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BABARR
PARABELUM-Project
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:04:00 -
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You got a link? ...
"Si vis pacem, parabellum" |
Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Riho my fit:
6x sieget t2, whayever fits 8neuts are my choise)
3x lse, 2x invul, painter
3x bcu, dcu, whatever.
3x extender rigs
about 30k shields whit ok resists.
the "new" gank thron :P
allso :
6x siege
3x lse, invul, painter, mwd
3x bcu, dcu, istab (to help get speed up)
3x extender rigs
whit the second fit i killed quite abit before i died :)
I have to admit - I wasn't a fan of passive tanking a Raven - but I completely forgot about 3 extender rigs! 30K shields sounds great if you have a MWD (gonna have to lose some PDU's to get RCU but meh can't have it all).
Good idea bud. __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
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Dreadpilot Roberts
Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: BABARR The new raven torp is simply omg*******overpowered. HEAVY DPS from 0 to more than 25km whith : choice of dammage, no tracking issue, no cap use. It's done more damage than a blasterboat (I want gaph whith dmg/range !).
It's not really a whine, i just going to buy a CNR to pvp instead a mega navy, but it's a shame to fly caldari's toy to do more damage in close range .
sure, but, will it blend ?
using a cnr to pvp means either you're "slow" or very very rich. anyway. gallente blasterboats still have :speed, better passive tank, plated up and the damage is kinda similar ( without including tracking/falloff into calculation ). I'm glad torps got a boost, caldari now has a ship to omgwtfbbq ppl if helped by some support like an inty or recon. And the thing u said about torps having no tracking issue .... uhm dude ... first there sig radius, then there's the fact that torps are not guided like cruise so if u orbit with somewhat high speed a torp boat it cant hit sh**.
Uhm yeah, for ppl that think that raven is now a solo-pwn-mobile and are searching for setups to omgbbqketchup ppl on their own. U fail, u miss the point of the game, there's no solo pvp, sort ur lifes out u noobs.
Cheers. nice patch. xcept the vaga looks kinda *** rofl
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Kadoes Khan
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Posted - 2007.12.07 05:52:00 -
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Originally by: BABARR The new raven torp is simply omg*******overpowered. HEAVY DPS from 0 to more than 25km whith : choice of dammage, no tracking issue, no cap use. It's done more damage than a blasterboat (I want gaph whith dmg/range !).
It's not really a whine, i just going to buy a CNR to pvp instead a mega navy, but it's a shame to fly caldari's toy to do more damage in close range .
You may want to consider explosion velocity, explosion radius and missile velocity. -=^=- "Someday the world will recognize the genius in my insanity." |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2007.12.07 06:25:00 -
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Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Ok, don't fit an MWD. Then don't complain when a Ammar BS blow you from 31 km while you being tacled by an arazu.
i think a huggin/rapier would be far scarier for the raven in this situation
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Sharkk
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Posted - 2007.12.07 06:58:00 -
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the torp change has definitely slowed the Raven down a little in the mission pwange department but the PvP raven got a nice little nudge in the right direction ..33% dps increase still wont match a neutron-Thron or a gankadon but it can select damage type so fair trade
as an aside .....Caldari navy torp's do 517 base damage ..while Rage torp's do a whopping 540.....is there any reason at all to suffer all the drawbacks of T2 rage torp's for 23 extra damage????
seem borked to me
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Atius Tirawa
Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 07:28:00 -
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Originally by: Requiescat
Wow, do you live under a rock or something? This has been on the table for quite some time and you're just now finding out about it?
25% more rate of fire means 33% more missiles going into space. 33% more missiles means 33% more damage. 33% more damage means 33% faster kills, which then means 33% more kills in general, which means that if I fly a Raven I MAY GET A POSITIVE KILLBOARD RATIO ZOMG quote]
I LOLed Its good to see some Caldari love - finally. Next up is Amarr - then we are all happy. -----------
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BABARR
PARABELUM-Project
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Posted - 2007.12.07 09:06:00 -
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Quote: You may want to consider explosion velocity, explosion radius and missile velocity.
If i consider that, only nanoship are a problem, and they are a probleme for a blasterboat too. ...
"Si vis pacem, parabellum" |
Grimpak
Gallente Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2007.12.07 09:18:00 -
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4 med TP drones + 1 heavy web drone
helps increasing your damage a bit, but bring a friend in a tackler, and another one in a huginn with a TP or 2 ---
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2007.12.07 09:25:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak and another one in a huginn with a TP or 2
Actually, Bellicose has just been made useful as Raven support. Sit a long way off and just turn on the PWNAGE ;)
Rifters!
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Grimpak
Gallente Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2007.12.07 09:26:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Grimpak and another one in a huginn with a TP or 2
Actually, Bellicose has just been made useful as Raven support. Sit a long way off and just turn on the PWNAGE ;)
that too
oh and we could add a vigil or a hyena to the equation too. ---
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sedicious
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Posted - 2007.12.07 09:57:00 -
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I need a solid pvp setup for tonight. Probably me(raven) and a corpmate (domi) vs. 2 armaggedons. Whatcha got?
I was thinking
6Xsiege (Arbalest/ZW) 2X remote armor repairers 3XLSEII , MWD , Disruptor II, Web BCSII/Whatever to get it to fit
3X extender rigs
3X Medium Armor repair drones or 5X ECM drones
What do you think?
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Culitza
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: sedicious I need a solid pvp setup for tonight. Probably me(raven) and a corpmate (domi) vs. 2 armaggedons. Whatcha got?
I was thinking
6Xsiege (Arbalest/ZW) 2X remote armor repairers 3XLSEII , MWD , Disruptor II, Web BCSII/Whatever to get it to fit
3X extender rigs
3X Medium Armor repair drones or 5X ECM drones
What do you think?
take off web and disruptor, let the domi handle that.
6 x siege II, I guess nos 3 x LSE II, photon scattering field II, 2 x invuln 3 x bcs II, 2 x pdu II
3 x extender rigs.
5 x med ecm drones
Domi should be dual cap injected neut boat imo u should break them fast if they're active tanked. if not, well u gonna die
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Gamesguy
Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:56:00 -
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Originally by: Culitza
Originally by: sedicious I need a solid pvp setup for tonight. Probably me(raven) and a corpmate (domi) vs. 2 armaggedons. Whatcha got?
I was thinking
6Xsiege (Arbalest/ZW) 2X remote armor repairers 3XLSEII , MWD , Disruptor II, Web BCSII/Whatever to get it to fit
3X extender rigs
3X Medium Armor repair drones or 5X ECM drones
What do you think?
take off web and disruptor, let the domi handle that.
6 x siege II, I guess nos 3 x LSE II, photon scattering field II, 2 x invuln 3 x bcs II, 2 x pdu II
3 x extender rigs.
5 x med ecm drones
Domi should be dual cap injected neut boat imo u should break them fast if they're active tanked. if not, well u gonna die
A neut domi can pretty much completely shutdown one geddon(blow up his heavy drones with your mediums), and then use 5x heavy ecm drones to pretty much shutdown the other.
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Bellicose
Gallente Beets and Gravy Syndicate Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:59:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
Actually, Bellicose has just been made useful as Raven support. Sit a long way off and just turn on the PWNAGE ;)
iam running a guardian as support for my alts raven thise days thinking of adding a second xl booster for missions since i can perma give 1404 cap every 5 sec
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Roy Gordon
Caldari The Star Wolves Aunni Ti Tsuun Consortium
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Posted - 2007.12.07 11:20:00 -
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I've not used torp launchers since the patch so cannot comment on range or effectiveness apart from this- Were not torps supposed to be anti-Battleship/Capital ship/base/POS weapons? Who in their right mind wants to go toe to toe with battleships or capital ships? And as for having to close to torp range against POS's, or NPC bases on missions, anyone suggest how you avoid those Neut, NOS, Gun and missile towers all of whom are going to be doing a world of hurt to you before you can close to the now puny torp range? That which does not kill us makes us stronger. The Universe is ruled by three basic principles- Matter, Energy and Enlightened Self-Interest! |
Insomnias
Caldari Les Malfrats
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Posted - 2007.12.07 11:34:00 -
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Edited by: Insomnias on 07/12/2007 11:36:03
Originally by: Sharkk the torp change has definitely slowed the Raven down a little in the mission pwange department but the PvP raven got a nice little nudge in the right direction ..33% dps increase still wont match a neutron-Thron or a gankadon but it can select damage type so fair trade
as an aside .....Caldari navy torp's do 517 base damage ..while Rage torp's do a whopping 540.....is there any reason at all to suffer all the drawbacks of T2 rage torp's for 23 extra damage????
seem borked to me
+ 1000 !
im invested much time, in torp skills missiles for nothing !
thx ccp for you stupid decision to nerf the torp range !
all player cry because the sniper gun is tooo hard and ccp nerf the snipe. all player cry because the nos is too hard an ccp nerf the nos.
and what now ?
eve online is a very god game, but the ccp nerf,kill the game is me opinion sorry...
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Sin Meng
Gallente Helios Incorporated Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.12.07 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Insomnias Edited by: Insomnias on 07/12/2007 11:40:30
Originally by: Sharkk the torp change has definitely slowed the Raven down a little in the mission pwange department but the PvP raven got a nice little nudge in the right direction ..33% dps increase still wont match a neutron-Thron or a gankadon but it can select damage type so fair trade
as an aside .....Caldari navy torp's do 517 base damage ..while Rage torp's do a whopping 540.....is there any reason at all to suffer all the drawbacks of T2 rage torp's for 23 extra damage????
seem borked to me
+ 1000 !
im invested much time, in torp skills missiles for nothing !
thx ccp for you stupid decision to nerf the torp range !
all player cry because the sniper gun is too hard and ccp nerf the snipe. all player cry because the nos is too hard an ccp nerf the nos.
and what now ? eve online is a very god game, but the ccp nerf,kill the game,...is me opinion sorry.
I usually don't reply to such things but... bitter much? Your carebear tears will only make us stronger. -------------------------
EVE is a sandbox with land mines, deal with it. |
Insomnias
Caldari Les Malfrats
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Posted - 2007.12.07 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Sin Meng
Originally by: Insomnias Edited by: Insomnias on 07/12/2007 11:40:30
Originally by: Sharkk the torp change has definitely slowed the Raven down a little in the mission pwange department but the PvP raven got a nice little nudge in the right direction ..33% dps increase still wont match a neutron-Thron or a gankadon but it can select damage type so fair trade
as an aside .....Caldari navy torp's do 517 base damage ..while Rage torp's do a whopping 540.....is there any reason at all to suffer all the drawbacks of T2 rage torp's for 23 extra damage????
seem borked to me
+ 1000 !
im invested much time, in torp skills missiles for nothing !
thx ccp for you stupid decision to nerf the torp range !
all player cry because the sniper gun is too hard and ccp nerf the snipe. all player cry because the nos is too hard an ccp nerf the nos.
and what now ? eve online is a very god game, but the ccp nerf,kill the game,...is me opinion sorry.
I usually don't reply to such things but... bitter much? Your carebear tears will only make us stronger.
only in your dream
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AFTRUNX
Human Liberty Syndicate TALIONIS ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2007.12.07 11:53:00 -
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Edited by: AFTRUNX on 07/12/2007 11:55:45 Edited by: AFTRUNX on 07/12/2007 11:55:11
Originally by: Zar Dim
Originally by: Photus Has anyone else seen this? I was on Angel Extraveganza (if that makes a difference). I had heard of a possible nerf to torps, but this seems excessive.
Well using maxed skills and javelling torps you can get 45km IIRC. Yes that's huge nerf to torps on missions.
o/ Signed..
I use my Nighthawk for any lvl4, and if i ca affort it a marauder... My Siege Raven will be used now for PVP.. i have also a Range of ~45k with javelin.
Nerf isn't really a nerf for me.. it's the same situation as all other have.. Short range more damage = Siege Long range less damage = cruise
Short range more damage = blaster Long range less damage = rails..
and so one....
AFT --------------------------------------------
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Ancy Denaries
Caldari Isseras Manufacture
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Posted - 2007.12.07 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Photus Forgive me if I'm hijacking your thread, it's not my intent.
I have a fitting very similar to yours, and it typically gets me by very well. However, last night I patched to Trinity, and watched as my damage output approached zero. Normally, I'm able to hit battleships 80KM out and do a fair amount of damage (the flight time is just huge). With the push to Trinity, I wasn't doing ANYTHING to them till I was within 18KM. I literally had to run up beside them and broadside them!
Has anyone else seen this? I was on Angel Extraveganza (if that makes a difference). I had heard of a possible nerf to torps, but this seems excessive.
Not reading patchnotes ftl?
Rockets -> HAMs -> Torps SM -> HM -> Cruise
Notice anything?
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Cypress Cavalero
The Steel Ravens
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Posted - 2007.12.07 11:59:00 -
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ccp: hey ie got an idea lets make torps a close range weapon Shall we give them the means to get in close to use it? NAA they should have to try to squeeze tankiing tackling cap and now speed needed to do so into the **** poor 6 midslots and oh so unhelpful 5 lows 2 of which need to be fitting modles cos we wil leave the pg/cpu at suck level yeah this is the best pvp change ever! lets face it ravens have been and always will be eves practical joke.
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Ogul
Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.12.07 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: BABARR
Quote: You may want to consider explosion velocity, explosion radius and missile velocity.
If i consider that, only nanoship are a problem, and they are a probleme for a blasterboat too.
Yea the base explosion velocity of 250 m/s on standard torps is nano territory alright (and completely different from turret tracking issues)...
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Augeas
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Posted - 2007.12.07 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Cypress Cavalero ccp: hey ie got an idea lets make torps a close range weapon Shall we give them the means to get in close to use it? NAA they should have to try to squeeze tankiing tackling cap and now speed needed to do so into the **** poor 6 midslots and oh so unhelpful 5 lows 2 of which need to be fitting modles cos we wil leave the pg/cpu at suck level yeah this is the best pvp change ever! lets face it ravens have been and always will be eves practical joke.
Your mistake here is active-tanking your Raven.
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