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parrowdox Caldari Vitai Lampada	Posted - 2007.12.07 07:44:00 - [331] i love CCP an wht they have done in creating this awesome game i am a little miffed about being unsure about the state of my computer but it was a mistake at heart, My proposition is that they make sure as compensation they release a special, rather silyl module that requires v minimal work on their part but is enjoyable by users to play with over the christmas period similar to the snowball launchers just less technical maybe you could make a container called "furnace" an all the old corpses that many have lieing around could be thrown into the "furnace" and recieve comical quotations in return :D - BoxFresh Killer - Vitai Lampada - Mercs for Hire
Nuke'em Caldari Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.12.07 07:52:00 - [332] I literally spent the last 14 hours trying to fix my PC without reinstalling. When I finally had to reinstall because all other measures were not working. I lost a ton of information on my PC. I had to pay 80$ to have my files found. I was excited, but now I'm just upset...
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2007.12.07 07:58:00 - [333] Originally by: Karlemgne None of you in the "its not CCP's fault" crowd have yet been able to respond to a simple analogy. If its my fault that my boot.ini file got deleted because I chose to play eve... Is it my fault when a drunk driver jumps a lane and smashes my car? After all, I didn't have to get in my car. If I take my car in for a tune up and they drain the oil out of my car and give it back to me, is it my fault when the engine seizes? I mean, I didn't have to take my car to the shop, hell I don't have to own a car. No, it's you who are misunderstanding the point. I for one did not say it wasn't CCP's fault. I doubt anyone thinks it wasn't CCP's fault. Obviously it was. The point most of us are trying to make is that just because someone is at fault doesn't automatically entitle you to compensation. All it entitles you to is the chance to get whatever you lost as a result of the issue. In the case of a botched vehicle service you can probably claim back repair costs or expect a free repair. Although having said that there are some circumstances where you can't. A friend of mine lost an engine after a service because the fan belt broke then went through the cam belt. He only got partial recompense because the fan belt was classed as a replaceable item and the engine damage was collateral to the service fault. In the case of a home computer being out of action for a few hours the amounts are trifling. In this case the computer was put out of action by trying to install a game which makes the time lost even lower in value. The most you might get from CCP would be a few hour's game play. The problem with that is the the game has already been down for 24 hours for maintennance. Another 6 or even 12 hours on top of that is pretty meaningless. Furthermore CCP can argue that if you had a boot disc to hand and followed their simple instructions you would be up and running in less than ten minutes. Quote: Speaking of cars, none of you computer pownzors blaming people for not being able to fix this problem themselves have answered my question. Can you change your oil? Its simple to do and takes about 10 minutes. How about change your oil filter? Actually that is a good point. Fixing a deleted boot.ini is a lot like changing engine oil. Easy if you have the tools but difficult without them. Bottom line here:It was an unfortunate incident for which CCP were responsible but which imposed no significant damage or financial loss on anyone. It'd be nice if CCP gave us a day in compensation but I don't demand it. What I'd rather have is an explanation of how it slipped through QA and what they are doing to stop it happening again. -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Mikel Crenshaw Minmatar Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.12.07 08:02:00 - [334] Quote: If its my fault that my boot.ini file got deleted because I chose to play eve... Is it my fault when a drunk driver jumps a lane and smashes my car? After all, I didn't have to get in my car. If I take my car in for a tune up and they drain the oil out of my car and give it back to me, is it my fault when the engine seizes? I mean, I didn't have to take my car to the shop, hell I don't have to own a car. I'm sure no one is saying that the player is actually at fault for deleting the boot.ini. CCP is simply not liable for it. Just as none of the manufacturers of these computers are liable for not putting a boot.ini.backup on the computer. The thing about about analogies is that while they are helpful for clarifying a situation they are often inaccurate and lead to poor comparisons. For instance the drunk driver analogy is a difference of magnitude which puts it and the boot.ini incident in completely different categories. Not only are lives at risk but there is also gross negligence on the part of the drunk driver. Whoever was coding made a simple mistake (the difference of a single character not being put in) and as most CCP computers were likely to have the boot.ini.backup the bug slipped through unnoticed. This analogy is pretty inaccurate and at best it is a pretty big hyperbole. I'd suggest revising it if you want it to be taken seriously. With your oil analogy there are also a few holes. There is first the question of intent, if a mechanic empties out your oil and gives the car back this is likely to have been done with malicious intent. Second does your car have an oil guage? Why not check that, if your oil is dangerously low then you should probably ask about that (you are responsible for making sure your vehicle is not a danger to other drivers and this oil change scenario is fairly easy to check). So it would actually be partially your fault if the engine seizes because you drove your car away with no oil. The mechanic is at fault for emptying the oil but you are still partially at fault for not looking down at your dash and making sure everything was okay before driving off. In the end analogies tend to make for poor comparisons, especially when dealing with the ethical quagmire created by computers. In the end CCP should have followed better programming practices (naming a file boot.ini is a bad idea), on the other hand most of the damage was done by users overreacting and nuking their drives before coming up with a better solution. CCP provided free advice on how to fix this (I worked at a computer repair place and my boss would be loathe to give out info like that) this was their responsibility to the community. CCP is not liable to replace damaged files, however, as the error damaged only one text file which was easily fixable. Any damage done to the rest of the files was the fault of the user or the repair place. In addition should CCP have to pay for damages from a company that charges an unfair price? Say the place you go to charges $100-$200 for the fix (if you wanted it rushed it can cost you) while some places only charge $20 for the minor fix or less (if you have family with computer knowledge they can often be bribed with beer). So how do we put a price on this failure? Should the guy who got overcharged receive more than the guy who gave his brother a case of beer to fix it in a few minutes. What about those that fixed it themselves, they shouldn't be reimbursed? The simple answer is that their were plenty of free solutions available, those that caused permanent damage to their systems did it by their own hands. CCP shouldn't be responsible for our mistakes, only their own. They have given free advice on how to fix the problem, they have apologized, at this point I would be surprised to get anything else (wouldn't mind though ;)). --------------------- "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2007.12.07 08:02:00 - [335] Originally by: Nuke'em I literally spent the last 14 hours trying to fix my PC without reinstalling. When I finally had to reinstall because all other measures were not working. I lost a ton of information on my PC. I had to pay 80$ to have my files found. I was excited, but now I'm just upset... Unfortunately there's a limit to what CCP can be held liable for. Their instructions were simple and accurate. All you needed to do was find a boot disc. Whilst that can be a pain (I didn't have one and had to create an Ubuntu CD) it isn't CCP's fault. At the end of the day all you had to do was copy or create a small file. The fact that you (and I) as computer owners didn't have the means to boot our computers is unfortunate. CCP gave us all the instruction we needed. -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Huldradans Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.12.07 08:08:00 - [336] Serenity now!! - ♮ EVESOURCE.COM: Teamspeak, forum & killboard hosting services -
Zandev	Posted - 2007.12.07 08:11:00 - [337] Originally by: Evenfall Phoenix NO, if you are stupid enough to not be able to fix this problem yourself (use your damn windows disk) you deserve to pay 100+. This is a very very simple fix, anyone with half a brain can fix this in 10 minutes or less. Not necessarily. I've got a Dell 9200 (hey, it was cheap). It won't boot, as Dell doesn't put XP on the first partitions. XP boot disks can't recover it as they crash on startup (I've tried more that one), probably due to a hardware incompatibility.
Karlemgne Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.12.07 08:11:00 - [338] Originally by: Andrue Originally by: Karlemgne None of you in the "its not CCP's fault" crowd have yet been able to respond to a simple analogy. If its my fault that my boot.ini file got deleted because I chose to play eve... Is it my fault when a drunk driver jumps a lane and smashes my car? After all, I didn't have to get in my car. If I take my car in for a tune up and they drain the oil out of my car and give it back to me, is it my fault when the engine seizes? I mean, I didn't have to take my car to the shop, hell I don't have to own a car. No, it's you who are misunderstanding the point. I for one did not say it wasn't CCP's fault. I doubt anyone thinks it wasn't CCP's fault. Obviously it was. The point most of us are trying to make is that just because someone is at fault doesn't automatically entitle you to compensation. All it entitles you to is the chance to get whatever you lost as a result of the issue. In the case of a botched vehicle service you can probably claim back repair costs or expect a free repair. Although having said that there are some circumstances where you can't. A friend of mine lost an engine after a service because the fan belt broke then went through the cam belt. He only got partial recompense because the fan belt was classed as a replaceable item and the engine damage was collateral to the service fault. In the case of a home computer being out of action for a few hours the amounts are trifling. In this case the computer was put out of action by trying to install a game which makes the time lost even lower in value. The most you might get from CCP would be a few hour's game play. The problem with that is the the game has already been down for 24 hours for maintennance. Another 6 or even 12 hours on top of that is pretty meaningless. Furthermore CCP can argue that if you had a boot disc to hand and followed their simple instructions you would be up and running in less than ten minutes. Quote: Speaking of cars, none of you computer pownzors blaming people for not being able to fix this problem themselves have answered my question. Can you change your oil? Its simple to do and takes about 10 minutes. How about change your oil filter? Actually that is a good point. Fixing a deleted boot.ini is a lot like changing engine oil. Easy if you have the tools but difficult without them. Bottom line here:It was an unfortunate incident for which CCP were responsible but which imposed no significant damage or financial loss on anyone. It'd be nice if CCP gave us a day in compensation but I don't demand it. What I'd rather have is an explanation of how it slipped through QA and what they are doing to stop it happening again. We are actually talking around each other I think, because I actually agree with you. My issue was mostly with the peopl who: 1. Claim that this isn't a big deal, and that CCP is in no way responsible for this, because we chose to download and play eve. Again, this is ridiculous. Clearly, the whole fiasco is CCPs fault. Whether that means compensation and what kind is a different thing. 2. Those who claim that people who have had to go to third parties to fix the problem are idiots, and thus don't deserve any special consideration. Thus the oil analogy... and being someone who can change my oil and work on my computer, I know that most of these kids can't actually change their oil (or work on something like a car.) 3. People who are internet lawyers who claim the EULA protects CCP from everything. I'm not ever sure that this pertinent to the conversation, but being someone who works/has worked in video game industry for awhile, I just find these people grating. 4. The guy who said video game companies never hand out free game time. He's just 100% deluded. -Karl
Bedrock Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.12.07 08:13:00 - [339] Originally by: Huldradans Serenity now!! Win
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2007.12.07 08:15:00 - [340] Quote: 1. Claim that this isn't a big deal, and that CCP is in no way responsible for this, because we chose to download and play eve. Again, this is ridiculous. Clearly, the whole fiasco is CCPs fault. Whether that means compensation and what kind is a different thing. Agreed. Quote: 2. Those who claim that people who have had to go to third parties to fix the problem are idiots, and thus don't deserve any special consideration. Thus the oil analogy... and being someone who can change my oil and work on my computer, I know that most of these kids can't actually change their oil (or work on something like a car.) Partially agreed. It's unfair to call them names and imply they are defective but at the same time computers are not simple toys. If you choose to own and operate something that you don't fully understand then you ought (in my opinion) accept the consequences and costs of paying someone who does when it goes wrong. Quote: 3. People who are internet lawyers who claim the EULA protects CCP from everything. I'm not ever sure that this pertinent to the conversation, but being someone who works/has worked in video game industry for awhile, I just find these people grating. Ah well that's purely subject. It doesn't bother me and in fact I've done it several times. It's a nice counterpoint to other people's tendency to claim entitlements that they aren't due. Quote: 4. The guy who said video game companies never hand out free game time. He's just 100% deluded. He is certainly wrong. CCP have done it three or four times to my knowledge. Originally by: Karlemgne We are actually talking around each other I think, because I actually agree with you. My issue was mostly with the peopl who: Okay - we're pretty close to agreement. -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Xendie Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.12.07 08:16:00 - [341] I have Vista and was not effected! However... I demand 20isk so I don't feel left out.
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2007.12.07 08:17:00 - [342] Quote: 1. Claim that this isn't a big deal, and that CCP is in no way responsible for this, because we chose to download and play eve. Again, this is ridiculous. Clearly, the whole fiasco is CCPs fault. Whether that means compensation and what kind is a different thing. Agreed. Quote: 2. Those who claim that people who have had to go to third parties to fix the problem are idiots, and thus don't deserve any special consideration. Thus the oil analogy... and being someone who can change my oil and work on my computer, I know that most of these kids can't actually change their oil (or work on something like a car.) Partially agreed. It's unfair to call them names and imply they are defective but at the same time computers are not simple toys. If you choose to own and operate something that you don't fully understand then you ought (in my opinion) accept the consequences and costs of paying someone who does when it goes wrong. Quote: 3. People who are internet lawyers who claim the EULA protects CCP from everything. I'm not ever sure that this pertinent to the conversation, but being someone who works/has worked in video game industry for awhile, I just find these people grating. Ah well that's purely subject. It doesn't bother me and in fact I've done it several times. It's a nice counterpoint to other people's tendency to claim entitlements that they aren't due. Quote: 4. The guy who said video game companies never hand out free game time. He's just 100% deluded. He is certainly wrong. CCP have done it three or four times to my knowledge. Originally by: Karlemgne We are actually talking around each other I think, because I actually agree with you. My issue was mostly with the peopl who: Okay - we're pretty close to agreement - but I'm not going to hug you -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Moghydin Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.12.07 08:20:00 - [343] Wow, so many ppl want easy bucks American style Like: "The bank clerk didn't give me the same broad smile he gave that young lady in the queue before me! I feel insulted, give me 50 mill dollars NOW!!" Ppl should get a clue. No software company is responsible for a potential damage or loss of your data which was caused by using their software. Just read the EULA of absolutely ANY software product. Installing games on computers that you use for work is not a good practice. Not keeping backups on those computers is even worse. Press alt+F4 to reduce lag
Sylfamas Caldari Making Our Way to Stars Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.07 08:22:00 - [344] Compensation is what every big company does when it screws it up. I was affected too. I haven't lost any work but i had to reinstall my windows and it costed me 150 dollars as it states in my company contract that for every new installation i have to pay (it's not my business computer but i have my own company so i have access to the company's licensed windows cd's). I won't ask for compensations, but it would be really nice if CCP would give something for this unfortunate event. It doesn't have to be money. Something creative :) Like a letter signed by CCP CEO (attention, not that signature that comes out of your printer) saying sorry for the inconvenience. -----------------Signature------------------------- I only have one rule: Everyone fights, no one quits.
Cipher7 VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.07 08:23:00 - [345] If you feel you are owed compensation for calling Geek Squad or whoever, then contact CCP and ask for said compensation. If they refuse, sue them.
Karlemgne Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.12.07 08:24:00 - [346] Originally by: Mikel Crenshaw Yes, I agree analogies can be misleading. However, I don't think I'm too far off. I am certainly not trying to create a straw man here. A drunk driving accident need not result in fatalities, injuries, or serious damage. A drunk driver could smack my bumper. This is a $500 fix most likely. The logic some here have been using would suggest that, because we play eve, we are responsible for any eventuality resulting from a the download of game content. To me, it is very much like saying, "well your bumper got broken but its your fault because you own a car." But perhaps you're right, a better analogy would be me taking my car into the dealership, and them updating the chip in my car. If new program ***s up my emissions it isn't my fault because I own a car* nor is it my fault because I updated the software. The responsibility lies squarely on the manufacturer. The same is true of CCP here. They did not make my computer, nor did they manufacture the parts, nor program the OS. What they did do is give me a content patch that deleted important system files. THEY are responsible for that code, they are responsible for promoting it to a live server, and they are responsible for the results. That some of the people affected lost data, their jobs, and productivity (again not everyone has more than one computer or the knowhow to fix errors like this) could possibly be blamed on CCP. Whether that's the case isn't really for me to decide... but people telling those that it this directly affected that it is THEIR FAULT is asinine. -Karl
Riho Northen Breeze	Posted - 2007.12.07 08:26:00 - [347] im laughing at ppl who installed eve on theyr WORK PCs and got killed by boot.ini bug. 1st. your nubs for doing this. usually its against the rules to install anything that isn't work related on that PC (well at least where i work i enforce this rule) 2nd. 100+ dollars to repair the thing for the OP.... HAHAHAAHHAHAAHHAAHAH ... ok ok.. seriously go find better place to get it fixed. you are beeing ripped off big time. 3rd. DON'T INSTALL GAMES OR ANY OTHER SOFTWARE ON YOUR WORK PC THAT ISN'T NEEDED FOR YOUR WORK. problems solved now for the other stuff that is not direct flaming :P i myself got hit whit the bug but i didn't restart my pc (as i hardly ever shut down or restart it anyways) took me 5 sec to copy the backup and done. i don't really care for the compensation as its just a game and **** happens. thats my personal opinion
Karlemgne Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.12.07 08:37:00 - [348] Originally by: Andrue Partially agreed. It's unfair to call them names and imply they are defective but at the same time computers are not simple toys. If you choose to own and operate something that you don't fully understand then you ought (in my opinion) accept the consequences and costs of paying someone who does when it goes wrong. Agreed to be partially agreed. Here I think it is important to say that you need not always accept the consequences. If someone damages your computer, car, etc they are responsible for fixing it, by either doing it themselves or paying someone else to do it. Again, my car is complicated, and I can even work on it. But if someone smashes my front end, its their responsibility to fix it/have it fixed. They can't simply hand me new parts and give me an instruction manual. If someone else is a fault and it causes something to break, be it a car, computer, house, whatever... they are responsible to make repairs in a timely fashion, or give me the money to pay someone to do so. How this plays out in this real life case, I'm not sure, I'm just saying its not as simple as "your computer is complicated and if you can't repair it you should always accept liability for the things that can happen to it." Quote: Ah well that's purely subject. It doesn't bother me and in fact I've done it several times. It's a nice counterpoint to other people's tendency to claim entitlements that they aren't due. Again, the EULA thing. Read my post about it further up. Companies know its over broad and know that it much of the EULA wouldn't stand up to a serious challenge. Quote: He is certainly wrong. CCP have done it three or four times to my knowledge. As have a dozen other companies. Quote: Okay - we're pretty close to agreement - but I'm not going to hug you Hey, take it easy big boy, I didn't say we were that close. -Karl
Mrs Malty	Posted - 2007.12.07 08:40:00 - [349] Originally by: Riho i don't really care for the compensation as its just a game and **** happens. thats my personal opinion Seconded I had a version of Ultima IX that did exactly the same thing on XP. I suppose I just take it as part and parcel of computer gaming, I mean growing up with Win95 makes you used to things falling over at the slightest breath of a fault. Not every piece of software will work perfectly and indeed, occasionally, some will downright screw up. Maybe I'm being naive but I guess I think CCP probably took reasonable care and it's just one of those things.
Nina P	Posted - 2007.12.07 09:18:00 - [350] Originally by: Karlemgne Speaking of cars, none of you computer pownzors blaming people for not being able to fix this problem themselves have answered my question. Can you change your oil? Its simple to do and takes about 10 minutes. How about change your oil filter? I bet when you take your cars to the shop, and you look at that $1700 bill and feel helpless because you don't know how to fix the thing yourself, but think you might be getting ripped off, you accept it with no ill feelings. After all a car is very important, we use it every day to get stuff, go to work, etc... you should know how to work on it properly. -Karl I repair my own car (atleast those things that are as easy as inserting a file under c:, like changing a tyre, change to new brakes, filling it up with oil and servo fluids and likewise). If you don't know these basics things you shouldnt be behind the wheel, hell in some scandinavian countries it's a req before you get your license (used to be back in the days anyway). I don't see what point you'r trying to make. Completely different issues. I don't cast the blame on those who doesn't have windows CDs or don't know how to fix computers nor do I joke about them. I've actually helped the few alliance mates that have had this problem (less than 3 to my knowledge) But hopefully some of them have atleast learned something new. Tho by some of the ****ty sue/whine/wahwah posts on these forums I've seen plenty of people who DESERVEs anything that might have happened to their computers. I hope they went all mad and re-installed and re-formatted their drives and lost all their precious data and family photo albums.....forever.
Hooch Flux Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:14:00 - [351] Edited by: Hooch Flux on 07/12/2007 11:16:16 Originally by: Karlemgne Originally by: Hooch Flux Originally by: vextorious Edited by: vextorious on 06/12/2007 20:22:04 Compensation for damages is a fact of life. So is accepting the fact that no one made you install the patch, you are not required to play Eve, you do it by choice. Anytime you install any software there is a danger of something like this. So be a big boy and suck it up! So, okay, I didn't have to get in my car to drive to work today, so if some drunk dude driving the wrong way down a one way street hits me, its my fault? Or maybe, if I take my car in to the shop, which I don't have to do, for a tune up, and some jack-ass at the shop drains my oil and gives the car back to me, when my engine seizes, its my fault? Please. Your logic is awful here. We are dealing with real life now, not EVE. If I download a patch for a game, I should EXPECT that my system files aren't going to be deleted. And if my system files are deleted I deserve some sort of compensation. -Karl I didn't say it was his fault Karl, what that means is we all make a consious choice to play Eve, it is a game. No software comes without risk! As I stated in another post in this thread, I usually wait about 24-48 hours to implement something like this to see how others handle it and prepare myself for potential problems. Maybe your issue should be with Microsoft, allowing a third party program to delete a neccessary system file! I am not saying CCP didn't screw up here but their is also personal responsibility for your equipment! As for expecting anything, I don't because that is an assumption and everybody know what assumptions are.... I say prep for dustoff, nuke the site from orbit... Only way to be sure!
Mecinia Lua Galactic Express Frontier Trade League	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:17:00 - [352] I think it would be in their best interest to slap on a free month to all current subscriptions. (Maybe just a week). Still overall it would build good will and help to overcome the bad will...(which is strong in some quarters now...) Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts.
Hooch Flux Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:19:00 - [353] Edited by: Hooch Flux on 07/12/2007 11:25:41 Originally by: Karlemgne Originally by: Hooch Flux Originally by: Dr Paithos Originally by: Hooch Flux Originally by: Dr Paithos Originally by: Hooch Flux Still understood my meaning though, yes? Not really. Is it that it's their fault for doing any work whatsoever on a computer that has any games whatsoever on it? That doesn't fit with what 99% of people do at home, and it wouldn't stand up in court. Frankly, yes it is, they do not have to have games on the same PC! Games are not required, work on the other hand is! So do you have any work, or any personal business documents on your home PC? You don't use it for even internet banking, writing letters to companies, and so on? And you are an adult, right? Yes, and I back everything up, I also wait at least 24-48 hours after a patch comes out to see if there are any errors reported so I know what to expect. Bull****. You regularly go 24 to 48 hours after every patch without playing eve? -Karl Yes I do mate, for exactly the reasons we are having this conversation, and it pays off. I installed the full client this morning, don't trust incrementals and it work beautifully. (Edit: My spelling has been suck) I say prep for dustoff, nuke the site from orbit... Only way to be sure!
Gorefacer Caldari Resurrection	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:48:00 - [354] Originally by: Mourn Navarre Originally by: zattariss I don't have my install disks anymore. I've already lost everything on the pc and I now need to re-buy Windows XP. $90 down the drain. Wow. Which you would have had to done if your hard drive ever crashed. Maybe we should allow murderers to go free. After all those people were going to die on their own at some point anyway. Nice logic. "You can't reason someone out of a belief they haven't reasoned themselves into" - Prometheus
Samurai XII	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:54:00 - [355] Originally by: Xaroth Brook Originally by: Elenath Originally by: Xaroth Brook garbage Perhaps you should read the entire thread before making a fool of yourself? Just an idea. I have, and I've even asked our company's legal advisor.. now the question.. have you? Then his just as much as an idiot as you are. You are 100% allowed to take legal actions. Their EULA will NOT help them in a court of law. ______________________ Just another cool alt.
Neena Ailichi	Posted - 2007.12.07 12:03:00 - [356] My god I can't believe you people... You're all either 14 yeald old brats or exrteme ***** adults. "BAWW BAWW CCP MESSED UP MY COMPUTER BECAUSE OF TYPE BAWW I'M GOING TO SUE THEM FOR MILLION OF DOLLAR". To quote Doctor Cox: Here's a prescription for pair of *****. You're all goddamn butthurt idiots who only think about themselvels and their poor little computer. I guess you don't give a if CCP is shutdown because they go bankrupt because of the lawsuit? I've got my comp messed up more times than I can remember, sometimes because of my own stupidity, sometimes because of friend who did something, sometis beacuse of a program or game. It ed me off, it made me scream and kick my door off because I was so **ed but NEVER did I blame the company / friend for a human error because I know I make erros too. Grow up people.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.12.07 12:06:00 - [357] and like a buddy of mine in game said.... "IT asked me if I really wanted to replace this file, I clicked NO" Brain: It's a good thing Originally by: ISD Valorem The Devs have stated multiple times that they are looking at the Amarr issues.
antientity	Posted - 2007.12.07 12:21:00 - [358] Since i haven't seen anyone blame Microsoft yet, i will do my civil duty. 1. What kind of operating system allows such critical files to be easily deleted or tampered with? 2. What kind of operating system puts critical files in the root folder? 3. There should at least be something to apply the settings in boot.ini before windows attempts it? This should remind everyone to not associate any software you write to windows. 1. Don't use Microsoft development software or BITS. 2. Don't look at environment variables windows supplies ;p 3. MSSQL really isn't that good. 4. Don't use reserved file names that aren't really reserved cause microsoft doesn't make databases. 5. Change your exefile.exe to something other then exefile.exe however funny it may be to keep it that way.
alucardbsd	Posted - 2007.12.07 18:45:00 - [359] CCP will not compensate us, they dont have too either way i bet. Here is my colution after loosin my pc and harddrives a few hours before my finals. DONT INSTALL EVE EVER AGAIN, ccp dropped the ball and i could care less what other think crashing everyone operating system is NOT COOL, so flame away at this post then go suck an egg aye. CCP i know u could care less cause you got my money for the past 2 years already, but dont expect any more log ints for my accts this is totaly bs.
Joensen	Posted - 2007.12.07 18:53:00 - [360] Originally by: alucardbsd CCP will not compensate us, they dont have too either way i bet. Here is my colution after loosin my pc and harddrives a few hours before my finals. DONT INSTALL EVE EVER AGAIN, ccp dropped the ball and i could care less what other think crashing everyone operating system is NOT COOL, so flame away at this post then go suck an egg aye. CCP i know u could care less cause you got my money for the past 2 years already, but dont expect any more log ints for my accts this is totaly bs. How did you manage to loose your PC and 'HARDDRIVES(plural)', have you checked behind the sofa? It only affects the one with the OS on it, it is perfectly simple to reformat one drive. Oh and they didn't crash everyones operating system, just some. I updated at about 1am that morning and I'm still fine, hopefully if you reformatted you made different partitions and now realise that you should never mix your work files, games and your OS. Why must people always learn the hard way? At least now I know what that error was the screwed up my hard drive about 5 years ago, I always wondered what hall.dll was. I'm happily sucking my egg

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