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Kelduum Revaan
EVE University Ivy League
990
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Posted - 2012.02.08 12:51:00 -
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Flay, that is truly an awesome eagle. +1 Internets for you.
For those of you wondering abut the DecShield, it only makes wars more expensive, and doesn't prevent them as all in aim noted at the end of last year.
Despite the DecShield, Mangala Solaris of Red vs Blue contacted us and we recently had a load of fun with them over the weekend, and much explosions were had by all, and if anyone else wants to arrange something similar, let us know.
Not to mention of course that if you had the resources and knowledge to dissuade people from making silly mistakes, would you not use them? Kelduum Revaan CEO, EVE University
Candidate,-áCSM7 |

Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
719
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Posted - 2012.02.08 13:45:00 -
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Shazzam Vokanavom wrote:Big difference between making things difficult for others to war dec EvE-Uni and a view of wanting sensible consensual war dec mechanics. There is no such thing as a SENSIBLE consensual war dec mechanic.
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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
719
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Posted - 2012.02.08 13:46:00 -
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Kelduum Revaan wrote:Despite the DecShield, Mangala Solaris of Red vs Blue contacted us and we recently had a load of fun with them over the weekend, and much explosions were had by all, and if anyone else wants to arrange something similar, let us know. Arranged, consensual wars and/or 1B ISK war declarations ... this is the FUTURE Kelduum Revaan promises for EVE Online players.
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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
719
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Posted - 2012.02.08 13:54:00 -
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Shazzam Vokanavom wrote:You appear to potentially have an [ulterior] personal motive that might be clouding judgement. Yeah, protecting the game from a giant, carebear douchebag getting on the CSM.
(He'll probably still make it onto the CSM ... but have to make sure he doesn't get one of the Circle of Seven seats. Everyone can see what a douche he is throughout the year.)
CHALLENGE Go through his platform posts. Try to eke out an actual platform from his series of neutral statements and politico-speak. All Kel's interested in is getting your vote, padding his EVE Online resume. He's not so much interested in letting you know what he actually represents. He wants that to be a surprise. The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks |

Kelduum Revaan
EVE University Ivy League
993
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Posted - 2012.02.08 14:23:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Kelduum Revaan wrote:Despite the DecShield, Mangala Solaris of Red vs Blue contacted us and we recently had a load of fun with them over the weekend, and much explosions were had by all, and if anyone else wants to arrange something similar, let us know. Arranged, consensual wars and/or 1B ISK war declarations ... this is the FUTURE Kelduum Revaan promises for EVE Online players. Again, Poetic, please provide some proof to back up your claims.
Seriously, you should go back to being a journalist - it made you look much less crazy. The Multiple posts don't help much either.
Also, a big long post (or series of posts depending on character count) detailing my viewpoints on various gameplay options in EVE, coming this evening when I can tidy them up and post them properly. Kelduum Revaan CEO, EVE University
Candidate,-áCSM7 |

Shazzam Vokanavom
Hedion University Amarr Empire
76
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Posted - 2012.02.08 14:46:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Shazzam Vokanavom wrote:Big difference between making things difficult for others to war dec EvE-Uni and a view of wanting sensible consensual war dec mechanics. There is no such thing as a SENSIBLE consensual war dec mechanic.
Exactly, but this is the false projection "you" are wanting to convey against the reality that EvE Uni are only paying to make things diffcult, hence why expressed it as such.
Twist meaning much? Oh wait, we already established that. |

Shazzam Vokanavom
Hedion University Amarr Empire
76
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Posted - 2012.02.08 14:50:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Shazzam Vokanavom wrote:You appear to potentially have an [ulterior] personal motive that might be clouding judgement. Yeah, protecting the game from a giant, carebear douchebag getting on the CSM.
Shame we can't simply exercise extreme caution from potentially mentally unstable self acclaimed trolls. Seems a much more sensible approach to take to me.
And given the achievements of EvE Uni and what it represents, I can see a lot of value with a candidate such as Kelduum, can you say the same?
Even the Mittani respects Kelduum as a candidate for CSM 7.
Quote:Hisec elected Trebor in CSM6 and will likely elect both Trebor and Kelduum in CSM7. Usually the hisec reps are 'hey look, a girl on the internet' or someone from Eve-Uni.
Hisec has had no trouble getting reps on past CSMs; barring the Eve-Uni reps (good folks like Deidra Vaal) they have usually been comical and incompetent (Ankh, here's looking at you, kiddo). I'm quite fond of Trebor though, and support both him and Kelduum for CSM7 should they run.
And judging from his stance and history, he isn't one to overly suffer the "carebear" philosophy, so why would he support such views in Kelduum's candidacy?
Mind it seems Kelduum is not the only one to suffer from your estranged view of things as we can see from his responce to a similar line of questioning from yourself in his thread:
The Mittani wrote:As for your fears of 'carebears' and your obsession with Eve-Uni, if I truly felt that they were spawning weakness and not teaching people how to PvP, I'd just wardec them myself. However, around the time of the dec-shield change, I investigated their practices and Kelduum is running a solid shop with lots of PvP training opportunities - and I expect to see him on CSM7, so get your tinfoil badposts ready. |

Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1032
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Posted - 2012.02.08 15:19:00 -
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Kelduum Revaan wrote: Somewhat off topic (this is CSM stuff really), but I do hope that's what we are already doing in E-UNI, at least to the extent possible in EVE.
Well, I can give you my perspective. I won't pretend to know exactly what kind of classes you teach, but literally every single time I've encountered an EvE Uni fleet "in the wild" its been in the form of a hideously massive blob that steamrolls through sections of lowsec or null sec looking for fights.
The problem is, you can't take a massive group tour-bus style and roam in low sec and hope to get fights. First of all, no one will engage you, if they know they can't match the numbers. How will the students learn to fight if you put them in situations where no one will fight them? Secondly, even if you do find a fight, large class sizes make for less individual student attention - this is the same problem we have in RL education systems.
Low sec combat pilots are a different breed than most. A lot of the militia troops I know actually apologize when they accidently blob a lone enemy - the overwhelming force is so unchallenging we have a "survivor's guilt" sort of complex where we wish we had worked harder for the kill. We pride ourselves on hard-earned kills, plain and simple. It's one of the many mentalities that seperates low sec culture, from null sec culture.
It's also why I've explained that the Mittani's "hate fuels war in 0.0" philosophy, while likely true, is a psychological element that is completely alien to low sec culture. It's also why the plans he repeatedly endorses for linking the FW sovereignty systems with 0.0 sovereignty systems are functionally D.O.A. in terms of being anything that will actually benefit Faction Warfare.
For CCP, linking the two is about laziness when it comes to development time. For The Mittani, it's about making sure if anything breaks, it happens to the FW crowd and not to his players in 0.0 space.
But I digress.
Just wanted to pass along the advice, from a veteran PvP pilot. Kill the giant class sizes - they won't teach your pilots much except maybe how to shut up on comms and how to align and warp. (Important skills, but only the beginning).
You really should know that most PvP pilots in the game (everyone I've talked to in low, and null alike) considers EvE Uni kind of a joke in terms of combat training. I'm not saying that to be mean, its just something you should know, so you can adapt your training program to more closely simulate "realistic" combat situations. If you want to be taken seriously as an educational system, make sure your combat training program is actually respected by real combat pilots. Otherwise, you lead new players into a false sense that they actually are preparing themselves for life beyond high sec.
Take some small gangs out (10 or less) in rifters. Roam them as far into low sec as you can go and kill whatever you can before you all die. Than reship and do it again. And again. You'll teach them a lot more than staying "safe" by hiding in the blob.
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1032
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Posted - 2012.02.08 15:26:00 -
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Also, best of luck with your campaign! You'll need it to gain the traction you need to stay competitive in the race. I certainly believe High Sec needs a voice on the council.
If it doesn't work out though, I would be happy to accept your support in the election, I'm sure we can work together. I share many of the same beliefs and goals as you (I hate seeing new players washed out of the game in frustration) We just disagree somewhat on the most effective method of empowering new players.
Keep in touch, there will be plenty of time for more good conversations about new player issues. it's going to be a hell of a race! |

The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2958
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Posted - 2012.02.08 15:35:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: It's also why I've explained that the Mittani's "hate fuels war in 0.0" philosophy, while likely true, is a psychological element that is completely alien to low sec culture. It's also why the plans he repeatedly endorses for linking the FW sovereignty systems with 0.0 sovereignty systems are functionally D.O.A. in terms of being anything that will actually benefit Faction Warfare.
For CCP, linking the two is about laziness when it comes to development time. For The Mittani, it's about making sure if anything breaks, it happens to the FW crowd and not to his players in 0.0 space.
At the summit, CCP suggested testing new capture mechanics on FW; the idea didn't originate with me. There was no discussion of 'linking' the systems as you imply.
Stop trying to use me as a boogeyman and mentioning me in every other post, or if you do it, you should at least get the facts straight. The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |

Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1037
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Posted - 2012.02.08 15:40:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Shazzam Vokanavom wrote:Big difference between making things difficult for others to war dec EvE-Uni and a view of wanting sensible consensual war dec mechanics. There is no such thing as a SENSIBLE consensual war dec mechanic.
False. Players can Faction Warfare. - its basically just a massive consensual war dec mechanic.
It was supposed to be much more, but was broken from the beginning mechanically, and so up until the recent plexing fix the permanent flashy status of the enemy has been the entire appeal to Faction Warfare the last three years. The ability to have a massive pool of war dec targets to fight with, without having to endure gate fire. (which is also why I'm in strongly in favor of less gate fire, in less situations throughout low sec)
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1037
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Posted - 2012.02.08 15:48:00 -
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The Mittani wrote: At the summit, CCP suggested testing new capture mechanics on FW; the idea didn't originate with me. There was no discussion of 'linking' the systems as you imply.
Stop trying to use me as a boogeyman and mentioning me in every other post, or if you do it, you should at least get the facts straight.
We can continue the discussion in another thread, to not waste Kelduum's time, but I wanted to quickly present the facts for the voters.
Quoted from your recent response to Marc Scaurus low sec survey....
Quote:Q: Do you have any plans to push CCP, if elected, to iterate on lowsec in general?
A: This wonGÇÖt win me friends among the lowsec voter pool, but IGÇÖd prefer CCP to test their ideas for capture mechanics in lowsec/FW before trying to apply a mechanic that doesnGÇÖt work to the much larger nullsec population. Testing mechanics on lowsec is ideal as the player population is low and lowsec hasnGÇÖt gotten love in years; if the mechanic works, itGÇÖs a badly needed boost, and if the mechanic fails then the negative impact across the playerbase as a whole is minimized.
It doesn't matter if it was your original idea or not, you're actively promoting it, while boasting that your usefulness on the council is that you have a lot of sway.
I for one am thrilled you were able to pull CCP's head from their asses regarding Incarna, Crucible was fantastic. I tip my hat to you for that. Just remember "with great power comes great responsibility"...... |

The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2960
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Posted - 2012.02.08 15:51:00 -
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There's nothing there about 'linking' the systems. vOv The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |

Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1037
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Posted - 2012.02.08 15:54:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:There's nothing there about 'linking' the systems. vOv
Fair enough, you're right.
And now back to your regularly scheduled discussion of Kelduum's candidacy, I apologize for the temporary thread hijack. |

Andrea Griffin
102
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Posted - 2012.02.08 15:56:00 -
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I don't support any Eve-Uni candidate due to their abuse of the wardec mechanics (the Infamous Eve-Uni DecShield). It's not you guys who need to repair what has been broken, it's us. CCP Wrangler |

Shazzam Vokanavom
Hedion University Amarr Empire
79
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Posted - 2012.02.08 15:58:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: It's also why I've explained that the Mittani's "hate fuels war in 0.0" philosophy, while likely true, is a psychological element that is completely alien to low sec culture. It's also why the plans he repeatedly endorses for linking the FW sovereignty systems with 0.0 sovereignty systems are functionally D.O.A. in terms of being anything that will actually benefit Faction Warfare.
For CCP, linking the two is about laziness when it comes to development time. For The Mittani, it's about making sure if anything breaks, it happens to the FW crowd and not to his players in 0.0 space.
At the summit, CCP suggested testing new capture mechanics on FW; the idea didn't originate with me. There was no discussion of 'linking' the systems as you imply. Stop trying to use me as a boogeyman and mentioning me in every other post, or if you do it, you should at least get the facts straight.
and yet:
CSM Minutes wrote:Some CSMs suggested that FW could be used as a testbed for new capture mechanics, since FW would be smaller scale than nullsec.
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The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2960
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Posted - 2012.02.08 16:04:00 -
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*obsesses on anonymity* *is a npc corp alt* The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
331
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Posted - 2012.02.08 16:09:00 -
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dec-shield candidate lol |

The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2960
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Posted - 2012.02.08 16:11:00 -
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actually kelduum saying that 'people being -10 in hisec should be unable to board ships' on his recent twitter blurb is something both alarming and pathetic The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |

Kelduum Revaan
EVE University Ivy League
1005
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Posted - 2012.02.08 16:58:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:dec-shield candidate lol And yet:
CONCORD wrote:Sicarius.. Declares War Against Ivy League From: CONCORD Sent: 2012.02.08 16:18
Sicarius.. has declared war on Ivy League. Within 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those involved. I wouldn't call that immunity.
Anyway, on a related note, here's an alternative way wardecs could possibly work: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=67445&find=unread Kelduum Revaan CEO, EVE University
Candidate,-áCSM7 |

roigon
Per.ly The 20 Minuters
5
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Posted - 2012.02.08 17:12:00 -
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So you are mr neutral as well as mr "let's put forth a idea that will mostly benefit e-uni".
Now really it's not much of a issue since most voters won't even read these threads, but are you trying to sabotage your own campaign message? Do you perhaps not want to run as CSM but were forced into it and now trying to ruin your chances? |

Kelduum Revaan
EVE University Ivy League
1005
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Posted - 2012.02.08 17:14:00 -
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Yea, apparently I didn't phrase that very well.
In short though -10 sec status people in hisec should have the local police follow and point/web/neut/jam them (depending on sec status of the system), otherwise the low security status becomes a mild inconvenience, rather than something which should be a hinderance.
I have no problem with ganking, piracy or whatever someones chosen method would be to get there, but security status should mean just a little more than it does currently - after all, EVE is about the repercussions. Kelduum Revaan CEO, EVE University
Candidate,-áCSM7 |

The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2973
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Posted - 2012.02.08 17:19:00 -
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Kelduum Revaan wrote:Yea, apparently I didn't phrase that very well. In short though -10 sec status people in hisec should have the local police follow and point/web/neut/jam them (depending on sec status of the system), otherwise the low security status becomes a mild inconvenience, rather than something which should be a hinderance. I have no problem with ganking, piracy or whatever someones chosen method would be to get there, but security status should mean just a little more than it does currently - after all, EVE is about the repercussions.
the faction police does exactly that from the moment you board a ship. did you not know this? The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
164
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Posted - 2012.02.08 17:30:00 -
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What I am looking for a candidate is for them to:
1. support some sort of casual pvp via a contract system 2. enhance WIS 3. upgrade the mission system 4. make PI more like sim city 5. push to open up story lines for jove (possible WH expansion) 6. make FW include pirate missions like (kill so many people in system A) 7. make referendums for important CSM decisionsGÇŞ (if its real important we should all vote for it) this would be for major game changing things such as refocus and such 8. eliminate clone costs for players over 4 years old (to encourage pvp for old vets) 9. gethe fith subsystem for Tech III ships 10. kill all super caps (as in a real counter to them not this crap that I will only fly super caps now so give me back my sp cuss I cant use drones sh*t) 11. a way to integrate PI and ship crews and have an effect on your ships performance
Basically a CSM who represents the old vet casual pve/pvper
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Kelduum Revaan
EVE University Ivy League
1005
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Posted - 2012.02.08 17:34:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:the faction police does exactly that from the moment you board a ship. did you not know this? I'll have to double check as its some time since I tried it, but they take a while to arrive, then either don't point, or they web then point, which is rather silly.
Until I've checked, consider the suggestion rescinded. Kelduum Revaan CEO, EVE University
Candidate,-áCSM7 |

Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
298
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Posted - 2012.02.08 17:49:00 -
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Darn it, Kelduum, what you are supposed to look at is how to avoid Orca maintenance bays being used by outlaw pilots for suicide runs in high sec. Possibly by classifying that allowing an outlaw to use your maintenance bay marks you as aiding the person (makes sense I think) and makes the outlaw flag switch to you.
But in general a whole rewrite of Crime Watch is needed (you should already know what that is), and that would likely take care or make a better option for this issue by itself.
I would like to vote for you, but I am not being impressed here.
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The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2975
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Posted - 2012.02.08 17:49:00 -
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Kelduum Revaan wrote:The Mittani wrote:the faction police does exactly that from the moment you board a ship. did you not know this? I'll have to double check as its some time since I tried it, but they take a while to arrive, then either don't point, or they web then point, which is rather silly. Until I've checked, consider the suggestion rescinded.
it takes about six seconds for them to arrive, they web then point. if they pointed first there'd be no way to escape them though i suppose you could fit a wcs. they also jam, so you need to fit spurs/equivalent racial eccm implants and overheat eccms on your ship. loss is certain, a successful gank is not certain, and profit is usually impossible
the point: until you've ganked in hisec yourself, don't talk about how ganking in hisec works/doesn't work. your idea there seems to be 'ban hulkageddon' and that ain't happening, unless you want to provoke every hisec war/merc corp + every hisec pirate to come crap up your thread
there's nothing wrong with being an eve-uni candidate, you have a big constituency and you should represent them and i expect you to win a seat, just don't opine on things you don't understand
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Deen Wispa
Screaming War Eagles Incorporated
116
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Posted - 2012.02.08 18:14:00 -
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Andrea Griffin wrote:I don't support any Eve-Uni candidate due to their abuse of the wardec mechanics (the Infamous Eve-Uni DecShield).
Actually, it's because of this issue and that it forced CCP to consider fixing hisec wardec mechanics in 2012 that I would consider supporting this candidate.
Had Eve-Uni not taken advantage of the broken mechanics and the publicity brought upon it, CCP would not be considering revising wardec mechanics for 2012. And many of you who complain and moan about how lame hisec wars are would still be moaning without any hope of CCP fixing it.
For years, people moaned and complained about the broken wardec mechanics. For years, CCP ignored it. And finally, someone brought it to light even it meant he was the scapegoat. So as much as some of you hate to admit it, you should actually be thanking Kelduum's for bringing this issue to the forefront.
Having said all of that, I would like to hear more about specific issues that Kelduum will run on before casting a ballot of course. Apparently, once you create a sig. You can't completely delete it. So this is my sig...for now. |

Aetius Saissore
The Corporation of Noble Sentiments Sleeper Social Club
0
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Posted - 2012.02.08 18:19:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Shazzam Vokanavom wrote:Of which PS wishes to make people see this as a move to introduce a consensual system. There is Kelduum's history to back up my interpretations. All you have is wishful thinking. For instance, on the day that CCP allowed corps to set-up multi-corp decshields (E-Uni's is 19 corporations strong), Kelduum let out a cheer on the forums. Kelduum has NEVER liked non-consensual PvP, he feels it is disruptive to the University. Every wardec suggestion he puts forth is to limit the ability of others to force the University into fights it just doesn't want to be part of. The Uni will only be part of PvP on its own terms. That is the mission statement of Kelduum, and that is the unspoken promise he makes to EVE University members. They know he's going to go into the CSM and fight hard for a very particular type of war declaration mechanic, one that keeps the University at peace for exceptionally long periods of time.
Kelduum created the "dec shield" using existing game mechanics allowed by CCP, so what's wrong with that?
Not to mention if someone truly wants real PVP with the uni, you just need to head to their low sec location which has uni's present 23/7. Poetic, some of your losses on your kb prove that you have been there and got sploded by some uni noob.
What? Not satisfied with that, cuz you would rather just gank noobie care bears? Well it just so happens the game mechanics allow you to do that to. Just fit a bunch of cheap destroyers and gank all the uni noobs you want in high sec. |

Twisted Trucker
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.02.08 19:34:00 -
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The Mittani wrote: Stop trying to use me as a boogeyman and mentioning me in every other post, or if you do it, you should at least get the facts straight.
But YOU ARE the boogeyman, Mittens, and every noob/vet and his brother knows it, so why you comin all up in Kelduum's thread and clownin like you ain't ?! |
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