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Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2007.11.26 13:10:00 - [31] Originally by: Argyle Jones Assuming that if you keep increasing the capacity of Jita, then more people will go there is just plain dumb. /Argle No it isn't. It's based on real-world experience of just about every field of endeavour. Any desirable resource is always oversubscribed. Roads, networks, salaries, intelligence, time, CPU processing power, electricity generation. It doesn't matter how much you increase the availability of any of these it will never be enough. Just because it's unlikely that the entire population would go to Jita at the same time is no reason to suppose that the current 700 to 800 are the only ones playing the game that do want to go there. -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Mallikan Gallente Spartan Hoplites Rare Faction	Posted - 2007.11.26 13:17:00 - [32] Jita has become a hub. Plain and simple. IRL, New York and Los Angeles became similar hubs. People will always go there and nothing will change that really. There is no clear "fix" for making people not go somewhere. --- lol.. I messed up.
Riho Northen Breeze	Posted - 2007.11.26 13:17:00 - [33] Originally by: Eulalinda Edited by: Eulalinda on 26/11/2007 11:24:34 Originally by: Jakus Cemendur It was linked earlier: Quote: As mentioned at Fanfest we are looking at a HPC based cluster and the improvements this will provide. Not much we can do till then, we have upgraded and modified Jita, but everytime we do more people go there so we need to do something else. Dev reply Exactly. "We are looking" not "We are doing". If my friend says "we are looking" at a Lamborghini Diablo I do not assume his family is buying and using it. Is there any evidence that CCP is actually implementing a super computer, or is it a rumor? dont post... you have no idea what u talking about... the solution they are thinking about is god damn expencive and quite hard to implement. They cant just jump on things like that.. because if that doesnt work it can hurt the game bad that it comes unplayable. + eve server atm can be called a supercomputer allready.. it should be in the top 500 super computers in the world atm allso.(i havent checked that list for a while now.. so i might be lieing atm.)
StarStryder Wise Guys Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.11.26 13:49:00 - [34] Originally by: Andrue No it isn't. It's based on real-world experience of just about every field of endeavour. Any desirable resource is always oversubscribed. Roads, networks, salaries, intelligence, time, CPU processing power, electricity generation. It doesn't matter how much you increase the availability of any of these it will never be enough. And what happens when demand increases without an equal supply increase? Price goes up. So I'm going to throw out an idea that just occurred to me. It may or may not be a good but here you go: Vary the tax rate on the market dynamically based on system population. This would make it harder to sell things in a system as the population in increases, forcing sellers to expand out to the bordering systems to get the lower tax rates. Is there a down side to this that anyone can see?
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2007.11.26 13:56:00 - [35] Originally by: StarStryder Originally by: Andrue No it isn't. It's based on real-world experience of just about every field of endeavour. Any desirable resource is always oversubscribed. Roads, networks, salaries, intelligence, time, CPU processing power, electricity generation. It doesn't matter how much you increase the availability of any of these it will never be enough. And what happens when demand increases without an equal supply increase? Price goes up. So I'm going to throw out an idea that just occurred to me. It may or may not be a good but here you go: Vary the tax rate on the market dynamically based on system population. This would make it harder to sell things in a system as the population in increases, forcing sellers to expand out to the bordering systems to get the lower tax rates. Is there a down side to this that anyone can see? I have a feeling that it would create inflation but I confess that I'd like to see it discussed by experts. My own idea is just to have a form of congestion charging at gates. A while back I came up with a scheme that would allow for tweaking using skills and create a market for passes (so you could buy a day- or week- pass). But I'm still skeptical about how well any of this will work. There is a huge social pressure to form hubs and you generally have to go to extremes to counteract this. Even schemes like London's congestion charge only reduce the problem slightly. -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
StarStryder Wise Guys Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.11.26 13:58:00 - [36] Edited by: StarStryder on 26/11/2007 13:58:17 Originally by: Andrue Originally by: StarStryder And what happens when demand increases without an equal supply increase? Price goes up. So I'm going to throw out an idea that just occurred to me. It may or may not be a good but here you go: Vary the tax rate on the market dynamically based on system population. This would make it harder to sell things in a system as the population in increases, forcing sellers to expand out to the bordering systems to get the lower tax rates. Is there a down side to this that anyone can see? I have a feeling that it would create inflation but I confess that I'd like to see it discussed by experts. My own idea is just to have a form of congestion charging at gates. A while back I came up with a scheme that would allow for tweaking using skills and create a market for passes (so you could buy a day- or week- pass). But I'm still skeptical about how well any of this will work. There is a huge social pressure to form hubs and you generally have to go to extremes to counteract this. Even schemes like London's congestion charge only reduce the problem slightly. Andrue for London Mayor!
6Bagheera9 Slacker Industries	Posted - 2007.11.26 14:01:00 - [37] And people wonder why I got to Amarr to shop...
N1fty Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2007.11.26 14:17:00 - [38] Originally by: 6Bagheera9 And people wonder why I got to Amarr to shop... I shop there to see Chribba ============================================
Sathenu	Posted - 2007.11.26 14:22:00 - [39] Yes Jita is a trade main hub, everyone knows...if you want something cheap go to jita..tbh I try and avoid jita, I'll pay the extra 2-3mil on some items... The local in jita is spammed far too much and it should be a ban-able offense. Simply limit the amount of sellers on market, other sellers can then spread out around and past jita. Plus any sensible seller will sell items nearer 0.0 entry points at the same price as jita, they will make a healthy profit ...oopss I;ve given teh game away...
Hungo Minmatar Nightfallz	Posted - 2007.11.26 14:24:00 - [40] Originally by: Error404 I mean the fix for Yulai wasn't to dump it on another system, i entered Jita and my game crashed, now i've been stuck there for 2 days with a blank screen and not been able to log the **** in.... Please FFS come upw ith a fix for Jita like erm how about not just having one center of trade on a 1980's server that can't even handle only 600 people logged into it. Im sorry but all these people who say jita wont elt me log back in i can go in and out of jita. log out and back in with no problems, try playing eve on decent machines and for thsoe who will give me the smartass my pc is top notch if u lag liek hell in jita nd your buffer goes mad, your pc is crap
Robert0288	Posted - 2007.11.26 14:32:00 - [41] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker I got a good idea on how to fix Jita lag! 1. Remove Jita/make it 0.0/lowsec! 2. Point 1 wont solve Hub problem since there will always be a new one in time, but when a new one is beginning to take form CCP do Point 1 again to this system 3. When Point 2 happends again! Again Do point 1! Rinse and Repeat! 4. In time people will be so **ed that they will simply chuck their goods on the closest market! Bonus: No more Jita whines Price: **ed of people who finds their markets suddenly turned into deep space/lowsec! Boon: Desentralized market! All fine and good up untill the day after it goes 0.0 Can you say uber blob trying to get everyone thats trying to run away?lol Clay pigeon shoot
Aldee Federated Holdings	Posted - 2007.11.26 14:39:00 - [42] I know why ppl use to go to Jita but I got no idea why anymore. I use an alt to check prices there from outside of Jita system and the prices are almost always more expensive then what I buy at my local hub.
N1fty Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2007.11.26 14:50:00 - [43] I think a good way of decentralising trade would be to make empire ganking of haulers easier. The supply chain is like this: Moons (mining, reactions) > local T2 manifacture > haul long distance to Jita. You make hauling more dangerous somehow (I know there was an 'add 0.3 space between empires' idea), and people wont haul that great dangerous distance to Jita. They haul a shorter and therefore safer distance to a closer Hub; Amarr for example. Also people buying wont find it so safe to get to Jita, for the same reasons as the haulers. ============================================
Taedrin Gallente Magellan Exploration and Survey Rare Faction	Posted - 2007.11.26 14:50:00 - [44] Here's a Jita fix for you! Just start randomly deleting characters in any system that has become overloaded! Fixes Jita AND fleet battles! It's a win-win situation, I say!
Dr Fighter	Posted - 2007.11.26 14:56:00 - [45] i dont even go to caldari space these days, mission running systems are very bad and jita is mostly impossible. only time ive been there this year was to pick up some faction bits for my carrier that i couldnt get anywhere else i bought them in regoin then waited till after down time to pop in grab em and go. jita is a lag hell hole atm, as 99% of people hav sed simply dont go there, and if you hav to make sure its not 6pm game time on a sunday lol
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.11.26 15:17:00 - [46] Originally by: 6Bagheera9 And people wonder why I got to Amarr to shop... Shopping in Oris saves you time, pain, hassle, and makes Raptor Jesus happy. Jita can get bent.
Kolwrath Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2007.11.26 15:31:00 - [47] Originally by: Error404 I mean the fix for Yulai wasn't to dump it on another system, i entered Jita and my game crashed, now i've been stuck there for 2 days with a blank screen and not been able to log the ** in.... Please FFS come upw ith a fix for Jita like erm how about not just having one center of trade on a 1980's server that can't even handle only 600 people logged into it. 1. Petition a GM to move you out of Jita. 2. Don't log out in Jita, ever. 3. Don't be a Troll. Originally by:** Chaos Space Marines Do you hear the voices, too?!?!
Obidom Jax	Posted - 2007.11.26 15:33:00 - [48] LOL i didnt read most of this post as i couldnt stop laughing long enough I am still puzzled by what teh problem with jita is I have been through jita on numerous occasions, apart from slight dleay in loading sector (less than 60 seconds) i have not noticed any problems Why does everyone trade in Jita anyway? Am i missiong something other than the CN Scourge missles that are on sale for 1Bill ISK each? (yeah RMT are Soooooooo Stupid)
Venko Trenulo Wakizashi Renaissance	Posted - 2007.11.26 15:40:00 - [49] Edited by: Venko Trenulo on 26/11/2007 15:41:53 Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto There is no reason to go to Jita Besides the obvious reasons, there are these: (1) There's no way to get to Maurasi and the rest of its cluster without going through Jita. Agents do assign courier missions to those systems. (2) The dev response said that CCP's contribution is showing us where there are congested systems. However, the autopilot doesn't have an option for "Avoid systems with a traffic advisory." We shouldn't have to pull up the map to see whether Jita is on the list, and if it is, there should be an easy way to route around it. CCP can and should do a few more things to fix it, like providing another route to Maurasi or one of its cluster, and by "Avoid systems with a traffic advisory." That's assuming traffic advisories are now correctly reported, ofc.
Lala Ru Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.26 16:13:00 - [50] An easy eay to fix Jita is to offer free or low cost delivery. Say, that if you are in a high-sec station, buying something from another high-sec station three jumps away or less, that for a modest 1% surcharge, the friendly NPCs will deliver the items to your station. That way, people won't have to actually be IN Jita to buy from Jita, and so the load will become spread out around the systems surrounding Jita.
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.11.26 16:30:00 - [51] Originally by: Kolwrath Originally by: Error404 I mean the fix for Yulai wasn't to dump it on another system, i entered Jita and my game crashed, now i've been stuck there for 2 days with a blank screen and not been able to log the **** in.... Please FFS come upw ith a fix for Jita like erm how about not just having one center of trade on a 1980's server that can't even handle only 600 people logged into it. 1. Petition a GM to move you out of Jita. 2. Don't log out in Jita, ever. 3. Don't be a Troll. I find it unbelievable that so many players will simply accept the fact that the game is broken rather than protesting. Your solution to the problem of Jita is "don't go there"? If that's the only way to fix it, the game is broken. Period. -- Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.26 16:31:00 - [52] Jita does not lag, it is actually time distortion caused by an IBH (intelligence blackhole) The laws of quantum stupidity clearly state that stupidity has the most mass of anything in the universe, when confined into such a small space the excess mass causes a blackhole to form and slows down everything around it. Jita has become a magnet for such dense people and attracts them in the same way a regular blackhole affects regular matter. In sumation, do not be a lemming. Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
Jakus Cemendur Caldari The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.11.26 16:37:00 - [53] Originally by: Xaen I find it unbelievable that so many players will simply accept the fact that the game is broken rather than protesting. Your solution to the problem of Jita is "don't go there"? If that's the only way to fix it, the game is broken. Period. Or perhpas they've read the dev posts which say they're looking into it(eg. with the possible supercomputer etc.), and they're suggesting realistic solutions for players in the short term whilst we wait for the devs to do whatever they are planning.
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.11.26 16:42:00 - [54] Originally by: Jakus Cemendur Originally by: Xaen I find it unbelievable that so many players will simply accept the fact that the game is broken rather than protesting. Your solution to the problem of Jita is "don't go there"? If that's the only way to fix it, the game is broken. Period. Or perhpas they've read the dev posts which say they're looking into it(eg. with the possible supercomputer etc.), and they're suggesting realistic solutions for players in the short term whilst we wait for the devs to do whatever they are planning. They've been "looking into it" for what, a year? If I were only "looking into" a problem of Jita-severity here at work for a month I'd be fired. -- Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes
Jakus Cemendur Caldari The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.11.26 16:43:00 - [55] They've already upgraded the hardware and made software changes, but more and more people keep on going into Jita. From what the devs have said the only solution will be something like making the server into a supercomputer, which ian't going to be quick or easy.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.26 16:46:00 - [56] Please do not feed the troll (unless its me) Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2007.11.26 16:50:00 - [57] Edited by: Esmenet on 26/11/2007 16:50:30 Originally by: Xaen They've been "looking into it" for what, a year? If I were only "looking into" a problem of Jita-severity here at work for a month I'd be fired. Well noone is forcing you to go there, and noone is forcing you to play the game. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
Snake Doctor MacroIntel United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2007.11.26 16:53:00 - [58] When will people stop posting about this? If you're stuck, you need to be petitioning, not whining on the forums. Join MacroIntel!
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2007.11.26 16:55:00 - [59] Originally by: Robert0288 Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker I got a good idea on how to fix Jita lag! 1. Remove Jita/make it 0.0/lowsec! 2. Point 1 wont solve Hub problem since there will always be a new one in time, but when a new one is beginning to take form CCP do Point 1 again to this system 3. When Point 2 happends again! Again Do point 1! Rinse and Repeat! 4. In time people will be so **ed that they will simply chuck their goods on the closest market! Bonus: No more Jita whines Price: **ed of people who finds their markets suddenly turned into deep space/lowsec! Boon: Desentralized market! All fine and good up untill the day after it goes 0.0 Can you say uber blob trying to get everyone thats trying to run away?lol Clay pigeon shoot Absolutely! But thats part of the plan (read: fun) though, since after a while people will start shunning systems with more then hundred people in it, since they dont want to log in to find themselves in deep space! Can you say human decentralization? Sarah McTeef: You all should really try and stay on topic. Which when I last checked, was my grocery list
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.11.26 17:01:00 - [60] Originally by: Snake Doctor When will people stop posting about this? If you're stuck, you need to be petitioning, not whining on the forums. Probably shortly after it's fixed. -- Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes

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