Q: Would you push for a special designation (e.g. training corporation) for EVE University, to exempt them from a war declaration system?

A: Believe it or not, if CCP offered me some kind of 'special designation' tomorrow, I would very likely say no.

Q: What methods would you suggest to CCP for defenders to end wardecs?

A: A moderately expensive structure, which projects a 'bubble of nullsec' around it (and can't be anchored too near anything like gates/belts etc), can optionally be fuelled to increase its EHP, and must be online to keep the war running, but at less cost.

However being in nullsec anyone (for example, mercenaries or even someone who doesn't like the aggressors) could get involved and help kill/repair/defend it, increasing options for interaction between players.

The wardec systems clearly need a rewrite, both eliminate the existing loopholes in them as well as encourage PvP against groups who can/will fight.

I believe the CSM needs an experienced yet neutral voice to help ensure balance and prevent control of the council from moving to push the agendas of any one player group to the detriment of the rest of the player base.

Dedicated awesome EVE player and epic noobie helper. He'll help balancing the hi, low, null, and W-Space traffics and mechanics with his awesome ideas. :)

We'll start off with some of his comments made on the EVE Online forums, specifically where I ask him a few questions.
The answer seems fine on the surface. It is curious he didn't outright say "No," but qualified his answer with a "very likely". I wonder what offer might be made that would change a "very likely no" into a "yes."

Would help if he played in null and WH. Or undocked at all. He didn't even participate in that last arranged 'war' with RvB. And he was online frequently that weekend.

Understanding EVE's null and WH mechanics doesn't need to be involved there

Awesome first massive attack of the race. Congrats

The key question that council members must consider before casting their vote is whether or not the issue at hand has the potential to improve or otherwise benefit the entire EVE society, and not just a select group within the community that was successful in bringing attention to their unique case. Seeing the big pictureGÇöin this case, the needs of a society with over 300.000 individualsGÇöis the primary responsibility of a CSM Representative, and reconciling that view with the interests that won them the election is the greatest challenge they will face in this implementation.

The wardec systems clearly need a rewrite, both eliminate the existing loopholes in them as well as encourage PvP against groups who can/will fight.

Massive attack....? Did I miss something?

Well I kind of see it as big, not sure in the grand scheme of things how big it is.

Just poetic stanza has been going for this guy's balls on his blog. Then on the first day of this gentlemen's post, poetic is coming out strong for the jugular. Its just so savage.

Can you draw blood with a "straw knife" though?

Of which PS wishes to make people see this as a move to introduce a consensual system.

Key part being that he doesn't want to be exempt from the war dec system, ergo, not a consensual preference.

There is Kelduum's history to back up my interpretations. All you have is wishful thinking.

For instance, on the day that CCP allowed corps to set-up multi-corp decshields (E-Uni's is 19 corporations strong), Kelduum let out a cheer on the forums. Kelduum has NEVER liked non-consensual PvP, he feels it is disruptive to the University. Every wardec suggestion he puts forth is to limit the ability of others to force the University into fights it just doesn't want to be part of.

The Uni will only be part of PvP on its own terms. That is the mission statement of Kelduum, and that is the unspoken promise he makes to EVE University members. They know he's going to go into the CSM and fight hard for a very particular type of war declaration mechanic, one that keeps the University at peace for exceptionally long periods of time.

I just play on Kelduum's relationship with CCP strongly . . . Or I take what other Uni's accidentally say and make it into something larger. I connect dots. What I write is true at the basic level . . . , and then magnify it tenfold. Just generally working to trash their rep.

Finally, this may be worth a read, posted by Poetic a few months ago:(source)

Big difference between making things difficult for others to war dec EvE-Uni and a view of wanting sensible consensual war dec mechanics.

As i understand it, EvE Uni have set up a large number of their own alliance corporation members to war dec the Uni on an ongoing basis to make it expensive for anyone external to do so.

This is due to the fact that the majority of new players who are interested in learning the game should be afforded a sensible umbrella and not be exploited by numerous other organisations. Or do others simply want to prey on easy targets less than a week old into their EvE experience? As given what EvE Uni represents it is the "recognised" sensible first step for new players, easpecially when alternative larger corps are mostly inaccesable due to SP requirements.

As such EvE Uni is paying significant sums to afford this umbrella, so hats off to them in doing so. But it is in no way preventative of anyone war deccing them if they really wanted to. Nor does it advocate a consensual PvP model as a result, its simply paying for a significant defence stratergy that seems helpfull for the Uni's purposes.

Its not like they are using a dec shield to simply shirk off wars, or droping members or corp hoping as others do to avoid conflict like most griefers. And personally I think its only griefers who want a lazy time in war deccing new players straight out of boot camp in large numbers that is the problem here. Perhaps this is the real agenda?

"that is the unspoken promise he makes to EVE University members" - or your consistant view of what you want to believe it more like and twist things around because you have a personal beef that a large alliance pays for protection to new players from lazy griefer types like yourself.

To be honest if CCP said to EvE - UNI do you want the status where you can neither start a war or be war decced in return, I'd personally be happy for them to have it as at least it affords a reasonable start for newer players to get used to things in a social environment and at least get some understanding and at least a few skill points under their belt before being exposed to certain harsh realities. The only stipulation would be that members who don't hold an offical office position would require to leave or be placed after a certain period of time, SP points or graduation. (This is "MY" personal take on things however and should not be manipulated as EvE Uni views, before you start)

So in short I think your manipulation of certain views here is reallu unjustified, as I believe them to be in conflict with your need for lazy kill board padding etc. (Moreso relevant when you look at your failure of a KB which unsuprisingly has a history of losses to EvE Uni players, maybe some personal motivation due to failure as a pilot here?).

Needless to say, your points are still speculative. You appear to potentially have an alteria personal motive that might be clouding judgement. I still have to call "straw man" simply based on the kinds of claims you are consistantly fabricating.

A University in the real world does not protect their students. They challenge them, force them to to excel and most importantly, how to think and learn for themselves. That is what the Uni should be doing.

Somewhat off topic (this is CSM stuff really), but I do hope that's what we are already doing in E-UNI, at least to the extent possible in EVE.

If not (and this goes for everyone), drop me an EVEmail with why you think this isn't the case, and I will address any concerns you may have.

dec shield

Big difference between making things difficult for others to war dec EvE-Uni and a view of wanting sensible consensual war dec mechanics.

Despite the DecShield, Mangala Solaris of Red vs Blue contacted us and we recently had a load of fun with them over the weekend, and much explosions were had by all, and if anyone else wants to arrange something similar, let us know.

You appear to potentially have an [ulterior] personal motive that might be clouding judgement.

Arranged, consensual wars and/or 1B ISK war declarations ... this is the FUTURE Kelduum Revaan promises for EVE Online players.

There is no such thing as a SENSIBLE consensual war dec mechanic.

Yeah, protecting the game from a giant, carebear douchebag getting on the CSM.

Hisec elected Trebor in CSM6 and will likely elect both Trebor and Kelduum in CSM7. Usually the hisec reps are 'hey look, a girl on the internet' or someone from Eve-Uni.

Hisec has had no trouble getting reps on past CSMs; barring the Eve-Uni reps (good folks like Deidra Vaal) they have usually been comical and incompetent (Ankh, here's looking at you, kiddo). I'm quite fond of Trebor though, and support both him and Kelduum for CSM7 should they run.

As for your fears of 'carebears' and your obsession with Eve-Uni, if I truly felt that they were spawning weakness and not teaching people how to PvP, I'd just wardec them myself. However, around the time of the dec-shield change, I investigated their practices and Kelduum is running a solid shop with lots of PvP training opportunities - and I expect to see him on CSM7, so get your tinfoil badposts ready.

Somewhat off topic (this is CSM stuff really), but I do hope that's what we are already doing in E-UNI, at least to the extent possible in EVE.

It's also why I've explained that the Mittani's "hate fuels war in 0.0" philosophy, while likely true, is a psychological element that is completely alien to low sec culture. It's also why the plans he repeatedly endorses for linking the FW sovereignty systems with 0.0 sovereignty systems are functionally D.O.A. in terms of being anything that will actually benefit Faction Warfare.

For CCP, linking the two is about laziness when it comes to development time. For The Mittani, it's about making sure if anything breaks, it happens to the FW crowd and not to his players in 0.0 space.

There is no such thing as a SENSIBLE consensual war dec mechanic.

At the summit, CCP suggested testing new capture mechanics on FW; the idea didn't originate with me. There was no discussion of 'linking' the systems as you imply.

Stop trying to use me as a boogeyman and mentioning me in every other post, or if you do it, you should at least get the facts straight.

Q: Do you have any plans to push CCP, if elected, to iterate on lowsec in general?

A: This wonGÇÖt win me friends among the lowsec voter pool, but IGÇÖd prefer CCP to test their ideas for capture mechanics in lowsec/FW before trying to apply a mechanic that doesnGÇÖt work to the much larger nullsec population. Testing mechanics on lowsec is ideal as the player population is low and lowsec hasnGÇÖt gotten love in years; if the mechanic works, itGÇÖs a badly needed boost, and if the mechanic fails then the negative impact across the playerbase as a whole is minimized.

There's nothing there about 'linking' the systems. vOv

At the summit, CCP suggested testing new capture mechanics on FW; the idea didn't originate with me. There was no discussion of 'linking' the systems as you imply.

Stop trying to use me as a boogeyman and mentioning me in every other post, or if you do it, you should at least get the facts straight.

Some CSMs suggested that FW could be used as a testbed for new capture mechanics, since FW would be smaller scale than nullsec.

dec-shield candidate lol

Sicarius.. Declares War Against Ivy League
From: CONCORD
Sent: 2012.02.08 16:18

Sicarius.. has declared war on Ivy League.
Within 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those involved.

actually kelduum saying that 'people being -10 in hisec should be unable to board ships'...

Yea, apparently I didn't phrase that very well.

In short though -10 sec status people in hisec should have the local police follow and point/web/neut/jam them (depending on sec status of the system), otherwise the low security status becomes a mild inconvenience, rather than something which should be a hinderance.

I have no problem with ganking, piracy or whatever someones chosen method would be to get there, but security status should mean just a little more than it does currently - after all, EVE is about the repercussions.

the faction police does exactly that from the moment you board a ship. did you not know this?

I'll have to double check as its some time since I tried it, but they take a while to arrive, then either don't point, or they web then point, which is rather silly.

Until I've checked, consider the suggestion rescinded.

I don't support any Eve-Uni candidate due to their abuse of the wardec mechanics (the Infamous Eve-Uni DecShield).

There is Kelduum's history to back up my interpretations. All you have is wishful thinking.

For instance, on the day that CCP allowed corps to set-up multi-corp decshields (E-Uni's is 19 corporations strong), Kelduum let out a cheer on the forums. Kelduum has NEVER liked non-consensual PvP, he feels it is disruptive to the University. Every wardec suggestion he puts forth is to limit the ability of others to force the University into fights it just doesn't want to be part of.

The Uni will only be part of PvP on its own terms. That is the mission statement of Kelduum, and that is the unspoken promise he makes to EVE University members. They know he's going to go into the CSM and fight hard for a very particular type of war declaration mechanic, one that keeps the University at peace for exceptionally long periods of time.

Stop trying to use me as a boogeyman and mentioning me in every other post, or if you do it, you should at least get the facts straight.

Darn it, Kelduum, what you are supposed to look at is how to avoid Orca maintenance bays being used by outlaw pilots for suicide runs in high sec. Possibly by classifying that allowing an outlaw to use your maintenance bay marks you as aiding the person (makes sense I think) and makes the outlaw flag switch to you.

[quote=Kelduum Revaan]
Low sec combat pilots are a different breed than most. A lot of the militia troops I know actually apologize when they accidently blob a lone enemy - the overwhelming force is so unchallenging we have a "survivor's guilt" sort of complex where we wish we had worked harder for the kill. We pride ourselves on hard-earned kills, plain and simple. It's one of the many mentalities that seperates low sec culture, from null sec culture.

*obsesses on anonymity*
*is a npc corp alt*

Dean Kelduum Revaan,

Several capsuleers, previously Eve University students and professors, have accused you of managing your charter university like a private enterprise, or rather, a corporation. Grave accusations have been levied, such as the use of University InterStellar Kredits to fund your private bid for political power in the CONCORD-supported assembly of the Council of Stellar Management. What do you answer to the allegations?

On a completely unrelated note, in the light of the recent reaffectation of 60% of the Ministry of Education's budget to the Amarr Navy by Empress Jamyl Sarum, how do you expect Eve University to survive without significantly raising tuition costs?

Krios Ahzek, young capsuleer of the Goonswarm Federation

Actually, the desire to speak out without the need to disclose a link to in game character who is vulnerable to harassment and intimidation vs the desire to have ones elected representatives clarify their positions (particularly if they are running for reelection) is not so much of an oxymoron as you would make it out to be.

Seems perfectly rational to me.

fear of video game spaceship intimidation
lol

Post with your real life name and address. None of this pseudo-anonymity of hiding behind your avatar, you coward!

:P

Actually, the desire to speak out without the need to disclose a link to in game character who is vulnerable to harassment and intimidation vs the desire to have ones elected representatives clarify their positions (particularly if they are running for reelection) is not so much of an oxymoron as you would make it out to be.

Seems perfectly rational to me.

is your main eve account 'real life' to you?

I was pointing out the absurdity of you insisting on only one type of pseudo-anonymity as being acceptable.

Low-sec pirates have e-honar! And I have a bridge to sell you in Rancer.

Don't think this is the high sec candidate to get behind somehow...

Hans is the man - Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7

lol
you honeslty think "potential threats to my friends and family" are interchangeable with "potential threats to my virtual spaceships"

fear of video game spaceship intimidation

seek help

What is your position on a 'dislike' button, so terrible gimmick posters may be negrepped into oblivion?

Yea, apparently I didn't phrase that very well.

In short though -10 sec status people in hisec should have the local police follow and point/web/neut/jam them (depending on sec status of the system), otherwise the low security status becomes a mild inconvenience, rather than something which should be a hinderance.

actually kelduum saying that 'people being -10 in hisec should be unable to board ships' on his recent twitter blurb is something both alarming and pathetic

Several capsuleers, previously Eve University students and professors, have accused you of managing your charter university like a private enterprise, or rather, a corporation...

Grave accusations have been levied, such as the use of University InterStellar Kredits to fund your private bid for political power...

On a completely unrelated note, in the light of the recent reaffectation of 60% of the Ministry of Education's budget to the Amarr Navy by Empress Jamyl Sarum, how do you expect Eve University to survive without significantly raising tuition costs?

I'll have to double check as its some time since I tried it, but they take a while to arrive, then either don't point, or they web then point, which is rather silly.

Until I've checked, consider the suggestion rescinded.

2. I would support a rework of the wardec mechanics which would put a little power to end the conflict in the hands of the 'defender', however this should not be without significant cost and/or danger. Similarly, the ability of mercenaries to get involved in ongoing conflicts without the normal warmup timers its something that is sorely missing at the moment.

And yet:

I wouldn't call that immunity.

Anyway, on a related note, here's an alternative way wardecs could possibly work: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=67445&find=unread

actually kelduum saying that 'people being -10 in hisec should be unable to board ships' on his recent twitter blurb is something both alarming and pathetic

Possibly something to stop -10 sec status people from boarding ships in hisec, I don't see anything which needs to be significantly changed from the current situation.

the faction police does exactly that from the moment you board a ship. did you not know this?

After it being suggested for some years now, I've finally decided to run for CSM7.



For those who donGÇÖt know me, I am Kelduum Revaan, CEO of EVE University for the past two years, and director for more than three years before that. For those not familiar with E-UNI, we are the most successful training corp in EVE and one of the few truly autistic groups.

+1 That would sure clean out Goon posts.

My God, I actually "liked" a mittens-post..."Interesting times," in the way the Chinese use the term, wouldn't you say?

Ummmm think about it. It would just as likely allow Goons to censor the forums and control the conversation. They are just as capable of hitting the 'dislike' button.

I oppose player-driven forum post removal for this very reason.

That war dec cost that fellow 1B ISK. Because of the 19 corp decshield you have up.

I think it is really cute that you say that as though it was a major impediment.

Ummmm think about it. It would just as likely allow Goons to censor the forums and control the conversation. They are just as capable of hitting the 'dislike' button.

I oppose player-driven forum post removal for this very reason.

I think you would quickly realize how badly I am hated by my own supposed compatriots.

gimmick

You're also hated by most of the people you're trying to represent. Granted, it has to do with your corp title, and I'm all for getting to know people as individuals and not judging them by what group they belong to.

But seriously, Lyris. You've got your work cut out for you if you want to represent high sec, or low sec.

Calling yourself the "pubbie whisperer" is not going to help. This is not going to be an easy race for any of the 0.0 candidates. You can't just open and be like "hmmmm what do you low sec people want in a candidate?" If you wanted the low sec voted you should have figured what they wanted before you started.

Step up your game, or consider backing someone who is more serious about the job. If you're for the good of the people, and all.

I see what you did there.

Somewhat off topic (this is CSM stuff really), but I do hope that's what we are already doing in E-UNI, at least to the extent possible in EVE.

If not (and this goes for everyone), drop me an EVEmail with why you think this isn't the case, and I will address any concerns you may have.

Hans' posting gimmick is to insist that every other candidate drop their run and support him ~for their own good~, that's like his fifth post to that effect.

I like it!

"pubbie whisperer"

You are the worst

This is a gimmick
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDWKl48sIpA

Not sure if serious.

How does flying with fleets where it is very likely there will be more blackbirds than tackle+dps "challenge your students, making them think for themselves and learn"?

Serious.

Also, you should go check our killboard stuff - most of our PvP tends to be small-gang stuff nowadays, and we're actually very EWAR light these days, despite the Uni logo being a 'black bird'.

Serious.

Also, you should go check our killboard stuff - most of our PvP tends to be small-gang stuff nowadays, and we're actually very EWAR light these days, despite the Uni logo being a 'black bird'.

It doesn't matter that much anyway.

Across the 2.5 years I've been around, we've had that "swarm of BB's" tactic worked around a few times. That seems to be more a "#1 option" to filter out the morons for "quality" wardec's than anything else.

Pretty much any tactic we can use in highsec wars has counter tactics to it and some actually know this. Others seem to always try the same approach and just whine when they can't figure out how to beat one - it *HAS* been beaten a few times and the uni adjusts what it does when this happens.

As for the KB - anyone can see that the uni pretty much always ends up with small gang PvP going on when not at war - with fleet ops every now and again. "Blobs R Us" - the locals in lowsec around Aldrat can attest to the fact that they usually only see "uni blobs" when we're at war. The rest of the time? ... Generally small gang stuff.

It's just the "faildecs" that tend to complain because they can't figure out how to beat it. Maybe an open class... Naw, just kidding. *snicker*

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PS: Good deal on your running.

IMO - CCP could use some recommendations and advice from someone who has shown they can successfully encourage new players to stick around this game.

That's why I said militia, not pirates XD

...EVE Uni needs to lose it's Blackbird crutch in order to provide any meaningful PVP experience to new pilots.

You say that EVE Uni has been getting away from Blackbirds in the past few months, and in that case, great. Keep up the good work...

Ha ha ha I like you. Always following me around in threads. It reminds me of Super Mario Brothers where you get to the end of a level and Bowser flies away in the airship to leave one of his minions to hop around instead.

If I can figure out the best way to stomp on your head three times, will you promise to go away?

It doesn't matter that much anyway.

Across the 2.5 years I've been around, we've had that "swarm of BB's" tactic worked around a few times. That seems to be more a "#1 option" to filter out the morons for "quality" wardec's than anything else.

Pretty much any tactic we can use in highsec wars has counter tactics to it and some actually know this. Others seem to always try the same approach and just whine when they can't figure out how to beat one - it *HAS* been beaten a few times and the uni adjusts what it does when this happens.

As for the KB - anyone can see that the uni pretty much always ends up with small gang PvP going on when not at war - with fleet ops every now and again. "Blobs R Us" - the locals in lowsec around Aldrat can attest to the fact that they usually only see "uni blobs" when we're at war. The rest of the time? ... Generally small gang stuff.

It's just the "faildecs" that tend to complain because they can't figure out how to beat it. Maybe an open class... Naw, just kidding. *snicker*

Thanks. It's actually been closer to the last 1-2 years that we've seen a drop in cheap EWAR usage from the members, probably because its a fair bit faster/easier for a new player to get into a bigger ship with a DD/Logi role now the old learning skill stuff is gone, possibly because the people joining fleets want to help kill things.

Historically we tended to have a large proportion of players with relatively little PvP skills (simply because of the time taken to get them as a new player), and maybe a few older players who had been around a couple of months who were able to deal damage effectively so EWAR was used as a force multiplier while getting the newer players some experience, but now its getting to be the other way around where we sometimes end up being relatively short on tackle.

The issue at hand here is NOT the fact that you can be wardecced in hisec, i think everyone (or most everyone) likes a good fight every now & then and is just fine with that.

The issue actually is how you can easily create a 1 man corp, declare war on a corporation them proceed to sit in a station all day week long, occasionally undocking if there are no war targets in the system.

This is not dangerous to anyone, it's just extremely annoying and stupid, especially for players who are not "l33t PvP-ers" and would rather just get on with their business of manufacturing, trading or whatever else they like to do.
If it's still not clear, the problem is not that these people can't fight, is that there's nothing to fight, they get declared war by 1-2-3 man corps who are just bored/stupid, they can't fight the enemy because the enemy is always docked, and they can't ignore them either because it might just show up to gank that freighter you're moving down to jita or that mining fleet you sent out.

See the difference? War =/= fighting or danger, it too often means just griefing, boredom and stupidity. Now i'm not sure that e-uni's decshield is the right way to handle this, but i am sure that there does need to be some sort of check in place that at least makes it likely that when you declare war on somebody you'll actually go fight.

Question to a CSM runner :

Kelduum Revaan, do you think that wardecs should be only between entities of the (relative) same size ?

... I would take the stance of having CCP fix the "Surrender" mechanic of wars. As it stands now, a defending corp/alliance can surrender, but it does absolutely nothing...

Actually, the 'Surrender' mechanic does work, its just not properly documented anywhere. :CCP:

What actually needs to happen is for a director of the defending corporation (executor in the case of alliances) to be in the same station as the CEO of the attacking corp (again, executor) then select surrender.

That opens a trade window, and once accepted by both sides (with optional items/ISK etc), the war enters the normal 24 hour cooldown listing the defender as having surrendered.

Actually, the 'Surrender' mechanic does work, its just not properly documented anywhere. :CCP:

What actually needs to happen is for a director of the defending corporation (executor in the case of alliances) to be in the same station as the CEO of the attacking corp (again, executor) then select surrender.

That opens a trade window, and once accepted by both sides (with optional items/ISK etc), the war enters the normal 24 hour cooldown listing the defender as having surrendered.

Low sec combat pilots are a different breed than most. A lot of the militia troops I know actually apologize when they accidently blob a lone enemy - the overwhelming force is so unchallenging we have a "survivor's guilt" sort of complex where we wish we had worked harder for the kill. We pride ourselves on hard-earned kills, plain and simple. It's one of the many mentalities that seperates low sec culture, from null sec culture.

... Surrendering has to be mutually agreed upon, which it never is...

Although an incentive (moderately bumped up costs, for example) may be a useful way to promote wars between relatively equal groups, measuring this would be nigh on impossible - inactive accounts, alts, SP in different areas, etc would all make it relatively simple to 'game'.

Anyway, on a related note, here's an alternative way wardecs could possibly work: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=67445&find=unread

I'll just chime in on the whole wardec argument by asking one question I don't see being discussed.

Kelduum, if you need a griefing-free, consensual PvP environment, or if you need to be able to protect your University from attacks for a period of time so you can accomplish an educational goal, why do you not just use the test server for this purpose??

Clearly you want more ways for people to avoid combat. I get that. You need to run your classes in peace, I get that. But the way I see it, there's test server where you have the GM's on your side - if someone griefs you there during class you can get them banned.

Wouldn't it be a whole lot easier to just take advantage of this free, already-functioning resource to help your students, instead of taking the time to invent a complicated Sov structure and create "null sec bubbles" in high sec space to "improve" the wardec system?

Does anyone else besides EvE University feel like we need null bubbles in high sec? I see no reason to bring the mountain to Mohammed, when its much easier to take Mohammed to the mountain. Getting your students on SiSi also teaches them about getting on SiSi, further empowering them to contribute more to the EvE universe in the long run through feedback and experimentation.

I LOVE your dedication to new players, its great. But like I said, your methods, and my methods, for instructing new players are pretty different. I see no benefit to the younger players by reinforcing unfair expectations on Tranquility, when you could teach them so much more by using SiSi for your safety zone, and using Tranquility to teach about survival in a corporation that's in a state of constant war (which will undoubtedly benefit the new players as they move out into the more dangerous parts of the game).

And besides, you'd save both your students and your corporation a lot of isk in the process!

Does anyone else besides EvE University feel like we need null bubbles in high sec?

Let's say I'm running for the CSM, and I'm known for my wardec experience (and for nothing else).

For example, I could make escorts, moving into lowsec, recruting PVP pilots in my alliance, giving tips to my corpmates like running lvl4 missions with several pilots and a pvp fit, etc. It's a sandbox, my only limit is my imagination.

But instead, I'm telling my corpmates to stay docked, with a bunch of rules to "make the wardec very boring for the evil griefers".

I'm using an exploit to limit wardecs, and with time I convinced CCP that it should not be an exploit anymore.

The only highsec pvp I'm willing to do is consensual, only one week and no podding and we can only fight here and here and not here and please don't hit my own POS I want it safe and blabla.

why do you not just use the test server for this purpose??

Finally we have a heavy-weight non-0.0 candidate. Congratulations on passing 100 likes already. I hope Hans Jagerblitzen makes chairman.

You really should know that most PvP pilots in the game (everyone I've talked to in low, and null alike) considers EvE Uni kind of a joke in terms of combat training. I'm not saying that to be mean, its just something you should know, so you can adapt your training program to more closely simulate "realistic" combat situations. If you want to be taken seriously as an educational system, make sure your combat training program is actually respected by real combat pilots. Otherwise, you lead new players into a false sense that they actually are preparing themselves for life beyond high sec.

We currently do all of these things.
We stopped doing this around four months ago.

I'd like to clarify that we didn't make us of any exploits until they were no longer deemed exploits by CCP. Personally I'm not a fan of the decshield, but likewise I have no issue with making the most of opportunities presented to you. If the wardec system is overhauled and decshields either become irrelevant or illegal, then we'll stop using one.

I'll assume that you're referring to our recent PvP events with RvB here, events that were not "wars" in the traditional sense but aimed at having some fun.

And in 4 months, tell me how many non-consensual wardecs you got ? 2 ?

This is a lie. EVEuni used a decshield before the current one, got petitionned a few times, and a GM told you to stop using it (which you did). You can spin it like you want, but the fact remains that you used an exploit (even if you [or even CCP] didn't know it was one).

No, I was talking about the previous consensual wardec too (with Noir. and the Orphants ? Not sure) when your POS were hit and you cried a lot, begging them to stop.

Kelduum the glorious may not have all the answers but I think the CSM needs some balance. I'm tired of all the nullsec whiners on the CSM...vote hisec, vote now.

Just pointing another error that wasnt seen :

So, a few days ago I helped saving a tower (as a mercenary). I docked in the system, joined the corp, warped to the evil pilots and ganked them. "Warm up timers" ? 30s, and that's only because I didnt want to use an exploit.
It's a good thing that you're willing to deal with the wardec problem, because atm it's really ******. But dude, you made the dec shield. Your ideas will just make something even worst and exploitable.

Just to clarify a few things about the University as it seems some out of date information is being held against Kelduum:

(lots of stuff snipped)

The University as it stands now is a very different beast to that of a year ago. Kelduum has been absolutely integral to these reforms and I'm personally very excited about where the future will take us should he get a seat on the CSM.

Cheers.

Wow, after his smack-down by The Mittani, Kelduum has decided to let his directors speak for him? Curious. So is Kelduum running, or is EVE University running for a CSM seat? Is EVE University representing all players too?

Or is Kelduum's new strategy simply to sit back, be silent, and hope the 1500 EVE University members can vote him into a CSM seat?

Seriously, though, Darian. I love you, man ... but why are you doing all of the responding for Kelduum?

So what you're saying is that nobody else but kelduum is allowed to stand up for him?

In his own campaign thread ... and one of his directors, on top of that ... I think Kelduum should stand up for himself ... no need to call in little brother and sister for the sibling defense.

The rest of us ...

Finally we have a heavy-weight non-0.0 candidate. Congratulations on passing 100 likes already. I hope you make chairman.

His only agenda is a better EVE for ALL of us.

This is the biggest bullshit i have every read.

Every candidate would sign that pledge!

Why does Kelduum avoid having stances on the issues?

Wow, after his smack-down by The Mittani, Kelduum has decided to let his directors speak for him? Curious. So is Kelduum running, or is EVE University running for a CSM seat? Is EVE University representing all players too?

Or is Kelduum's new strategy simply to sit back, be silent, and hope the 1500 EVE University members can vote him into a CSM seat?

Seriously, though, Darian. I love you, man ... but why are you doing all of the responding for Kelduum?

Wow. The GMs are really helping out Kelduum here. Deleting more posts overnight. CCP inserting itself into the campaign race?

They even deleted a couple posts wondering why E-Uni directors (Kelduum's helpers/employees/underlings) have replaced Kelduum as response-givers in this thread.

In his own campaign thread, Kelduum no longer responds. He's given that task to the University heirarchy.

What a candidate!

Everyone knows your real purpose ...

My purpose is twofold. First, for everyone to see what terrible ideas Kelduum would bring with him to the CSM. Mittani has pointed one of them out in this thread. Kelduum has created a thread for his terrible ideas over on the Features forum.

Second, to point out that he doesn't represent EVERYBODY, but rather the interests of only EVE University. It's fine if he wants to represent the E-Uni, but he should be honest about it. Stop pretending that he represents anybody at all, except for his corporation.

Hisec elected Trebor in CSM6 and will likely elect both Trebor and Kelduum in CSM7. Usually the hisec reps are 'hey look, a girl on the internet' or someone from Eve-Uni.

Hisec has had no trouble getting reps on past CSMs; barring the Eve-Uni reps (good folks like Deidra Vaal) they have usually been comical and incompetent (Ankh, here's looking at you, kiddo). I'm quite fond of Trebor though, and support both him and Kelduum for CSM7 should they run.

As for your fears of 'carebears' and your obsession with Eve-Uni, if I truly felt that they were spawning weakness and not teaching people how to PvP, I'd just wardec them myself. However, around the time of the dec-shield change, I investigated their practices and Kelduum is running a solid shop with lots of PvP training opportunities - and I expect to see him on CSM7, so get your tinfoil badposts ready.

Kelduum Revaan,

I would like to direct your attention to this thread, where I invite you to engage me in debate.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=67950&find=unread
Thank you in advance!

My purpose is twofold. First, for everyone to see what terrible ideas Kelduum would bring with him to the CSM. Mittani has pointed one of them out in this thread. Kelduum has created a thread for his terrible ideas over on the Features forum.

Second, to point out that he doesn't represent EVERYBODY, but rather the interests of only EVE University. It's fine if he wants to represent the E-Uni, but he should be honest about it. Stop pretending that he represents anybody at all, except for his corporation.

don't opine on things you don't understand

Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned
Nor hell a fury like a woman scorned.

Challenge accepted!


On the subject of potential moderation, there's a possibility that some questions may have been 'mislaid' in the cleanups, so I'll check eve-search for them and address them later today, but keeping discussions on topic may be a good idea.

Also, I was starting to think that Poetic here had been banned from the forums for a while as the thread went a few hours without a post from him...

Stay on topic

In his own campaign thread, Kelduum no longer responds. He's given that task to the University heirarchy.

What a candidate!

[b]Kreul Intentions

The key question that council members must consider before casting their vote is whether or not the issue at hand has the potential to improve or otherwise benefit the entire EVE society, and not just a select group within the community that was successful in bringing attention to their unique case. Seeing the big pictureGÇöin this case, the needs of a society with over 300.000 individualsGÇöis the primary responsibility of a CSM Representative, and reconciling that view with the interests that won them the election is the greatest challenge they will face in this implementation.

I certainly wouldn't call Poetic 'one of my people'. He was removed from the Uni back in August for being a huge attention 'seeker', and has publicly stated he is more interested in hyperbole rather than facts, so is now the official EVE University stalker.

I fully support Kelduum here.

I fully support Kelduum here.

However I do wonder how Poetic Stanziel just keeps on going with his regular nonsense and his general anti E-UNI attitude.

EDIT: + he is an obvious trolling journalist wannabe

I fully support Kelduum here.

However I do wonder how Poetic Stanziel just keeps on going with his regular nonsense and his general anti E-UNI attitude.

EDIT: + he is an obvious trolling journalist wannabe

E-Uni cheerleading.

Why should we believe you when you say your are for non consensual PVP and still use a 19 Corp strong dec-shield-ally to protect yourself from pesky people who want to noncon-pvp with you? arent you preaching one thing and doing another?


Also doesnt your proposal for a structure gind directly benefit one of the largest (memberwise) highsec alliances? Why do you want to introduce nullsec elements into highsec? Should a allianc who doesnt like to get wardeced just go into low/null and provide their own security?

Which director is your main?

Hell no.

Eve Uni is JUST ANOTHER CORP/ALLIANCE

Their direction is about teaching noobs. That is fine. Other corps focus on pvp or living in a wormhole. Other focus on incursions or missions. Some ever mine. A person signs up to a corp because it offers them something they wish to share in.

At the end of the day though, what makes Eve unique and therefore "EvE" is that everyone has to play by the same set of rules. The uni can field low sec roam blobs like few else can due to their size. They should be able to steamrole by weight of numbers. However that requires ORGANISATION and leadership, the same as any other corp requires to survive a PvP engagement in Eve.

Will they lose the odd ship to 2 man war deccers? Yes. But so what - it will teach the noob far more then living in a bubble ever will.

A University in the real world does not protect their students. They challenge them, force them to to excel and most importantly, how to think and learn for themselves. That is what the Uni should be doing.

No offense at your English failure, Kelduum ... but hyperbole isn't a thing on its own. There aren't facts and then hyperbole. Hyperbole is an exaggeration. An exaggeration of SOMETHING. In the case of my attacks on your message, the times when I do utilize hperbole (and I don't always do so), I am hyperbolizing your message.

I hyperbolize truths (you say something, I then quote you, and then supply my commentary and analysis of what you've said.) Lots of organizations do that. It can be called marketing and/or advertising and/or campaigning. I don't just throw fake words into your mouth. I use what you say, and I use them to feed into my message.

In the spirit of EvE Uni and the advancement of education the following video is not a lecture endorsed by EvE Uni but seeks to give an understanding to the fanatical calumnies being brought from "straw man" ideals.

Unfortunatley to endorse objective freedom of expression I have to sympathise with Kelduum for having to tolerate certain influences being an attempt at unfounded villification.

I do however applaud this stance as an exercise of patience where others would simply be abhorrently dismissive. Not that I'm advocating a need to "suffer fools gladly" of course.

No offense at your English failure, Kelduum ... but hyperbole isn't a thing on its own. There aren't facts and then hyperbole. Hyperbole is an exaggeration. An exaggeration of SOMETHING. In the case of my attacks on your message, the times when I do utilize hperbole (and I don't always do so), I am hyperbolizing your message.

Which director is your main?

The Dec shield is a perfectly legitimate use of the games mechanics. You have to understand also, that unlike other corporations, the uni has strict rules for wartime conduct. For example. Uni doesn't use out of corp reppers, which, before the changes made them shootable, were basically untouchable, and many corporations that decked the uni were using those. Along with playing docking games and a lot of the other BS that goes on during "war". Such as decing the uni and then hiding in a station the full war halfway accross the stars. All the decshield really does, is make sure that you don't get the disgruntled people just wardeccing for **** and giggles. The idea is that if you're willing to fork out the iskies for the wardec, then you'll be willing to actually show up and fight.

So you are just saying "you have to pay a prohibitiv amout of isk to wardec us" and if one wardecs you, you just turtle up to let them bleed isk? Sounds like creative use of game mechanics to dodge wardecs to me.

So you are just saying "you have to pay a prohibitiv amout of isk to wardec us" and if one wardecs you, you just turtle up to let them bleed isk? Sounds like creative use of game mechanics to dodge wardecs to me.

And you did not adress the 2nd part of my question

My purpose is twofold. First, for everyone to see what terrible ideas Kelduum would bring with him to the CSM. Mittani has pointed one of them out in this thread. Kelduum has created a thread for his terrible ideas over on the Features forum.

Second, to point out that he doesn't represent EVERYBODY, but rather the interests of only EVE University. It's fine if he wants to represent the E-Uni, but he should be honest about it. Stop pretending that he represents anybody at all, except for his corporation.

Of course you do ... the only experience you have in this game is the Uni.