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Zephyr Rengate
Racketeers
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Posted - 2007.12.26 13:54:00 -
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How often would you respond to a random person in local asking to run lvl 4s with them?
If never what are your reasons?
Dont trust them?
Want all the loot for yourself?
I recently did a few with a random, and it was fun as hell and quicker.
It was a nice change since i find most people do not interact with those outside their corp.
Im sure you all have some horror stories. 
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Thrus
Caldari
The Phalanx Expeditionary Conglomerate
Blue Sky Consortium
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Posted - 2007.12.26 14:26:00 -
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3 main reasons.
1. I tend to run where there are over 100 people in local, nt uncommon for a L4 agnet. so local at times just has garbage in it.
2. My corp. I can usualy find others that are running L4s that will partner up.
3. Ignorance on my side. I know that bing corp mates allows them to fire on me, not sure about being in gang with them. As I said ignorance.
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Hotice
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Posted - 2007.12.26 15:14:00 -
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Generally, you shouldn't trust anybody in Eve. The whole culture of this game is rather dark. If there was one game that shows the ugliest side of human nature, this game would be it. Thus, trust no one and always be ready to deal with any situation is the best practice to stay safe in game. I honestly don't even trust people in the same corp. I usually fly with t1 ships with standard mods when I join corp run missions. All it takes is one person to ruin your day.
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Miksta
Caldari
Ma-Ven Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.26 15:23:00 -
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Ill only do missions from alliance, ill never trust people outside of it :P
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SheriffFruitfly
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2007.12.26 16:05:00 -
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I've run missions with strangers that I've met in invite-only private chat channels, but that's as far as I'd go.
For me it comes down to deciding which error I'd rather make: (1) not running a mission with someone I *should* run the mission with, or (2) running a mission with someone I *shouldn't*. I generally choose (1); other people may make the other choice.
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Weeka
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2007.12.26 19:12:00 -
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Did it once with a guy asking for help in the lvl4 channel .. turned out to be me and him with his t1 destroyer orbiting 200km
Wouldn't do this with again with people I don't know.
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MuffinsRevenger
EmpiresMod
Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.12.26 19:32:00 -
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Thing is it's so stupidly easy to competly make a mission impossible by shooting trigger ships, popping mission-items or just using the gang-thingy to let you shoot your gangmate without anny real risk for the guy doing it or ability to prevent it from the missionrunners side to make it worthwhile even trying ganging up people, wich proceeds to hurt the whole multiplayer aspect of PVE (and yes, there is such thing)
If those mentioned above flaws where reworked i bet we would see alot of people ganing up, not becouse it would be more profitble but becouse gang-missionrunning is more fun
but then that would remove a easy way to gank without risk from the game, causing a whole army of forumwarriors to be unleashed onto the forums etc etc |
Angel DeMorphis
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.12.26 20:47:00 -
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 Originally by: MuffinsRevenger
or just using the gang-thingy to let you shoot your gangmate without anny real risk for the guy doing it
Actually, getting in a gang with someone doesn't open you up to be shot at by them (without the normal repercussions, of course), but it does open you up to getting shot at if they are in a war. Still, I can't see why you would want to do a mission with someone you don't know when (a) others in your corp or more than willing or like to have fun doing missions together (b) I can solo them and keep all the loot/ISK/reward/LP/standing, etc to myself and (c) the moron stranger that you agreed to do a mission with does something dumb to get his ship popped and comes after you to try to get revenge.
Basically, it comes down to one thing, just like if you were in a real gang/army or whatever, you'd only go into battle with someone you knew and trusted to have your back. I know my friends are willing to warp to me at the drop of a hat to help me out of a sticky situation. I don't know if Mr. Random is just going to shoot all the trigger ships and leave me out to hang.
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Bladen Kerst
Caldari
Bladen Kerst Innovations
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Posted - 2007.12.26 20:58:00 -
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Trust is for the foolish and the dead (c)
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Bartom Dekkar
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2007.12.26 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: Angel DeMorphis
Originally by: MuffinsRevenger
or just using the gang-thingy to let you shoot your gangmate without anny real risk for the guy doing it
Actually, getting in a gang with someone doesn't open you up to be shot at by them (without the normal repercussions, of course), but it does open you up to getting shot at if they are in a war...
Or he can then invite a buddy/alt who *is* at war and you become a war target without even knowing it.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.12.26 23:12:00 -
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I would help a player asking a hand for low level missions or someone that has bitten the wrong Cosmos mission (if I know the mission), but not someone unknown to me that want an hand for level 4 missions.
As stated by the other posters there are several problems:
1) could be one of several kind of traps to make my ship a target;
2) I don't know the other player real abilities and knowledge of the mission, he could easily make a mess of it;
3) someone that accept a level 4 mission will not be a newbie, so he should know his limits and abilities. If he is a corp/alliance mate that has overextended himself I will give him a hand, but a complete stranger asking me to resolve his problems because he was to lazy to research the mission or too*****sure don't get much sympathy from me.
Especially if it seem to be a habit of the person.
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Karan Kaldarian
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.12.26 23:50:00 -
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Edited by: Karan Kaldarian on 26/12/2007 23:50:50
I agree with Hotice.
I normally trust no one in Eve. I play solo just to avoid someone (and there are a lot) trying to ruin your day.
If I were in a corporation of course it would be different and in this case only for level 5 missions. All level 4 mission can be soloed , just need to collect info available on forums.
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2007.12.27 00:18:00 -
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I trust people to make an earnest attempt to blow up my ship and pop my pod. But sometimes they let me down. 
In either case though, I don't hold it against them. GG.
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SUTARAofHELL
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Posted - 2007.12.27 01:10:00 -
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Trust no one m8 ... 99% of the time you will ether be killed, fooled or both Lot od people will try to take advantage of you. Best thing is to join (if not part of) corp - one that suit you best with your needs (missions, pvp, pirating, low/high sec, mining etc etc) and do the missions only with them
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Carniflex
Caldari
Fallout Research
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.12.27 09:46:00 -
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Don't talk to strangers, they are after your lucky charms.
Healthy amount of paranoia keeps you safer. Only people I trust are the ones I know personally in RL and my corp mates (altho I'm slightly paranoid towards members of my own corp also if I have not known them for a long while). There is no reason whatever to go out of your way to help someone random in local as it gains you nothing but additional security risks. For socialization aspect of game use people in your own corp.
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Dubious Drewski
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Posted - 2007.12.27 10:29:00 -
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I used to trust people in gangs. Then I learned of the war alt trick. Now I Only gang with strangers after talking with them for a while to guage their character - and then if I decide to gang up after all, I make sure to bring my pvp Drake - nothing can kill it solo  .
But me, people can trust me. Spread the word. I'm a nice guy!
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2007.12.27 10:33:00 -
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*Gains* you nothing? O.o
Here I was, thinking I was the one helping the other guy, not helping myself. But whatever.
I wouldn't risk any nber faction bling ships, but I'll risk a T2 fit T1 BS to help someone out. Even if I gain nothing by it.
I realize messages like this one can be seen as invitations for scum to do that most rotten of deeds, prey on peoples kindness, but I just don't see why socialization should be limited to corp/alliance, the risk *is* worth it, however small or nonexistant the gain.
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Horchan
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.12.27 10:41:00 -
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/me wipes the blood of her hands and glances around suspiciously.
I don't trust any of you *******.
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Originally by: VJ Maverick
Jita is closed on Sundays. It's a holy day.
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Dubious Drewski
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Posted - 2007.12.27 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: Qui Shon
the risk *is* worth it, however small or nonexistant the gain.
Exactly. Some of the most fun I've had was when I was doing missions coop with a former stranger.
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Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr
Do Or Die And Live Or Try
The Kano Organisation
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Posted - 2007.12.27 11:29:00 -
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Me and an old corp m8 once helped a guy who needed help with a lvl 4.
All of us thought the other would trick us, as we were all involved in wars.
Turned out none of us did, but it was a few exciting minutes  .
I think I would do it again, but not something I normally do.
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DaHarMasterKor
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.12.27 11:42:00 -
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I sometimes invite random newbies to salvage and loot missions for me since I'm doing them for standing and not ISK - less boring for me this way and the newbie can make some very nice ISK. But if someone asks for help in local or convoes me to join in my mission running I kindly refuse the offer.
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Orion Shurtak
Mission Runners United
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Posted - 2007.12.27 12:04:00 -
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Eve is a game of odds. would say that if you asked a 100 people in local to help that u could probably trust about 80 of them. However, the more people in local and the better the agent, the better the chance to get an @$$ h^&*.
Always better to be safe than sorry in this game as there seems to be more and more wannabes in this game as of late.
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Mission Runners United
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Feng Schui
Minmatar
The Ninja Coalition
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Posted - 2007.12.27 13:55:00 -
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I sometimes trust noobs that are still in the noob corp, and take them for a few level 4's to help them out isk wise. One guy I asked was scared I was going to pop him (in high sec, I was -3.5 or something, with a 50 mill bounty on my head, lol).
I'm such a carebear 
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Yakumo Smith
Gallente
When Darkness Falls
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Posted - 2007.12.27 16:01:00 -
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I've done a few to help some people out, it's always the "I can't get past this point" type
Generally the ship i'm in determines how much i trust the person. Most often i'll use an arbi as it has enough firepower to get people past the "difficult part" and it's not worth popping as part of an aggro scam.
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Stovetop Cookie
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Posted - 2007.12.27 16:07:00 -
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I've run missions only to have my own corp mates pop my ships on purpose - more than once...
...with teammates like that I don't need to worry about strangers.
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Dubious Drewski
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Posted - 2007.12.30 01:06:00 -
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Aw man. Get the hell out of that corp. You have to be able to trust your corp mates. If you can't, screw 'em. There's much better out there and it's worth taking the time to look.
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Khonsu
Rest home for Tired Seadogs
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Posted - 2007.12.30 05:46:00 -
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I trust my alt.
At least most of the time...
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valerydarcy
Spartan Industries
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.30 11:34:00 -
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Trust no one, youll live longer.
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The Djego
Minmatar
FORTES FORTUNA ADIUVAT CORP.
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Posted - 2007.12.30 12:25:00 -
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Edited by: The Djego on 30/12/2007 12:27:17
Originally by: Venkul Mul
I would help a player asking a hand for low level missions or someone that has bitten the wrong Cosmos mission (if I know the mission), but not someone unknown to me that want an hand for level 4 missions.
As stated by the other posters there are several problems:
1) could be one of several kind of traps to make my ship a target;
2) I don't know the other player real abilities and knowledge of the mission, he could easily make a mess of it;
3) someone that accept a level 4 mission will not be a newbie, so he should know his limits and abilities. If he is a corp/alliance mate that has overextended himself I will give him a hand, but a complete stranger asking me to resolve his problems because he was to lazy to research the mission or too*****sure don't get much sympathy from me.
Especially if it seem to be a habit of the person.
agree
I also tend to give someone new a little hand. Also I allways ask what kind of Mission/NPCs/Stage. If something donŠt look ok i simply regrett.
There are some simple things that keeps you save:
1. allways lead the Gang or leave Gang when warping in the Mission
2. Allways have a eye on that one you help, if he start to pull Aggro or something, simply warp out
3. never use a pimped Ship for something like that
4. if you donŠt know you could handle the Missions/Plex what ever even in the worst cases on your own I simply say no, simply because of things can go wrong and tend to do so, if you working together with a stranger
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Karyuudo Tydraad
Caldari
Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services
The Acquisition
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Posted - 2007.12.30 12:30:00 -
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There are a few precautions you can take to make it safer, but I just don't want to deal with the risk involved with such a thing. If I hit L4 in a gang, it'll be with my corp.
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