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Elesaar Caldari Dark Nexxus VENOM Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.09 05:30:00 - [1] Well... I've never posted on this forum before, since i generally don't have problems with missions.. Been doing missions for RSS today and ended up with Pot and Kettle,, did 1-3 no problem but when i got to 4 the Outpost defenders just Rip me apart! I switched from my active tank Nighthawk to passive tank Vulture which 2 Chimera's couldn't kill, and the 13 NPC Fighters took me to 25% shield in less than 60 seconds... 05:13:27 Combat Outpost Defender barely scratches you, causing 87.4 damage. 05:13:45 Combat Outpost Defender strikes you perfectly, wrecking for 456.8 damage. thats with 70% lowest resist... Has anyone figured out how to do this mission? the fighters move at 2500ish m/s so I cant outrun them in anything that can take a single hit, personally..
Elesaar Caldari Dark Nexxus VENOM Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.09 05:44:00 - [2] and I forgot to mention,, the fighters dont show as "WANTED" so when you try to attack them you get a warning about criminal actions or something similar,, i didnt read the message clearly as I was getting spanked:)
Percible	Posted - 2007.12.09 06:28:00 - [3] I lost an Eos to this mission tonight because I was warned to not attack the Outpost Defenders, and then one of the NPC's warp scrammed me. I couldn't sustain the 450+ dps hits to my tank. Something is bugged with the mission and even if you create a bookmark and try to warp to 100km's to it, you ended up right in the middle of the pack. I petitioned it, so hopefully they will resolve it. It looked like an interesting set of 5 missions, but this one totally ruined my night as my mission Eos was faction pimped.
Kamus Gallente Aztlan Labs	Posted - 2007.12.09 06:33:00 - [4] I had the same problem, I was in a Hyperion, tank: 82% EM and 75 % Thermic, plus LAR II, my shield and armor went out in just 30 seconds. I ran away with just 20% in Structure.
Elesaar Caldari Dark Nexxus VENOM Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.09 06:40:00 - [5] Edited by: Elesaar on 09/12/2007 06:40:58 the vulture was loaded with defenders and had 26k shield and 70 lowest resist, it wasnt destroyed as I was aligned rite away and warped as soon as I got to 25% shield.. Ive petitioned it to see if its a known issue or if its actually do-able. while searching around on google I saw a thread about something else and someone mentioned they finished all 5 parts, so its at least possible to do, but no mention as to how or if it took them 5 ships to do it :P and the bookmark didnt work because its a deadspace encounter... I tried that also :(
Elesaar Caldari Dark Nexxus VENOM Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.09 06:49:00 - [6] Hi, I have marked the mission as completed for you, you should just need to go talk to your agent to complete the mission. Best Regards, GM Faolchu EVE Online Customer Support ive replied asking if its a known bug,, ill post again in the morning when they reply
Elesaar Caldari Dark Nexxus VENOM Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.09 07:00:00 - [7] Hi, I have already reported that this is happening in this level of the mission and it should be fixed soon. Best Regards, GM Faolchu EVE Online Customer Support not sure about replacing lost ships and items, but your best bet would be to petition and ask
Iracham Gallente	Posted - 2007.12.09 07:05:00 - [8] Use smartbombs to kill the defenders, even though they give you the warning, concord doesn't come.
GhostST	Posted - 2007.12.09 11:54:00 - [9] I lots my Dominix in this mission :(, 2 EM hardeners 2 Thermic, 2 Larger repair, and loot that: [ 2007.12.09 01:17:52 ] Outpost Defender strikes you perfectly, wrecking for 1608.2 damage I want my Dominix back :)
Iracham Gallente	Posted - 2007.12.09 13:40:00 - [10] My domi with 2 LAR 2 therm 1 em 1 eanm tanked them long enough for 2 T1 large EMP smartbombs to kill all the defenders. Dropped to half armor or so though before the swarm started dying off. I guess I was a bit lucky because I warped out about halfway through the defenders spawning to fit the smartbombs because my drones weren't killing them fast enough, and kept getting shot up by the regular ships by the outpost.
FT Diomedes Gallente Ductus Exemplo	Posted - 2007.12.09 16:36:00 - [11] I just got this mission and I'd like to get some info on it before proceeding. So you can kill these Outpost Defenders? Even though it says you cannot? I don't mind a tough mission, but I would hate to lose a ship to Concord. I just want to confirm before proceeding. Thank you in advance. ------------ Improvize. Adapt. Overcome.
Volvoic	Posted - 2007.12.09 16:45:00 - [12] you can kill the defender, but not fast enough. i lost a raven and a isthar to find that out.
Bf109k	Posted - 2007.12.09 17:35:00 - [13] same problem. Here is my "kill mail" 2007.12.09 16:22:00 Victim: Bf109k Alliance: Crescent and Hammer Corp: 8th level Banzee Destroyed: Dominix System: Dodixie Security: 0.9 Damage Taken: 45154 Involved parties: Name: Outpost Defender / Amarr Empire (laid the final blow) Damage Done: 45154 Destroyed items: Medium Inefficient Armor Repair Unit, Qty: 2 250mm 'Scout' I Accelerator Cannon N-Type EM Hardener I Lead Charge M, Qty: 40 Hammerhead I, Qty: 3 (Drone Bay) Cap Recharger II 'Refuge' Adaptive Nano Plating I Salvager I Valkyrie I (Drone Bay) Ogre I (Drone Bay) Lead Charge M, Qty: 1043 (Cargo) Armor Thermic Hardener I Dropped items: 250mm 'Scout' I Accelerator Cannon, Qty: 2 Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Lead Charge M, Qty: 80 Alumel-Wired I Sensor Augmentation Hammerhead I, Qty: 5 (Drone Bay) 100MN Afterburner I Cap Recharger II, Qty: 2 Salvager I Small Tractor Beam I Scan Resolution Ogre I, Qty: 4 (Drone Bay)
GunnerC Bessemer Inc Lost Children of Eve	Posted - 2007.12.09 19:49:00 - [14] Edited by: GunnerC on 09/12/2007 19:51:55 Yep, can't believe this is soloable at the moment (Edit - congrats on the earlier post about use of smartbombs to kill the defenders - perhaps it's not 'sensibly' soloable). I lost a Maelstrom - experimental setup, artillery for long range drones for short. The drones chewed through some of the frigates, but there were dozens (it seemed like). I killed off the repair structure and the recon outpost building just in case but it didn't seem to help. My tank was ok - I took over 130,000 damage before I died - but it still didn't take long ! Petitioned to see what happens.
Percible	Posted - 2007.12.09 20:18:00 - [15] This mission is bugged and I would advise to not try it until its been sorted. Congrats to the guy that smart-bombed, unfortunately I took the pop-up's message to not shoot the outpost defenders serious and literal. If you lost a ship - petition it. I lost a lot of wealth, which i don't mind risking on "working" missions, but this is clearly buggered.
Iracham Gallente	Posted - 2007.12.09 20:50:00 - [16] The only bug is the concord warning on the defenders, although imo the defenders shouldn't scramble you (and I guess I got lucky that they didn't scram me or I'd have a new domi too), I like the smartbomb bit, it encourages a bit of outside-the-box thinking rather than the same old warp in, activate tank, set drones to work, and leave.
GunnerC Bessemer Inc Lost Children of Eve	Posted - 2007.12.09 20:54:00 - [17] Edited by: GunnerC on 09/12/2007 20:54:47 Hi, I agree the bug primarily relates to the warning on the defenders, if that is fixed this just becomes a damn tough lvl4 - though if it relies on a specific weapon type to do I could argue it discriminates against those that do not have that skill (weak argument though). Is there any other lvl4 that requires one specific weapon type to make it possible solo ? My petition response came through very fast - and the mission was cleared. As advised have petitioned separately for reimbursement. ******************************** Sadly we are unable to handle reimbursement cases in this category. Please file a new petitio under reimbursement category. My apologies for any additional delay this may cause. I've cleared the mission for you. You need to talk to your agent to get a new mission. Thank you for your patience in this matter and please accept our apologies for the inconvenience. I'm closing this petition. If you have any further questions, don't hesitate to contact us again. Best regards, Senior GM Xamother EVE Online Customer Support
Imaos	Posted - 2007.12.09 22:00:00 - [18] I just flew this mission and the fighters were annoying as hell. 1. I had to add them to overview. 2. The annoying message about the innocence of the fighters which I didnt want to turn off as I was remote repairing my drones. 3. Electronic attack frigs warp scrambling. Completed the mission in my standard amarr fit domi. 2LAR2, 2n-type heat, 2n-type em, dc2. Despite the annoying warnings and the first shock the fighters went down fast under Praetor fire (2 omnies). The fighters seemed to be a good source of cap, too. Imaos ------------------------------------------ Originally by: NoNah My friend, this is EVE, as it's a space oriented game, they couldn't have trolls. We have Caldari.
Planktal Kenshao Industries	Posted - 2007.12.09 22:11:00 - [19] Edited by: Planktal on 09/12/2007 22:12:03 I dont know what you guys were doing wrong. I did this mission on patch day when the server came back and yes, I had to warp out once but otherwise I found it not much harder than any other lvl4 missions. I was tanking 94% EM and 89% Thermal and yes they were bitting into my armor but my drones cleared them fine. Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... THWONK! GOT the bastard.
Imaos	Posted - 2007.12.09 22:20:00 - [20] Originally by: Planktal Edited by: Planktal on 09/12/2007 22:12:03 I dont know what you guys were doing wrong. I did this mission on patch day when the server came back and yes, I had to warp out once but otherwise I found it not much harder than any other lvl4 missions. I was tanking 94% EM and 89% Thermal and yes they were bitting into my armor but my drones cleared them fine. Not seeing them on overview, but seeing little crosses orbit you is annyoing as is the concord warning we got when we ordered the drones to attack. You might say: Turn off the warning; but if you do that and you accidentally remote repair an enemy and not a drone it can be fatal. At least the concord warning has to go. Imaos ------------------------------------------ Originally by: NoNah My friend, this is EVE, as it's a space oriented game, they couldn't have trolls. We have Caldari.
CaeserTheGreat	Posted - 2007.12.09 23:16:00 - [21] Unable to do the mission period as my screen gets filled with system error pop ups as soon as they start firing at me. Yup a error on each fired shot.. try warping out while closing multiple error pop ups. It just keeps getting better for me.... :(
Kronos	Posted - 2007.12.10 02:25:00 - [22] I attempted the mission about 5-6 times no luck then I had another Raven join me with no luck. Im glad others had the trouble as its the only mission I asked the GM's to skip for me. This they done with no questions asked and I even got the mission reward and bouns thanks to the quick response. Hope it is fixed soon, the mission about the mines was a nice change. Keep up the good work CCP you will get there in the end.
Hectaire Glade Forum Jockey	Posted - 2007.12.10 08:13:00 - [23] I did this in a passive tanked rattlesnake on friday last week and had absolutely no issues with it, didnt use drones and just munched the rats as they came close, never got below 85% on the shield. Couldn't differentiate whether EM or Thermal was better cruise damage type though, seemed impartial. The only tactic i used was orbiting the beacon at 2.5K and only attacking things which agressed me when i warped in, was simple enough to clear out, if not a bit boring during to the overall volume of stuff to kill. Looks like some of the damage posted in this thread is a bit buggy, i completed it sucessfully though.
Siobhan Ni Gallente Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.12.10 08:14:00 - [24] I done this one using a logistic ship to boost my main. 2 x smart bombs on my raven wasted the defender drones and the rest was easy. Smart bombs can also take out the EW frigs too when they get in close. It isn't that hard once you figure out a strategy. Reward was a 1 run T2 smart bomb bpc. Wonder if this will set a trend for new missions?. Has any one tried part 5? I haven't got round to doing that part yet.
Elbar Thera Minmatar	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:07:00 - [25] Hi, i have done that mission, and the rest too, without any problem (guess i was lucky). The warning message popped up too and so i decided to not engange them at all, because i lost a nice nighthawk to concord lately (no reimbursment because i'm in a npc corp aka 2nd class citizen). Was using my standard cnr (or rni ) with cruise missles (thanks to ccp for ******* up torp usage in missions ) I've got that mission again right after the first one, though i have dropped it for getting no bounty at all beside that large emp smarty t2 bpc (1 run) there was nothing worth in it. Elbar
Vasq Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2007.12.10 12:10:00 - [26] jeez, glad i read this, i did part 1-3 last night, but it was gettin l8 so i turned in b4 i accepted part 4. i fly an ishtar so dmg spikes can really hurt me. is there a way of avoiding this mission or do i just take the loyalty point hit by refusing it? Smoke me a kipper, i'll be back for breakfast!
Iracham Gallente	Posted - 2007.12.10 12:32:00 - [27] Edited by: Iracham on 10/12/2007 12:33:41 Part 5 is pretty easy and straightforward, 3 groups of ships in the 1st room, 2 groups in the second, take the groups 1 at a time, no drone agro, just takes a while (4 or 5 BS per group, a couple cruisers and a few frigs) Several structures, none of which dropped anything. BTW I honestly doubt the ability of the ishtar to do 4/5 due to the damage the defenders put out, and the lesser damage of medium smartbombs.
Riggwelter Caldari Drinkers Appreciation Soiciety	Posted - 2007.12.10 12:40:00 - [28] My usual Raven with Shield transfer and drake with tank had no troubles with this mission. Didnt even have to turn on the second transfer.
Kristos Jahlon Gallente	Posted - 2007.12.10 12:53:00 - [29] I'm in the same boat as everyone else. Tanked 67,000+ damage from the outpost defenders, with 13+ hitting for 150+ DPS. That's a lot of DPS Petition in, waiting for my response.
Imaos	Posted - 2007.12.10 23:19:00 - [30] Originally by: Iracham Edited by: Iracham on 10/12/2007 12:33:41 Part 5 is pretty easy and straightforward, 3 groups of ships in the 1st room, 2 groups in the second, take the groups 1 at a time, no drone agro, just takes a while (4 or 5 BS per group, a couple cruisers and a few frigs) Several structures, none of which dropped anything. You can get early aggro by moving towards the gate. Second group engages at about 15km towards gate third group if you reach the gate. Imaos ------------------------------------------ Originally by: NoNah My friend, this is EVE, as it's a space oriented game, they couldn't have trolls. We have Caldari.
Excido Charon Gallente House CHOAM	Posted - 2007.12.11 19:55:00 - [31] Edited by: Excido Charon on 11/12/2007 19:54:55 Lost my Raven AND Hyperion to this mission With both tanked at an estimated 1000 DPS, I've lost about 600mil from attempting to do this mission Told my agent to go suck an egg >:( The other parts of the mission were fun though, hope they get this fixed soon
ra set	Posted - 2007.12.11 20:13:00 - [32] Did pt4 in megathon with 2 smartbombs and 350 rails. The outpost defenders hit hard, but smartbombs kill them fast. couple of war outs to regain cap. only shot the rats when they had me targetted. pt5 is fun with lots of amarr BS and the salvage is good - 20 melted caps for a start
Vahligmarr	Posted - 2007.12.11 21:09:00 - [33] did this mission yesterday, defenders are really bugged, they hit hard, but they could not bring my mael down, had not to warp out. Luckily they didn't hit me with 45000 dmg with a single volley, this would have been my doom too of course. defenders act really strange, they're extremely fast, all of a sudden, they return to the structure they guard only to jump back to you in the next seconds. if you zoom on the structure, you can see that they fly manuvers, normally not possible.
Volvoic	Posted - 2007.12.13 12:15:00 - [34] did a petition, but no responce. waiting for 5 days now. want my ships back.
Percible	Posted - 2007.12.13 12:33:00 - [35] Originally by: Volvoic did a petition, but no responce. waiting for 5 days now. want my ships back. I'm in the same boat as you. Not only ships but some rare faction gear. I was also lucky enough to take part in the great jump clone implant fiasco by not only losing implants in the clone I jumped out of, but also lost them in the clone I jumped into. Petition for clones sent in last Wednesday, petition for the ships sent in last Thursday. Needless to say, I've had better EVE days. I'm trying to remain patient and civil though.
Magenta Solaria Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.15 02:01:00 - [36] On the bright side, the patch mentions issues being resolved for this mission. Has anyone had any luck in the area of ship reimbursment?
The Knight Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.12.15 05:44:00 - [37] None yet. This loss cost me more than my implant loss (jump clone bug). My petition shows that it is currently being worked (in action), so hopefully it won't be long now.
The Knight Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.17 12:48:00 - [38] Originally by: Magenta Solaria On the bright side, the patch mentions issues being resolved for this mission. Has anyone had any luck in the area of ship reimbursment? I just got a petiition reply saying they weren't aware there were problems with this mission and I should sumbit a bug report. Where did you see it mentioned the mission bug is being worked because my reimbursment request doesn't appear to be a consideration.
Magenta Solaria Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.17 20:03:00 - [39] In the patch notes for the next patch. http://myeve.eve-online.com/updates/patchnotes.asp Build 45001 to 45943 addresses Patch Notes for Trinity 1.0.1 ...snip... Missions Activities performed by drones now count towards determining whether a mission is complete - specifically, using mining drones would prevent mining missions from completing properly. The issues with the mission Pot and Kettle - Seek and Destroy (4 of 5) have been resolved. Objectives for the mission In the Shadow of War (1 of 5) have been clarified. Security agents are no longer giving out mining missions. No more milk runs! ...snip... I have recieved the same response, that there was nothing abnormal and if I thought there was a bug I should post a bug report (which I did). I added that the patch notes had mentioned issues with that mission, and wanted to know if those issues as I had observed them would allow for ship reimbursal (Outpost Defenders showing they are CONCORD protected while they rip your ship apart with massive DPS).
Magenta Solaria Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.18 07:07:00 - [40] Well my petition was denied. Apparently since I was warp scrammed by the recon frigates when the outpost defenders decided to annihilate my ship, none of the bugs are considered directly causing my ship's destruction. I'm out a massive ton of ISK for what feels like a really lame reason. Good luck to everyone else who was hoping to get a ship back
The Knight Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 12:32:00 - [41] Originally by: Magenta Solaria Well my petition was denied. Apparently since I was warp scrammed by the recon frigates when the outpost defenders decided to annihilate my ship, none of the bugs are considered directly causing my ship's destruction. I'm out a massive ton of ISK for what feels like a really lame reason. Good luck to everyone else who was hoping to get a ship back Same here...completely lame. Its kind of funny though to get a reply in a petition saying, "Yep, there was a bug, but you aren't getting reimbursed"
FT Diomedes Gallente Ductus Exemplo	Posted - 2007.12.18 13:29:00 - [42] The bug wasn't to the amount of damage they were doing, just to the warning associated with them. Still, I agree that it sucks for anyone who lost ships to this mission. ------------ Improvize. Adapt. Overcome.
Magenta Solaria Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.18 16:20:00 - [43] My team mate wouldn't shoot at them because of the popup, and neither would I and thats all the confusion time it took for my fate to be sealed. =( Oh well, live and learn. Had I not been so excited to try out the new content, I mighta known about the mission ahead of time and just petitioned to get a GM to complete it for me =(.
phalanx III Shadow Front Lost Children of Eve	Posted - 2007.12.19 00:17:00 - [44] Lost my drake on this and petitioned, had it replaced within 24 hrs.
Sara Nomiya	Posted - 2007.12.19 04:57:00 - [45] Originally by: Magenta Solaria My team mate wouldn't shoot at them because of the popup, and neither would I and thats all the confusion time it took for my fate to be sealed. =( Oh well, live and learn. Had I not been so excited to try out the new content, I mighta known about the mission ahead of time and just petitioned to get a GM to complete it for me =(. As long as the petition isn't closed (in which case I'd lodge a new one) then you can reply and maybe even put in a link to the patch note and this thread. I've lost a ship in a mission which also claimed a alt's ship as well for similar bug and been refused reimbursement even though they returned my alt's ship ! I replied ... somewhat strongly worded and a different GM reimbursed what was lost with standard reply. As they're pretty busy sometimes they may not be quite up to speed with all the changes in Eve and new bugs/issues. From past experience if you reply to a petition then often the petition is escallated to a more experienced GM or one that may have wider scope for resolution. I'm lucky to not have been offered this mission yet (still just getting the usual regulars). All the best to those who lost ships and hope you all get them returned soon.
Magenta Solaria Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.19 06:42:00 - [46] They continually tell me they cannot verify anything was abnormal . So here, for everyone to see, is my shameful loss. Additionally I left the mission open thinking it was a huge issue and it would be easier for the GM's to see the mission if I left it open. I tried to go back and get my stuff but none of my other ships could get to where I died and get out in time. Had I just set a bookmark and closed the mission, again, my stupid self would not have lost what dropped at least. Enjoy my n00bness and the epic l0lz...I'm back to tech 2 ravens for my Level 4s 2007.12.07 06:38:00 Victim: Magenta Solaria Alliance: United Connection's Corp: The New Order. Destroyed: Raven Navy Issue System: Horir Security: 0.9 Damage Taken: 214071 Involved parties: Name: Outpost Defender / Amarr Empire (laid the final blow) Damage Done: 214071 Destroyed items: Paradise Cruise Missile, Qty: 1904 (Cargo) Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Qty: 3 Wrath Cruise Missile, Qty: 2846 (Cargo) Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Capacitor Control Circuit I, Qty: 3 Cataclysm Cruise Missile, Qty: 1838 (Cargo) Paradise Cruise Missile, Qty: 112 Radio M True Sansha Cap Recharger Heavy Pulse Laser I Pith X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Dropped items: Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Qty: 4 Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field, Qty: 2 Devastator Cruise Missile, Qty: 1996 (Cargo) Paradise Cruise Missile, Qty: 84 Standard M (Cargo) True Sansha Power Diagnostic System, Qty: 4 Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System Gist X-Type X-Large Shield Booster
marie claude	Posted - 2007.12.19 06:47:00 - [47] Originally by: Magenta Solaria They continually tell me they cannot verify anything was abnormal . So here, for everyone to see, is my shameful loss. Additionally I left the mission open thinking it was a huge issue and it would be easier for the GM's to see the mission if I left it open. I tried to go back and get my stuff but none of my other ships could get to where I died and get out in time. Had I just set a bookmark and closed the mission, again, my stupid self would not have lost what dropped at least. Enjoy my n00bness and the epic l0lz...I'm back to tech 2 ravens for my Level 4s OMFG!! IM SO SORRY TRINITY = EPIC FAIL 2007.12.07 06:38:00 Victim: Magenta Solaria Alliance: United Connection's Corp: The New Order. Destroyed: Raven Navy Issue System: Horir Security: 0.9 Damage Taken: 214071 Involved parties: Name: Outpost Defender / Amarr Empire (laid the final blow) Damage Done: 214071 Destroyed items: Paradise Cruise Missile, Qty: 1904 (Cargo) Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Qty: 3 Wrath Cruise Missile, Qty: 2846 (Cargo) Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Capacitor Control Circuit I, Qty: 3 Cataclysm Cruise Missile, Qty: 1838 (Cargo) Paradise Cruise Missile, Qty: 112 Radio M True Sansha Cap Recharger Heavy Pulse Laser I Pith X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Dropped items: Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Qty: 4 Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field, Qty: 2 Devastator Cruise Missile, Qty: 1996 (Cargo) Paradise Cruise Missile, Qty: 84 Standard M (Cargo) True Sansha Power Diagnostic System, Qty: 4 Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System Gist X-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Percible	Posted - 2007.12.19 12:48:00 - [48] Originally by: Magenta Solaria They continually tell me they cannot verify anything was abnormal . So here, for everyone to see, is my shameful loss. Additionally I left the mission open thinking it was a huge issue and it would be easier for the GM's to see the mission if I left it open. I tried to go back and get my stuff but none of my other ships could get to where I died and get out in time. Had I just set a bookmark and closed the mission, again, my stupid self would not have lost what dropped at least. Enjoy my n00bness and the epic l0lz...I'm back to tech 2 ravens for my Level 4s 2007.12.07 06:38:00 Victim: Magenta Solaria Alliance: United Connection's Corp: The New Order. Destroyed: Raven Navy Issue System: Horir Security: 0.9 Damage Taken: 214071 Involved parties: Name: Outpost Defender / Amarr Empire (laid the final blow) Damage Done: 214071 Destroyed items: Paradise Cruise Missile, Qty: 1904 (Cargo) Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Qty: 3 Wrath Cruise Missile, Qty: 2846 (Cargo) Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Capacitor Control Circuit I, Qty: 3 Cataclysm Cruise Missile, Qty: 1838 (Cargo) Paradise Cruise Missile, Qty: 112 Radio M True Sansha Cap Recharger Heavy Pulse Laser I Pith X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Dropped items: Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Qty: 4 Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field, Qty: 2 Devastator Cruise Missile, Qty: 1996 (Cargo) Paradise Cruise Missile, Qty: 84 Standard M (Cargo) True Sansha Power Diagnostic System, Qty: 4 Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System Gist X-Type X-Large Shield Booster OMG I suffered the same fate as you, but didn't lose nearly as much in terms of isk. This whole thing is really lame and I've taken the advice to leave the petition open. There is just NO logical reason to refuse reimbursement.
Zim Tehirken Gallente Die dunkle Bruderschaft	Posted - 2007.12.19 14:55:00 - [49] I just did this mission once.. before the patch. Just killed the drone before it could kill me. Was in a Dual repped Dominix and used Small Hobgoblins II to kill it... just ignore the warning. Concord didnt come after me.
Aerandir Telrunya Gallente Bears Inc Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.19 21:01:00 - [50] Just completed it in a passive tanking ishtar. Wasn't too bad, they took my shields to about 40% but I was able to take the defenders out with vespa ii's quick enough to keep the DPS from getting to much. I guess its 'fixed' now but I didn't get it pre-patch so I can't say if its any easier or not now, but I didn't get any pop-ups.
Magenta Solaria Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.19 21:11:00 - [51] The last reason I was given for ship reimbursment denial was the popup saying I would be CONCORD'ed if I attacked was a client side UI error and can't be verified by server logs thus no reimbursment could be given. I'm glad some people got their ships back at least. I'll make the money back eventually.
The Knight Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.19 21:40:00 - [52] Originally by: Magenta Solaria The last reason I was given for ship reimbursment denial was the popup saying I would be CONCORD'ed if I attacked was a client side UI error and can't be verified by server logs thus no reimbursment could be given. I'm glad some people got their ships back at least. I'll make the money back eventually. Are you kidding me? There are several people in this thread with no affiliation at all to each other, who all got the same pop-up warning. WTF? I agree the money can be made back, but this is BS.
Jonak Gallente	Posted - 2007.12.20 03:55:00 - [53] Originally by: Vasq jeez, glad i read this, i did part 1-3 last night, but it was gettin l8 so i turned in b4 i accepted part 4. i fly an ishtar so dmg spikes can really hurt me. is there a way of avoiding this mission or do i just take the loyalty point hit by refusing it? I'd like to know the same thing. What if you did parts 1-3. Can you decline the other parts like you would any other mission? Would you take a standings hit?
Thelonious M0nk	Posted - 2007.12.20 03:56:00 - [54] Edited by: Thelonious M0nk on 20/12/2007 03:59:30 I just did this mission and it seemed pretty easy to me, I just shot all the red blinky stuff and it was easier than an average lvl4... I hadn't read this thread first either, otherwise I probably wouldn't have tried it. So I think it might be fixed now. I do missions for a gallente agent btw, if that makes a difference.
Aurelius Constantinus	Posted - 2007.12.20 04:50:00 - [55] Well, it seems that I am not the only one to find this mission a little difficult. Fortunately, I did manage to clear the mission without having to jump out, or suffer the loss of my CNR, but I honestly was a little worried when I saw those outpost defenders move and hit. I did the mission by aligning to a station, turning on the cruise missles, and pulsing my shield booster appropriately to deal with damage and manage cap. I had full room aggro, and every respawn seemed to like to aggro my drones. It took me a little while to realize that it was the defenders chewing into my shields, and next time I do this mission, those ships will be the first one I pop. I used EM cruise missles and they went down really fast, I would say 2 volleys per ship (14 missles). A little patience, and resolve should find you sucessful. But that mission has got me a little concerned about the fifth mission in the string, and on that note, I am heading to bed and going to tackle it tomorrow.
Iracham Gallente	Posted - 2007.12.20 17:09:00 - [56] 5th mission is trivial and straightforward compared to the 4th.
Volvoic	Posted - 2007.12.20 19:18:00 - [57] finally got my ships back ! but lost allot of items, they couldn¦t salvage, they said. here is the respons: Hello, We have now returned the ship to your hangar. Some items might be missing from the ship (the ones left in the wreck), and those we are unfortunately unable to replace. Note that we have removed the insurance payout you received for the ship loss. Further details are available in your character's eve-mail inbox. Thank you for your patience. Best regards, GM Markab EVE Online Customer Support.
The Rush	Posted - 2007.12.21 04:39:00 - [58] My hull of my hyperion is repairing as I write this from those defenders. If you guys think about it, This set of missions deals with smartbombs. It makes complete sense that those dang defenders do so much damage, ya know?
Sai1ent	Posted - 2007.12.21 21:46:00 - [59] Anymore feedback on this mission? How balanced is it in terms of difficulty with other lvl 4 missions? I have just turned it down as I am still a n00b with level 4's and from what the majority of people are saying, this seems to be much more difficult than others.
Aerandir Telrunya Gallente Bears Inc Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.21 23:05:00 - [60] Originally by: Sai1ent Anymore feedback on this mission? How balanced is it in terms of difficulty with other lvl 4 missions? I have just turned it down as I am still a n00b with level 4's and from what the majority of people are saying, this seems to be much more difficult than others. Well I can only speak for myself flying a shield tanking ishtar, but it was probably the hardest lvl4's (even more so than the AE bonus room). But it was only because of the extreamly high DPS of the oupost defenders. Once they are dead (which doesn't take very long) it's easy. If I get it again I might try getting in an armor tanking BS and fitting a couple of large smartbombs and see how that goes.
Dio Eracles	Posted - 2007.12.21 23:42:00 - [61] So what dmg type should I tank for on this mission and what dmg type should I inflict to improve the odds? I just got 1 of 5 for Pot and Kettle so eventually I'll get to #4.
Aerandir Telrunya Gallente Bears Inc Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.21 23:52:00 - [62] I must admit I wasn't really concentrating on the damage type they were doing (more worried about keeping my ship in one piece ), but as the outpost defenders were amarr fighters then I'd guess EM (but you'd probably do well to tank for thermal as well).
Zeromancer Corp Zero	Posted - 2007.12.22 11:00:00 - [63] I have done this mission 2 times now. 1st time in a Hyperion with 2x Lar 2s and 2xEm + 2xTherm hardeners. this was before the latest patch and i was down to about 50% armour at the lowest. I used drones to take out the outpostdefenders. The second time was last night in a Kronos. Same setup with armourepairers and hardeners, but this time i used 2 named em and 1 thermal smartbomb to take out the defenders. Was much faster and the outpostdefenders popped after a couple of cycles with the smarbombs. I didn't have to turn on more than one armourrepairer this time.
FT Diomedes Gallente Ductus Exemplo	Posted - 2007.12.22 18:16:00 - [64] This mission was no problem at all with a pair of large EMP smartbombs on my Hyperion. ------------ Improvize. Adapt. Overcome.
Sarah Beany	Posted - 2007.12.22 21:52:00 - [65] ok, i found this mission not too bad. just completed it in about 20 mins with small hobgoblins on the defenders. dominix fitted with 1 large and 1 medium repper. I only needed to turn the large on for about 1 min. The damage is not that bad to be that honest. Just tank for EM and Thermal.
Titus Herta Caldari Battlegroup Herta	Posted - 2007.12.23 13:52:00 - [66] Originally by: Sarah Beany ok, i found this mission not too bad. just completed it in about 20 mins with small hobgoblins on the defenders. dominix fitted with 1 large and 1 medium repper. I only needed to turn the large on for about 1 min. The damage is not that bad to be that honest. Just tank for EM and Thermal. Like Sarah, also completed it in about 20 minutes. My Domi was fitted with 1 large "accommodation" armor repairer, 2 x EM armor hardener IIs, 2 x thermal armor hardener IIs, and a DCU II, plus a mix of T1 and T2 drones. My T2 medium drones took care of the outpost defenders without any trouble. I doubt my armor dropped below 95% at any time during this mission.
Crawler Gallente Solar Wind	Posted - 2007.12.24 10:30:00 - [67] i lost an absolution it this mission...... i thought it was a deadspace mission so i didnt expect 5 pirats to warp in a attack me i agree that the defenders are overpowered they striped my shields in two shoots but my tank held. _____________________________________________ yawnnnnn
AncientGuardian Gallente Intaki Liberation Front	Posted - 2007.12.24 13:34:00 - [68] I just ran this to halfway trough the 5th mission (simply because i was to tired to finish the second room) i ran this in my domi, the only t2 stuff i had fitted were cap rechargers. 2 em hardner, 2 therm hardners. 1 named LAR. and a pointer. the most exciting part of this was the 4th mission, with the little devils that left no wreck. (after reading this thread before starting it, i took the advice to load up an emp smart bomb) the 5th mission was easy, my armor never droped below 90%. it just took a while to pop each BS because of my skills. (drone skills arnt as high as id like to be in a drone tank) its easy as long as you have adequate em/thermal hardners. Quote: 'Last night I played a blank tape at full blast. The mime next door went nuts' Quote: If I ever saw an amputee getting hanged, I would start yelling out letters.
Percible	Posted - 2007.12.24 16:46:00 - [69] The problem with this mission wasn't centered around the damage, although its a little higher than normal, it centered around a bug that caused a concord pop-up window to appear warning to not shoot the Outpost Defenders. By time you realized you needed to ignore the warning, you were probably already scrambled and losing tank. They fixed this problem with the trinity patch 1.0.1, but thy seem to NOT give a crap about reimbursing losses caused by the bug, although some people did get their stuff back.
Freakdevil Aliastra	Posted - 2007.12.24 21:56:00 - [70] Just completed this mission in my Domi. It is cake. Tips: Fit dual Large EMP Smartbombs, dual EM & Thermal hardeners. Tried using the Curator IIs and they worked fine. Might want to fit an Omni tracker for those that get below 20 (I used my Hammerheads for those) Merry Xmas :)
Spaderunner Minmatar Alt Traders Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.05 04:45:00 - [71] I lost a recent purchase to this mission, my CNR. I am a casual gamer, fancied treating myself to a nice ship over Xmas. I have run missions since 2004 and this is the first I have petitioned, mission is impossible to tank on well skilled T2 raven fit or kill fast enough with a single smartie. Only way to kill all the close range drones is smartbombs, given the prior mission give a 1 run plan you might think this is enough. It isn't, lost CNR, went back with 4 smarties and wiped them out and carried on. Unfair that CCP will not reimburse for my having to beta a mission :/ Being a casual player I dont make enough to afford this sort of thing. Result of petition was Eve GMs saying this was fixed weeks ago... First and only moan post in 3+ years, sort it out CCP :/

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