I just don't see why I should be forced to log out of a game and quit purely to prevent myself from being ganked because someone in their overpowered tech 2 battlecruiser thought it would be funny to station camp me then follow me through about 2 - 3 systems before finally giving up. These people don't even get to flaunt a spectacular killmail from killing noobs, so why do they even do it?

First, as a lone newbie in 0.0 you are expected to die. Simple as that. Being successful in 0.0 requires to be in a corp (as part of an alliance) or to be an experienced player with some kind of protection (cloaking).

Second, noob characters are used as scouts in 0.0. So even if you are not a worthy opponent to them, killing and podding you could mean one possible scout less. Especially when there is a war in the region.

First, this isn't how a game should be, you may as well just show cinematics of noob frigates being killed constantly and gain ISK and skill points just for that. I should have the choice to not die and do as I please especially in a sandbox if it's not hurting anyone, I shouldn't be punished for subscribing later than the other guy which is what's happened here.

Are you serious?

In your version of the sandbox, the rules should be changed to please only you, and restrict others?

Second I'm in pirate space doing mission running, running around in someone elses space specifically to pod me on the excuse that I 'could' be scouting is like saying police should shoot people in hoodies on the basis they 'could' be part of a gang and about to bring all their friends along to kill them.

First, this isn't how a game should be

I should have the choice to not die and do as I please especially in a sandbox if it's not hurting anyone, I shouldn't be punished for subscribing later than the other guy which is what's happened here..

I shouldn't be punished for subscribing later than the other guy which is what's happened here..

First, this isn't how a game should be, you may as well just show cinematics of noob frigates being killed constantly until you've gained enough skill points in a game I should have the choice to not die and do as I please especially in a sandbox if it's not hurting anyone, I shouldn't be punished for subscribing later than the other guy which is what's happened here.

Second I'm in pirate space doing mission running, running around in someone elses space specifically to pod me on the excuse that I 'could' be scouting is like saying police should shoot people in hoodies on the basis they 'could' be part of a gang and about to bring all their friends along to kill them. This is why people are all staying in high sec and being a lot more active, 0.0 players are acting like a bunch of twats and going around killing anyone that looks at them funny so why should noobs go there?

I may well have to fit a prototype cloaking device, the only problem is this is an alt. so I'll have to wait awhile and inject more ISK, yet again, how everyone can expect a complete noob with no ISK or experience with the game to progress in 0.0 is beyond me.

What they should be doing is making PvE in 0.0 space much easier and more rewarding since the threat of gankers being everywhere alone is a lot to handle if you aren't in a corporation or alliance.

I do wonder at times whether people like you actually read before you post, my position has always been games like this should be a sandbox for everyone, not just for a select few, namely I don't think that gankers should have an automatic advantage over people or 0.0 alliances just because they have the biggest numbers.

I guess I need to spam this more on every thread I post in big capital letters so people get it.

It isn't imposing rules, it's giving people options, if someone's clever enough to dodge peoples stupid tactics as I was here then you should be able to get past them, the problem with EVE is CCP has essentially made the rule "I have the biggest ship in the whole region so you have to die now" that isn't what a sandbox should be, I just don't see why I should be forced to wear a cloak or fly in a pod/shuttle to do it because it's killing MY part of the game and I don't even want anything to do with the person trying to gank me.

lol. Are you actually playing the game or just trolling the forums?

Yet this ******* I had spotted was station camping me and I just knew he was waiting for me to come out with my cargo, gank me so I had to decline it and lose standing.

I undocked, warped off and found that he was somehow following me, most likely using their buddies to tell them where I was at all times, so I just ended up jumping until I got rid of the tech 2 battlecruiser.

how the hell can these 0.0 vets expect noobs to fly into 0.0 space and make ISK

You can't mine the asteroid belts very easily in a noob ship

I just don't see why I should be forced to log out of a game and quit purely to prevent myself from being ganked because someone in their overpowered tech 2 battlecruiser thought it would be funny to station camp me then follow me through about 2 - 3 systems before finally giving up. These people don't even get to flaunt a spectacular killmail from killing noobs, so why do they even do it?

All it does is make these 0.0 gankers look pathetic because when I looked at the map there was a war going on right next to this particular part of 0.0 pirate space so why didn't they go and pick a fight with them? I'm also going to have to go back and get my ship once I'm sure they've gotten bored of chasing me.

So basically your thread is
"Well I decide on the spur of the moment to head to null, with no preperation, scout or any of the other vital tasks I should have done first, then nearly got killed so now I'm sad"

It isn't imposing rules, it's giving people options, if someone's clever enough to dodge peoples stupid tactics as I was here then you should be able to get past them, the problem with EVE is CCP has essentially made the rule "I have the biggest ship in the whole region so you have to die now" that isn't what a sandbox should be, I just don't see why I should be forced to wear a cloak or fly in a pod/shuttle to do it because it's killing MY part of the game and I don't even want anything to do with the person trying to gank me.

1) physically stronger opponent wins when all else is equal

2) larger numbers wins when all else is equal

... the point isn't survival. the point is being able to progress and have fun...

Second, noob characters are used as scouts in 0.0. So even if you are not a worthy opponent to them, killing and podding you could mean one possible scout less. Especially when there is a war in the region.

the point is being able to progress and have fun AND SURVIVE.



Fixed for you en especial

Ever considered that being able to go down in a blaze of glory and take down several people before you die is fun to? I do that a lot on counter-strike, it makes people rage :D

There have been thousands of examples throughout the history of our species and currently that completely prove both of these points wrong, as for your comment about me personally, this is a game, the point isn't survival the point is being able to progress and have fun, if I'm actually forced to log out of a game I have paid for because of another players actions, that isn't fun that's just stupid and unnecessary.

It's like this whole stupid argument that is repeated on here where people seem to think that you should somehow be forced to work hard in a video game that is provided purely for entertainment and fun.

First, this isn't how a game should be, ...

... the only problem is this is an alt.

so I'll have to wait awhile and inject more ISK, yet again, how everyone can expect a complete noob with no ISK or experience with the game to progress in 0.0 is beyond me.

What they should be doing is making PvE in 0.0 space much easier and more rewarding since the threat of gankers being everywhere alone is a lot to handle if you aren't in a corporation or alliance.

[quote=Valei Khurelem]


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=VgvM7av1o1Q#t=60s

You should watch that.

Nice troll though :)

how the hell can these 0.0 vets expect noobs to fly into 0.0 space .

Don't take it personal, it's just that many people in game believe in an "If it moves, shoot it" philosophy, along with being fiercely territorial of their home grounds.

Judging by the things he says in other threads, i actually don't know if this is a troll...

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=66842&p=3

What is this tech 2 battlecruiser you speak of? And how do I get one?

I should have the choice to not die and do as I please

my position has always been games like this should be a sandbox for everyone, not just for a select few, namely I don't think that gankers should have an automatic advantage over people or 0.0 alliances just because they have the biggest numbers.

Do not venture into 0.0 alone with less than 7 million sp.


If you do you are going to die. This is fact.


I wouldn't try to rough it alone with less than ten personally. Either join a corp or carebear it up in highsec for a few weeks.

You kidding or just stupid. This is EVE, this is how it works. Do you actually think more numbers should NOT be an advantage? Clearly you are in the wrong game. No one cares about your problems, play like the rest of us or quit.

...also nice troll

Well I'm done responding intelligently in this thread because no one else against me is bothering to so:

First, this isn't how a game should be, you may as well just show cinematics of noob frigates being killed constantly and gain ISK and skill points just for that. I should have the choice to not die and do as I please especially in a sandbox if it's not hurting anyone

I do wonder at times whether people like you actually read before you post, my position has always been games like this should be a sandbox for everyone, not just for a select few

(Instead you just focus on the offending posts and act as if we all were noob bashing - which we weren't.)

A) there called insta warps, make them

B) he doesn't know you, how dose he know for certain you are a newb running missions and not a cyno alt gathering intel?

And now you will be forever dammed for not meantioning the Sleipnir!!!!!

Claymore and Absolution? Anyone?

Valei, I just sent you a mail. I think you may find it a lot more satisfying than dealing with all the non-helpers currently trolling your thread.

Judging by the things he says in other threads, i actually don't know if this is a troll...

Well I'm done responding intelligently in this thread because no one else against me is bothering to so:.

If I were to fly alone in 0.0 and did not get ganked, I would regard it as a failure by the local inhabitants.

Its no troll. He's playing the wrong game but is too pig-headed to admit it.

Frankly he reminds me of most of the Earth and Beyond refugees who tried Eve when that game closed. A VERY small number of them adapted to Eve, most went off moaning about "griefers". A fair proportion of them tried to get CCP to change the game. By and large they failed, hence why Eve is still around and all the other space MMOs failed.

He's one of them.

HEY! I resemble that remark... well kind of. I started with Eve, then went over to Earth and Beyond, back to Eve, over to a bunch of other MMO's.

Whereas I find it fun warping into a 150 man Drake fleet in a HIC while my fleet tries to take out as many as they can before I go pop.

When an alarming majority say the same thing, perhaps one should reconsider their stance and rethinks their actions.

So according to you about 15 people posting in one thread against what I had to say is a majority?

You know, this really reminds me of the Republican primaries taking place right now in America.

Even Goonwaffle broke under the boredom and fell for some hair-brained scheme of Mitt's to corner the ice market by ganking hulks at ice belts.

So according to you about 15 people posting in one thread against what I had to say is a majority?

You know, this really reminds me of the Republican primaries taking place right now in America.

Done with this thread. OP doesn't want a discussion, he wants to troll.

There are currently 38,564 active players on the EVE server right now, I laugh at your majority.

daring to do PvE in 0.0 space on my own

If you think I'm a troll then why do you all keep posting? :)

Because for every genuine troll, there are 10 idiots who genuinely think the same thing so the best way to deal with a troll is to treat it like an idiot (and the best way to deal with an idiot is to try to educate it).

Because for every genuine troll, there are 10 idiots who genuinely think the same thing so the best way to deal with a troll is to treat it like an idiot (and the best way to deal with an idiot is to try to educate it).

Judging by the things he says in other threads, i actually don't know if this is a troll...

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=66842&p=3

[quote=Cebraio]running around in someone elses space specifically to pod me on the excuse that I 'could' be scouting is like saying police should shoot people in hoodies on the basis they 'could' be part of a gang and about to bring all their friends along to kill them

You really haven't been keeping up with the discussion, OP. If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times. People in 0.0 are trying to tilt the game to make everyone else roll down the table to them so they can gank them. YOU SEE, it gets awful lonely out there with no one to gank. Even Goonwaffle broke under the boredom and fell for some hair-brained scheme of Mitt's to corner the ice market by ganking hulks at ice belts. They just wanted an excuse to come back into the higher sec areas to have something to break up the tedium of watching each other in 0.0, or spinning their ship trying to keep that "I'm a bada$$ for being here" feeling alive.

0.0 people don't want company out there to make life rosy. They want victims. They're so bored they'll chase a pod around. They're going stir crazy out there. I guess you discovered that first hand, though.

What's hair-brained about hurting your opponents while making an absolute fsckton of money at a very small cost, all while having fun in the process?

the point isn't survival the point is being able to progress and have fun, if I'm actually forced to log out of a game I have paid for because of another players actions, that isn't fun that's just stupid and unnecessary

Yeah, yeah. Some things look great on paper.

Your arbitrary rules would remove his fun.

I don't want arbitrary rules, all I want is more options for payback, that's what you lot don't seem to get, apparently, if I'm a noob in 0.0 space and solo, I'm supposed to just roll over and die, when I choose to ignore that rule a bunch of players decide to throw a hissy fit and completely ignore what I've written responding as I've written something else entirely.

First, this isn't how a game should be, you may as well just show cinematics of noob frigates being killed constantly and gain ISK and skill points just for that. I should have the choice to not die and do as I please especially in a sandbox if it's not hurting anyone, I shouldn't be punished for subscribing later than the other guy which is what's happened here.

What they should be doing is making PvE in 0.0 space much easier and more rewarding since the threat of gankers being everywhere alone is a lot to handle if you aren't in a corporation or alliance.

There are currently 38,564 active players on the EVE server right now, I laugh at your majority.

It doesn't mean that you can do whatever you want. It means everyone can do whatever they want,

I just don't see why I should be forced to log out of a game and quit purely to prevent myself from being ganked because someone in their overpowered tech 2 battlecruiser thought it would be funny to station camp me then follow me through about 2 - 3 systems before finally giving up. These people don't even get to flaunt a spectacular killmail from killing noobs, so why do they even do it?