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Kuzya Morozov Gallente Organized Combat Consortium	Posted - 2007.12.01 01:27:00 - [121] Originally by: freakbacca Originally by: Kuzya Morozov I don't know if you should take out learning skills, but I had 2 friends just try EVE and one quit because it was too complicated, the other one quit because it took took too long to do anything with the useful skills and upon learning what he'd have to go through he just quit. It made me sad. tell them to get an X-BOX. this game is no arcade game.. Just shut up, seriously, I don't think you even read my god damn post.
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2007.12.01 01:32:00 - [122] I will tell you what really sucks... This. Originally by: Tortun Nahme CCP also condones thinking, I suggest you try it from tiem to time
Chaplain Veritas Amarr The Aduro Protocol The Fifth Race	Posted - 2007.12.01 01:32:00 - [123] Originally by: Drasked Bottom line, if you cant find the right balance between training the learning skills and training skills that actually make you enjoy the game, you have failed. having to find balances between spending time in a GAME to do something that does nothing for your GAMEplay and spending time doing things that do improve your GAMEplay makes for broken GAME mechanics. learning skills = meter watching. anyone remember that stupid game? can't remember. 'meterquest' or something. some stupid ap that just sat there raising up a meter as you automatically killed stuff. sometimes you'd run in to another "player". but all it was was a meter that went up with time gaining levels, no interaction whatsoever. it kept track of the "top" players and stuff. it was just a pointless little thing. yeah, whenever i think about learning skills it reminds me of that "game". 100% pointless. ____________________________ the eyes are the groin of the face - dwight shrute
Mon eemakar	Posted - 2007.12.01 01:36:00 - [124] Originally by: Akita T EVE is full of legendary traps for mathematically-challenged and/or economically-challenged people. We love those traps, as much as we love those specific people that these specific traps were designed for. Hands off our traps ! Translation : ffs, leave the learning skills alone, GB2school and get Calculus and Economics 101, n00b. Please explain this post-it makes no sense. Are you saying that learning skills are a waste of time? I know that in one day of learning skills i wiped 16 hours of cal frig 4 so i believe the maths tht ive read claiming that learning skils wipe a considerable amount of time off reaching your goals. If at first you don't succeed....don't try skydiving.
Mon eemakar	Posted - 2007.12.01 01:39:00 - [125] Originally by: freakbacca Originally by: Mon eemakar Edited by: Mon eemakar on 01/12/2007 01:15:33 i agree with the posts that say ppl should be prepared to put in the effort but unfortunately Eve rewards you for how long you have owned the game rather than how much you play it (or how much effort you're willing to put in). that's the way this game was made. No Grinding. aren't there enough grind games already? if eve were to invalidate anything i've invested my time doing to a large enough extent, then i'd quit. star wars galaxies did that, and i quit that and never looked back. this may be a game however theres a lot of players that spend a huge amount of time, and do take the game seriously. It's not fair to just remove whole banks of time that we've spent money and time perfecting. pleas read my posts again. i explicitly stted that people should b required to expend time and energy to advance and I never askd fo handouts. My points was that time and effort is not required for advancment in EVE just how long you have owned the game(providing tht you can be bothered to click a button once every few days) If at first you don't succeed....don't try skydiving.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.12.01 01:51:00 - [126] Originally by: Mon eemakar Originally by: Akita T EVE is full of legendary traps for mathematically-challenged and/or economically-challenged people. We love those traps, as much as we love those specific people that these specific traps were designed for. Hands off our traps ! Translation : ffs, leave the learning skills alone, GB2school and get Calculus and Economics 101, n00b. Please explain this post-it makes no sense. Are you saying that learning skills are a waste of time? I know that in one day of learning skills i wiped 16 hours of cal frig 4 so i believe the maths tht ive read claiming that learning skils wipe a considerable amount of time off reaching your goals. Short-term profit vs long-term investment... sometimes, short-term profit IS better overall. Depending on particular situation, it could be moronic to do all learning, or to do no learning, or any learning past a certain degree. If you quantify "amount and usefulness of non-learning skills" vs "time spend paying to play", the equation solves quite nicely and vastly different for each individual character... and the main factor here is FUNDING (the greatest difference in "learning tactics" will be found between a genuine new player and a heavily funded alt). Lucky for you, EVE-Mon does a bang-up job of solving the problem for you most of the time, you just have to input it (i.e. make a desired skill list and play with the implant selection). C\|S\|I\|N\|x.
Kate Nexus	Posted - 2007.12.01 20:59:00 - [127] Solution: get rid of learning skills, give everyone the attributes from them. No more month of boredom for new players.
Moghydin Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.12.01 22:00:00 - [128] Learning skills are not something you "must" train on your first 2 weeks or even month. Skills for ships and modules which you need in the beginning can be trained quite quickly even without them. You were not the first player to join Eve. Those before you have found the balance between learning "fun" skills and learning "learning" skills, why can't you do the same? New players already start with improved characters, there's no need to boost attributes even further. Press alt+F4 to reduce lag
Freya Runestone Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.12.02 03:07:00 - [129] Originally by: Kate Nexus Solution: get rid of learning skills, give everyone the attributes from them. No more month of boredom for new players. There newer was a month of boredom for new players. learning skills are optional. completely optional, they aren't pre-reqs for anything. you can play the game exactly the same way without them. if you have a month of boredom, then that is your own fault. get enough skills to sustain yourself before you start up the learning skills.
Ed Anger Weekly World News	Posted - 2007.12.02 03:08:00 - [130] they suck, admit it

Garborg Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.02 03:12:00 - [131] Edited by: Garborg on 02/12/2007 03:14:06 I'm a new player, and I'm not playing the game while I spend a month + getting all my learning skills. Hopefully I'll still be interested in the game once they are done. Edit Yep they are optional. And they are also most beneficial if you do them from day 1 rather than wait till month 6.
DirtyHarry Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.02 03:35:00 - [132] Im still waiting for CCP to give their 2003 players the 1mill SP all the nubs have got for free that started in the past year or so. Please do not make false statements about forum moderators
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific	Posted - 2007.12.02 03:42:00 - [133] Give me my 2.5 mill SP in learning towards some other skills, and you can have all noobs come in with free learning skills. Nothing is free in EVE, you have to 'work' for it, one way or another. I did my 'Learning' stint, and I expect you to do it.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.02 03:45:00 - [134] Originally by: Mon eemakar crap Your mistake is thinking the goal in EVE is progress towards the endgame. You are a prime example of someone who needs to gb2/WoW. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Freya Runestone Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.12.02 03:51:00 - [135] I tried making a new character, just to see what is was like. caldari - asian race i started out with analytical mind 4 and instant recall/learning at 1(i think) plugging that character into EVE-mon and trainign all basic learning skills to IV took only just over 1 week. on top of that doing the noob missions you get 2 implants that further increases your leaning skill speed (int and mem for the caldari asian race, don't know if its different for other races) I don't remember what the asian bloodline of the caldari is called :/ Anyway, training them is quick, does not take very long, and you can always just train them up to maybe 3, train some combat skills for a month and then train them up to wherever you like having them, while you have fun in the ship you now have the ability to fly.
Sekket Caldari White-Noise Skunk-Works	Posted - 2007.12.02 04:16:00 - [136] EvE you play for the journey, WoW for the purples. Once you understand this the EvE skill training system makes perfect sense.
Kyra Felann Gallente Red Eye .Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.02 04:17:00 - [137] Originally by: Xaen Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Jaikar Isillia I think other players have put it right in the terms of learning skills being the "WoW Deflector shield". You win EvE fourms today. Hey yeah! Let's get rid of ALL new players, why didn't I think of that?! You think players can't come to Eve without playing WoW first? I realize Wow is like My First MMO(TM), but I came to Eve recently and I didn't play WoW. If people have played WoW in the past, fine, as long as they don't whine about how Eve should be more like WoW. Ex- and wannabe- WoW players already ruined Guild Wars, IMO. The WoW mentality is totally different from the Eve mentality. If a player can't see beyond the WoW mentality, they should stay with WoW.
Kyra Felann Gallente Red Eye .Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.02 04:18:00 - [138] Originally by: Mon eemakar Edited by: Mon eemakar on 01/12/2007 01:13:15 I'm new to this game so I'll give it to you from my perspective. The problem is actually with the way skill are learned. I love reading these forums and ppl acting as though eve is so much more hardcore-what a joke!!! I could get a tens of millions of SP character over a year by logging on to click another skill and doing just enough grinding to get the ISK to buy a new skills. The amount of actual gametime required would be nothing comparded to that required to level a character to 70 and run end game raids for decent gear. You might say well gtting the SP is more like getting the level and gtting the ISK is mor like getting the gear/gold u need. Well, fair enuff-within the EULA of this game i can make a tens of milions of SP character with barely ne actual played time and then sell GTC for ISK to buy my ships/skills-done and definitely not hardcore. Within WOW EULA you would need at least 2 months actual played time to get a well geared level 70. So to address the OP -essentially this game does not encourage new players to actually start playing the game for a few months after buying it. I am a hardcore gamer and this gam does not reward the time that I'm willing to put in like other games do. I am better to log on train skill toons on two accounts and play another game like wow that rewards time played until I have the skils necessary to make serious money. Obviously CCP will no change the skills training system so that it rewards played time so new players will always find the 1st few month of Eve rather pointless. Interestingly-WOW has implemented sytem that allows for both over the last few months-with an arena system that allows you to get gear over time by giving you points each week and the PVE system which allows you to get gear based on time played-so you could log on for an hour a week and end up with good gear over a long period of time or play harcore for a few weeks PVE and get good gear faster. GB2WOW.
Ed Anger Weekly World News	Posted - 2007.12.02 04:21:00 - [139] i am here for secret, to make eve wowtastic, wowunderful, wowriffic. i kno it will take while, but more wowness for eve!!!
Ed Anger Weekly World News	Posted - 2007.12.02 04:23:00 - [140] Originally by: DirtyHarry Im still waiting for CCP to give their 2003 players the 1mill SP all the nubs have got for free that started in the past year or so. i am sad for u 2003 players with 23432234455643 skills!! neeed more to make up so u stay most uber!!

Maximillian Dragonard	Posted - 2007.12.02 04:26:00 - [141] Same old crap..... "I want it NOW!"... I didn't enjoy training learning, but I trained it while offline and trained the "fun stuff" while online. It's purely a matter of mindset. Patience is a virtue, which appears to be severely lacking lately
Ed Anger Weekly World News	Posted - 2007.12.02 04:31:00 - [142] Originally by: Maximillian Dragonard Same old crap..... "I want it NOW!"... I didn't enjoy training learning, but I trained it while offline and trained the "fun stuff" while online. It's purely a matter of mindset. Patience is a virtue, which appears to be severely lacking lately u r the coolest!
Shar'Tuk TheHated	Posted - 2007.12.02 04:32:00 - [143] Originally by: Jaikar Isillia I think other players have put it right in the terms of learning skills being the "WoW Deflector shield". Shields up Captian! DRINK RUM It fights scurvy & boosts morale! THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES!
DirtyHarry Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.02 04:33:00 - [144] Originally by: Ed Anger Originally by: DirtyHarry Im still waiting for CCP to give their 2003 players the 1mill SP all the nubs have got for free that started in the past year or so. i am sad for u 2003 players with 23432234455643 skills!! neeed more to make up so u stay most uber!! I am sad for us too, subscribing to a game for over 4 years to repeatedly get kicked in the balls. Please do not make false statements about forum moderators
Ed Anger Weekly World News	Posted - 2007.12.02 04:34:00 - [145] Originally by: DirtyHarry Originally by: Ed Anger Originally by: DirtyHarry Im still waiting for CCP to give their 2003 players the 1mill SP all the nubs have got for free that started in the past year or so. i am sad for u 2003 players with 23432234455643 skills!! neeed more to make up so u stay most uber!! I am sad for us too, subscribing to a game for over 4 years to repeatedly get kicked in the balls. cuase 4 years advantage is not enuf to pwn all n00bs!!!
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.02 04:43:00 - [146] Originally by: Ed Anger Originally by: DirtyHarry Originally by: Ed Anger Originally by: DirtyHarry Im still waiting for CCP to give their 2003 players the 1mill SP all the nubs have got for free that started in the past year or so. i am sad for u 2003 players with 23432234455643 skills!! neeed more to make up so u stay most uber!! I am sad for us too, subscribing to a game for over 4 years to repeatedly get kicked in the balls. cuase 4 years advantage is not enuf to pwn all n00bs!!! You know the real reason is because having the optimal number of skillpoints in relation to your start date is Serious Business. OMG A SKILL FINISHED WHILE I WAS TYPING THIS THAT'S TWO SECONDS I'LL NEVER GET BACK NOW I AM TWO SECONDS BEHIND EVERYONE I QUIT YOU CAN'T HAVE MY STUFF - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.12.02 06:06:00 - [147] You know when I will be approving the removal of learning skills ? The same day they remove the level cap... you know, that "silly L5 is max" thing. Even if it takes me a year, I still want L11 Amarr <someship>, so I gain capacitor when I shoot lasers or better still, L20 rapid fire, where I can empty my entire "clip" into an enemy since my RoF is 0 sec (-100% RoF FTW). Oh, heck, why not make that L11 Amarr <someship> AND L20 raid fire, so I can INSTAKILL any target AND refill my capacitor according to the amount of total HPs that poor target had. C\|S\|I\|N\|x.
Garborg Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.02 06:15:00 - [148] Originally by: Ed Anger cuase 4 years advantage is not enuf to pwn all n00bs!!! Did someone say pwn da noobs?
Tarron Sarek Gallente Endica Enterprises Alternative Realities	Posted - 2007.12.03 00:31:00 - [149] Edited by: Tarron Sarek on 03/12/2007 00:34:10 Originally by: Sirtak What's up with the hating for learning? It's called impatience, with an urge for instant gratification due to a short attention span. In short: modern days disease. Oh, on a 'completely different' note: CCP I'd like to catch up to the 2003's chars and get rid of my seriously subpar Intaki stats. Pretty please? Ah well, just joking.. ___________________________________ - Balance is power, guard it well - Please stop using the word 'nerf' Nothing spells 'incompetence' or 'don't take me serious' like those four letters
Ulstan	Posted - 2007.12.03 21:37:00 - [150] Nothing wrong with the learning skills. I like the way players must decide between long term benefit over short term gain...which may actually create even more long term benefit. Just blindly training all the skills to 5 won't get you anywhere.



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