Don't use jet cans for mining?

So old that forgot when you was new and flew ships that could not hold more then tiny amounts of ore?

A relatively new player with a few months in EVE with not a bad ship and few totally fresh players all in High sec. A can flipper shows up and starts flying around bumping the newbies (5th or 7th flipper for the day for them).

Just a heads up here for the unaware. Bored Vets couldn't care less whether new players start playing EVE; in fact, best I can tell, most of them would rather they didn't. This is why people who 'carebear' or come and 'whine' on the forums get told to gtfo and go play WoW. I should have thought that was obvious.

Mayhaps they should try a less busy system. Let me guess, they were mining in Perimiter ???????????

No hassle for them if they moved to Amarr while noob.

All noobs can do effectively is "carebear". You cant take them to W-Space or Null right away. They need skill books, they want to stay close to their starting locations, they want to wander around. And they not used to idea that ship is expendable. And they dont like that idea. It takes some time for them to get used to it and gain experience. All what flippers and gankers effectively do is making people angry and out of the game.

It's not the point of the post where they are in High sec. The point of the post is simple. Can flippers and gankers in High sec are bad for the game. They make people leave more effectively then anything else in the game.

CCP pandering to idiots who can't read warnings would be terrible, nope

Welp, I'M STILL HERE. Sheesh. Maybe affects 5% of noobs...........

Maybe America is the only place with 'Freshman Hazing". That's all it is. And one does NOT quit school because of 'hazing'.

No backbone whatsoever.

And looking for sympathy on these Forums is a Fool's Errand.

Terrible CEOs ruin the experience of new players. Join a better corp.

But with recent "buff to gankers" strategy all you do is pushing them out of the game.

I don't see a problem with flippers... maybe thats because I learned the first time it happened not to shoot/take from the can.


And for the record, when I was a noob I didn't jetcan mine after the first incident... I flew back and forth in my little frigate. Aptly named the Tormentor.

When i was a noob i learned that too. But when we both were noobs can flippers as it seems wasn't that much of a problem. Today is a whole different story. If you not jetcan they just fly in and bump you interfering with your activities. At least that what i hear'd from people in High sec. I'm not in High and not imagining myself there. But i know a few noob corps run by friends. It's worse then it was when i was noob.

OP failed to realise (we all did in the beginning, guess what; we're still here) that EVE is a harsh PVP environment which manifests itself in many different ways. If you had several can flippers on the same day don't you think said newbies should THINK about what they're doing and what they should be doing differently? It's not very difficult to ask in rookie/help chat what can be done about it, LEARN what can be done about is and create some teamwork.

In other words, learn from it, deal with it and if you don't or can't adapt, get out.

Mine into secure cans. Problem solved.

Next!

Clearly, using a secure container and then have one of the newbies do the hauling is not the way to go. Don't you realise that it's better to have 6 newbies mine rather than 5 while 1 is hauling? Teamwork? Logic? Effort? What are those filthy words!

Very creative and thinking post. Shows so much intellect.

EVE is by far not harsh and totally not PVP environment. EVE is a walk in the park with BLOBS that by mistake or intention somehow called PVP. Just take a good look around. The rest not deserve any comment.

So, CCP wants to bring in more players in but on the other side does everything possible to keep them out.

Just a short story:

A relatively new player with a few months in EVE with not a bad ship and few totally fresh players all in High sec. A can flipper shows up and starts flying around bumping the newbies (5th or 7th flipper for the day for them). The one with not bad ship comes in so flipper warps out. Newbie picks up ore from the can (stupid move but hey, its a newbie and he have tons of things to learn so he forgets some) and moments later a nice fleet of can flipper with a much better ship and friends arrive. Of course all get owned. And all quit the game because they are sick and tired of can flippers, gankers and other sh*t.

CCP you want more players? Well may be instead of spending tons of money on useless advertisements you think about changing some mechanics of your own game so that people wont quit because your mechanics so flawed for new players and allow the exploits by some terribly bored vets who sit in their Titans and create alts out of boredom to go get their kicks on new players and then complain that there's not enough influx of players in the game.

I do understand an attempt to push players to other then High sectors. But with recent "buff to gankers" strategy all you do is pushing them out of the game.

Again for the last time. Not the point of the post.

Point of the post: Want more players in? Make it fun for new players. Not angry, not hard work for them. Or keep your playerbase at the very slowly rising or sometimes sharply falling levels. People play games to have fun. As far as game definition goes.

Yes you can.

Would you please stop editing your posts several times after you posted them? Thanks.

I beg to differ. We had a 20 million Sp requirement on our Wormhole Corp for a reason. Take a Newb into an environment like that, and the best they can hope for is waiting until they can train up Gas-mining, mining, or scanning effectively enough to do something with it. Even then, it's not going to happen overnight, and they are still going to be sitting on their arses for the most part.