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met worst Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 90	Posted - 2012.01.26 22:57:00 - [1] - Quote If you truly think as I do that the CSM selection system is flawed, pointless and no more than a 0.0 boys club, don't stand, don't select and don't vote. If CCP can see that the CSM is wasted effort for THE MAJORITY (as it always has been), emphasise the irrelevance by treating it like the festering sore it has become. Force the issue to a fairer method of representation. Better to have no system than a bad system. Show your disgust. DO NOTHING.
Adunh Slavy Ammatar Trade Syndicate 301	Posted - 2012.01.26 22:58:00 - [2] - Quote Can we write in Ron Paul? IBTL
Zleon Leigh 75	Posted - 2012.01.26 23:03:00 - [3] - Quote met worst wrote: If you truly think as I do that the CSM selection system is flawed, pointless and no more than a 0.0 boys club, don't stand, don't select and don't vote. If CCP can see that the CSM is wasted effort for THE MAJORITY (as it always has been), emphasise the irrelevance by treating it like the festering sore it has become. Force the issue to a fairer method of representation. Better to have no system than a bad system. Show your disgust. DO NOTHING. Would be better to petition CCP to add "None of the Above" and "Drop CSM" to the ballot in order to really determine what the customers think. But I don't have a lot of confidence in CCP's marketing group given the wording of the customer survey's and leaked info about their "results" Incarna - Newest business example of mismanaged capital. CCP - Continuing to gank independent PI producers every day
met worst Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 90	Posted - 2012.01.26 23:03:00 - [4] - Quote Adunh Slavy wrote: Can we write in Ron Paul? IBTL /me googles Ron Paul and says... "Only an American would think the rest of the world cares about American politics." And wtf should thread be locked? You disagree or sumtin?
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 314	Posted - 2012.01.26 23:04:00 - [5] - Quote Adunh Slavy wrote: Can we write in Ron Paul? IBTL RON PAUL!!! The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 917	Posted - 2012.01.26 23:05:00 - [6] - Quote Doc Fury wrote: Adunh Slavy wrote: Can we write in Ron Paul? IBTL RON PAUL!!! not empty voting The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
Bernie Nator Insidious Design Talocan United 66	Posted - 2012.01.26 23:06:00 - [7] - Quote Or you could pick candidates that aren't null seccer good ole boys
Dirk Magnum Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan 188	Posted - 2012.01.26 23:08:00 - [8] - Quote We've had this same discussion since the vote for CSM 1. "For example, if you are thinking about selling a Republic Fleet Firetail as a regular Firetail, be sure that the market volume is high on regular Firetails and that there are plenty of buy/sell contracts for Republic Fleet Firetails. [...] The players most interested in Republic Fleet Firetails are going to be players flying regular ones."-á -- PB
Surfin's PlunderBunny mUfFiN fAcToRy Psychotic Tendencies. 893	Posted - 2012.01.26 23:09:00 - [9] - Quote Vote for Newt Gingrich and he promises to give us the moon! http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/technology-blog/newt-gingrich-promises-build-moon-colony-2020-u-211103078.html
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 917	Posted - 2012.01.26 23:10:00 - [10] - Quote Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote: Vote for Newt Gingrich and he promises to give us the moon! http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/technology-blog/newt-gingrich-promises-build-moon-colony-2020-u-211103078.html what he's not telling you is "Moon colony" is the name of his next book..... The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
Corina Jarr Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built 531	Posted - 2012.01.26 23:13:00 - [11] - Quote Stupid question but... if we don't vote, and the null fiolks vote who they want in, don't we just lose? No message, we just suffer for stupidity and lack of organization.
met worst Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 90	Posted - 2012.01.26 23:13:00 - [12] - Quote Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote: Vote for Newt Gingrich and he promises to give us the moon! http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/technology-blog/newt-gingrich-promises-build-moon-colony-2020-u-211103078.html The other 6.8 billion people in the world don't agree Or care. Bit like CSM politics really. But let's call it a democracy all the same shall we?
Makenshi Drakonnen GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 0	Posted - 2012.01.26 23:14:00 - [13] - Quote Zleon Leigh wrote: Would be better to petition CCP to add "None of the Above" and "Drop CSM" to the ballot in order to really determine what the customers think. But I don't have a lot of confidence in CCP's marketing group given the wording of the customer survey's and leaked info about their "results" or you could just abstain.
Grey Stormshadow draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 818	Posted - 2012.01.26 23:19:00 - [14] - Quote Not voting is not a statement. Voting for donald duck is. Get
Roosterton Shattered Star Exiles SpaceMonkey's Alliance 289	Posted - 2012.01.26 23:20:00 - [15] - Quote CCP should start locking these terrible anti-CSM threads on the grounds that it's political discussion. After all, the amount of idiocy here is pretty much similar to the amount of idiocy which takes place in real life political discussions, wouldn't you say?
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 917	Posted - 2012.01.26 23:21:00 - [16] - Quote met worst wrote: Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote: Vote for Newt Gingrich and he promises to give us the moon! http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/technology-blog/newt-gingrich-promises-build-moon-colony-2020-u-211103078.html The other 6.8 billion people in the world don't agree Or care. Bit like CSM politics really. But let's call it a democracy all the same shall we? the other 6.8 billion don't live in America and their opinions about American politics mean nothing to the voting process so can we assume you are basing your rants on what people playing wow think of the CSM? The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
Corina Jarr Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built 531	Posted - 2012.01.26 23:21:00 - [17] - Quote All not voting will say to CCP is we don't care... like the majority of the playerbase every single year since the CSM was started. Its still here. Not voting will not change the CSM. If anything, it will give us the exact same thing we have now. Is that what you want op?
met worst Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 90	Posted - 2012.01.26 23:22:00 - [18] - Quote Corina Jarr wrote: Stupid question but... if we don't vote, and the null fiolks vote who they want in, don't we just lose? No message, we just suffer for stupidity and lack of organization. An even greater lack of interest (than previously) let's CCP become aware (if they aren't already) that the CSM does NOT neccessarily represent the majority and reduces the CSM's belief it is a "representative entity". This could force a better and fairer system. CCP is quite aware that there are issues. Maybe they need to understand how bad it really is. Keep in mind this is my view and just like any political agenda, my stance is for doing nothing to prove the point. Not simply doing something within a flawed system, calling it a democracy and be damned the consequences.
Rene Fullchest Aliastra Gallente Federation 8	Posted - 2012.01.26 23:22:00 - [19] - Quote There is a HUGE problem with boycotts, or, more specifically, those that think that any boycott can ever actually achieve what they want it to. The very fact that one thinks that they need a forum post to attempt to garner more who think thusly is evidence that a boycott can never work. I don't care where you are from, but a simple study of general political science will tell you that calls for a boycott only work against your own self interests. The ONLY to effect change is to participate.
KrakizBad Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension 300	Posted - 2012.01.26 23:24:00 - [20] - Quote Hahaha, yes don't vote. That will work well for you. http://i.imgur.com/cOmMP.gif
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors 323	Posted - 2012.01.26 23:25:00 - [21] - Quote All voting systems are flawed in some way. The "direct/poll" voting system that you wave around as "better" is no exception to this. "Just because I seem like an idiot, doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown
XXSketchxx Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 142	Posted - 2012.01.26 23:27:00 - [22] - Quote How can we get better represented in the CSM? I know guys! Lets not vote! so maintain the status quo...good idea OP
Nicolo da'Vicenza Divine Power. Cascade Imminent 259	Posted - 2012.01.26 23:28:00 - [23] - Quote Vote Nicolo da'Vicenza for CSM7 Ban NPC Corps
XXSketchxx Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 142	Posted - 2012.01.26 23:29:00 - [24] - Quote Corina Jarr wrote: Stupid question but... if we don't vote, and the null fiolks vote who they want in, don't we just lose? No message, we just suffer for stupidity and lack of organization. you are literally the one person outside of null sec that actually has a brain and understands this
met worst Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 91	Posted - 2012.01.26 23:31:00 - [25] - Quote Rene Fullchest wrote: There is a HUGE problem with boycotts, or, more specifically, those that think that any boycott can ever actually achieve what they want it to. The very fact that one thinks that they need a forum post to attempt to garner more who think thusly is evidence that a boycott can never work. I don't care where you are from, but a simple study of general political science will tell you that calls for a boycott only work against your own self interests. The ONLY to effect change is to participate. So you'd rather vote in (and by proxy, support) a flawed system? Seems to be an aggregate view coming out (of the predictables) that CCP can't think for themselves. The CSM is but one small part, but, after reading the latest minutes and listening to the "campaigning", one cannot help but feel that the biased and misguided belief that the CSM will be "majority representation" under the current system may well be skewing what the majority really want. We simply do not know (and quite possibly never will) because the current process disallows any fair selection.
met worst Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 91	Posted - 2012.01.26 23:35:00 - [26] - Quote XXSketchxx wrote: How can we get better represented in the CSM? I know guys! Lets not vote! so maintain the status quo...good idea OP And what candidate would stand (and win) under the premise of falling on his own sword against the very system he despises? Think man. All CSM members get in - all using the flawed method, one thinks the CSM should be restructured and they ALL vote to fall on their swords in agreeance. How quaint. ED: You must remember that the CSM is NOT the ruling body. CCP can make the call w/w/o your vote. They need a pretext to do so. An even lower vote count and lack of interest could be the grenade pin they need.
Surfin's PlunderBunny mUfFiN fAcToRy Psychotic Tendencies. 893	Posted - 2012.01.26 23:50:00 - [27] - Quote met worst wrote: Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote: Vote for Newt Gingrich and he promises to give us the moon! http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/technology-blog/newt-gingrich-promises-build-moon-colony-2020-u-211103078.html The other 6.8 billion people in the world don't agree Or care. Bit like CSM politics really. But let's call it a democracy all the same shall we? They will care when we put a giant layzor on it Also vote Darius III
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 666	Posted - 2012.01.26 23:59:00 - [28] - Quote Just vote me in as a write in. I promises to do sweet ** all for my entire term. Odds are pretty good I won't even be bothered to get on the Icelandic gravy train...er...plane. I can't be bought because I'm already rich and frankly, I just don't give a ** about what any of you think. I only care about the needs of Mr. Epeen. Actually, come to think of it, I'm pretty much like the current CSM.. As you were. Mr Epeen Me too!-á I ate one sour, too!
Bartholemu Fu-Baz The Scope Gallente Federation 18	Posted - 2012.01.27 00:00:00 - [29] - Quote met worst wrote: Corina Jarr wrote: Stupid question but... if we don't vote, and the null fiolks vote who they want in, don't we just lose? No message, we just suffer for stupidity and lack of organization. An even greater lack of interest (than previously) let's CCP become aware (if they aren't already) that the CSM does NOT neccessarily represent the majority and reduces the CSM's belief it is a "representative entity". This could force a better and fairer system. CCP is quite aware that there are issues. Maybe they need to understand how bad it really is. Keep in mind this is my view and just like any political agenda, my stance is for doing nothing to prove the point. Not simply doing something within a flawed system, calling it a democracy and be damned the consequences. I suspect you'll need something a bit more aggressive than sitting and doing nothing during the voting process to "force" change. I think that's what people are trying to tell you.
Adunh Slavy Ammatar Trade Syndicate 302	Posted - 2012.01.27 00:06:00 - [30] - Quote met worst wrote: Adunh Slavy wrote: Can we write in Ron Paul? IBTL /me googles Ron Paul and says... "Only an American would think the rest of the world cares about American politics." And wtf should thread be locked? You disagree or sumtin? To the quote, he's the only one of the canidates that would stop dropping bombs and printing dollars, so yeah, it should matter to you. He's the American version of Dan Hannan and Nigel Farge. As for the IBTL, politicis is a no-no on EveForums, so was a bit of foreshadowed sarcasm.

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