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Vae Abeo
EVE University Ivy League
8
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Posted - 2012.02.11 07:19:00 -
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Joha M'raadu wrote:I fully support Kelduum here.
However I do wonder how Poetic Stanziel just keeps on going with his regular nonsense and his general anti E-UNI attitude.
EDIT: + he is an obvious trolling journalist wannabe
I also fully support Kelduum. Like the Uni or not I've never met a person who has had a negative experience interacting with the Uni. Furthermore, almost all corps I've seen direct newer players to the Uni to help with the learning curve the game. Sure you could possibly learn the skills elsewhere but I truthfully feel the Uni has saved tons of subscriptions (mine included), so having a CSM with experience on integrating "newer" players into Eve with direction on how to help keep them subscribing would be a valuable and much needed asset. |

Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
727
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Posted - 2012.02.11 07:24:00 -
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Juicy Chanlin wrote:E-Uni cheerleading. Which director is your main?
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Juicy Chanlin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.02.11 07:29:00 -
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testobjekt wrote:Why should we believe you when you say your are for non consensual PVP and still use a 19 Corp strong dec-shield-ally to protect yourself from pesky people who want to noncon-pvp with you? arent you preaching one thing and doing another?
Also doesnt your proposal for a structure gind directly benefit one of the largest (memberwise) highsec alliances? Why do you want to introduce nullsec elements into highsec? Should a allianc who doesnt like to get wardeced just go into low/null and provide their own security?
The Dec shield is a perfectly legitimate use of the games mechanics. You have to understand also, that unlike other corporations, the uni has strict rules for wartime conduct. For example. Uni doesn't use out of corp reppers, which, before the changes made them shootable, were basically untouchable, and many corporations that decked the uni were using those. Along with playing docking games and a lot of the other BS that goes on during "war". Such as decing the uni and then hiding in a station the full war halfway accross the stars. All the decshield really does, is make sure that you don't get the disgruntled people just wardeccing for **** and giggles. The idea is that if you're willing to fork out the iskies for the wardec, then you'll be willing to actually show up and fight. |

Juicy Chanlin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.02.11 07:30:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Juicy Chanlin wrote:E-Uni cheerleading. Which director is your main?
neither.. not in the uni.. |

Hybrid Zulu
EVE University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2012.02.11 08:54:00 -
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Har Harrison wrote:Shazzam Vokanavom wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Shazzam Vokanavom wrote:Of which PS wishes to make people see this as a move to introduce a consensual system. There is Kelduum's history to back up my interpretations. All you have is wishful thinking. For instance, on the day that CCP allowed corps to set-up multi-corp decshields (E-Uni's is 19 corporations strong), Kelduum let out a cheer on the forums. Kelduum has NEVER liked non-consensual PvP, he feels it is disruptive to the University. Every wardec suggestion he puts forth is to limit the ability of others to force the University into fights it just doesn't want to be part of. The Uni will only be part of PvP on its own terms. That is the mission statement of Kelduum, and that is the unspoken promise he makes to EVE University members. They know he's going to go into the CSM and fight hard for a very particular type of war declaration mechanic, one that keeps the University at peace for exceptionally long periods of time. Big difference between making things difficult for others to war dec EvE-Uni and a view of wanting sensible consensual war dec mechanics. As i understand it, EvE Uni have set up a large number of their own alliance corporation members to war dec the Uni on an ongoing basis to make it expensive for anyone external to do so. This is due to the fact that the majority of new players who are interested in learning the game should be afforded a sensible umbrella and not be exploited by numerous other organisations. Or do others simply want to prey on easy targets less than a week old into their EvE experience? As given what EvE Uni represents it is the "recognised" sensible first step for new players, easpecially when alternative larger corps are mostly inaccesable due to SP requirements. As such EvE Uni is paying significant sums to afford this umbrella, so hats off to them in doing so. But it is in no way preventative of anyone war deccing them if they really wanted to. Nor does it advocate a consensual PvP model as a result, its simply paying for a significant defence stratergy that seems helpfull for the Uni's purposes. Its not like they are using a dec shield to simply shirk off wars, or droping members or corp hoping as others do to avoid conflict like most griefers. And personally I think its only griefers who want a lazy time in war deccing new players straight out of boot camp in large numbers that is the problem here. Perhaps this is the real agenda? "that is the unspoken promise he makes to EVE University members" - or your consistant view of what you want to believe it more like and twist things around because you have a personal beef that a large alliance pays for protection to new players from lazy griefer types like yourself. To be honest if CCP said to EvE - UNI do you want the status where you can neither start a war or be war decced in return, I'd personally be happy for them to have it as at least it affords a reasonable start for newer players to get used to things in a social environment and at least get some understanding and at least a few skill points under their belt before being exposed to certain harsh realities. The only stipulation would be that members who don't hold an offical office position would require to leave or be placed after a certain period of time, SP points or graduation. (This is "MY" personal take on things however and should not be manipulated as EvE Uni views, before you start) So in short I think your manipulation of certain views here is reallu unjustified, as I believe them to be in conflict with your need for lazy kill board padding etc. (Moreso relevant when you look at your failure of a KB which unsuprisingly has a history of losses to EvE Uni players, maybe some personal motivation due to failure as a pilot here?). Needless to say, your points are still speculative. You appear to potentially have an alteria personal motive that might be clouding judgement. I still have to call "straw man" simply based on the kinds of claims you are consistantly fabricating. Hell no. Eve Uni is JUST ANOTHER CORP/ALLIANCE Their direction is about teaching noobs. That is fine. Other corps focus on pvp or living in a wormhole. Other focus on incursions or missions. Some ever mine. A person signs up to a corp because it offers them something they wish to share in. At the end of the day though, what makes Eve unique and therefore "EvE" is that everyone has to play by the same set of rules. The uni can field low sec roam blobs like few else can due to their size. They should be able to steamrole by weight of numbers. However that requires ORGANISATION and leadership, the same as any other corp requires to survive a PvP engagement in Eve. Will they lose the odd ship to 2 man war deccers? Yes. But so what - it will teach the noob far more then living in a bubble ever will. A University in the real world does not protect their students. They challenge them, force them to to excel and most importantly, how to think and learn for themselves. That is what the Uni should be doing. '
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Shazzam Vokanavom
Hedion University Amarr Empire
96
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Posted - 2012.02.11 09:53:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Kelduum Revaan wrote:I certainly wouldn't call Poetic 'one of my people'. He was removed from the Uni back in August for being a huge attention 'seeker', and has publicly stated he is more interested in hyperbole rather than facts, so is now the official EVE University stalker. No offense at your English failure, Kelduum ... but hyperbole isn't a thing on its own. There aren't facts and then hyperbole. Hyperbole is an exaggeration. An exaggeration of SOMETHING. In the case of my attacks on your message, the times when I do utilize hperbole (and I don't always do so), I am hyperbolizing your message. I hyperbolize truths (you say something, I then quote you, and then supply my commentary and analysis of what you've said.) Lots of organizations do that. It can be called marketing and/or advertising and/or campaigning. I don't just throw fake words into your mouth. I use what you say, and I use them to feed into my message.
In the spirit of EvE Uni and the advancement of education the following video is not a lecture endorsed by EvE Uni but seeks to give an understanding to the fanatical calumnies being brought from "straw man" ideals.
Unfortunatley to endorse objective freedom of expression I have to sympathise with Kelduum for having to tolerate certain influences being an attempt at unfounded villification.
I do however applaud this stance as an exercise of patience where others would simply be abhorrently dismissive. Not that I'm advocating a need to "suffer fools gladly" of course. |

Caldari Citizen 786478786
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
57
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Posted - 2012.02.11 13:00:00 -
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Shazzam Vokanavom wrote:In the spirit of EvE Uni and the advancement of education the following video is not a lecture endorsed by EvE Uni but seeks to give an understanding to the fanatical calumnies being brought from " straw man" ideals. Unfortunatley to endorse objective freedom of expression I have to sympathise with Kelduum for having to tolerate certain influences being an attempt at unfounded villification. I do however applaud this stance as an exercise of patience where others would simply be abhorrently dismissive. Not that I'm advocating a need to "suffer fools gladly" of course.
Your attempt to school Poetic is commendable, to say the least. However, it's clear from his incessant stalking, his Eve University fanboyism and his repeated lies (including his well-documented use of sock-puppets on these and the Eve-U forums) that he has no intent to cease his hugging of Eve University's collective nuts.
His stalking got old around the time he was forcibly removed from Eve University and permanently banned from their forums for what most reasonable individuals would describe as an unhealthy obsession with grandstanding and whining in public. It's one thing to have an opinion about how a CEO should run his Corporation, but it's an entirely different thing to publicly and repeatedly call that person out for not implementing your ideas. |

Geertruida Zelle
Quantum Wake Enemy-Fleet
12
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Posted - 2012.02.11 15:06:00 -
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Dear Mr Revaan
I find the difference between this thread and that of the King of Space very interesting.
Does it vex you that people are actually asking you questions and debating rather than engaging in blatant sycophancy? I suppose it shows that the cult of personality never works for nice people.
Good luck in your campaign, I was truly torn between voting for you, my esteemed ex-ceo, but as every girl knows, a hard man is good to find. 
GZ
PS. Miss Stanzi, have you reached puberty yet? You certainly are a late developer. |

Shedemei Silfar
EVE University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2012.02.11 15:16:00 -
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Quote:No offense at your English failure, Kelduum ... but hyperbole isn't a thing on its own. There aren't facts and then hyperbole. Hyperbole is an exaggeration. An exaggeration of SOMETHING. In the case of my attacks on your message, the times when I do utilize hperbole (and I don't always do so), I am hyperbolizing your message.
ahhh how typical... when all other means of trolling fails, break out the grammar correction. I'm guessing the real reason you're upset is that rabid mouth-foaming trolls are not tolerated in the Uni. Please keep posting, so that people are truly clear on just how desperate you are. and by the way, you mispelled hyperbole 
I think Kelduum has been very forthcoming about exactly what his positions are and what he will bring to the table. I value honesty and integrity highly in any representative position, and his track record with the Uni speaks for itself. |

Azmodeus Valar
EVE University Ivy League
8
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Posted - 2012.02.11 15:31:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Juicy Chanlin wrote:E-Uni cheerleading. Which director is your main?
My favorite part of this is that he instantly assumes this person is a director alt. Because directors definitely have enough time to use alts to troll forums, and of course, no one else in a large corp (or any of the ex-members) would find it amusing to do this.
The eve community is known for being so forthright and honest. It could only be one of those horrible Uni directors who would create an alt and respond...... |
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testobjekt
Creative Accounting Institute
4
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Posted - 2012.02.11 15:55:00 -
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Juicy Chanlin wrote:testobjekt wrote:Why should we believe you when you say your are for non consensual PVP and still use a 19 Corp strong dec-shield-ally to protect yourself from pesky people who want to noncon-pvp with you? arent you preaching one thing and doing another?
Also doesnt your proposal for a structure gind directly benefit one of the largest (memberwise) highsec alliances? Why do you want to introduce nullsec elements into highsec? Should a allianc who doesnt like to get wardeced just go into low/null and provide their own security? The Dec shield is a perfectly legitimate use of the games mechanics. You have to understand also, that unlike other corporations, the uni has strict rules for wartime conduct. For example. Uni doesn't use out of corp reppers, which, before the changes made them shootable, were basically untouchable, and many corporations that decked the uni were using those. Along with playing docking games and a lot of the other BS that goes on during "war". Such as decing the uni and then hiding in a station the full war halfway accross the stars. All the decshield really does, is make sure that you don't get the disgruntled people just wardeccing for **** and giggles. The idea is that if you're willing to fork out the iskies for the wardec, then you'll be willing to actually show up and fight.
So you are just saying "you have to pay a prohibitiv amout of isk to wardec us" and if one wardecs you, you just turtle up to let them bleed isk? Sounds like creative use of game mechanics to dodge wardecs to me.
And you did not adress the 2nd part of my question |

Shazzam Vokanavom
Hedion University Amarr Empire
107
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Posted - 2012.02.11 16:04:00 -
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testobjekt wrote:So you are just saying "you have to pay a prohibitiv amout of isk to wardec us" and if one wardecs you, you just turtle up to let them bleed isk? Sounds like creative use of game mechanics to dodge wardecs to me.
What part of "sandbox" in this valid use of a war mechnic upsets you? Or is it that if something is hard as a result you simply wish to nerf it for your own convenience? |

Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
170
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Posted - 2012.02.11 16:10:00 -
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testobjekt wrote:So you are just saying "you have to pay a prohibitiv amout of isk to wardec us" and if one wardecs you, you just turtle up to let them bleed isk? Sounds like creative use of game mechanics to dodge wardecs to me.
And you did not adress the 2nd part of my question Prohibitive amount of isk to who, exactly? I could literally war-dec the Uni myself for 13 weeks straight, just on the isk i have on various accounts. Why is 1 Billion isk alot, especially for a multi-player corporation? (I.E. - not a single player and a bunch of alts).
Besides, (from my time in the Uni, and hearing from others more recently) most people war-dec the uni, then don't show up, or show up then turtle up the first time they see a uni fleet.
Well wtf dumbasses?!?
You dec a large corp, expect a large number of people flying at you (that is so stupid/obvious it brain hurts me when people complain about how the Uni prosecutes wars).
As for the 2nd part of your question, it was answered earlier in the thread - if Keld wanted the Uni to be "immune" - everyone would stay in NPC corps, and the uni would exist as soley chat channels, wiki's, and lessons, without all the bother of being a corp (i.e. - dec'able) at all. So, immunity is demonstrably *NOT* the goal - but you know that, don't you?
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Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
170
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Posted - 2012.02.11 16:14:00 -
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I've stayed out of this since the beginning just to see where it went - Eve-Search is a godsend (but I'm not going to drag up any of the deleted posts. 
(this should have been posted first - but mr. (dense) objekt needed a rebuttal).
Poetic Stanziel wrote:My purpose is twofold. First, for everyone to see what terrible ideas Kelduum would bring with him to the CSM. Mittani has pointed one of them out in this thread. Kelduum has created a thread for his terrible ideas over on the Features forum. Second, to point out that he doesn't represent EVERYBODY, but rather the interests of only EVE University. It's fine if he wants to represent the E-Uni, but he should be honest about it. Stop pretending that he represents anybody at all, except for his corporation.
A) - Like all the major players on the CSM don't work to advance their corp/alliance/self-interests (Mittens even posted earlier in another thread that *he* doesn't rep all the players, just those who voted for him, in spite of the CCP mandate for the CSM - and he has *NOT* done a bad job).
B) - Yeah, a guy who runs an organization that teaches exposure to all aspects of the game, isn't going to have interests in all aspects of the game (i.e. - everybody).
Poetic Stanziel wrote:Joha M'raadu wrote:I fully support Kelduum here. Of course you do ... the only experience you have in this game is the Uni. I fully support Keld here as well (with one of my votes).
I was in the Uni then moved to Adhocracy Inc. (low-sec, then Wormhole daytrippers, then moved into a Wormholes full time). Then The Bastards - Greatest group of pirates in Eve!, Then to Agony Unleashed - "for something completly different"! ,then back to ADHC.
Gonna tell me my only experience is in the Uni? 
I've heard E-U described in a lot of ways, but the one that stuck with me the best is:
"Eve is a game dedicated to "azzhats", congregating with other "AH's" to make larger groups of "AH's", to fight other large groups of "AH's", to see who can be the biggest "AH's" in Eve. And Eve-Uni is running a charity" - or words to that effect.
People stay in Eve who would have otherwise left (for whatever reason) [including me] except for the one thing that E-U provides that very few other corps/alliances (with a few notable exceptions) provide; a community to belong to. Coming from other games, and not being associated with any other established "groups" (SA / REDDIT - for example) - the fact that you find yourself "under the colors" with a bunch of people who are (relatively) as new to the game as you, allows for the building of relationships that keep people playing for years.
E-U has alumni all over New Eden, from 0.0, to low-sec, to hi-sec to (the most important area of space) Wormholes. If *all* E-U taught was "zomg - run away/dock" then I doubt that diaspora would have taken people as far away as it has... Then again, as in everything in Eve, it's the players who make the game, so it's almost inconceivable that spread of players wouldn't happen.
To put it another way; it really doesn't matter what the uni's rules are, or how they teach pvp - whats more important is the friendships / bonds that are made there, that carry on to all the other parts of Eve, i.e. - the players who make eve what it is.
testobjekt wrote:Why should we believe you when you say your are for non consensual PVP and still use a 19 Corp strong dec-shield-ally to protect yourself from pesky people who want to noncon-pvp with you? arent you preaching one thing and doing another?
Also doesnt your proposal for a structure gind directly benefit one of the largest (memberwise) highsec alliances? Why do you want to introduce nullsec elements into highsec? Should a allianc who doesnt like to get wardeced just go into low/null and provide their own security? See Kelds answer below, and my reply in the post above.
Kelduum Revaan wrote:Do you want to abolish non-consentual pvp? No, not at all (if I wanted to do that, I would be playing EVE on Sisi), despite what one specific person would like you to think. EVE is all about the non-consensual PvP, be it the obvious stuff (hisec wars, losec, ganks, griefing, and so on) or the less obvious (scams, market, mining someone else's 'roids, etc).
Keld will (probably) do a good job on the CSM, and can't do any worse than the people who got elected, then faded away.
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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
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Posted - 2012.02.11 17:04:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:I've stayed out of this since the beginning just to see where it went - Eve-Search is a godsend (but I'm not going to drag up any of the deleted posts.  (this should have been posted first - but mr. (dense) objekt needed a rebuttal). Poetic Stanziel wrote:My purpose is twofold. First, for everyone to see what terrible ideas Kelduum would bring with him to the CSM. Mittani has pointed one of them out in this thread. Kelduum has created a thread for his terrible ideas over on the Features forum. Second, to point out that he doesn't represent EVERYBODY, but rather the interests of only EVE University. It's fine if he wants to represent the E-Uni, but he should be honest about it. Stop pretending that he represents anybody at all, except for his corporation. A) - Like all the major players on the CSM don't work to advance their corp/alliance/self-interests (Mittens even posted earlier in another thread that *he* doesn't rep all the players, just those who voted for him, in spite of the CCP mandate for the CSM - and he has *NOT* done a bad job). B) - Yeah, a guy who runs an organization that teaches exposure to all aspects of the game, isn't going to have interests in all aspects of the game (i.e. - everybody).
a) If you read what I wrote, here and other places, I said that it is cool if he wants to represent a small/single interest. I think it's uncool to pretend he represents everyone, and then push forward ideas and agendas that obviously only represent/help his E-Uni organization.
b) The guy who runs the "teaching" organization doesn't even play the game, except in station and through the corp interface. He was smacked down by The Mittani earlier in this thread for pushing forward ideas for changes on mechanics he was entirely unfamiliar with. This guy engenders a tonne of confidence as he pushes forward more agendas on a disparate platform of interests.
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Jensk
The Red Circle Inc.
3
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Posted - 2012.02.11 17:08:00 -
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Tip o' the hat to you, Keld.
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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
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Posted - 2012.02.11 17:09:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:Keld will (probably) do a good job on the CSM, and can't do any worse than the people who got elected, then faded away. He will be ridiculed and marginalized the moment he puts forward an idea on a mechanic he doesn't really understand. Not too mention his ideas on PvP and his Capture The Flag wardec system. He's going to get laughed/berated off Skype.
He'll truly be a terrible CSM candidate.
Vote Hans Jagerblitzen. This dude understands CONFLICT. Kelduum understands only the marginalization of conflict.
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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
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Posted - 2012.02.11 17:13:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:I fully support Keld here as well (with one of my votes). Really?
You actually support this idea, in its entirety? This is what you would like to see implemented in EVE Online? A vote for Kelduum, after all, is a vote for that garbage.
The difference between you supporting Keld and the couple others I called out in this thread, is that they don't know any better. The only game they know is the sweet, gentle, carebear world of EVE University. You, Asuri, should know better. The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks |

Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
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Posted - 2012.02.11 17:20:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:If Keld wanted the Uni to be "immune" - everyone would stay in NPC corps, and the uni would exist as soley chat channels, wiki's, and lessons, without all the bother of being a corp (i.e. - dec'able) at all. Come on. You're a smart, girl. You know that to be a FAKE argument that Kelduum puts forth to pretend that the University likes conflict and wants to 100% be part of the sandbox. That's why he came up with his wardec capture the flag system that favours a corp, like the Uni (how odd!), actually ending wars before they start. Because you know, they love conflict so much. The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks |

Shazzam Vokanavom
Hedion University Amarr Empire
108
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Posted - 2012.02.11 17:32:00 -
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So I see the level of discursive capability by PS has adjusted from "straw man" down to "argumentum ad nauseam" now. |
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Darian Reymont
EVE University Ivy League
68
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Posted - 2012.02.11 18:17:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:He'll truly be a terrible CSM candidate. Actually he'll truly be an outstanding CSM candidate.  Director of Human Resources EVE University http://www.eveuniversity.org |

Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
183
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Posted - 2012.02.11 19:04:00 -
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NOTE: :CCP: - your forum software ate two of my posts... so now I'm doing it this way...
Poetic Stanziel wrote: a) If you read what I wrote, here and other places, I said that it is cool if he wants to represent a small/single interest. I think it's uncool to pretend he represents everyone, and then push forward ideas and agendas that obviously only represent/help his E-Uni organization.
b) The guy who runs the "teaching" organization doesn't even play the game, except in station and through the corp interface. He was smacked down by The Mittani earlier in this thread for pushing forward ideas for changes on mechanics he was entirely unfamiliar with. This guy engenders a tonne of confidence as he pushes forward more agendas on a disparate platform of interests.
I have read your posts, here and elsewhere. Your stated goal is to trash the Uni's reputation. Period, full stop.
Keld made a mistake, and admitted it. You "Perfect Stanziel"?
Keld has flat out stated (in this thread) that he support non-consensual pvp. Crazy ideas (even bad ones) often engender discussion.
Not unlike your rabid uni/keld bashing has....
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Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
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Posted - 2012.02.11 19:07:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:He will be ridiculed and marginalized the moment he puts forward an idea on a mechanic he doesn't really understand. Not too mention his ideas on PvP and his Capture The Flag wardec system. He's going to get laughed/berated off Skype.
He'll truly be a terrible CSM candidate.
Kelduum understands only the marginalization of conflict. Horse puckey. The 0.0 reps weren't "marginalized" when they "realized" that WH's have A, B, C ores... Neither will Keld (or anyone else for that matter, with the possible exception of Ahnk... ).
I imagine that "the chairman" and the rest of the sitting CSM recognize the value of helping each other/building relationships. Something they get (that it seems you don't) is that guiding/helping someone with something the aren't 100% familiar with gains you an ally, whereas "ridiculing" will only gain you an opponent at best...
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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
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Posted - 2012.02.11 19:11:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:The 0.0 reps weren't "marginalized" when they "realized" that WH's have A, B, C ores... The 0.0 reps were going to marginalize themselves? 
The Circle of Seven will marginalize Kelduum the moment he introduces his Capture the Flag idea to CCP.
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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
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Posted - 2012.02.11 19:12:00 -
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Darian Reymont wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:He'll truly be a terrible CSM candidate. Actually he'll truly be an outstanding CSM candidate.  Should have wrote that he'll be a truly terrible representative. You're right. Thanks for the sarcastic correction, sir.
(He's already a terribad candidate. )
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Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
183
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Posted - 2012.02.11 19:14:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Really?
You actually support this idea, in its entirety? This is what you would like to see implemented in EVE Online? A vote for Kelduum, after all, is a vote for that garbage.
The difference between you supporting Keld and the couple others I called out in this thread, is that they don't know any better. The only game they know is the sweet, gentle, carebear world of EVE University. You, Asuri, should know better. I should say yes, just to watch you twitch...
No, I don't support that idea. Structures are boring. But again, even bad ideas can engender communication/discussion - which is not a bad thing if your not just out trolling.
I would support mechanics that penalized Neut-RR and Station Games (wherever they happen). Those tactics are as lame as anything in the game (atm).
I would support mechanics that encouraged PVP - across all sectors of space. I would encourage mechanics that were clear and un-ambiguous, and that did not lend themselves to explotation or misuse.
But trying to conflate support for a bad idea with support for Keld is poor at best, and dishonest at worst. A bad idea can be shot down, and a mistaken impression can be fixed.
But nice strawman there....
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Come on. You're a smart, girl. You know that to be a FAKE argument that Kelduum puts forth to pretend that the University likes conflict and wants to 100% be part of the sandbox. That's why he came up with his wardec capture the flag system that favours a corp, like the Uni (how odd!), actually ending wars before they start. Because you know, they love conflict so much. And if you knew your Uni history - you would actually realize/know that this mechanic (dissolving the alliance/corp) was discussed (either around the time just before I left, or just after I left).
It is not *fake* because it was considered.
But nice try.
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:The 0.0 reps weren't "marginalized" when they "realized" that WH's have A, B, C ores... The 0.0 reps were going to marginalize themselves?  The Circle of Seven will marginalize Kelduum the moment he introduces his Capture the Flag idea to CCP. Again - you think they aren't going to try to work with each other? They would just shut someone out?

Like I said, The Mittani et al, realize the benifit of an ally. I think he'll work fine.
And just to add - I plan on supporting Keld, Mittens and Two-Step with my votes
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:I imagine that "the chairman" and the rest of the sitting CSM recognize the value of helping each other/building relationships. Something they get (that it seems you don't) is that guiding/helping someone with something the aren't 100% familiar with gains you an ally, whereas "ridiculing" will only gain you an opponent at best... I understand. I also understand it would be in the Circle of Seven's best interests to support seven other candidates who they don't have to coddle. Han Jagerbltizen, for instance, understands conflict in EVE. Kelduum does not.
The other point the Circle of Seven are missing (The Mittani, Two Step, Selene, and other 0.0 candidates), is that Kelduum getting on the CSM will simply increase the ability of EVE University to recruit, which makes his position much stronger for CSM8. The more they coddle and support his run, the more in danger they put their positions for future CSMs.
*shiver* Imagine if Kelduum was the Chair someday? Yikes! There's an agenda straight out of the sub-basement of some theme park MMO.
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Posted - 2012.02.11 19:21:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:The 0.0 reps weren't "marginalized" when they "realized" that WH's have A, B, C ores... The 0.0 reps were going to marginalize themselves?  The Circle of Seven will marginalize Kelduum the moment he introduces his Capture the Flag idea to CCP. Again - you think they aren't going to try to work with each other? They would just shut someone out?  Of course Mittens would. He did it with Prometheus. He did it with Darius III. Why wouldn't he marginalize someone who always brought bad ideas to the table? If the bad idea guy suddenly starts supporting your position, people will start wondering if, maybe, that too is a bad idea.
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