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Rene Fullchest
Aliastra Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.01.27 00:14:00 -
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met worst wrote:Rene Fullchest wrote:There is a HUGE problem with boycotts, or, more specifically, those that think that any boycott can ever actually achieve what they want it to.
The very fact that one thinks that they need a forum post to attempt to garner more who think thusly is evidence that a boycott can never work.
I don't care where you are from, but a simple study of general political science will tell you that calls for a boycott only work against your own self interests.
The ONLY to effect change is to participate. So you'd rather vote in (and by proxy, support) a flawed system? Seems to be an aggregate view coming out (of the predictables) that CCP can't think for themselves. The CSM is but one small part, but, after reading the latest minutes and listening to the "campaigning", one cannot help but feel that the biased and misguided belief that the CSM will be "majority representation" under the current system may well be skewing what the majority really want. We simply do not know (and quite possibly never will) because the current process disallows any fair selection.
It is what it is.
I vote for those I feel will best represent my views. If I am in the majority, those people get in they will be representing me. If I wind up in the minority, I know that most people don't share my concerns.
That's how politics works. It really is just that simple.
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met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
91
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Posted - 2012.01.27 00:18:00 -
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Bartholemu Fu-Baz wrote:met worst wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:Stupid question but... if we don't vote, and the null fiolks vote who they want in, don't we just lose?
No message, we just suffer for stupidity and lack of organization. An even greater lack of interest (than previously) let's CCP become aware (if they aren't already) that the CSM does NOT neccessarily represent the majority and reduces the CSM's belief it is a "representative entity". This could force a better and fairer system. CCP is quite aware that there are issues. Maybe they need to understand how bad it really is. Keep in mind this is my view and just like any political agenda, my stance is for doing nothing to prove the point. Not simply doing something within a flawed system, calling it a democracy and be damned the consequences. I suspect you'll need something a bit more aggressive than sitting and doing nothing during the voting process to "force" change. I think that's what people are trying to tell you. I got that bit but read my post #26. The CSM is NOT the ruling party and the decision to have/not have a CSM is OUTSIDE of the CSMs control anyway. You'd need a majority vote within the CSM to change itself. Ain't gonna happen.
Ever seen a politician vote AGAINST a payrise/perk (based on "principles") and get supported by his peers?
Regardless, the ruling body, (CCP), can disband/remodel the CSM if the consensus shows lack of interest for whatever reason. It does NOT need the CSM to make the call - the motivation can come from external factors.
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Ai Shun
184
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Posted - 2012.01.27 00:29:00 -
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met worst wrote:We simply do not know (and quite possibly never will) because the current process disallows any fair selection.
I don't understand this.
Everyone can stand. They just need the support to do so. There are powerblocks that has the support; although I do not know how they mandate and enforce the votes of their members. But for now, let's assume they can control the entire block vote.
So what is the problem?
There is no feasible candidate standing that can attract the support and vote of the apathetic group that does not care enough to field a candidate. They must either be happy with the current status of things and happy with the direction or they do not care at all or they feel it is a pointless exercise.
Of those three potential reasons (There may be more) the first and the second is understandable. The third? It is stupid, because it would not be pointless if they actually had a candidate.
So what is the solution?
You need a single candidate that can stand and attract the vote of those who don't care about the whole thing. There is no flaw in the CSM, no flaw in the process. The flaw lies with those that don't give a flying ****. And you are painting it as if they do.
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Jacob Stiller
The Scope Gallente Federation
1111
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Posted - 2012.01.27 00:35:00 -
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I interpreted your thread title as "Boycott the CSM selection process by voting." With this much confusion, I'll wind up voting for Pat Buchanan. |
Marlona Sky
EntroPrelatial Vanguard EntroPraetorian Aegis
394
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Posted - 2012.01.27 00:36:00 -
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Doing nothing is how you ended up with the current body for CSM 6 you idiot.
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ILikeMarkets
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2012.01.27 00:38:00 -
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I don't disagree with what you are saying, but I do disagree with how you want to do it. This helps the 0.0 bears more than it helps us. Not voting is effectively the same as voting for a 0.0 player, as 0.0 corps WILL vote for their own. So if we don't vote, we just make sure there is no competition for them. Protect highsec.-áWe are the 66%.
https://p.twimg.com/Ajc6KNBCQAAT9my.png (Source: https://twitter.com/ccp_diagoras ) |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
559
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Posted - 2012.01.27 01:21:00 -
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met worst wrote:If you truly think as I do that the CSM selection system is flawed, pointless and no more than a 0.0 boys club, don't stand, don't select and don't vote.
If CCP can see that the CSM is wasted effort for THE MAJORITY (as it always has been), emphasise the irrelevance by treating it like the festering sore it has become.
Force the issue to a fairer method of representation. Better to have no system than a bad system.
Show your disgust. DO NOTHING.
Or do this and get someone that would fight fo you elected!
The Voice of Reason Party
We can make this happen!
Issler |
met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
93
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Posted - 2012.01.27 01:35:00 -
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ILikeMarkets wrote:I don't disagree with what you are saying, but I do disagree with how you want to do it. This helps the 0.0 bears more than it helps us. Not voting is effectively the same as voting for a 0.0 player, as 0.0 corps WILL vote for their own. So if we don't vote, we just make sure there is no competition for them. And you don't think that CCP - as the executive body - is going to sit up and notice the lack of efficacy of the current system when no-one can be bothered voting? It MUST already be in their radar range!
Perhaps you're not seeing what I am saying - 0.0 can HAVE the CSM under the current structure. A minority group can only govern with the SUPPORT of the majority. The CSM is NOT a ruling body and can be dumped/remodelled/restructred IF and ONLY IF CCP have the pretext to do so.
NOT voting or even totally ignoring the process will disempower the CSM. Utterly. CCP will be forced to restructure. They cannot act upon anything the CSM puts forward and claim a mandate to do so with such minimal support.
TBH, supporting the current system by using it will only fuel the status quo. Which, in fairness, is fine if it should go that way. But the message about the efficacy of the CSM needs to be sent to the executive body, not the voters.
My stance and my view is to boycott and kill the current process for want of a better one.
It's a political campaign and policy in and of itself.
SUPPORT INACTION. |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
268
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Posted - 2012.01.27 02:04:00 -
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Vote for me for CSM! I'm oblivious to anyone else's needs!! Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.01.27 02:09:00 -
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Please indeed do not vote.
We'll do our best to take up the slack for you. |
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Ganagati
Perkone Caldari State
37
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Posted - 2012.01.27 02:10:00 -
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met worst wrote:ILikeMarkets wrote:I don't disagree with what you are saying, but I do disagree with how you want to do it. This helps the 0.0 bears more than it helps us. Not voting is effectively the same as voting for a 0.0 player, as 0.0 corps WILL vote for their own. So if we don't vote, we just make sure there is no competition for them. And you don't think that CCP - as the executive body - is going to sit up and notice the lack of efficacy of the current system when no-one can be bothered voting? It MUST already be in their radar range! Perhaps you're not seeing what I am saying - 0.0 can HAVE the CSM under the current structure. A minority group can only govern with the SUPPORT of the majority. The CSM is NOT a ruling body and can be dumped/remodelled/restructred IF and ONLY IF CCP have the pretext to do so. NOT voting or even totally ignoring the process will disempower the CSM. Utterly. CCP will be forced to restructure. They cannot act upon anything the CSM puts forward and claim a mandate to do so with such minimal support. TBH, supporting the current system by using it will only fuel the status quo. Which, in fairness, is fine if it should go that way. But the message about the efficacy of the CSM needs to be sent to the executive body, not the voters. My stance and my view is to boycott and kill the current process for want of a better one. It's a political campaign and policy in and of itself. SUPPORT INACTION.
So... highsec players don't vote, allowing lowsec and 0.0 to vote for whoever they want without competition?
...
I see what you did there.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1698
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Posted - 2012.01.27 02:13:00 -
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I fully support this. Boycott the vote. |
Rene Fullchest
Aliastra Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.01.27 02:13:00 -
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met worst wrote:ILikeMarkets wrote:I don't disagree with what you are saying, but I do disagree with how you want to do it. This helps the 0.0 bears more than it helps us. Not voting is effectively the same as voting for a 0.0 player, as 0.0 corps WILL vote for their own. So if we don't vote, we just make sure there is no competition for them. And you don't think that CCP - as the executive body - is going to sit up and notice the lack of efficacy of the current system when no-one can be bothered voting? It MUST already be in their radar range! Perhaps you're not seeing what I am saying - 0.0 can HAVE the CSM under the current structure. A minority group can only govern with the SUPPORT of the majority. The CSM is NOT a ruling body and can be dumped/remodelled/restructred IF and ONLY IF CCP have the pretext to do so. NOT voting or even totally ignoring the process will disempower the CSM. Utterly. CCP will be forced to restructure. They cannot act upon anything the CSM puts forward and claim a mandate to do so with such minimal support. TBH, supporting the current system by using it will only fuel the status quo. Which, in fairness, is fine if it should go that way. But the message about the efficacy of the CSM needs to be sent to the executive body, not the voters. My stance and my view is to boycott and kill the current process for want of a better one. It's a political campaign and policy in and of itself. SUPPORT INACTION.
And what you do not seem to fathom is that for your plan to work it would need ALL active players to make that statement.
Of course, this will not happen, so your notion as to how to effect change is null on its face.
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met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
94
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Posted - 2012.01.27 02:19:00 -
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Rene Fullchest wrote:met worst wrote:ILikeMarkets wrote:I don't disagree with what you are saying, but I do disagree with how you want to do it. This helps the 0.0 bears more than it helps us. Not voting is effectively the same as voting for a 0.0 player, as 0.0 corps WILL vote for their own. So if we don't vote, we just make sure there is no competition for them. And you don't think that CCP - as the executive body - is going to sit up and notice the lack of efficacy of the current system when no-one can be bothered voting? It MUST already be in their radar range! Perhaps you're not seeing what I am saying - 0.0 can HAVE the CSM under the current structure. A minority group can only govern with the SUPPORT of the majority. The CSM is NOT a ruling body and can be dumped/remodelled/restructred IF and ONLY IF CCP have the pretext to do so. NOT voting or even totally ignoring the process will disempower the CSM. Utterly. CCP will be forced to restructure. They cannot act upon anything the CSM puts forward and claim a mandate to do so with such minimal support. TBH, supporting the current system by using it will only fuel the status quo. Which, in fairness, is fine if it should go that way. But the message about the efficacy of the CSM needs to be sent to the executive body, not the voters. My stance and my view is to boycott and kill the current process for want of a better one. It's a political campaign and policy in and of itself. SUPPORT INACTION. And what you do not seem to fathom is that for your plan to work it would need ALL active players to make that statement. Of course, this will not happen, so your notion as to how to effect change is null on its face. Not ALL, never was. I'm campaigning to make a flawed minority system even less important. I don't need a majority to do much, they're already doing it.
Nobody is seriously asking why. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1698
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Posted - 2012.01.27 02:26:00 -
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everyone ignores the 600 pound gorilla in the room that is the reason for the nullsec ~takeover~ of the CSM
CCP put all sorts of stupid ideas past the last CSM, like "jump bridges are the primary means of force projection" and we ended up with CCP discussing removing jump bridges entirely and nerfing anomalies into the ground.
had those changes gone through as presented to the last CSM, nullsec would be dead with a few shell alliances holding space. |
met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
94
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Posted - 2012.01.27 02:40:00 -
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Andski wrote:everyone ignores the 600 pound gorilla in the room that is the reason for the nullsec ~takeover~ of the CSM
CCP put all sorts of stupid ideas past the last CSM, like "jump bridges are the primary means of force projection" and we ended up with CCP discussing removing jump bridges entirely and nerfing anomalies into the ground.
had those changes gone through as presented to the last CSM, nullsec would be dead with a few shell alliances holding space. Admirable but you missed the point. 66% of the Eve playerbase care less.
Might actually allow some of 'em to get started and REALLY stir things up.
The fat lazy pricks sitting on their fat 0.0 asses while their minions do their bidding is what is ******* the game up. 34% don't know it yet because they don't have to think beyond the next op and/or anom. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1698
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Posted - 2012.01.27 02:50:00 -
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met worst wrote:Andski wrote:everyone ignores the 600 pound gorilla in the room that is the reason for the nullsec ~takeover~ of the CSM
CCP put all sorts of stupid ideas past the last CSM, like "jump bridges are the primary means of force projection" and we ended up with CCP discussing removing jump bridges entirely and nerfing anomalies into the ground.
had those changes gone through as presented to the last CSM, nullsec would be dead with a few shell alliances holding space. Admirable but you missed the point. 66% of the Eve playerbase care less. Might actually allow some of 'em to get started and REALLY stir things up. The fat lazy pricks sitting on their fat 0.0 asses while their minions do their bidding is what is ******* the game up. 34% don't know it yet because they don't have to think beyond the next op and/or anom.
oh man please keep that crap coming my way
tell me more about how nullsec players are mindless drones when it's the highsec publords who are great at doing repetitive tasks mindlessly, i.e. mining, missions and incursions
that 66% of the playerbase doesn't give a **** and do not care about the game as long as they can do whatever dumb crap it is they do |
Caldari Citizen 786478786
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2012.01.27 02:52:00 -
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Boycotts are dumb. They solve nothing. A better idea would be to focus your rage into finding and electing a candidate who represents what you believe in. Whining on the forums and shouting names at people who choose to play EVE in Nullsec does nothing to help your cause or your image. |
None ofthe Above
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.01.27 04:20:00 -
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Don't boycott!
Vote for me!
Tired of the current CSM? Vote for me, I am None ofthe Above!
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Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
119
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Posted - 2012.01.27 06:08:00 -
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Caldari Citizen 786478786 wrote:Boycotts are dumb. They solve nothing. A better idea would be to focus your rage into finding and electing a candidate who represents what you believe in. Whining on the forums and shouting names at people who choose to play EVE in Nullsec does nothing to help your cause or your image.
QFT.
I totally agree that I will not be voting for any candidate or supporting any campign whose sole purpose will be about CSM problematic members regardless of how much I agree with it to be an issue.
I will simply be looking at what the person stands for and wether or not their manifesto represents my interests. As I want to see a person capable of not being embroiled in the petty metawin politics, but someone who has a purposeful intention of making the EvE game and it's community a much better experience and wishes to focus their energies into such.
Had this been the attitude of some of the existing CSM I doubt the community would be so dissaffected with the voting process and what the CSM does. Which is a shame given CCPs intentions in the first place. But then I suppose, certain elements of this gaming community will seek to try and control you and your interests for purely their own selfish motivations who are ruining the EvE experience and thinking its "Kewl" in the process.
On a lighter more philisophical note, couple of quotations:
"Some men just want to see the world burn" - Alfred, Dark Knight
"If you must be selfish, then be wise and not narrow-minded in your selfishness. The key point lies in the sense of universal responsibility. That is the real source of strength, the real source of happiness. If we exploit everything available, such as trees, water and minerals, and if we don-¦t plan for our next generation, for the future, then we-¦re at fault, aren-¦t we? However, if we have a genuine sense of universal responsibility as our central motivation, then our relations with the environment, and with all our neighbours, will be well balanced". - his holiness the Dalai Lama
"All griefers are lazy cowards with the current climate of broken player policing systems." |
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Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
172
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Posted - 2012.01.27 06:14:00 -
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met worst wrote:If you truly think as I do that the CSM selection system is flawed, pointless and no more than a 0.0 boys club, don't stand, don't select and don't vote.
If CCP can see that the CSM is wasted effort for THE MAJORITY (as it always has been), emphasise the irrelevance by treating it like the festering sore it has become.
Force the issue to a fairer method of representation. Better to have no system than a bad system.
Show your disgust. DO NOTHING.
Because doing nothing, and then complaining about the resulting ****-sandwich is always better than doing something, amirite?
[/sarcasm] NO to Drake and Tier 2 Battlecruiser nerfs. NO to Alliances in Faction Warfare NO to "wormhole mass-stabilisers." **** NO to the cancers that are sov-nullsec Alliances metastasising throughout EVE! |
met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
96
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Posted - 2012.01.27 06:16:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Caldari Citizen 786478786 wrote:Boycotts are dumb. They solve nothing. A better idea would be to focus your rage into finding and electing a candidate who represents what you believe in. Whining on the forums and shouting names at people who choose to play EVE in Nullsec does nothing to help your cause or your image. QFT. I totally agree that I will not be voting for any candidate or supporting any campign whose sole purpose will be about CSM problematic members regardless of how much I agree with it to be an issue. I will simply be looking at what the person stands for and wether or not their manifesto represents my interests. As I want to see a person capable of not being embroiled in the petty metawin politics, but someone who has a purposeful intention of making the EvE game and it's community a much better experience and wishes to focus their energies into such. Had this been the attitude of some of the existing CSM I doubt the community would be so dissaffected with the voting process and what the CSM does. Which is a shame given CCPs intentions in the first place. But then I suppose, certain elements of this gaming community will seek to try and control you and your interests for purely their own selfish motivations who are ruining the EvE experience and thinking its "Kewl" in the process. On a lighter more philisophical note, couple of quotations: "Some men just want to see the world burn" - Alfred, Dark Knight"If you must be selfish, then be wise and not narrow-minded in your selfishness. The key point lies in the sense of universal responsibility. That is the real source of strength, the real source of happiness. If we exploit everything available, such as trees, water and minerals, and if we don-¦t plan for our next generation, for the future, then we-¦re at fault, aren-¦t we? However, if we have a genuine sense of universal responsibility as our central motivation, then our relations with the environment, and with all our neighbours, will be well balanced". - his holiness the Dalai Lama Any vote or action FOR the CSM process (irrespective of the candidates or their platforms) is a vote SUPPORTING the current system. As I have said, this is fine if you ARE happy with the current structure. No problem there.
But in considering the DL quote, my motivation is by NOT exploiting the current system to gain short term satisfaction but is to look further into how the CSM *could* be structured for a much longer and more certain future for ALL players.
Looking at ways this can be done MIGHT include apathetic (read passive) protest.
Sometimes the majority can be most effective by being silent. |
EnslaverOfMinmatar
BRAPELILLE MACRO BOT MINERS
3
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Posted - 2012.01.27 06:17:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Can we write in Ron Paul?
IBTL Nope. He was renamed to Spooner Freeman Every EVE player must read this http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=29-01-07 or uninstall and DIAF |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
530
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Posted - 2012.01.27 06:18:00 -
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hey guys, lets boycott the vote to make our voice heard! |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
172
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Posted - 2012.01.27 06:24:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Just vote me in as a write in. I promises to do sweet **** all for my entire term. Odds are pretty good I won't even be bothered to get on the Icelandic gravy train...er...plane. I can't be bought because I'm already rich and frankly, I just don't give a **** about what any of you think. I only care about the needs of Mr. Epeen. Actually, come to think of it, I'm pretty much like the current CSM.. As you were. Mr Epeen
You have my vote!
(And my Quarterstaff of Ass-beating +5, mustn't forget that...) NO to Drake and Tier 2 Battlecruiser nerfs. NO to Alliances in Faction Warfare NO to "wormhole mass-stabilisers." **** NO to the cancers that are sov-nullsec Alliances metastasising throughout EVE! |
met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
96
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Posted - 2012.01.27 06:25:00 -
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Lyrrashae wrote:met worst wrote:If you truly think as I do that the CSM selection system is flawed, pointless and no more than a 0.0 boys club, don't stand, don't select and don't vote.
If CCP can see that the CSM is wasted effort for THE MAJORITY (as it always has been), emphasise the irrelevance by treating it like the festering sore it has become.
Force the issue to a fairer method of representation. Better to have no system than a bad system.
Show your disgust. DO NOTHING.
Because doing nothing, and then complaining about the resulting ****-sandwich is always better than doing something, amirite? [/sarcasm] lol. Tell me honestly now Lyrrashae (and from what I can understand you've thrown your hat in the ring), do you think you will get voted in on a highsec platform. If not you, who? And even if a highseccer DOES get in, how influential do you think they can be?
Now tell me that if the total vote was decimated by disinterest, whether CCP would take a SERIOUS look at what WILL work?
As I said above, the majority can make the loudest noise by saying the least. An inaction can carry far more weight than any action if used appropriately. |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
172
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Posted - 2012.01.27 06:29:00 -
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I'm not sure which nulltard concern you're hiding behind that generic forum alt, OP, but I must say...
Well-played, mate, well-played!
Troll-rating: 9/10 (-1 for slight lack of subtlety, but damned if it doesn't get the job done!)
[/golfclap] NO to Drake and Tier 2 Battlecruiser nerfs. NO to Alliances in Faction Warfare NO to "wormhole mass-stabilisers." **** NO to the cancers that are sov-nullsec Alliances metastasising throughout EVE! |
met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
96
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Posted - 2012.01.27 06:29:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:hey guys, lets boycott the vote to make our voice heard! In isolation that's a funny comment.
In context it adds weight to my point. THIS is what people will be voting for - arrogance and indifference from 0.0. |
Zimmy Zeta
Battle Force Industries Tactical Invader Syndicate
763
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Posted - 2012.01.27 06:33:00 -
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I am impressed how OP managed to attract most of the most prolific trolls on here within only three pages. Good job, OP.
Quote:met worst uses Summon Troll Level 20 ... ..... it is super effective -.- |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
172
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Posted - 2012.01.27 06:36:00 -
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met worst wrote:Lyrrashae wrote:met worst wrote:If you truly think as I do that the CSM selection system is flawed, pointless and no more than a 0.0 boys club, don't stand, don't select and don't vote.
If CCP can see that the CSM is wasted effort for THE MAJORITY (as it always has been), emphasise the irrelevance by treating it like the festering sore it has become.
Force the issue to a fairer method of representation. Better to have no system than a bad system.
Show your disgust. DO NOTHING.
Because doing nothing, and then complaining about the resulting ****-sandwich is always better than doing something, amirite? [/sarcasm] lol. Tell me honestly now Lyrrashae (and from what I can understand you've thrown your hat in the ring), do you think you will get voted in on a highsec platform. If not you, who? And even if a highseccer DOES get in, how influential do you think they can be? Now tell me that if the total vote was decimated by disinterest, whether CCP would take a SERIOUS look at what WILL work? As I said above, the majority can make the loudest noise by saying the least. An inaction can carry far more weight than any action if used appropriately.
I've considered throwing my hat in.
The chances of me doing so, after some dealings with the certain examples of the "average" playerbase in the thread you indirectly reference have taught me that I would make a really crap politician, and it's really not for me....But maybe I still might, who knows?
My platform would not be hisec exclusively. Empire-PvP (NB for the terminally confused: Losec is empire-space, too) and wormhole-generalist, thank you very much.
"And even if a highseccer DOES get in, how influential do you think they can be?" (Forum troll-alt)
Thank you for proving your affiliations with your generic condescension to any/all non-null players. Once again, whose sock-puppet are you?
NO to Drake and Tier 2 Battlecruiser nerfs. NO to Alliances in Faction Warfare NO to "wormhole mass-stabilisers." **** NO to the cancers that are sov-nullsec Alliances metastasising throughout EVE! |
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