and log. wait 90 mins...nothing. so i unanchor bubble. Just as it unanchors to the second a 5 man gang comes in, steals bubble and runs away Second Day I setup my astarte and go from fountain hub - empire and back. No scout i figure if i die i die. Go for it. On the route i encounter 2 nano gangs (m.pire / cruel intentions) that i bypass as i cant realistically fight them. Literally every 2 jumps there is a farmer ( strange name + sec staus 5.0 + responds to chinese) that cloaks / safespots on entering system. Get to empire gate, camp for a bit. Myrmidon gets in and makes it back to the gate Some frigs come in and warp off. 2 scouts in system seem to warn people of my presence. At last a target ! A drake comes to the gate. I follow it into empire , tackle all guns blazing. It warps away :/ stabbed. I head back to fountain , through the farmers... At last some action.. (2 hours in) I see people being ransomed. Follow the pirates See two vagas on scan. Oh wait, scan clear. Surely not cloaking vagas?.. slothe > vagas with cloaks :/ Crulos > ;) Sunstr0ke > ratters with cloak ^^ slothe > both equally sad Crulos > bad 4 you Crulos > good 4 us slothe > bad 4 game slothe > virtually everyone i passed from fountain central - emopire and back slothe > cloaked slothe > really really sad slothe > and its not even like vagas need cloaks slothe > they just run away Sunstr0ke > lets go mine =D Crulos > mining vaga ftw ::) slothe > wouldnt surprise me So end of day 2 - 4 hours on , no fights. Isnt 0.0 fun. The illustration shows the following imho.. 1. Cloaks are ruining 0.0 ( they have become almost a standard fit on any size ship. i have seen them on interceptors / cruisers / bc / bs etc...) Please nerf cloaks asap 2.Farmers are tainting 0.0 They are everywhere. I dont mind the farmers on a personal level, some are ok, but their prevelance degrades the game. 3. nano gangs are spoiling 0.0 ( yes i know i fly nano ships) (yes i know my corp pioneered nano gangs) (yes i know they can be countered) Nano gangs spoil 0.0 as no-one wants to fight them = less battles. p.s. i am not criticising cruel intentions, m.pire or the guys i quoted here im just using them as examples.
slothe Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.10.27 16:58:00 - [2] Edited by: slothe on 27/10/2007 17:05:41 reserved to deal with trolls troll number1 - flinx - you miss my point totally.
Fantome Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.10.27 17:02:00 - [3] 100% agree with OP. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected]) Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.10.27 17:04:00 - [4] Originally by: slothe reserved to deal with trolls Oh look, another whine thread about cloaks and nanos..... Try harder next time maybe.
Saint Lazarus Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.27 17:10:00 - [5] I agree with 2, thats a serious issue, teh other 2 are just whines, sorry but theres nothing wrong with teh modules, people use them alot(OVERuse them) cause they're useful so what do you want? CCP to nerf anything thats useful? =s not a good business model and a never endin cycle as people just move onto teh next useful mods =) you cant always dock in 0.0 so teh only thing you can do is fit a cloak and SS/cloak, come up with a alternative or quit whining ------------------------------
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.10.27 17:13:00 - [6] Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 27/10/2007 17:16:06 Originally by: slothe troll number1 - flinx - you miss my point totally. Oh your point was that you missed an easy BC gank in a Command ship because he was stabbed up? Or was your point that the prey out smarted you. Or was your point that roaming gangs are too organised for a solo ship to fight? There are plenty of fights to be had in 0.0...you just have to know where to look http://www.cruelintentions.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=2384 http://www.cruelintentions.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=1894
TimMc Skiddies of Doom	Posted - 2007.10.27 17:20:00 - [7] I've encountered all of these problems, and never done them, but all I can say is get over it.
slothe Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.10.27 17:22:00 - [8] Originally by: TimMc I've encountered all of these problems, and never done them, but all I can say is get over it. Maybe you are correct these problems just annoy me as i now see them daily wheras it used to not be very often.
Firkragg Blue Labs Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.27 17:23:00 - [9] Edited by: Firkragg on 27/10/2007 17:24:20 1. agreed its annoying that every time you jump into a system wih a target it almost always cloaked 2. also agreed, every system is filled with them and theres almost nothing you can do as if you even get close to them before they can warp and cloak they will just log. 3. nano gangs are starting to become a pain. Its not that i ahve a problem with nano ships themselves since 0.0 is a big place and it helps to be able to travel it fast. Whats needed is a more effecient counter when your flying something of medium size (i.e BCs and cruiser class ships). If im in a BS i use a heavy neut and if im in a small ship i use a web but if im in a BC there is no counter except for the hostile being mega dumb. Basically what im trying to say is that we dont need to hit everything with a big nerf bat we just have to give better counters.
slothe Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.10.27 17:26:00 - [10] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar There are plenty of fights to be had in 0.0...you just have to know where to look http://www.cruelintentions.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=2384 http://www.cruelintentions.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=1894 i mean dude the second example here proves my point, just look at the sheer nano-ness of your gang compared to the opposition

ArmyOfMe hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.10.27 17:29:00 - [11] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 27/10/2007 17:16:06 Originally by: slothe troll number1 - flinx - you miss my point totally. Oh your point was that you missed an easy BC gank in a Command ship because he was stabbed up? Or was your point that the prey out smarted you. Or was your point that roaming gangs are too organised for a solo ship to fight? There are plenty of fights to be had in 0.0...you just have to know where to look http://www.cruelintentions.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=2384 http://www.cruelintentions.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=1894 the only thing those links show is that speedsetups is totaly overpowerd, and that the only reason u dont see that is cause your flying them oh and 100% agree with op on this one
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.10.27 17:34:00 - [12] Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 27/10/2007 17:34:18 Originally by: slothe i mean dude the second example here proves my point, just look at the sheer nano-ness of your gang compared to the opposition The tools are there for everyone to use Why would we use ships less good at the job of roaming. And to the MM guy...it doesnt prove speed gangs are overpowered. It proves that hastily thrown together blobs do not guarantee victory. Imo...the fact that more numbers does not guarantee success is a good thing. The only thing I agreed with in your OP, is that yes there are farmers everywhere. But how to deal with that without effecting the genuine npc'rs who use cloaks and safe spots to avoid being ganked by a naughty nano gang
skuko Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.27 17:43:00 - [13] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 27/10/2007 17:34:18 Originally by: slothe i mean dude the second example here proves my point, just look at the sheer nano-ness of your gang compared to the opposition The tools are there for everyone to use... i bet you also bully and harass weaker people in RL too...does it make you fell better?
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.10.27 17:45:00 - [14] Originally by: skuko i bet you also bully and harass weaker people in RL too...does it make you fell better? The prize for the most random insult goes to.... Some people must really hate nano gangs when they make real life comparisons like this. Have a beer, calm down a little
Chr0nosX Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.27 17:49:00 - [15] Edited by: Chr0nosX on 27/10/2007 17:49:36 I agree cloaks need a nerf but I also think you got unlucky.
Reverend Revelator Elite Storm Enterprises	Posted - 2007.10.27 17:53:00 - [16] Hypocrisy is the greatest luxury -- Dead People Laugh At The Murder Of Love --
Sokratesz Paradox v2.0	Posted - 2007.10.27 17:53:00 - [17] Agreed. Running and or hiding is way too easy. And cloaking farmers are just lame.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.27 17:54:00 - [18] Sorry, there is nothing wrong with cloaks. Cloaks are working as intended, aren't they? If people can see cloaks then what is a cloak? --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Phelan Lore Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.10.27 18:05:00 - [19] Edited by: Phelan Lore on 27/10/2007 18:06:24 Originally by: slothe Originally by: Flinx Evenstar There are plenty of fights to be had in 0.0...you just have to know where to look http://www.cruelintentions.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=2384 http://www.cruelintentions.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=1894 i mean dude the second example here proves my point, just look at the sheer nano-ness of your gang compared to the opposition The funny thing is, that isn't even a good gang. Vagas and nanoishtars are great for solo through about 5 or 6 people. With 15 in the gang, you'll do a lot better with a gang fit for long range. -
Snake Doctor MacroIntel United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2007.10.27 18:09:00 - [20] Originally by: slothe Edited by: slothe on 27/10/2007 17:07:27 2 nights of hardcore action solo pvp. 1st night Set up bubble 2 jumps from hub in fountain in my deimos wait for traffic. and wait.....and wait. 2 pods come in , see bubble and log. wait 90 mins...nothing. so i unanchor bubble. Just as it unanchors to the second a 5 man gang comes in, steals bubble and runs away Second Day I setup my astarte and go from fountain hub - empire and back. No scout i figure if i die i die. Go for it. On the route i encounter 2 nano gangs (m.pire / cruel intentions) that i bypass as i cant realistically fight them. Literally every 2 jumps there is a farmer ( strange name + sec staus 5.0 + responds to chinese) that cloaks / safespots on entering system. Get to empire gate, camp for a bit. Myrmidon gets in and makes it back to the gate Some frigs come in and warp off. 2 scouts in system seem to warn people of my presence. At last a target ! A drake comes to the gate. I follow it into empire , tackle all guns blazing. It warps away :/ stabbed. I head back to fountain , through the farmers... At last some action.. (2 hours in) I see people being ransomed. Follow the pirates See two vagas on scan. Oh wait, scan clear. Surely not cloaking vagas?.. slothe > vagas with cloaks :/ Crulos > ;) Sunstr0ke > ratters with cloak ^^ slothe > both equally sad Crulos > bad 4 you Crulos > good 4 us slothe > bad 4 game slothe > virtually everyone i passed from fountain central - emopire and back slothe > cloaked slothe > really really sad slothe > and its not even like vagas need cloaks slothe > they just run away Sunstr0ke > lets go mine =D Crulos > mining vaga ftw ::) slothe > wouldnt surprise me So end of day 2 - 4 hours on , no fights. Isnt 0.0 fun. The illustration shows the following imho.. 1. Cloaks are ruining 0.0 ( they have become almost a standard fit on any size ship. i have seen them on interceptors / cruisers / bc / bs etc...) Please nerf cloaks asap 2.Farmers are tainting 0.0 They are everywhere. I dont mind the farmers on a personal level, some are ok, but their prevelance degrades the game. 3. nano gangs are spoiling 0.0 ( yes i know i fly nano ships) (yes i know my corp pioneered nano gangs) (yes i know they can be countered) Nano gangs spoil 0.0 as no-one wants to fight them = less battles. p.s. i am not criticising cruel intentions, m.pire or the guys i quoted here im just using them as examples. I have been hearing a lot about Fountain being infested with farmers. Do you ever record the names and systems you find them in? Join Macrointel!

SiJira	Posted - 2007.10.27 21:28:00 - [21] you can get your cloaks nerfed, but only the crappy ones the good version isnt getting nerfed ever ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried! _lies above_ CCP Morpheus was here Morpheus Fails. You need colors!! -Kaemonn [yellow]Kaem
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.10.27 21:34:00 - [22] Originally by: SiJira you can get your cloaks nerfed, but only the crappy ones the good version isnt getting nerfed ever Said the DEV...oh wait
slothe Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.10.27 22:16:00 - [23] Originally by: Reverend Revelator Hypocrisy is the greatest luxury to give a valid opinion you need to have seen and be able to understand both sides of the argument. i never use cloaks on npc or pvp ships (except recons which were designed to use them) i do fly in nano gangs, but i prefer not to ( but given the choice of staying docked doing nothing or flying in them i do). i think a hypocrit is someone who tells someone not to do what they do. im not doing that. im just concerned in the direction this game is going. people who are able to have litle or no risk in 0.0 , which is not what 0.0 was designed for. there should be a degree of risk in 0.0, and having a cloak, nano fitting etc decreases the risk in 0.0 and in doing so devalues it.
Torquemanda Corteaz Gallente Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.10.27 22:20:00 - [24] Edited by: Torquemanda Corteaz on 27/10/2007 22:23:14 and yet I can bet you my bank balance that if I went back to fountain to collect some of my stuff i left behind, my sorry ass would be back in a clone vat bay the moment i undocked cloakers are going to become scannable, and nano ships can be countered already (alright, it isn't easy)
SiJira	Posted - 2007.10.27 22:40:00 - [25] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: SiJira you can get your cloaks nerfed, but only the crappy ones the good version isnt getting nerfed ever Said the DEV...oh wait i would link it for you but im sure if you look through the threads ive posted in you can either find me quoting the post or linking it ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried! _lies above_ CCP Morpheus was here Morpheus Fails. You need colors!! -Kaemonn [yellow]Kaem
Cailais Amarr VITOC Fang Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.27 22:49:00 - [26] That doesnt mean however that probes wont get a boost, or that the scanning system changes. CCP dont neccesarily have to alter a cov ops II cloak to 'nerf it' indirectly. C. *signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link) - Jacques([email protected]) - sig designer - eve mail Low Sec Idea
SiJira	Posted - 2007.10.28 00:25:00 - [27] Originally by: Cailais That doesnt mean however that probes wont get a boost, or that the scanning system changes. CCP dont neccesarily have to alter a cov ops II cloak to 'nerf it' indirectly. C. i believe when they say that they wont ruin the perfect cloak they understand all the restrictions because of it even if some whining players dont ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried! _lies above_ CCP Morpheus was here Morpheus Fails. You need colors!! -Kaemonn [yellow]Kaem
Bellum Eternus Gallente Blood Corsair's	Posted - 2007.10.28 00:30:00 - [28] There is no hardcore pvp in 0.0. Only nano lamers and cloakers. =) Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I
F90OEX	Posted - 2007.10.28 00:35:00 - [29] Originally by: Snake Doctor Originally by: slothe I have been hearing a lot about Fountain being infested with farmers. Do you ever record the names and systems you find them in? That was done and there still doing the same thing everynight... CCP has done nothing about them.
Pattern Clarc Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.10.28 00:48:00 - [30] Come to greatwild lands sloth and fight with style. Sig removed lacks EVE content, email [email protected] if you have any questions - Xorus



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