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Tallianna Avenkarde Beasts of Burden 275	Posted - 2012.01.27 06:37:00 - [61] - Quote Met worst is an obvious goon troll to get people to not vote, so that mittens wins the vote by a longshot. Constituents really wanting to make a difference should vote to me,I vow to oppose anything that mittens aggrees with!! And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell.
Grumpy Owly Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 119	Posted - 2012.01.27 06:39:00 - [62] - Quote met worst wrote: Quote: "If you must be selfish, then be wise and not narrow-minded in your selfishness. The key point lies in the sense of universal responsibility. That is the real source of strength, the real source of happiness. If we exploit everything available, such as trees, water and minerals, and if we don-¦t plan for our next generation, for the future, then we-¦re at fault, aren-¦t we? However, if we have a genuine sense of universal responsibility as our central motivation, then our relations with the environment, and with all our neighbours, will be well balanced". - his holiness the Dalai Lama Any vote or action FOR the CSM process (irrespective of the candidates or their platforms) is a vote SUPPORTING the current system. As I have said, this is fine if you ARE happy with the current structure. No problem there. But in considering the DL quote, my motivation is by NOT exploiting the current system to gain short term satisfaction but is to look further into how the CSM could be structured for a much longer and more certain future for ALL players. Looking at ways this can be done MIGHT include apathetic (read passive) protest. Sometimes the majority can be most effective by being silent. Interesting that you would see the DL quote as neccesarily targeted at yourself. and his complete view on the matter is: "Sometimes one creates a dynamic impression by saying something, and sometimes one creates as significant an impression by remaining silent." - DL "All griefers are lazy cowards with the current climate of broken player policing systems."
Serge Bastana GWA Corp 46	Posted - 2012.01.27 06:40:00 - [63] - Quote I suggest high seccers vote for the Blue Raja so we can some quality cutlery throwing at the CSM meetings. And you can all fork off if you don't.
AnkaD Amok. Goonswarm Federation 9	Posted - 2012.01.27 06:41:00 - [64] - Quote Andski wrote: met worst wrote: Andski wrote: everyone ignores the 600 pound gorilla in the room that is the reason for the nullsec ~takeover~ of the CSM CCP put all sorts of stupid ideas past the last CSM, like "jump bridges are the primary means of force projection" and we ended up with CCP discussing removing jump bridges entirely and nerfing anomalies into the ground. had those changes gone through as presented to the last CSM, nullsec would be dead with a few shell alliances holding space. Admirable but you missed the point. 66% of the Eve playerbase care less. Might actually allow some of 'em to get started and REALLY stir things up. The fat lazy pricks sitting on their fat 0.0 asses while their minions do their bidding is what is ***** the game up. 34% don't know it yet because they don't have to think beyond the next op and/or anom. oh man please keep that crap coming my way tell me more about how nullsec players are mindless drones when it's the highsec publords who are great at doing repetitive tasks mindlessly, i.e. mining, missions and incursions that 66% of the playerbase doesn't give a ** and do not care about the game as long as they can do whatever dumb crap it is they do not empty quoting
None ofthe Above 4	Posted - 2012.01.27 06:42:00 - [65] - Quote met worst wrote: SUPPORT INACTION. A vote for me is a vote for inaction! Tired of the current CSM? Vote for me, I am None ofthe Above!
Lyrrashae Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition 172	Posted - 2012.01.27 06:52:00 - [66] - Quote Tallianna Avenkarde wrote: Met worst is an obvious goon troll to get people to not vote, so that mittens wins the vote by a longshot. Constituents really wanting to make a difference should vote to me,I vow to oppose anything that mittens aggrees with!! "Whatever it is, we're against it!" (Marx Brothers, IIRC) Works for me NO to Drake and Tier 2 Battlecruiser nerfs. NO to Alliances in Faction Warfare NO to "wormhole mass-stabilisers." **** NO to the cancers that are sov-nullsec Alliances metastasising throughout EVE!
met worst Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 96	Posted - 2012.01.27 06:52:00 - [67] - Quote Grumpy Owly wrote: met worst wrote: Quote: "If you must be selfish, then be wise and not narrow-minded in your selfishness. The key point lies in the sense of universal responsibility. That is the real source of strength, the real source of happiness. If we exploit everything available, such as trees, water and minerals, and if we don-¦t plan for our next generation, for the future, then we-¦re at fault, aren-¦t we? However, if we have a genuine sense of universal responsibility as our central motivation, then our relations with the environment, and with all our neighbours, will be well balanced". - his holiness the Dalai Lama Any vote or action FOR the CSM process (irrespective of the candidates or their platforms) is a vote SUPPORTING the current system. As I have said, this is fine if you ARE happy with the current structure. No problem there. But in considering the DL quote, my motivation is by NOT exploiting the current system to gain short term satisfaction but is to look further into how the CSM could be structured for a much longer and more certain future for ALL players. Looking at ways this can be done MIGHT include apathetic (read passive) protest. Sometimes the majority can be most effective by being silent. Interesting that you would see the DL quote as neccesarily targeted at yourself. and his complete view on the matter is: "Sometimes one creates a dynamic impression by saying something, and sometimes one creates as significant an impression by remaining silent." - DL I didn't see your post as a rebuttal. I quoted because I liked it's context in what I am trying to achieve. That's why I paraphrased you're latest DL addition. Unfortunately, to be able to drive this "dynamic impression" I seek I cannot personally be silent. Oh the irony.
Lyrrashae Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition 172	Posted - 2012.01.27 06:55:00 - [68] - Quote Andski wrote: I fully support this. Boycott the vote. Your troll-fu is lacking finesse and panache, Young One. So...Met Worst =...hmmmm....not Mittani, he's usually more openly up-himself about this sort of thing... Vile Rat? Maybe the return of Karttoon? E: Well, whatever--in any case, this thread: It delivers. NO to Drake and Tier 2 Battlecruiser nerfs. NO to Alliances in Faction Warfare NO to "wormhole mass-stabilisers." **** NO to the cancers that are sov-nullsec Alliances metastasising throughout EVE!
Emiko Luan Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium 26	Posted - 2012.01.27 06:56:00 - [69] - Quote Democracy is exactly what you seem to dislike. If you don't vote you have no voice, get that 66% of hisec bears to vote for someone that supports their aims, whatever they are. Or shut up. I lived in empire when I voted last year, I voted for low sec improvements. I hope we get them in time but just saying " we don't care" is not going to help. CCP need input and feedback. What specifically is your issue with them OP? +welcome to my world+ http://venomzer0.deviantart.com
Ladie Harlot GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1458	Posted - 2012.01.27 06:56:00 - [70] - Quote What's wrong with the current CSM? The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
met worst Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 96	Posted - 2012.01.27 06:56:00 - [71] - Quote Tallianna Avenkarde wrote: Met worst is an obvious goon troll to get people to not vote, so that mittens wins the vote by a longshot. Constituents really wanting to make a difference should vote to me,I vow to oppose anything that mittens aggrees with!! How odd. I'm actually saying boycott the damn vote so Mittens and his henchman cannot **** the CSM (and subsequently Eve) over again and then claim credit when someone else actually does the work. Oppostion in method, united in objective.
Lyrrashae Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition 172	Posted - 2012.01.27 06:59:00 - [72] - Quote Ladie Harlot wrote: What's wrong with the current CSM? Oh. Hi, there. You're a bit late, aren't you? NO to Drake and Tier 2 Battlecruiser nerfs. NO to Alliances in Faction Warfare NO to "wormhole mass-stabilisers." **** NO to the cancers that are sov-nullsec Alliances metastasising throughout EVE!
Ladie Harlot GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1458	Posted - 2012.01.27 07:00:00 - [73] - Quote We should get rid of the entire election. Let Mittens, chairman of the most successful CSM in history, choose the rest of the council and go from there. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Tallianna Avenkarde Beasts of Burden 275	Posted - 2012.01.27 07:01:00 - [74] - Quote Boycotting the vote just means you don't have a vote. CCP will not notice, nor care, due to the fact that only a small percentage of people vote anyway. Your opposition will be lost in a sea of apathy. And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell.
met worst Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 96	Posted - 2012.01.27 07:01:00 - [75] - Quote Emiko Luan wrote: Democracy is exactly what you seem to dislike. If you don't vote you have no voice, get that 66% of hisec bears to vote for someone that supports their aims, whatever they are. Or shut up. I lived in empire when I voted last year, I voted for low sec improvements. I hope we get them in time but just saying " we don't care" is not going to help. CCP need input and feedback. What specifically is your issue with them OP? And if you'd had the decency to read the thread you'd see that I'm suggesting giving CCP TRUE feedback by saying the majority DGAF about the CSM by turning their back on it. Happened last time with pisspoor voting turnout - make it even MORE obvious because they missed it.
met worst Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 96	Posted - 2012.01.27 07:03:00 - [76] - Quote Tallianna Avenkarde wrote: Boycotting the vote just means you don't have a vote. CCP will not notice, nor care, due to the fact that only a small percentage of people vote anyway. Your opposition will be lost in a sea of apathy. Bingo. Give the man a Kewpie Doll.
Ladie Harlot GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1458	Posted - 2012.01.27 07:05:00 - [77] - Quote met worst still avoids naming one single example of how CSM 6 has hurt the game. Interesting... The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Tallianna Avenkarde Beasts of Burden 275	Posted - 2012.01.27 07:07:00 - [78] - Quote met worst wrote: Tallianna Avenkarde wrote: Boycotting the vote just means you don't have a vote. CCP will not notice, nor care, due to the fact that only a small percentage of people vote anyway. Your opposition will be lost in a sea of apathy. Bingo. Give the man a Kewpie Doll. Well then Mr Hawking, obviously you are of higher intellect then I, explain how your boycott actually makes a difference? How is one more person not voting in a system where no one votes, making a huge difference? Oh wait I know, Mittens gets in again and you still have something to whine about.. And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell.
Disband the CSM 0	Posted - 2012.01.27 07:13:00 - [79] - Quote Ladie Harlot wrote: What's wrong with the current CSM? RARGH! Argle bargle, yo! We in hisec need represent!
Mnengli Noiliffe Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 25	Posted - 2012.01.27 07:51:00 - [80] - Quote Ladie Harlot wrote: met worst still avoids naming one single example of how CSM 6 has hurt the game. Interesting... not pushing for industry changes. at this rate, CCP will never get down to it and poor industrials will keep suffering forever. although this may be a good thing - abominable industrial clickfest drives more people from this side of the game thus keeping profits high.
Mnengli Noiliffe Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 25	Posted - 2012.01.27 07:56:00 - [81] - Quote Tallianna Avenkarde wrote: Boycotting the vote just means you don't have a vote. CCP will not notice, nor care, due to the fact that only a small percentage of people vote anyway. Your opposition will be lost in a sea of apathy. but then CCP won't be able to keep telling that CSM represents the majority of their customers. as it clearly only represents the small percentage of them instead. what is the point in CSM, then? also, when the whole CSM is from the same marginal group of players, it creates impression that CCP does not really want the remaining majority, which is not good for business.
Marlona Sky EntroPrelatial Vanguard EntroPraetorian Aegis 399	Posted - 2012.01.27 08:03:00 - [82] - Quote Ladie Harlot wrote: We should get rid of the entire election. Let Mittens, chairman of the most successful CSM in history, choose the rest of the council and go from there. I lol'd in RL! Flight of a Thousand Rifters: A Player Event
Tiberius Sunstealer Phantom Soulreavers Axiom Solaris 96	Posted - 2012.01.27 08:30:00 - [83] - Quote Adunh Slavy wrote: Can we write in Ron Paul? RON PAUL! RON PAUL! RON PAUL!
Akrasjel Lanate Naquatech Conglomerate 542	Posted - 2012.01.27 09:20:00 - [84] - Quote met worst wrote: If you truly think as I do that the CSM selection system is flawed, pointless and no more than a 0.0 boys club, don't stand, don't select and don't vote. If CCP can see that the CSM is wasted effort for THE MAJORITY (as it always has been), emphasise the irrelevance by treating it like the festering sore it has become. Force the issue to a fairer method of representation. Better to have no system than a bad system. Show your disgust. DO NOTHING. Idiot, and then 0.0 will have the whole CSM... oh whait
Tallianna Avenkarde Beasts of Burden 275	Posted - 2012.01.27 09:24:00 - [85] - Quote Mnengli Noiliffe wrote: Tallianna Avenkarde wrote: Boycotting the vote just means you don't have a vote. CCP will not notice, nor care, due to the fact that only a small percentage of people vote anyway. Your opposition will be lost in a sea of apathy. but then CCP won't be able to keep telling that CSM represents the majority of their customers. as it clearly only represents the small percentage of them instead. what is the point in CSM, then? also, when the whole CSM is from the same marginal group of players, it creates impression that CCP does not really want the remaining majority, which is not good for business. But the CSM doesnt represent the majority of eve players now. They represent the people that voted for them, and have done pretty well at that IMO. If you want someone other then mittens in the CSM, then all you have to do is make sure as many people in your sphere of influence vote.. Hell how many people are in these incursion channels?? Get them all to vote! Those that can't be bothered to vote, have no right to vote. Me, I'm voting for Jester if he runs, and Lyris if he doesn't v0v And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell.
March rabbit Ganse Shadow of xXDEATHXx 118	Posted - 2012.01.27 10:17:00 - [86] - Quote silent majority will never be heard.... good luck
Samillian Jump.Jump.Jump. 74	Posted - 2012.01.27 10:29:00 - [87] - Quote met worst wrote: If you truly think as I do that the CSM selection system is flawed, pointless and no more than a 0.0 boys club, don't stand, don't select and don't vote. If CCP can see that the CSM is wasted effort for THE MAJORITY (as it always has been), emphasise the irrelevance by treating it like the festering sore it has become. Force the issue to a fairer method of representation. Better to have no system than a bad system. Show your disgust. DO NOTHING. If the majority of players do as you ask how would you be able to tell the difference between the upcoming and and any other CSM election? You wouldn't know if you had support or if the end result was just the ongoing apathy and ignorance of the general EvE resident. I suggest you look "redundant" and "pointless" up in a good dictionary and then go back to the drawing board.
Aruken Marr BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team 30	Posted - 2012.01.27 10:36:00 - [88] - Quote met worst wrote: Better to have no system than a bad system. Actually, no. Democracy has taught us one thing and that is that it's a terrible system. But its the best system we have. Better to have democratic representation than no representation...
baltec1 496	Posted - 2012.01.27 10:37:00 - [89] - Quote Tallianna Avenkarde wrote: But the CSM doesnt represent the majority of eve players now. They represent the people that voted for them, and have done pretty well at that IMO. The current CSM reprisents the majority of people who care enough about this game to vote.
Samantha Utama Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 47	Posted - 2012.01.27 10:45:00 - [90] - Quote 'Not voting' worked out really well last year. Let's get that apathy going a second time around!

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