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Requiescat Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2007.12.06 14:41:00 - [1] I'm currently staring at this: Quote: 6x Siege II 2x E50 Neut XL Booster II 2x Invuln II 2x Boost amp I Heavy cap booster 3x BCS II Fitting junk Rigs - ACR, EM Screen, Thermal Screen Hammerhead IIs I get about ~6s refire on my torps, which is an amount of DPS roughly equal to the sum total of wtfpwnsaucelolbbqrofl How can I improve this setup? I'd like to possibly drop a boost amp for a disruptor or painter, and maybe get some better cap out of it somehow. My cap skills are all at 4, and I am working on shield compensation 4 at present. As a side note I'm generally too poor to afford deadspace/officer gear, though faction is negotiable. So, any suggestions? <-- Sig starts here. Victory - Honor = Loss My face + your chest = pain
Zar Dim Minmatar Anus Horriblis	Posted - 2007.12.06 14:49:00 - [2] Edited by: Zar Dim on 06/12/2007 14:50:02 Eh... TP, MWD?
Riho Northen Breeze	Posted - 2007.12.06 14:51:00 - [3] my fit: 6x sieget t2, whayever fits 8neuts are my choise) 3x lse, 2x invul, painter 3x bcu, dcu, whatever. 3x extender rigs about 30k shields whit ok resists. the "new" gank thron :P allso : 6x siege 3x lse, invul, painter, mwd 3x bcu, dcu, istab (to help get speed up) 3x extender rigs whit the second fit i killed quite abit before i died :)
Requiescat Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2007.12.06 14:54:00 - [4] Ugh, why would you fit an MWD on a Raven :( I'm looking at the possibility of swapping out my Hammerheads for Vespa TP-600s, would this be an increase in my dps? <-- Sig starts here. Victory - Honor = Loss My face + your chest = pain
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.06 14:54:00 - [5] Screw the resist amps, fit flight time rigs or cap rigs instead. Originally by: ISD Cortes You're at liberty to use the rolling sig you had, as long as there's no chimeras covering the nether regions of voluptuous females
me bored	Posted - 2007.12.06 14:57:00 - [6] I'm new to ravens so forgive me if I'm being naive but wont you run out of cap rather rapidly with that
Zar Dim Minmatar Anus Horriblis	Posted - 2007.12.06 14:59:00 - [7] Originally by: Requiescat Ugh, why would you fit an MWD on a Raven :( Quote: Well if you want great numbers in quickfit then you shouldn't but if you want to actually hit something that moves... Well have you checked torps range?
Captain Tennille Provehito In Altum	Posted - 2007.12.06 15:01:00 - [8] Edited by: Captain Tennille on 06/12/2007 15:01:37 snip
Requiescat Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2007.12.06 15:03:00 - [9] Originally by: Sokratesz Screw the resist amps, fit flight time rigs or cap rigs instead. With the resist rigs I come out hardened to all >60%, which I like. Flight time I'm not worried about, with those neuts on I'm not going anywhere near leaving torp range even with the flight time reduction. The cap booster is for keeping me from going cap dead. If anything, I'll swap on an RCU2 and switch the ACR for something more useful. Originally by: me bored I'm new to ravens so forgive me if I'm being naive but wont you run out of cap rather rapidly with that First of all, you don't run the booster constantly. With good resists and a decently skilled player you can manually toggle the booster and still tank the damage of an average battleship. The cap booster comes in handy if you fight a cap warfare sort of ship, or if you fight something that requires a lot of booster attention to tank you can use it to keep you around peak recharge. Originally by: Zar Dim Well have you checked torps range? lol? Yes I have, nowhere did I state that this was a solo BS setup. Tacklers are implied <-- Sig starts here. Victory - Honor = Loss My face + your chest = pain
Photus Caldari Roll For Initiative	Posted - 2007.12.06 15:05:00 - [10] Forgive me if I'm hijacking your thread, it's not my intent. I have a fitting very similar to yours, and it typically gets me by very well. However, last night I patched to Trinity, and watched as my damage output approached zero. Normally, I'm able to hit battleships 80KM out and do a fair amount of damage (the flight time is just huge). With the push to Trinity, I wasn't doing ANYTHING to them till I was within 18KM. I literally had to run up beside them and broadside them! Has anyone else seen this? I was on Angel Extraveganza (if that makes a difference). I had heard of a possible nerf to torps, but this seems excessive. It just goes to show you that you shouldn't kneel down in front of the third rail, grab it with both hands, and **** on it from three feet away.
Requiescat Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2007.12.06 15:06:00 - [11] Originally by: Photus Forgive me if I'm hijacking your thread, it's not my intent. I have a fitting very similar to yours, and it typically gets me by very well. However, last night I patched to Trinity, and watched as my damage output approached zero. Normally, I'm able to hit battleships 80KM out and do a fair amount of damage (the flight time is just huge). With the push to Trinity, I wasn't doing ANYTHING to them till I was within 18KM. I literally had to run up beside them and broadside them! Has anyone else seen this? I was on Angel Extraveganza (if that makes a difference). I had heard of a possible nerf to torps, but this seems excessive. Uh... Yeah. Torps got a burf. The flight time was significantly reduced, while rate of fire was bumped across the board by 25%. Refit cruises for missions. <-- Sig starts here. Victory - Honor = Loss My face + your chest = pain
Zar Dim Minmatar Anus Horriblis	Posted - 2007.12.06 15:09:00 - [12] Then go for full gank, fit 2 TP and use rages.
Zar Dim Minmatar Anus Horriblis	Posted - 2007.12.06 15:10:00 - [13] Originally by: Photus Has anyone else seen this? I was on Angel Extraveganza (if that makes a difference). I had heard of a possible nerf to torps, but this seems excessive. Well using maxed skills and javelling torps you can get 45km IIRC. Yes that's huge nerf to torps on missions.
Requiescat Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2007.12.06 15:11:00 - [14] Originally by: Zar Dim Then go for full gank, fit 2 TP and use rages. Rages are no, I'm running Caldari Navy torps, they work just fine. <3cap <-- Sig starts here. Victory - Honor = Loss My face + your chest = pain
Gok Tor Caldari coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.06 15:14:00 - [15] Torps have not been boosted but more of a removing there PVE capabilities and replacing them with PVP capablities.
Photus Caldari Roll For Initiative	Posted - 2007.12.06 15:24:00 - [16] How does that add to their PVP? As in close in fighting? No more torp sniping huh? The only real issue I have with that is this: destroying structures with torps was so much easier than with cruise! It just goes to show you that you shouldn't kneel down in front of the third rail, grab it with both hands, and **** on it from three feet away.
Requiescat Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2007.12.06 15:27:00 - [17] Originally by: Photus How does that add to their PVP? As in close in fighting? No more torp sniping huh? The only real issue I have with that is this: destroying structures with torps was so much easier than with cruise! Wow, do you live under a rock or something? This has been on the table for quite some time and you're just now finding out about it? 25% more rate of fire means 33% more missiles going into space. 33% more missiles means 33% more damage. 33% more damage means 33% faster kills, which then means 33% more kills in general, which means that if I fly a Raven I MAY GET A POSITIVE KILLBOARD RATIO ZOMG Yeah, for close range. What other range would you use them at now? <-- Sig starts here. Victory - Honor = Loss My face + your chest = pain
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Infinity Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.06 15:44:00 - [18] Originally by: Requiescat Originally by: Sokratesz Screw the resist amps, fit flight time rigs or cap rigs instead. With the resist rigs I come out hardened to all >60%, which I like. Flight time I'm not worried about, with those neuts on I'm not going anywhere near leaving torp range even with the flight time reduction. The cap booster is for keeping me from going cap dead. If anything, I'll swap on an RCU2 and switch the ACR for something more useful. Originally by: me bored I'm new to ravens so forgive me if I'm being naive but wont you run out of cap rather rapidly with that First of all, you don't run the booster constantly. With good resists and a decently skilled player you can manually toggle the booster and still tank the damage of an average battleship. The cap booster comes in handy if you fight a cap warfare sort of ship, or if you fight something that requires a lot of booster attention to tank you can use it to keep you around peak recharge. Originally by: Zar Dim Well have you checked torps range? lol? Yes I have, nowhere did I state that this was a solo BS setup. Tacklers are implied Ok, don't fit an MWD. Then don't complain when a Ammar BS blow you from 31 km while you being tacled by an arazu. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Gypsio III Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.06 15:50:00 - [19] Fitting is tight on a torp Raven, so tight that MWD and active tank doesn't really work without fitting mods. But since active tanks aren't that great in gang pvp, let's go passive. 6x Siege II, 2x whatever fits - smarties, reppers MWD, PWNAGE, 2x LSE II, 2x Inv II DC, 3x BCS II, something - maybe a sensor backup array? 3x extender rigs Just hope you don't meet too many laser boats.
Photus Caldari Roll For Initiative	Posted - 2007.12.06 15:51:00 - [20] Originally by: Requiescat Originally by: Photus How does that add to their PVP? As in close in fighting? No more torp sniping huh? The only real issue I have with that is this: destroying structures with torps was so much easier than with cruise! Wow, do you live under a rock or something? This has been on the table for quite some time and you're just now finding out about it? 25% more rate of fire means 33% more missiles going into space. 33% more missiles means 33% more damage. 33% more damage means 33% faster kills, which then means 33% more kills in general, which means that if I fly a Raven I MAY GET A POSITIVE KILLBOARD RATIO ZOMG Yeah, for close range. What other range would you use them at now? Torps have typically been used for distance shots; doing loads of damage to large targets that were farther away from you. As for where I've been, right here. People have been telling me there was a change coming, but no one could tell me exactly what it was. A search of the site for "torpedo" brings up threads from 3 years ago . . . which isn't exactly helpful. It just goes to show you that you shouldn't kneel down in front of the third rail, grab it with both hands, and **** on it from three feet away.
Requiescat Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2007.12.06 15:53:00 - [21] Originally by: Kagura Nikon Originally by: Requiescat Originally by: Sokratesz Screw the resist amps, fit flight time rigs or cap rigs instead. With the resist rigs I come out hardened to all >60%, which I like. Flight time I'm not worried about, with those neuts on I'm not going anywhere near leaving torp range even with the flight time reduction. The cap booster is for keeping me from going cap dead. If anything, I'll swap on an RCU2 and switch the ACR for something more useful. Originally by: me bored I'm new to ravens so forgive me if I'm being naive but wont you run out of cap rather rapidly with that First of all, you don't run the booster constantly. With good resists and a decently skilled player you can manually toggle the booster and still tank the damage of an average battleship. The cap booster comes in handy if you fight a cap warfare sort of ship, or if you fight something that requires a lot of booster attention to tank you can use it to keep you around peak recharge. Originally by: Zar Dim Well have you checked torps range? lol? Yes I have, nowhere did I state that this was a solo BS setup. Tacklers are implied Ok, don't fit an MWD. Then don't complain when a Ammar BS blow you from 31 km while you being tacled by an arazu. OK, don't active tank then. Ravens can't do both at the same time. Ravens are slow as hell anyway, fitting an MWD on a standard Raven would get you about 750-800m/s. Why even bother? It's just gonna burn through your cap. BTW, with the tackler I suggested above, your Arazu becomes moot 'cos every Arazu pilot I've met has damped whoever had a point and warped at the first sign of trouble. Then, reload Javs and lol at the Amarr BS who, depending on his fit, probably isn't going to do any better. Worst case scenario I have to warp; I don't have anyone scrambling me anymore, remember? :) <-- Sig starts here. Victory - Honor = Loss My face + your chest = pain
Requiescat Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2007.12.06 15:54:00 - [22] Originally by: Photus Torps have typically been used for distance shots; doing loads of damage to large targets that were farther away from you. As for where I've been, right here. People have been telling me there was a change coming, but no one could tell me exactly what it was. A search of the site for "torpedo" brings up threads from 3 years ago . . . which isn't exactly helpful. I used to get ~140km with torps on my Raven, BS4. I get 205km with cruises. Guh? <-- Sig starts here. Victory - Honor = Loss My face + your chest = pain
Jim Steele Dead By Dawn	Posted - 2007.12.06 16:09:00 - [23] 30KM is pretty good range for a high damage setup. Torps were balanced since doing the same damage from 0 - 100KM was slightly unbalanced. You just need to fit cruise and snipe or torps and a AB to get into close quarters... Jim Author of "The Apoc Guide"
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.06 16:11:00 - [24] A resist rig gives you 30% (stacking penalized) resist improving your tank by 7.5% at most on average. A ccc gives you 17% more cap recharge to spend on tank (with 2:1 efficiency) or various other mods Hence, using resist amps or single hardeners in combination with invu fields is never, ever worth it. Originally by: ISD Cortes You're at liberty to use the rolling sig you had, as long as there's no chimeras covering the nether regions of voluptuous females
AnKahn Caldari Repo Industries	Posted - 2007.12.06 16:59:00 - [25] I will admit Socrat is very well versed with ships fits, but slightly biased. If you use a resist rig or two it allows you to drop an active hardener and replace it with, I donno, maybe a TP. I'm not sure I'm going to always rely on others to paint for me. Plus CCC rigs run 20 mil. Resist rigs run maybe 7 mil. Rigging PvP T1 ships is a little silly to begin with, but using "cheap" rigs to give you an extra midslot seems smarter. However, I'm still new so feel free to disagree. And this is a PvP game guys. Please don't whine about the torp changes mission runners. Seems like you're playing the wrong game.
Naviset	Posted - 2007.12.06 17:05:00 - [26] Originally by: Requiescat Originally by: Kagura Nikon Originally by: Requiescat Originally by: Sokratesz Screw the resist amps, fit flight time rigs or cap rigs instead. With the resist rigs I come out hardened to all >60%, which I like. Flight time I'm not worried about, with those neuts on I'm not going anywhere near leaving torp range even with the flight time reduction. The cap booster is for keeping me from going cap dead. If anything, I'll swap on an RCU2 and switch the ACR for something more useful. Originally by: me bored I'm new to ravens so forgive me if I'm being naive but wont you run out of cap rather rapidly with that First of all, you don't run the booster constantly. With good resists and a decently skilled player you can manually toggle the booster and still tank the damage of an average battleship. The cap booster comes in handy if you fight a cap warfare sort of ship, or if you fight something that requires a lot of booster attention to tank you can use it to keep you around peak recharge. Originally by: Zar Dim Well have you checked torps range? lol? Yes I have, nowhere did I state that this was a solo BS setup. Tacklers are implied Ok, don't fit an MWD. Then don't complain when a Ammar BS blow you from 31 km while you being tacled by an arazu. OK, don't active tank then. Ravens can't do both at the same time. Ravens are slow as hell anyway, fitting an MWD on a standard Raven would get you about 750-800m/s. Why even bother? It's just gonna burn through your cap. BTW, with the tackler I suggested above, your Arazu becomes moot 'cos every Arazu pilot I've met has damped whoever had a point and warped at the first sign of trouble. Then, reload Javs and lol at the Amarr BS who, depending on his fit, probably isn't going to do any better. Worst case scenario I have to warp; I don't have anyone scrambling me anymore, remember? :) PVP experience > Theorycraft
LUH 3471	Posted - 2007.12.06 17:07:00 - [27] how much dps does the raven with rage and faction torps now on another bs ?
LtCmdrCass Amarr Explora Empire	Posted - 2007.12.06 17:10:00 - [28] Originally by: AnKahn I will admit Socrat is very well versed with ships fits, but slightly biased. If you use a resist rig or two it allows you to drop an active hardener and replace it with, I donno, maybe a TP. I'm not sure I'm going to always rely on others to paint for me. Plus CCC rigs run 20 mil. Resist rigs run maybe 7 mil. Rigging PvP T1 ships is a little silly to begin with, but using "cheap" rigs to give you an extra midslot seems smarter. However, I'm still new so feel free to disagree. And this is a PvP game guys. Please don't whine about the torp changes mission runners. Seems like you're playing the wrong game. LOL. I agree with you about not rigging pvp ships. But saying EVE is a PvP game? I seem to remember doing nothing but missions and ratting the first month I started playing so I could buy skill books and better modules. I think saying EVE is a PvP game for experienced players would be more accurate. Some of us still enjoy (and make more money) running missions and ratting.
BABARR PARABELUM-Project	Posted - 2007.12.06 17:14:00 - [29] The new raven torp is simply omg*****overpowered. HEAVY DPS from 0 to more than 25km whith : choice of dammage, no tracking issue, no cap use. It's done more damage than a blasterboat (I want gaph whith dmg/range !). It's not really a whine, i just going to buy a CNR to pvp instead a mega navy, but it's a shame to fly caldari's toy to do more damage in close range . ... "Si vis pacem, parabellum"**
LUH 3471	Posted - 2007.12.06 18:03:00 - [30] Originally by: BABARR The new raven torp is simply omg*******overpowered. HEAVY DPS from 0 to more than 25km whith : choice of dammage, no tracking issue, no cap use. It's done more damage than a blasterboat (I want gaph whith dmg/range !). It's not really a whine, i just going to buy a CNR to pvp instead a mega navy, but it's a shame to fly caldari's toy to do more damage in close range . qft take a look at it ccp balance honcho plss
BABARR PARABELUM-Project	Posted - 2007.12.06 18:04:00 - [31] You got a link? ... "Si vis pacem, parabellum"
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2007.12.06 18:08:00 - [32] Originally by: Riho my fit: 6x sieget t2, whayever fits 8neuts are my choise) 3x lse, 2x invul, painter 3x bcu, dcu, whatever. 3x extender rigs about 30k shields whit ok resists. the "new" gank thron :P allso : 6x siege 3x lse, invul, painter, mwd 3x bcu, dcu, istab (to help get speed up) 3x extender rigs whit the second fit i killed quite abit before i died :) I have to admit - I wasn't a fan of passive tanking a Raven - but I completely forgot about 3 extender rigs! 30K shields sounds great if you have a MWD (gonna have to lose some PDU's to get RCU but meh can't have it all). Good idea bud. __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
Dreadpilot Roberts Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.06 19:40:00 - [33] Originally by: BABARR The new raven torp is simply omg*****overpowered. HEAVY DPS from 0 to more than 25km whith : choice of dammage, no tracking issue, no cap use. It's done more damage than a blasterboat (I want gaph whith dmg/range !). It's not really a whine, i just going to buy a CNR to pvp instead a mega navy, but it's a shame to fly caldari's toy to do more damage in close range . sure, but, will it blend ? using a cnr to pvp means either you're "slow" or very very rich. anyway. gallente blasterboats still have :speed, better passive tank, plated up and the damage is kinda similar ( without including tracking/falloff into calculation ). I'm glad torps got a boost, caldari now has a ship to omgwtfbbq ppl if helped by some support like an inty or recon. And the thing u said about torps having no tracking issue .... uhm dude ... first there sig radius, then there's the fact that torps are not guided like cruise so if u orbit with somewhat high speed a torp boat it cant hit sh. Uhm yeah, for ppl that think that raven is now a solo-pwn-mobile and are searching for setups to omgbbqketchup ppl on their own. U fail, u miss the point of the game, there's no solo pvp, sort ur lifes out u noobs. Cheers. nice patch. xcept the vaga looks kinda *** rofl I'm sorry, did I say u could speak ?
Kadoes Khan	Posted - 2007.12.07 05:52:00 - [34] Originally by: BABARR The new raven torp is simply omg*******overpowered. HEAVY DPS from 0 to more than 25km whith : choice of dammage, no tracking issue, no cap use. It's done more damage than a blasterboat (I want gaph whith dmg/range !). It's not really a whine, i just going to buy a CNR to pvp instead a mega navy, but it's a shame to fly caldari's toy to do more damage in close range . You may want to consider explosion velocity, explosion radius and missile velocity. -=^=- "Someday the world will recognize the genius in my insanity."
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2007.12.07 06:25:00 - [35] Originally by: Kagura Nikon Ok, don't fit an MWD. Then don't complain when a Ammar BS blow you from 31 km while you being tacled by an arazu. i think a huggin/rapier would be far scarier for the raven in this situation
Sharkk	Posted - 2007.12.07 06:58:00 - [36] the torp change has definitely slowed the Raven down a little in the mission pwange department but the PvP raven got a nice little nudge in the right direction ..33% dps increase still wont match a neutron-Thron or a gankadon but it can select damage type so fair trade as an aside .....Caldari navy torp's do 517 base damage ..while Rage torp's do a whopping 540.....is there any reason at all to suffer all the drawbacks of T2 rage torp's for 23 extra damage???? seem borked to me
Atius Tirawa Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.07 07:28:00 - [37] Originally by: Requiescat Wow, do you live under a rock or something? This has been on the table for quite some time and you're just now finding out about it? 25% more rate of fire means 33% more missiles going into space. 33% more missiles means 33% more damage. 33% more damage means 33% faster kills, which then means 33% more kills in general, which means that if I fly a Raven I MAY GET A POSITIVE KILLBOARD RATIO ZOMG quote] I LOLed Its good to see some Caldari love - finally. Next up is Amarr - then we are all happy. -----------
BABARR PARABELUM-Project	Posted - 2007.12.07 09:06:00 - [38] Quote: You may want to consider explosion velocity, explosion radius and missile velocity. If i consider that, only nanoship are a problem, and they are a probleme for a blasterboat too. ... "Si vis pacem, parabellum"
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2007.12.07 09:18:00 - [39] 4 med TP drones + 1 heavy web drone helps increasing your damage a bit, but bring a friend in a tackler, and another one in a huginn with a TP or 2 --- planetary interaction idea!
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.12.07 09:25:00 - [40] Originally by: Grimpak and another one in a huginn with a TP or 2 Actually, Bellicose has just been made useful as Raven support. Sit a long way off and just turn on the PWNAGE ;) Rifters!
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2007.12.07 09:26:00 - [41] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Grimpak and another one in a huginn with a TP or 2 Actually, Bellicose has just been made useful as Raven support. Sit a long way off and just turn on the PWNAGE ;) that too oh and we could add a vigil or a hyena to the equation too. --- planetary interaction idea!
sedicious	Posted - 2007.12.07 09:57:00 - [42] I need a solid pvp setup for tonight. Probably me(raven) and a corpmate (domi) vs. 2 armaggedons. Whatcha got? I was thinking 6Xsiege (Arbalest/ZW) 2X remote armor repairers 3XLSEII , MWD , Disruptor II, Web BCSII/Whatever to get it to fit 3X extender rigs 3X Medium Armor repair drones or 5X ECM drones What do you think?
Culitza	Posted - 2007.12.07 10:46:00 - [43] Originally by: sedicious I need a solid pvp setup for tonight. Probably me(raven) and a corpmate (domi) vs. 2 armaggedons. Whatcha got? I was thinking 6Xsiege (Arbalest/ZW) 2X remote armor repairers 3XLSEII , MWD , Disruptor II, Web BCSII/Whatever to get it to fit 3X extender rigs 3X Medium Armor repair drones or 5X ECM drones What do you think? take off web and disruptor, let the domi handle that. 6 x siege II, I guess nos 3 x LSE II, photon scattering field II, 2 x invuln 3 x bcs II, 2 x pdu II 3 x extender rigs. 5 x med ecm drones Domi should be dual cap injected neut boat imo u should break them fast if they're active tanked. if not, well u gonna die
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.07 10:56:00 - [44] Originally by: Culitza Originally by: sedicious I need a solid pvp setup for tonight. Probably me(raven) and a corpmate (domi) vs. 2 armaggedons. Whatcha got? I was thinking 6Xsiege (Arbalest/ZW) 2X remote armor repairers 3XLSEII , MWD , Disruptor II, Web BCSII/Whatever to get it to fit 3X extender rigs 3X Medium Armor repair drones or 5X ECM drones What do you think? take off web and disruptor, let the domi handle that. 6 x siege II, I guess nos 3 x LSE II, photon scattering field II, 2 x invuln 3 x bcs II, 2 x pdu II 3 x extender rigs. 5 x med ecm drones Domi should be dual cap injected neut boat imo u should break them fast if they're active tanked. if not, well u gonna die A neut domi can pretty much completely shutdown one geddon(blow up his heavy drones with your mediums), and then use 5x heavy ecm drones to pretty much shutdown the other.
Bellicose Gallente Beets and Gravy Syndicate Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.12.07 10:59:00 - [45] Originally by: Cpt Branko Actually, Bellicose has just been made useful as Raven support. Sit a long way off and just turn on the PWNAGE ;) iam running a guardian as support for my alts raven thise days thinking of adding a second xl booster for missions since i can perma give 1404 cap every 5 sec too lazy to resize signature clicky clicky instead
Roy Gordon Caldari The Star Wolves Aunni Ti Tsuun Consortium	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:20:00 - [46] I've not used torp launchers since the patch so cannot comment on range or effectiveness apart from this- Were not torps supposed to be anti-Battleship/Capital ship/base/POS weapons? Who in their right mind wants to go toe to toe with battleships or capital ships? And as for having to close to torp range against POS's, or NPC bases on missions, anyone suggest how you avoid those Neut, NOS, Gun and missile towers all of whom are going to be doing a world of hurt to you before you can close to the now puny torp range? That which does not kill us makes us stronger. The Universe is ruled by three basic principles- Matter, Energy and Enlightened Self-Interest!
Insomnias Caldari Les Malfrats	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:34:00 - [47] Edited by: Insomnias on 07/12/2007 11:36:03 Originally by: Sharkk the torp change has definitely slowed the Raven down a little in the mission pwange department but the PvP raven got a nice little nudge in the right direction ..33% dps increase still wont match a neutron-Thron or a gankadon but it can select damage type so fair trade as an aside .....Caldari navy torp's do 517 base damage ..while Rage torp's do a whopping 540.....is there any reason at all to suffer all the drawbacks of T2 rage torp's for 23 extra damage???? seem borked to me + 1000 ! im invested much time, in torp skills missiles for nothing ! thx ccp for you stupid decision to nerf the torp range ! all player cry because the sniper gun is tooo hard and ccp nerf the snipe. all player cry because the nos is too hard an ccp nerf the nos. and what now ? eve online is a very god game, but the ccp nerf,kill the game is me opinion sorry...
Sin Meng Gallente Helios Incorporated Insurgency	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:44:00 - [48] Originally by: Insomnias Edited by: Insomnias on 07/12/2007 11:40:30 Originally by: Sharkk the torp change has definitely slowed the Raven down a little in the mission pwange department but the PvP raven got a nice little nudge in the right direction ..33% dps increase still wont match a neutron-Thron or a gankadon but it can select damage type so fair trade as an aside .....Caldari navy torp's do 517 base damage ..while Rage torp's do a whopping 540.....is there any reason at all to suffer all the drawbacks of T2 rage torp's for 23 extra damage???? seem borked to me + 1000 ! im invested much time, in torp skills missiles for nothing ! thx ccp for you stupid decision to nerf the torp range ! all player cry because the sniper gun is too hard and ccp nerf the snipe. all player cry because the nos is too hard an ccp nerf the nos. and what now ? eve online is a very god game, but the ccp nerf,kill the game,...is me opinion sorry. I usually don't reply to such things but... bitter much? Your carebear tears will only make us stronger. ------------------------- EVE is a sandbox with land mines, deal with it.
Insomnias Caldari Les Malfrats	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:50:00 - [49] Originally by: Sin Meng Originally by: Insomnias Edited by: Insomnias on 07/12/2007 11:40:30 Originally by: Sharkk the torp change has definitely slowed the Raven down a little in the mission pwange department but the PvP raven got a nice little nudge in the right direction ..33% dps increase still wont match a neutron-Thron or a gankadon but it can select damage type so fair trade as an aside .....Caldari navy torp's do 517 base damage ..while Rage torp's do a whopping 540.....is there any reason at all to suffer all the drawbacks of T2 rage torp's for 23 extra damage???? seem borked to me + 1000 ! im invested much time, in torp skills missiles for nothing ! thx ccp for you stupid decision to nerf the torp range ! all player cry because the sniper gun is too hard and ccp nerf the snipe. all player cry because the nos is too hard an ccp nerf the nos. and what now ? eve online is a very god game, but the ccp nerf,kill the game,...is me opinion sorry. I usually don't reply to such things but... bitter much? Your carebear tears will only make us stronger. only in your dream
AFTRUNX Human Liberty Syndicate TALIONIS ALLIANCE	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:53:00 - [50] Edited by: AFTRUNX on 07/12/2007 11:55:45 Edited by: AFTRUNX on 07/12/2007 11:55:11 Originally by: Zar Dim Originally by: Photus Has anyone else seen this? I was on Angel Extraveganza (if that makes a difference). I had heard of a possible nerf to torps, but this seems excessive. Well using maxed skills and javelling torps you can get 45km IIRC. Yes that's huge nerf to torps on missions. o/ Signed.. I use my Nighthawk for any lvl4, and if i ca affort it a marauder... My Siege Raven will be used now for PVP.. i have also a Range of ~45k with javelin. Nerf isn't really a nerf for me.. it's the same situation as all other have.. Short range more damage = Siege Long range less damage = cruise Short range more damage = blaster Long range less damage = rails.. and so one.... AFT --------------------------------------------
Ancy Denaries Caldari Isseras Manufacture	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:58:00 - [51] Originally by: Photus Forgive me if I'm hijacking your thread, it's not my intent. I have a fitting very similar to yours, and it typically gets me by very well. However, last night I patched to Trinity, and watched as my damage output approached zero. Normally, I'm able to hit battleships 80KM out and do a fair amount of damage (the flight time is just huge). With the push to Trinity, I wasn't doing ANYTHING to them till I was within 18KM. I literally had to run up beside them and broadside them! Has anyone else seen this? I was on Angel Extraveganza (if that makes a difference). I had heard of a possible nerf to torps, but this seems excessive. Not reading patchnotes ftl? Rockets -> HAMs -> Torps SM -> HM -> Cruise Notice anything?
Cypress Cavalero The Steel Ravens	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:59:00 - [52] ccp: hey ie got an idea lets make torps a close range weapon Shall we give them the means to get in close to use it? NAA they should have to try to squeeze tankiing tackling cap and now speed needed to do so into the **** poor 6 midslots and oh so unhelpful 5 lows 2 of which need to be fitting modles cos we wil leave the pg/cpu at suck level yeah this is the best pvp change ever! lets face it ravens have been and always will be eves practical joke.
Ogul Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.07 13:31:00 - [53] Originally by: BABARR Quote: You may want to consider explosion velocity, explosion radius and missile velocity. If i consider that, only nanoship are a problem, and they are a probleme for a blasterboat too. Yea the base explosion velocity of 250 m/s on standard torps is nano territory alright (and completely different from turret tracking issues)... --- This is a war declaration, issued from your alt corp. It is used to gank people in high sec.
Augeas	Posted - 2007.12.07 14:00:00 - [54] Originally by: Cypress Cavalero ccp: hey ie got an idea lets make torps a close range weapon Shall we give them the means to get in close to use it? NAA they should have to try to squeeze tankiing tackling cap and now speed needed to do so into the **** poor 6 midslots and oh so unhelpful 5 lows 2 of which need to be fitting modles cos we wil leave the pg/cpu at suck level yeah this is the best pvp change ever! lets face it ravens have been and always will be eves practical joke. Your mistake here is active-tanking your Raven.

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