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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
62
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Posted - 2012.01.27 04:21:00 -
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Because people who play in high sec and who aren't alts of any other group aren't as passionate about the game. And being passionate about the game is needed to become a CSM representative.. it's additional stress and work besides playing this game, which even after you did it to the best of your knowledge and ability in 90% of the cases earns you mockery and verbal abuse. For people who are just playing casually this is not feasible. So the only ones, who rally for CSM and take the downsides are those who get something out of it for their group.
It's funny though.. a very large group, composed of casual players has no voice because of the nature of it's members. 
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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1320
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Posted - 2012.01.27 04:23:00 -
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true ..
people living in high sec got nothing real to gain ..
people living in large blocks in null on the other hand.. have their own reason to become rich 
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None ofthe Above
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.01.27 04:26:00 -
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Cynicism got you down? Vote for me!
Tired of the current CSM? Vote for me, I am None ofthe Above!
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Mr M
Agony Unleashed
93
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Posted - 2012.01.27 04:36:00 -
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There's been highsec delegates, not impossible that there will be new ones. But that wont happen as long as people don't care to vote.
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Caldari Citizen 786478786
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
34
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Posted - 2012.01.27 04:42:00 -
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Tres Farmer wrote:Because people who play in high sec and who aren't alts of any other group aren't as passionate about the game. And being passionate about the game is needed to become a CSM representative.. it's additional stress and work besides playing this game, which even after you did it to the best of your knowledge and ability in 90% of the cases earns you mockery and verbal abuse. For people who are just playing casually this is not feasible. So the only ones, who rally for CSM and take the downsides are those who get something out of it for their group. It's funny though.. a very large group, composed of casual players has no voice because of the nature of it's members. 
So wait, what you're saying is, people who play the game only in high-sec and play the game casually aren't passionate about the game? I won't go so far as to say that's the dumbest thing I've ever read on these forums, but it is the dumbest thing I've read today. EVE's sandbox means a whole lot of different things to a whole lot of different people and where one chooses to spend his/her time and how much time he/she chooses to spend there has zero impact on how passionate they are about the game. By your logic, anybody with a full-time job and a family can't enjoy EVE or influence it's future through the CSM as much as somebody who may be unemployed, bathes far too infrequently and post far too often on teh forumz. |

Shukuzen Kiraa
47-Ronin Outer Ring Excavations Syndicate
44
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Posted - 2012.01.27 04:47:00 -
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Only took reading the first line to realize you had no idea wtf you were talking about. |

Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
271
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Posted - 2012.01.27 04:47:00 -
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Tres Farmer wrote:Because people who play in high sec and who aren't alts of any other group aren't as passionate about the game. And being passionate about the game is needed to become a CSM representative.. it's additional stress and work besides playing this game, which even after you did it to the best of your knowledge and ability in 90% of the cases earns you mockery and verbal abuse. For people who are just playing casually this is not feasible. So the only ones, who rally for CSM and take the downsides are those who get something out of it for their group. It's funny though.. a very large group, composed of casual players has no voice because of the nature of it's members.  OH, bull. Nice bit of speculating there, regardless of how misguided.
Vote for me for CSM. I care! (About what, I have NO idea.) Anyone with any sense has already left town. |

Cannibal Kane
Count With Teddy Mercenaries
219
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Posted - 2012.01.27 04:49:00 -
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I'm very passionate about the game. Everything I do I do mostly in high... sometimes in low sec and have been in 0.0 very little.
I can get everything I want from High. It is as simple as that. "Demoralize the Enemy from within by Surprise, Terror, Sabotage, Assassination. This method of Guarilla Warfare is the only Method of Warfare for me"
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Wot I Think
State War Academy Caldari State
254
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Posted - 2012.01.27 04:51:00 -
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C A M P ! |

Zirse
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
213
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Posted - 2012.01.27 04:56:00 -
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My only question for our future highsec candidates is which one of you is the best spoon thrower? |

Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
26
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Posted - 2012.01.27 05:06:00 -
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Why would casual high sec players need a CSM representative anyways?
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Ai Shun
187
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Posted - 2012.01.27 05:27:00 -
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Caldari Citizen 786478786 wrote:I won't go so far as to say that's the dumbest thing I've ever read on these forums, but it is the dumbest thing I've read today.
You haven't read a post by Met Worst or Lyrashae today then, have you? |

Aiwha
101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
109
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Posted - 2012.01.27 05:33:00 -
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Patient 2428190 wrote:Why would casual high sec players need a CSM representative anyways?
The CSM has turned its collective gaze on the isk faucet that is the Incursions. Regards,
LCpl. Aiwha-á Senior Recruiter |

met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
96
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Posted - 2012.01.27 05:38:00 -
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Tres Farmer wrote:Because people who play in high sec and who aren't alts of any other group aren't as passionate about the game. And being passionate about the game is needed to become a CSM representative.. it's additional stress and work besides playing this game, which even after you did it to the best of your knowledge and ability in 90% of the cases earns you mockery and verbal abuse. For people who are just playing casually this is not feasible. So the only ones, who rally for CSM and take the downsides are those who get something out of it for their group. It's funny though.. a very large group, composed of casual players has no voice because of the nature of it's members.  The problem is not passion. The problem is a fracturing of the vote because there is no single cause to gravitate a vote and each corp/alliance in highsec is generally a very small affair. They don't need to be big to survive so there is no motivation to "form up" as it were.
0.0 alliance loyalty (and bribery) accounts for a largest portion of the CSM and this cannot be countered by 10,000 different corps/alliances even if there was unity in objectives. Most people DGAF about 0.0 but 0.0 is the only one with the means to secure the vote simply because of it's very structure. It's fait accompli before the first election shot is even fired.
We need the selection system to be sector based (how is the question) so candidates AND voters will have motivation and impetus to stand or vote for at LEAST one candidate within the region they are resident.
Only then will their interest be charged up enough to act.
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Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
376
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Posted - 2012.01.27 05:38:00 -
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Mr M wrote:There's been highsec delegates, not impossible that there will be new ones. But that wont happen as long as people don't care to vote.
There it is, that's all true.
It's not a problem about a shortage of suitable delegates, it's a problem of the apathy of most Highsec dwellers who simply remain ignorant about the entire CSM process. Or, knowing about the process, are simply are not bothered to vote as an odd, self-defeating form of "protest" on their part. This makes them think that in this way, they are then allowed to spew crap at a later date when they see things happening which they do not agree with. Then they blame the CSM for all their sorrows and woes, and "who voted for you anyway?" and "Highsec does not have a chance" and so on.
The candidates are there.
Vote - and have at least some modicum of inner peace knowing that when you have a gripe about something going-on in or with this game, you can at least voice your concern from a position of having being a participant.
Don't Vote - and have at least a modicum of decency to stop complaining like an unpaid hooker, knowing that you could not give a crap about ensuring that someone who was at least somewhat representing some of your interests and concerns, was not in the CSM - because of your little "non-contribution".
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |

Zirse
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
213
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Posted - 2012.01.27 05:40:00 -
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Aiwha wrote:Patient 2428190 wrote:Why would casual high sec players need a CSM representative anyways?
The CSM has turned its collective gaze on the isk faucet that is the Incursions.
Begun, the CSM war has.
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met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
96
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Posted - 2012.01.27 05:43:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Caldari Citizen 786478786 wrote:I won't go so far as to say that's the dumbest thing I've ever read on these forums, but it is the dumbest thing I've read today. You haven't read a post by Met Worst or Lyrashae today then, have you? What's dumb is people saying things are dumb simply because they do not agree. Thank **** the world was full of smarter people before you came along. You wouldn't have a vote - you'd be told who the boss is. A bit like our current CSM. It's a foregone and I, along with many others are challenging the process.
As someone said - the CSM is the REAL part of Eve and the "lack of rules" employed WITHIN the game should not apply externally.
If you are so damned right that the status quo is fine and "works" then YOU have nothing to worry about anyway do you? |

met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
96
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Posted - 2012.01.27 05:51:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote:Mr M wrote:There's been highsec delegates, not impossible that there will be new ones. But that wont happen as long as people don't care to vote. There it is, that's all true. It's not a problem about a shortage of suitable delegates, it's a problem of the apathy of most Highsec dwellers who simply remain ignorant about the entire CSM process. Or, knowing about the process, are simply are not bothered to vote as an odd, self-defeating form of "protest" on their part. This makes them think that in this way, they are then allowed to spew crap at a later date when they see things happening which they do not agree with. Then they blame the CSM for all their sorrows and woes, and "who voted for you anyway?" and "Highsec does not have a chance" and so on. The candidates are there. Vote - and have at least some modicum of inner peace knowing that when you have a gripe about something going-on in or with this game, you can at least voice your concern from a position of having being a participant. Don't Vote - and have at least a modicum of decency to stop complaining like an unpaid hooker, knowing that you could not give a crap about ensuring that someone who was at least somewhat representing some of your interests and concerns, was not in the CSM - because of your little "non-contribution". A load of drivel. It's not all apathy, it's not a lack of understanding, it's frustration at a ****** system.
People can't be bothered because it DOES NOT represent them properly. The sandbox in Eve ensures neccessity for large 0.0 alliance blocs (they HAVE to be big to survive). Highsec does NOT have the need to "survive" and it negates the neccessity for highsec to form up.
The CSM system fails at the fundamental level because it does NOT address that single intrinsic imbalance.
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Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
45
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Posted - 2012.01.27 05:52:00 -
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Zirse wrote:My only question for our future highsec candidates is which one of you is the best spoon thrower?
Paging the Blue Raja |

Zirse
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
215
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Posted - 2012.01.27 05:58:00 -
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met worst wrote:Thorn Galen wrote:Mr M wrote:There's been highsec delegates, not impossible that there will be new ones. But that wont happen as long as people don't care to vote. There it is, that's all true. It's not a problem about a shortage of suitable delegates, it's a problem of the apathy of most Highsec dwellers who simply remain ignorant about the entire CSM process. Or, knowing about the process, are simply are not bothered to vote as an odd, self-defeating form of "protest" on their part. This makes them think that in this way, they are then allowed to spew crap at a later date when they see things happening which they do not agree with. Then they blame the CSM for all their sorrows and woes, and "who voted for you anyway?" and "Highsec does not have a chance" and so on. The candidates are there. Vote - and have at least some modicum of inner peace knowing that when you have a gripe about something going-on in or with this game, you can at least voice your concern from a position of having being a participant. Don't Vote - and have at least a modicum of decency to stop complaining like an unpaid hooker, knowing that you could not give a crap about ensuring that someone who was at least somewhat representing some of your interests and concerns, was not in the CSM - because of your little "non-contribution". A load of drivel. It's not all apathy, it's not a lack of understanding, it's frustration at a ****** system. People can't be bothered because it DOES NOT represent them properly. The sandbox in Eve ensures neccessity for large 0.0 alliance blocs (they HAVE to be big to survive). Highsec does NOT have the need to "survive" and it negates the neccessity for highsec to form up. The CSM system fails at the fundamental level because it does NOT address that single intrinsic imbalance.
The only election null has ever controlled was the last one. Are you implying that highseccers everywhere have given up after one election? Or that they gave up even before the outcome of the last one was assured? (I do recall a somewhat serious 'save the csm' campaign being run by mynxee or something similar.)
Highsec has the ability to be very well represented in the CSM they just lack the will or the desire to get it done. |

Ai Shun
189
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Posted - 2012.01.27 05:59:00 -
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met worst wrote:If you are so damned right that the status quo is fine and "works" then YOU have nothing to worry about anyway do you?
I'm not worried. What gives you the idea I'm worried?
And Met, while you throw generalizations around; deliberately misrepresent events and have your posts carefully dissected and disproved by people like Rubyporto I'll keep on thinking of you as a dummy. A whiny dummy.
Why do you worry what some random person on the internet thinks about you anyway? You have a CSM to take down. After all, with no CSM. No wait. You wanted 7-9 mini CSMs. No wait. It was geographical regions. No wait ... |

met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
96
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Posted - 2012.01.27 06:08:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:met worst wrote:If you are so damned right that the status quo is fine and "works" then YOU have nothing to worry about anyway do you? I'm not worried. What gives you the idea I'm worried? And Met, while you throw generalizations around; deliberately misrepresent events and have your posts carefully dissected and disproved by people like Rubyporto I'll keep on thinking of you as a dummy. A whiny dummy. Why do you worry what some random person on the internet thinks about you anyway? You have a CSM to take down. After all, with no CSM. No wait. You wanted 7-9 mini CSMs. No wait. It was geographical regions. No wait ... Speaking of dissect posts. In context everything you're being a "whiny baby" about is valid reasoning. In context.
I'm not stupid enough to state that any OTHER system WILL work as you clearly believe. Never have.
What I AM stating is the CURRENT system does not work and putting forward POSSIBLE reasons and POSSIBLE solutions.
I'm putting forward alternatives, not trying, as you are, to defend the indefensible by trying to shoot the messenger. |

Ai Shun
189
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Posted - 2012.01.27 06:15:00 -
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met worst wrote:Speaking of dissect posts. In context everything you're being a "whiny baby" about is valid reasoning. In context.
Like the one about Insurance? Yeah, pull the other one. It has tritanium on it.
met worst wrote:I'm putting forward alternatives, not trying, as you are, to defend the indefensible by trying to shoot the messenger.
Except your problem that you're so duly carrying messages for does not exist. You've not been able to show the CSM is corrupt / biased / ignoring everything else in favour of null or anything else. You can only do so by taking single line quotes out of context. You ignore the reasoning behind changes.
In essence, you have are trumpeting for a single agenda.
Ah fuckit. I can't be bothered. Seriously, it's quarter past seven on a Friday night. Why the **** am I discussing this with you? |

Mr M
Agony Unleashed
94
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Posted - 2012.01.27 06:20:00 -
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We in the Gate Camp party promise to perform YMCA outside CCP's office in Reykjavik if we get elected.
Vote Gate Caaamp 2012!
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None ofthe Above
1
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Posted - 2012.01.27 06:22:00 -
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Zirse wrote:My only question for our future highsec candidates is which one of you is the best spoon thrower?
There is no spoon.
Tired of the current CSM? Vote for me, I am None ofthe Above!
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Tallianna Avenkarde
Beasts of Burden
275
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Posted - 2012.01.27 06:54:00 -
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I absolutley love the fact that hiseccers cannot point to a single existance of corruption within the CSM, and cannot admit, even to themselves, that the only reason that they are complaining is because CSM Mittens and CSM Darius like to enjoy a little suicide ganking and griefing (both not only allowed by CCP, but actually encouraged)
If you want a hisec rep, vote for the head of EVE-Uni, simple as that.
I bet none of you whiny pricks even bothered to take your cheetoh stained fingers and clicked the vote button at the last election.
v0v
And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell. |

Emiko Luan
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
27
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Posted - 2012.01.27 07:03:00 -
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Tallianna Avenkarde wrote:I absolutley love the fact that hiseccers cannot point to a single existance of corruption within the CSM, and cannot admit, even to themselves, that the only reason that they are complaining is because CSM Mittens and CSM Darius like to enjoy a little suicide ganking and griefing (both not only allowed by CCP, but actually encouraged)
If you want a hisec rep, vote for the head of EVE-Uni, simple as that.
I bet none of you whiny pricks even bothered to take your cheetoh stained fingers and clicked the vote button at the last election.
v0v
This. Just find a candidate you agree with and vote for them, and then tell your other hisec friends to vote for them too, you'd only need a small fraction of the entire of hisec (since you whiners constantly bring up your majority status) to vote for one person.
You can't expect to get anything done if you put no effort in. oh wait, you can if you live in hisec..
Stop whining until you've actually done something about it. +welcome to my world+ http://venomzer0.deviantart.com |

Mnengli Noiliffe
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2012.01.27 07:09:00 -
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there are high sec delegates but there are too few of them.
majority votes got splitted between miriads of delegates.
there should be a way to speak to highsec population.
null secers can speak easily through the alliance chats and private forums. high seccers can't.
this is the main problem imho...
maybe there should be a new chat channel that everybody is forced to join during election campaign where candidates would meet? also perhaps primaries... would be certainly helpful |

Palmput
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
14
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Posted - 2012.01.27 07:12:00 -
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Whenever highsec people get into the CSM, they make really dumb changes. Like only allowing 1 JB per system. What's the point? It just makes travel even more tedious. Leave the nullsec game mechanics to those that actually know how they work and have lived with them for years; You don't hire an electrician to fix your toilet... do you? |

Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
100
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Posted - 2012.01.27 07:17:00 -
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I wouldn't **** so many people off if I wasn't passionate about the game and part of that Highsec crowd, with the exception of some Wormhole time.
You basic premise is flawed anyway, and typical of Null and Lowsec ignorance. People in Highsec often don't put much effort into presenting a 'passionate' view here on the forums or elsewhere, lest they be griefed, wardec'd and generally trooled and ganked out of existence.
It's called Duress. TIIP: The Incredible Invisible Poster |
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