Originally by: Derovius Vaden

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The plain and simple fact of things is that the US armed forces has not taken on a "modern" army since the Korean War. Afghanistan and Iraq were fielding equipment that the soviets were in the first Afghan war, with limited modifications.

Every armed conflict the US has participated in where the opposing force was sufficiently up to date in its ability to make war has often ended very poorly in terms of performance. World War II, as an example, the US was very very behind the Germans in both intelligence gathering, strategy (they'd been fighting war for nearly 6 years before the US arrived, thus battle hardened.) and technology. The war was not won by the Allies because of the US, the US was just more meat bearing down on what was an otherwise very scary armed forces.

As with the First World War, the US's prowess, or lack thereof, was not the reason the war ended in favour of the Entente. The Germans simply did not have enough men to fight the French, the British, the Commonwealth, and the Americans. The fact that they held off as long as they did is simply amazing.

As an aside, I'd like to bring out the example of how technology is ultimately fallible to sheer numbers. The German Tiger tank was so advanced by the time the Allies took to the field in France, the only way they could overrun it was to:

a) make it deplete its ammunition by simply feeding it tank after tank
b) disable it so its crew could only kill as many allied tanks as possible before trying to make a run for it on foot.
c) destroy it in the factory.

A similar situation occured with the ME262, the fighter was so fast that the only way Allied pilots were able to destroy them is the chase them back to base and pop them as they were approaching the field to land. Or, as with the Tiger, destroy them when they were unmanned.

All these F35 and B2 planes good for surgical strikes, but how specialized is the fuel that these aircraft use? Are its munitions standard, or do they have to be custom mounted before being usable? It doesn't matter how fancy you make a weapon, you can still just as easily kill someone with a goddamn stick if you have enough sticks and enough men.

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Originally by: Hank Showbo

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And yet still most of these WWII games make America out to be the only country involved in the war.

I have seen many documentaries and all the Allies deserve thier fair share, the British RAF was a major factor that hardly gets a mention, unless its the battle of britian which quite frankly the US wont be bothered about.

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Originally by: Sereifex Daku

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Originally by: Hank Showbo

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And yet still most of these WWII games make America out to be the only country involved in the war.

I have seen many documentaries and all the Allies deserve thier fair share, the British RAF was a major factor that hardly gets a mention, unless its the battle of britian which quite frankly the US wont be bothered about.

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Yeah, that has always ****ed me off. The game that came closest to recognising the achievements of the RAF was Secret Weapons over Normandy...but even then the main character was some American volunteer who managed to save all the British pilots.

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Originally by: Derovius Vaden

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Originally by: Sereifex Daku

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Originally by: Hank Showbo

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And yet still most of these WWII games make America out to be the only country involved in the war.

I have seen many documentaries and all the Allies deserve thier fair share, the British RAF was a major factor that hardly gets a mention, unless its the battle of britian which quite frankly the US wont be bothered about.

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Yeah, that has always ****ed me off. The game that came closest to recognising the achievements of the RAF was Secret Weapons over Normandy...but even then the main character was some American volunteer who managed to save all the British pilots.

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Quite frankly, if it wasn't for the RAF biting back the Luftwaffe from Great Britian, the Allies would have had no place to organize an invasion from. Fortress Britian was central to winning the war, and when one reads just how close the Commonwealth was to losing Britian, well, it makes the notion that the US won WW2 for the allies all that more insulting.

I can pretty much picture what the Germans were thinking when the US arrived on the scene, "Schei¯e, we have to kill these guys now too. Fritz, bring up ze anderer machinegun."

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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h

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As for nukes Germany provided nothing towards their development by providing some missing piece. The Manhattan Project was a HUGE undertaking (I think it remains the largest single cost for any scientific project ever). The Germans surrendered in early May, the first nuke was tested in mid-July. In fact, had Germany not surrendered I believe the intention was to drop the first nukes on Germany.

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Originally by: Gladiator Jonny

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Ill openly admit that america have the best army in the world.
But being british, I dont mean it.


Granted, they would have an amazing army, nicely trained, well equiped and good technology.
Now where in all the training, equpiment and technology is the little thingy that stops you shooting your fkin friends?

my views alone.

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Originally by: ISD Valorem

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The Devs have stated multiple times that they are looking at the Amarr issues.

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Originally by: Oventoasted

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Edited by: Oventoasted on 25/11/2007 02:38:16
Edited by: Oventoasted on 25/11/2007 02:35:19
guerilla warfare will always come out on top when the enemy plays by the rules. iraq has and is doing it, Vietnamese did it, french did it in ww2, americans did it in the revolutionary war.

only way to stop it i think is mass killings or quiting.

war isnt fair or nice why do people always think that it should be. either fight to win or dont go to war at all.

EDIT: genocide is the wrong word i mean mass killings or murder

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Originally by: Thorliaron

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The Germans, they have proven that they can rock it with the strongest of them and still give major powers a bloody nose on two occasion's!.

Why do Americans assume the can nuke whoever they want and not get nuked back?. Other people have nukes and aint scared to use them either you know

And America cant have the best army becuase your top military cheifs are scared about trying to boss iran about, why?, becuase they will give you a pretty good fight..and no you cant 'just nuk'em' because that leads to their mates nuking you.

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Originally by: ISD Valorem

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The Devs have stated multiple times that they are looking at the Amarr issues.

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Originally by: Kirjava

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Heres a Hypothetical for you, the EU vs USA, what would that particular war be like, let's say a while after Galileo is completed and the German's have their supersonic torpedoes ready (I heard about these from a freind, apparenty they have air canisters that are released as bubbles just in front of it to reduce friction, they move faster than sound waves in water so a sub never sees them on sonar....).

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Originally by: Thorliaron

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Originally by: Kirjava

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Heres a Hypothetical for you, the EU vs USA, what would that particular war be like, let's say a while after Galileo is completed and the German's have their supersonic torpedoes ready (I heard about these from a freind, apparenty they have air canisters that are released as bubbles just in front of it to reduce friction, they move faster than sound waves in water so a sub never sees them on sonar....).

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If the EU was ever to turn into a superstate with one army i think they would seriously give america a run for their money, America would proberly have to rely on their navy fleet?

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Millions will die between California

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Originally by: Kirjava

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Heres a Hypothetical for you, the EU vs USA, what would that particular war be like, let's say a while after Galileo is completed and the German's have their supersonic torpedoes ready (I heard about these from a freind, apparenty they have air canisters that are released as bubbles just in front of it to reduce friction, they move faster than sound waves in water so a sub never sees them on sonar....).

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Originally by: Valan

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We're still paying the USA back for World War II, you didn't do it out of the goodness of your heart. Thats why we're in Iraq, our troops are helping pay the old debt.

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An I has a P90, with triple rail, assault scope, laser pointer and a whole load of bullpub shooting goodness :)

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