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Snake Doctor MacroIntel United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2007.11.26 17:12:00 - [61] Originally by: Xaen Originally by: Snake Doctor When will people stop posting about this? If you're stuck, you need to be petitioning, not whining on the forums. Probably shortly after it's fixed. The only way to fix it is to stop going. It's a hardware issue. Players push the hardware well beyond the limits and expect a miracle. Do you really think the RAMSAN and all other recent upgrades went to anything other than Jita? No. They are fixing Jita, but there's only so fast the hardware will go. That's what this stupid need for speed **** is anyway. It's a Jita fix, but everyone sits around and whines about something they have the power to avoid. You get better prices in Rens anyway. JFC go there. Join MacroIntel!
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.26 17:15:00 - [62] Originally by: Venko Trenulo (1) There's no way to get to Maurasi and the rest of its cluster without going through Jita. Agents do assign courier missions to those systems. This is a big one. They moved plenty of stargates around to stop requiring ships to go through Jita but left this one chain of systems. Of course its a nice place to hide during a war; camp the Jita gate coming in and most players will still be so lagged they are easy kills.... Why does the Autopilot still send you through Jita also? Each time I run between 2 of my homes one direction sends me through Jita but the return doesn't Originally by: CCP Chronotis Since this thread continues to fight against the people who derail it into the macro miners witchhunt. I will move it to features and ideas discussion where ...
Taedrin Gallente Magellan Exploration and Survey Rare Faction	Posted - 2007.11.26 17:39:00 - [63] Be careful what you wish for. A solution which "fixes" Jita would probably involve reducing the number of people in Jita. The only way to do that is to make Jita less attractive compared to other systems. This may make solutions infinitely worse than the current problem. Fortunately for us, CCP is working on the problem in a manner which won't hurt the player-base so much. CCP is trying to figure out a way to implement RDMA. Depending upon the implementation, this would effectively allow multiple nodes to work on a single system. When ambulation happens, people who are docked and messing with the market will be offloaded onto another node dedicated/optimized towards in-station activities. This should help reduce lag in Jita because the main activities in Jita are done in-station Implementing Interbus is also on CCPs list of things-to-do. The idea here is that Interbus would, for a price, would do intra-constellation hauling. Thus all of the Jita congestion would be spread out through multiple solar systems. So why hasn't CCP done any of this yet? RDMA is tricky thing to implement. You have to worry about multiple nodes trying to access the same resources at the same time. You could end up with many, many exploitable bugs, such as receiving multiple insurance payouts for one ship death. On top of this, Infiniband isn't exactly cheap. As for ambulation, that requires a lot of programming from scratch, and requires more hardware. More than anything, time is required for this. CCP is somewhat wary of implementing Interbus, as this would potentially hurt player courier contracts - something which CCP wants to have. It could also have a negative impact on the market by making it harder for traders to buy low at market hubs, and sell high at mission running areas.
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.26 17:52:00 - [64] I did'nt know that Jita was broken..... One stop shopping ftw!! although the fact that 0.5+ with valuable cargo is MORE dangerous than 0.0 with valuable cargo could probably use some fixing. Play nice while you butcher each other.
Gone'Postal Minmatar Vengeance 8 Interceptors	Posted - 2007.11.26 18:05:00 - [65] Originally by: Xaen Originally by: Snake Doctor When will people stop posting about this? If you're stuck, you need to be petitioning, not whining on the forums. Probably shortly after it's fixed. You can't be F'in serious... If YOU go to Jita, YOUR part of the problem. Hell CCP are good, damn good at what they do, but meh... Without some serious $$$, There server cluster has reached max, (until load balancing(sp?)) comes into play anyways.. 600 People in 1 system, I'd love to see a Terminal server handle 600 users at the same time, HEll i'll even bring the marshmellows. \0/ CCP SlideShow Games \0/ "Eve" Proof that <1FPS games can still generate income.
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.26 18:08:00 - [66] Edited by: fire 59 on 26/11/2007 18:08:47 Originally by: Horchan Originally by: Jakus Cemendur CCP are looking into making the server a supercomputer to help improve performance, but until then there is no quick or easy solution for Jita. They make hardware and software improvements so say 500 people can go there and 700 people go there. This. Every time they "fix" Jita so it's stable with more people in it, EVEN MORE people will go there, until so many people are there that it lags out again. This problem will never be solved until people get it through their thick skulls that CCP isn't at fault, the people that go to Jita are at fault. Hence the commonly heard outcry, "Don't go to Jita!" I was going to point and laugh at you for awhile but instead, i'll just point to the affore mentioned quote above http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdd74kLxgGo
Kolwrath Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2007.11.26 18:14:00 - [67] Originally by: Xaen Originally by: Kolwrath Originally by: Error404 I mean the fix for Yulai wasn't to dump it on another system, i entered Jita and my game crashed, now i've been stuck there for 2 days with a blank screen and not been able to log the **** in.... Please FFS come upw ith a fix for Jita like erm how about not just having one center of trade on a 1980's server that can't even handle only 600 people logged into it. 1. Petition a GM to move you out of Jita. 2. Don't log out in Jita, ever. 3. Don't be a Troll. I find it unbelievable that so many players will simply accept the fact that the game is broken rather than protesting. Your solution to the problem of Jita is "don't go there"? If that's the only way to fix it, the game is broken. Period. Try reading my post. Where did I say ""don't go there"? Oh I dident. Shesh you even quoted my full post and still got it wrong. Originally by: Chaos Space Marines Do you hear the voices, too?!?!
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.11.26 18:30:00 - [68] Originally by: Snake Doctor The only way to fix it is to stop going. That isn't a fix. It's the textbook definition of a workaround. Originally by: Snake Doctor It's a hardware issue. Players push the hardware well beyond the limits and expect a miracle. Such narrow thinking benefits no one. There are possible solutions, see my sig link for some examples. Originally by: Snake Doctor Do you really think the RAMSAN and all other recent upgrades went to anything other than Jita? No. Yes, they're to speed up database acess time for all of EVE. Lack of sharding necessitates a single DB, so it's almost required that it be running on the fastest thing they can find. Originally by: Snake Doctor They are fixing Jita, but there's only so fast the hardware will go. Throwing hardware at it is a temporary workaround. Not a fix. Originally by: Snake Doctor That's what this stupid need for speed ** is anyway. It's a Jita fix No it isn't. Evidence being the faster UI. That's hardly a jita fix. Originally by:** Snake Doctor , but everyone sits around and whines about something they have the power to avoid. We shouldn't have to avoid it. Originally by: Snake Doctor You get better prices in Rens anyway. JFC go there. Again, this is a workaround at best. If everyone went to Rens instead then Rens would simply become the new Jita. This is just squeezing the water baloon. -- Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes
Shidhe Minmatar The Babylon5 Consortuim Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.26 18:41:00 - [69] The fix for Jita is not to fix Jita - take it out of protected status, and let it collapse more regularly. Trying to allow more over-centralisation is not a cure for over-centralisation.
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.26 19:14:00 - [70] I don't see any reason why people don't shop somewhere else (gasp) . If you all huddle in the same spot, it's going to create total hell death lag and it is YOUR fault for constantly blobbing to the same system. The excuse is often well one person wouldn't nake a difference etc, but if alot of people thought like that and (gasp) traded in more than one location, it would share the load out. It's the same with the (insert swear word about genitals on head) who all huddle in the same mission system and them moan about the lag. I went to a dufferent agent of different quality and got hardly any lag (gasp) Botom line, they improve the servers and you stuff more blob in there, move you muppets http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdd74kLxgGo
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.11.26 19:20:00 - [71] Originally by: fire 59 I don't see any reason why people don't shop somewhere else (gasp) . If you all huddle in the same spot, it's going to create total hell death lag and it is YOUR fault for constantly blobbing to the same system. The excuse is often well one person wouldn't nake a difference etc, but if alot of people thought like that and (gasp) traded in more than one location, it would share the load out. It's the same with the (insert swear word about genitals on head) who all huddle in the same mission system and them moan about the lag. I went to a dufferent agent of different quality and got hardly any lag (gasp) Botom line, they improve the servers and you stuff more blob in there, move you muppets Actually, the "botom"[sic] line is, change the game such that centralized markets are unnecessary (see the link in my sig for several examples). "Don't go to jita" is a workaround to a broken system, not a genuine solution. -- Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes
Gone'Postal Minmatar Vengeance 8 Interceptors	Posted - 2007.11.26 19:26:00 - [72] Ok, Either A. Get a job at CCP and change it. B. Live with Jita and "put up" with the way CCP are dealing with it, and there time frames to fix, or not to fix the issue. Either way, DEV's have replyed to your linked post in your sig, Learn how to wait until CCP deal with it. \0/ CCP SlideShow Games \0/ "Eve" Proof that <1FPS games can still generate income.
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.11.26 19:36:00 - [73] Originally by: Gone'Postal Ok, Either A. Get a job at CCP and change it. I would consider it if they didn't require moving to Iceland. I hate the cold. Originally by: Gone'Postal B. Live with Jita and "put up" with the way CCP are dealing with it, and there time frames to fix, or not to fix the issue. Either way, DEV's have replyed to your linked post in your sig, So? When it's fixed, I'll stop pointing out that it's a problem. Originally by: Gone'Postal Learn how to wait until CCP deal with it. Nah, I choose option C), post constructive potential solutions and continue to tell fanbois that "don't go to Jita" is a workaround, and not a viable solution. -- Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes
Xonkra Gallente	Posted - 2007.11.26 20:18:00 - [74] you are made of... Originally by: Illyria Ambri No matter how you want to say it.. it always sounds like frog clearing throat "Ve zurrendur, dunt schuut"
Jakus Cemendur Caldari The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.11.26 20:28:00 - [75] Originally by: Xaen Actually, the "botom"[sic] line is, change the game such that centralized markets are unnecessary (see the link in my sig for several examples). "Don't go to jita" is a workaround to a broken system, not a genuine solution. And if they don't want to implement any of your solutions because they do not like them? They've said they're not sure about Interbus because it might kill courier contracts, they don't want to make huge changes to gameplay you suggest. So what are we left with? Waiting until they do the supercomputer.
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.11.26 20:33:00 - [76] Originally by: Jakus Cemendur And if they don't want to implement any of your solutions because they do not like them? They've said they're not sure about Interbus because it might kill courier contracts, they don't want to make huge changes to gameplay you suggest. So what are we left with? Waiting until they do the supercomputer. If it's a choice between courier contracts and fixing jita, I vote fix jita. I would surmise that a percentage of courier contracts issues are because of Jita. Those that are left are a small price to pay for a game that works in every system IMO. -- Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.26 20:38:00 - [77] Jita lag perfect strikes the OP for pure hilarity. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
Thenoran Caldari Frontier Economics Fallout Project	Posted - 2007.11.26 20:39:00 - [78] Edited by: Thenoran on 26/11/2007 20:39:39 Jita can't be fixed because there is nothing actually wrong with it. CCP is not to blame, they can modify the server to hold 2000 people in Jita and when Tranq is up you will soon notice that 2500 will go in, after which it will lag again. CCP upgrades to 3000 and the next day 4000 people will go in. People keep going into Jita UNTIL it lags It...can't...be...fixed!
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.11.26 20:39:00 - [79] Originally by: Minerva Vulcan Jita lag perfect strikes the OP for pure hilarity. Jita lag strikes the game you like to play for apathetic failure. -- Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes
Roche Pso Gallente Deltole Research Labs	Posted - 2007.11.26 20:43:00 - [80] Originally by: Obidom Jax LOL i didnt read most of this post as i couldnt stop laughing long enough I am still puzzled by what teh problem with jita is I have been through jita on numerous occasions, apart from slight dleay in loading sector (less than 60 seconds) i have not noticed any problems Same here, I go there sometimes, and never have any real issues at all. I dont even have a modern PC (Athlon 2000XP, 1.25GB and 9800Pro) so I dont understand what people are moaning about.
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.11.26 20:44:00 - [81] Originally by: Thenoran Edited by: Thenoran on 26/11/2007 20:39:39 Jita can't be fixed because there is nothing actually wrong with it. CCP is not to blame, they can modify the server to hold 2000 people in Jita and when Tranq is up you will soon notice that 2500 will go in, after which it will lag again. CCP upgrades to 3000 and the next day 4000 people will go in. People keep going into Jita UNTIL it lags It...can't...be...fixed! Changing the game to handle human behavior is infinitely easier than changing human behavior. Thus, the solution lies solely in CCP's hands. -- Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.26 20:52:00 - [82] Originally by: Xaen Originally by: Minerva Vulcan Jita lag perfect strikes the OP for pure hilarity. Jita lag strikes the game you like to play for apathetic failure. Cry more. Just because you can't help but run into Jita like a lemming off a cliff knowing what's likely going to happen, doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the game. CCP has some of the finest hardware out there. They could do away with Jita as a whole. They could create more routes to try and divert traffic to another system, but the same thing will just happen again. A new convenient spot will pop up as prime realestate and it will be the same thing all over. There's plenty other places you can do to find goods. Plenty of other people manage to never have to set pod in the place. I've been there and through a couple times myself, and never had any of these issues that people are constantly complaining about. Guess if you're smart about it there's no issue. If you're not, you make threads like these or agree with them. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.11.26 21:02:00 - [83] Originally by: Minerva Vulcan Cry more. Just because you can't help but run into Jita like a lemming off a cliff knowing what's likely going to happen, doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the game. I avoid it most of the time, but that doesn't mean everything is peachy. Originally by: Minerva Vulcan CCP has some of the finest hardware out there. Irrelevant. Originally by: Minerva Vulcan They could do away with Jita as a whole. They could create more routes to try and divert traffic to another system, but the same thing will just happen again. A new convenient spot will pop up as prime realestate and it will be the same thing all over. That's exactly what I just said. Changing human behavior is impossible, thus the fix must be in the game. Originally by: Minerva Vulcan There's plenty other places you can do to find goods. Plenty of other people manage to never have to set pod in the place. I've been there and through a couple times myself, and never had any of these issues that people are constantly complaining about. So why are you arguing? Originally by: Minerva Vulcan Guess if you're smart about it there's no issue. The issue exists whether or not it affects you personally. Originally by: Minerva Vulcan If you're not, you make threads like these or agree with them. So if everyone ignores the problem, it ceases to become a problem? You may have discovered a new form of fallacy. -- Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes
Ed Anger Weekly World News	Posted - 2007.11.26 21:03:00 - [84] limited berths at each station. so no more then 50 ships docked at once, force the population to go somewhere other then jita 4-4 now and then.
Daelin Blackleaf Aliastra	Posted - 2007.11.26 21:10:00 - [85] The only thing wrong with Jita is the players. The only thing wrong with the product is the users. The only problem in business is the customers. Anyone else seeing the relation and utter fail in these three comments? Saying "Don't go to Jita" is akin to saying "Don't form fleets of over 200 people." So long as it is beneficial to do these things people will continue to do them, it is CCP's job to either provide an alternative or fix the problem which is exactly what they are trying to do. Blaming the players for doing these things, or being unhappy about the state of them, is pretty short-sighted. Customer discontent provides pressure for the provider to fix the issue, the alternative is we all STFU and ignore everything that is, or ever will be, wrong with the game until it becomes nigh unplayable. -------- EVE Trinity: THE SKY IS FALLING!
Ed Anger Weekly World News	Posted - 2007.11.26 21:14:00 - [86] yes, STFU already
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.26 21:15:00 - [87] So if 700 people decided to self-destruct their ships daily, it would be on CCP to fix? Interesting. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.11.26 21:29:00 - [88] Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf The only thing wrong with Jita is the players. The only thing wrong with the product is the users. The only problem in business is the customers. Anyone else seeing the relation and utter fail in these three comments? Saying "Don't go to Jita" is akin to saying "Don't form fleets of over 200 people." So long as it is beneficial to do these things people will continue to do them, it is CCP's job to either provide an alternative or fix the problem which is exactly what they are trying to do. Blaming the players for doing these things, or being unhappy about the state of them, is pretty short-sighted. Customer discontent provides pressure for the provider to fix the issue, the alternative is we all STFU and ignore everything that is, or ever will be, wrong with the game until it becomes nigh unplayable. Finally, someone else gets it. As long as the game requires that you travel to a station to get stuff, there will be a Jita and it will be death by lagicide. Hoping players simply stop congregating is about as effective as hoping it snows in the Sahara. Thus, the burden of implementing a solution falls on CCP's shoulders. No one else is going to do it for them. The best we players can do is offer suggestions coughSeeTheLinkInMySigcough. -- Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes
Ed Anger Weekly World News	Posted - 2007.11.26 21:33:00 - [89] omg, what was i saying, you are correct. please post 50,000 MORE FRIGGIN JITA THREADS when 50,000 already exist. and keep going to Jita on Sunday prime time so you have something to whine about, lemmings. rather then using a minute amount of common sense, and going at another time.
Boomershoot Caldari Insurgent New Eden Tribe Deus Ex.	Posted - 2007.11.26 21:35:00 - [90] Pro Jita Accountant are all in perimeter/new caldari laughing at you stop whining Originally by: 'CCP Nozh' We did not expect the requests to prematurely end dear Zulupark's existence in this universe, some of which were very imaginative

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