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Elesaar Caldari Dark Nexxus VENOM Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.09 05:30:00 - [1] Well... I've never posted on this forum before, since i generally don't have problems with missions.. Been doing missions for RSS today and ended up with Pot and Kettle,, did 1-3 no problem but when i got to 4 the Outpost defenders just Rip me apart! I switched from my active tank Nighthawk to passive tank Vulture which 2 Chimera's couldn't kill, and the 13 NPC Fighters took me to 25% shield in less than 60 seconds... 05:13:27 Combat Outpost Defender barely scratches you, causing 87.4 damage. 05:13:45 Combat Outpost Defender strikes you perfectly, wrecking for 456.8 damage. thats with 70% lowest resist... Has anyone figured out how to do this mission? the fighters move at 2500ish m/s so I cant outrun them in anything that can take a single hit, personally..
Elesaar Caldari Dark Nexxus VENOM Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.09 05:44:00 - [2] and I forgot to mention,, the fighters dont show as "WANTED" so when you try to attack them you get a warning about criminal actions or something similar,, i didnt read the message clearly as I was getting spanked:)
Percible	Posted - 2007.12.09 06:28:00 - [3] I lost an Eos to this mission tonight because I was warned to not attack the Outpost Defenders, and then one of the NPC's warp scrammed me. I couldn't sustain the 450+ dps hits to my tank. Something is bugged with the mission and even if you create a bookmark and try to warp to 100km's to it, you ended up right in the middle of the pack. I petitioned it, so hopefully they will resolve it. It looked like an interesting set of 5 missions, but this one totally ruined my night as my mission Eos was faction pimped.
Kamus Gallente Aztlan Labs	Posted - 2007.12.09 06:33:00 - [4] I had the same problem, I was in a Hyperion, tank: 82% EM and 75 % Thermic, plus LAR II, my shield and armor went out in just 30 seconds. I ran away with just 20% in Structure.
Elesaar Caldari Dark Nexxus VENOM Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.09 06:40:00 - [5] Edited by: Elesaar on 09/12/2007 06:40:58 the vulture was loaded with defenders and had 26k shield and 70 lowest resist, it wasnt destroyed as I was aligned rite away and warped as soon as I got to 25% shield.. Ive petitioned it to see if its a known issue or if its actually do-able. while searching around on google I saw a thread about something else and someone mentioned they finished all 5 parts, so its at least possible to do, but no mention as to how or if it took them 5 ships to do it :P and the bookmark didnt work because its a deadspace encounter... I tried that also :(
Elesaar Caldari Dark Nexxus VENOM Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.09 06:49:00 - [6] Hi, I have marked the mission as completed for you, you should just need to go talk to your agent to complete the mission. Best Regards, GM Faolchu EVE Online Customer Support ive replied asking if its a known bug,, ill post again in the morning when they reply
Elesaar Caldari Dark Nexxus VENOM Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.09 07:00:00 - [7] Hi, I have already reported that this is happening in this level of the mission and it should be fixed soon. Best Regards, GM Faolchu EVE Online Customer Support not sure about replacing lost ships and items, but your best bet would be to petition and ask
Iracham Gallente	Posted - 2007.12.09 07:05:00 - [8] Use smartbombs to kill the defenders, even though they give you the warning, concord doesn't come.
GhostST	Posted - 2007.12.09 11:54:00 - [9] I lots my Dominix in this mission :(, 2 EM hardeners 2 Thermic, 2 Larger repair, and loot that: [ 2007.12.09 01:17:52 ] Outpost Defender strikes you perfectly, wrecking for 1608.2 damage I want my Dominix back :)
Iracham Gallente	Posted - 2007.12.09 13:40:00 - [10] My domi with 2 LAR 2 therm 1 em 1 eanm tanked them long enough for 2 T1 large EMP smartbombs to kill all the defenders. Dropped to half armor or so though before the swarm started dying off. I guess I was a bit lucky because I warped out about halfway through the defenders spawning to fit the smartbombs because my drones weren't killing them fast enough, and kept getting shot up by the regular ships by the outpost.
FT Diomedes Gallente Ductus Exemplo	Posted - 2007.12.09 16:36:00 - [11] I just got this mission and I'd like to get some info on it before proceeding. So you can kill these Outpost Defenders? Even though it says you cannot? I don't mind a tough mission, but I would hate to lose a ship to Concord. I just want to confirm before proceeding. Thank you in advance. ------------ Improvize. Adapt. Overcome.
Volvoic	Posted - 2007.12.09 16:45:00 - [12] you can kill the defender, but not fast enough. i lost a raven and a isthar to find that out.
Bf109k	Posted - 2007.12.09 17:35:00 - [13] same problem. Here is my "kill mail" 2007.12.09 16:22:00 Victim: Bf109k Alliance: Crescent and Hammer Corp: 8th level Banzee Destroyed: Dominix System: Dodixie Security: 0.9 Damage Taken: 45154 Involved parties: Name: Outpost Defender / Amarr Empire (laid the final blow) Damage Done: 45154 Destroyed items: Medium Inefficient Armor Repair Unit, Qty: 2 250mm 'Scout' I Accelerator Cannon N-Type EM Hardener I Lead Charge M, Qty: 40 Hammerhead I, Qty: 3 (Drone Bay) Cap Recharger II 'Refuge' Adaptive Nano Plating I Salvager I Valkyrie I (Drone Bay) Ogre I (Drone Bay) Lead Charge M, Qty: 1043 (Cargo) Armor Thermic Hardener I Dropped items: 250mm 'Scout' I Accelerator Cannon, Qty: 2 Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Lead Charge M, Qty: 80 Alumel-Wired I Sensor Augmentation Hammerhead I, Qty: 5 (Drone Bay) 100MN Afterburner I Cap Recharger II, Qty: 2 Salvager I Small Tractor Beam I Scan Resolution Ogre I, Qty: 4 (Drone Bay)
GunnerC Bessemer Inc Lost Children of Eve	Posted - 2007.12.09 19:49:00 - [14] Edited by: GunnerC on 09/12/2007 19:51:55 Yep, can't believe this is soloable at the moment (Edit - congrats on the earlier post about use of smartbombs to kill the defenders - perhaps it's not 'sensibly' soloable). I lost a Maelstrom - experimental setup, artillery for long range drones for short. The drones chewed through some of the frigates, but there were dozens (it seemed like). I killed off the repair structure and the recon outpost building just in case but it didn't seem to help. My tank was ok - I took over 130,000 damage before I died - but it still didn't take long ! Petitioned to see what happens.
Percible	Posted - 2007.12.09 20:18:00 - [15] This mission is bugged and I would advise to not try it until its been sorted. Congrats to the guy that smart-bombed, unfortunately I took the pop-up's message to not shoot the outpost defenders serious and literal. If you lost a ship - petition it. I lost a lot of wealth, which i don't mind risking on "working" missions, but this is clearly buggered.
Iracham Gallente	Posted - 2007.12.09 20:50:00 - [16] The only bug is the concord warning on the defenders, although imo the defenders shouldn't scramble you (and I guess I got lucky that they didn't scram me or I'd have a new domi too), I like the smartbomb bit, it encourages a bit of outside-the-box thinking rather than the same old warp in, activate tank, set drones to work, and leave.
GunnerC Bessemer Inc Lost Children of Eve	Posted - 2007.12.09 20:54:00 - [17] Edited by: GunnerC on 09/12/2007 20:54:47 Hi, I agree the bug primarily relates to the warning on the defenders, if that is fixed this just becomes a damn tough lvl4 - though if it relies on a specific weapon type to do I could argue it discriminates against those that do not have that skill (weak argument though). Is there any other lvl4 that requires one specific weapon type to make it possible solo ? My petition response came through very fast - and the mission was cleared. As advised have petitioned separately for reimbursement. ******************************** Sadly we are unable to handle reimbursement cases in this category. Please file a new petitio under reimbursement category. My apologies for any additional delay this may cause. I've cleared the mission for you. You need to talk to your agent to get a new mission. Thank you for your patience in this matter and please accept our apologies for the inconvenience. I'm closing this petition. If you have any further questions, don't hesitate to contact us again. Best regards, Senior GM Xamother EVE Online Customer Support
Imaos	Posted - 2007.12.09 22:00:00 - [18] I just flew this mission and the fighters were annoying as hell. 1. I had to add them to overview. 2. The annoying message about the innocence of the fighters which I didnt want to turn off as I was remote repairing my drones. 3. Electronic attack frigs warp scrambling. Completed the mission in my standard amarr fit domi. 2LAR2, 2n-type heat, 2n-type em, dc2. Despite the annoying warnings and the first shock the fighters went down fast under Praetor fire (2 omnies). The fighters seemed to be a good source of cap, too. Imaos ------------------------------------------ Originally by: NoNah My friend, this is EVE, as it's a space oriented game, they couldn't have trolls. We have Caldari.
Planktal Kenshao Industries	Posted - 2007.12.09 22:11:00 - [19] Edited by: Planktal on 09/12/2007 22:12:03 I dont know what you guys were doing wrong. I did this mission on patch day when the server came back and yes, I had to warp out once but otherwise I found it not much harder than any other lvl4 missions. I was tanking 94% EM and 89% Thermal and yes they were bitting into my armor but my drones cleared them fine. Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... THWONK! GOT the bastard.
Imaos	Posted - 2007.12.09 22:20:00 - [20] Originally by: Planktal Edited by: Planktal on 09/12/2007 22:12:03 I dont know what you guys were doing wrong. I did this mission on patch day when the server came back and yes, I had to warp out once but otherwise I found it not much harder than any other lvl4 missions. I was tanking 94% EM and 89% Thermal and yes they were bitting into my armor but my drones cleared them fine. Not seeing them on overview, but seeing little crosses orbit you is annyoing as is the concord warning we got when we ordered the drones to attack. You might say: Turn off the warning; but if you do that and you accidentally remote repair an enemy and not a drone it can be fatal. At least the concord warning has to go. Imaos ------------------------------------------ Originally by: NoNah My friend, this is EVE, as it's a space oriented game, they couldn't have trolls. We have Caldari.
CaeserTheGreat	Posted - 2007.12.09 23:16:00 - [21] Unable to do the mission period as my screen gets filled with system error pop ups as soon as they start firing at me. Yup a error on each fired shot.. try warping out while closing multiple error pop ups. It just keeps getting better for me.... :(
Kronos	Posted - 2007.12.10 02:25:00 - [22] I attempted the mission about 5-6 times no luck then I had another Raven join me with no luck. Im glad others had the trouble as its the only mission I asked the GM's to skip for me. This they done with no questions asked and I even got the mission reward and bouns thanks to the quick response. Hope it is fixed soon, the mission about the mines was a nice change. Keep up the good work CCP you will get there in the end.
Hectaire Glade Forum Jockey	Posted - 2007.12.10 08:13:00 - [23] I did this in a passive tanked rattlesnake on friday last week and had absolutely no issues with it, didnt use drones and just munched the rats as they came close, never got below 85% on the shield. Couldn't differentiate whether EM or Thermal was better cruise damage type though, seemed impartial. The only tactic i used was orbiting the beacon at 2.5K and only attacking things which agressed me when i warped in, was simple enough to clear out, if not a bit boring during to the overall volume of stuff to kill. Looks like some of the damage posted in this thread is a bit buggy, i completed it sucessfully though.
Siobhan Ni Gallente Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.12.10 08:14:00 - [24] I done this one using a logistic ship to boost my main. 2 x smart bombs on my raven wasted the defender drones and the rest was easy. Smart bombs can also take out the EW frigs too when they get in close. It isn't that hard once you figure out a strategy. Reward was a 1 run T2 smart bomb bpc. Wonder if this will set a trend for new missions?. Has any one tried part 5? I haven't got round to doing that part yet.
Elbar Thera Minmatar	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:07:00 - [25] Hi, i have done that mission, and the rest too, without any problem (guess i was lucky). The warning message popped up too and so i decided to not engange them at all, because i lost a nice nighthawk to concord lately (no reimbursment because i'm in a npc corp aka 2nd class citizen). Was using my standard cnr (or rni ) with cruise missles (thanks to ccp for ******* up torp usage in missions ) I've got that mission again right after the first one, though i have dropped it for getting no bounty at all beside that large emp smarty t2 bpc (1 run) there was nothing worth in it. Elbar
Vasq Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2007.12.10 12:10:00 - [26] jeez, glad i read this, i did part 1-3 last night, but it was gettin l8 so i turned in b4 i accepted part 4. i fly an ishtar so dmg spikes can really hurt me. is there a way of avoiding this mission or do i just take the loyalty point hit by refusing it? Smoke me a kipper, i'll be back for breakfast!
Iracham Gallente	Posted - 2007.12.10 12:32:00 - [27] Edited by: Iracham on 10/12/2007 12:33:41 Part 5 is pretty easy and straightforward, 3 groups of ships in the 1st room, 2 groups in the second, take the groups 1 at a time, no drone agro, just takes a while (4 or 5 BS per group, a couple cruisers and a few frigs) Several structures, none of which dropped anything. BTW I honestly doubt the ability of the ishtar to do 4/5 due to the damage the defenders put out, and the lesser damage of medium smartbombs.
Riggwelter Caldari Drinkers Appreciation Soiciety	Posted - 2007.12.10 12:40:00 - [28] My usual Raven with Shield transfer and drake with tank had no troubles with this mission. Didnt even have to turn on the second transfer.
Kristos Jahlon Gallente	Posted - 2007.12.10 12:53:00 - [29] I'm in the same boat as everyone else. Tanked 67,000+ damage from the outpost defenders, with 13+ hitting for 150+ DPS. That's a lot of DPS Petition in, waiting for my response.
Imaos	Posted - 2007.12.10 23:19:00 - [30] Originally by: Iracham Edited by: Iracham on 10/12/2007 12:33:41 Part 5 is pretty easy and straightforward, 3 groups of ships in the 1st room, 2 groups in the second, take the groups 1 at a time, no drone agro, just takes a while (4 or 5 BS per group, a couple cruisers and a few frigs) Several structures, none of which dropped anything. You can get early aggro by moving towards the gate. Second group engages at about 15km towards gate third group if you reach the gate. Imaos ------------------------------------------ Originally by: NoNah My friend, this is EVE, as it's a space oriented game, they couldn't have trolls. We have Caldari.

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