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Corvinae	Posted - 2008.01.03 21:48:00 - [1] Edited by: Corvinae on 03/01/2008 21:48:59 I thought I would support CCP in it's efforts to bring eve to the Mac platform and tried out the game. Now I am canceling during the first billing cycle and I thought the Devs would be interested to hear my thoughts. That the rest of you mopes get a chance to flame me after is just a bonus. The UI is ugly and clunky. some windows you can change text size some not. some functions that would seem obvious additions to the popup menus are nowhere to be found. actions take more clicks than they really should. mission variety is incredibly lacking. Changing up which flavor of rats are protecting the deadspace zone does not really make it a different mission. Recovering from a death is the most tedious PITA gameplay mechanic I have encountered in all my decades of gaming. Personally i'd like to see a more expensive insurance policy (only available to frigates and possibly small industrials) that returns a ship of the type you lost fitted with the basic tech versions of the modules you had fitted at the time you paid your insurance. i think this would make it a lot easier for new players to get the hang of the game. Finally, when someone signs up for 14 days free and then pays for the game during those 14 days, having the paid sub start AFTER the trial time is over, instead of immediately, might help you not look like complete moneygrubbers. Thanks for the fun I did have, i'll probly re-up now and again to see if there are improvements. You don't want my stuff, it's crap.
Larg Kellein Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2008.01.03 21:51:00 - [2] Yeah, definetely don't want your stuff. Say hello to the elves for me...
Jimer Lins Gallente Pod Six Research	Posted - 2008.01.03 21:51:00 - [3] This won't end well. But sorry to see you go, I don't agree with most of your points, but what I think we can all agree on is that EVE isn't for everyone. Vaya con dios. Need a covops or scout? Recruit me!
Jenny Spitfire Caldari SIVAKASI	Posted - 2008.01.03 21:51:00 - [4] Heh, the whole game isn't that bad. I do agree the windowing display isn't as good as World of Warcraft but they are useable, arent' they? This game is just a bit hard to play but it is still fun ... --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Recruitment -KB-
Corvinae	Posted - 2008.01.03 21:55:00 - [5] the UI hasn't really caught up with windows 98.
Kithron Darklite inc Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.01.03 21:57:00 - [6] I agree, the UI mostly sucks. It really needs some work. I agree, the mission variety is pretty small. Eve is not about PvE, it is about PvP and empire building. I agree, the death penalty is harsh. Life is harsh, it adds to realism and immersion. It also gives you something to fight for. I agree, the subscription durin 14 day trials should start AFTER the 14 days. Despite the points you have raised, this is the best MMO I have ever played. It is so immersive you end up thinking about it way too much out of game, even. If the UI ever gets a true revamp, Eve players may just ascend, becoming pure energy just to merge with the internet and live in Eve Space. :) Darklite Inc. Diplomat
Jenny Spitfire Caldari SIVAKASI	Posted - 2008.01.03 21:57:00 - [7] Why would you say that and what era is the UI if it hasn't caught up with Win98? --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Recruitment -KB-
Zinras Caldari	Posted - 2008.01.03 21:57:00 - [8] You can sell your stuff and transfer the ISK to me! The tutorial should have informed you how insurance works, so I don't see a problem there. While I agree that the game's UI certainly could do with improvement it's not that bad when you get the hang of it. It's not very hard to afford the modules that you've lost, given how much the insurance pays (yes, I've been there myself when I was new).
Daelin Blackleaf Aliastra	Posted - 2008.01.03 21:58:00 - [9] Originally by: Corvinae The UI is ugly and clunky. some windows you can change text size some not. some functions that would seem obvious additions to the popup menus are nowhere to be found. actions take more clicks than they really should. mission variety is incredibly lacking. Changing up which flavor of rats are protecting the deadspace zone does not really make it a different mission. Agreed the UI and PvE are some of EVE's weakest points and don't get the attention they deserve from the devs. Originally by: Corvinae Recovering from a death is the most tedious PITA gameplay mechanic I have encountered in all my decades of gaming. Personally i'd like to see a more expensive insurance policy (only available to frigates and possibly small industrials) that returns a ship of the type you lost fitted with the basic tech versions of the modules you had fitted at the time you paid your insurance. i think this would make it a lot easier for new players to get the hang of the game. Finally, when someone signs up for 14 days free and then pays for the game during those 14 days, having the paid sub start AFTER the trial time is over, instead of immediately, might help you not look like complete moneygrubbers. No. Death is supposed to be a set-back, that's what makes EVE the game it is and appeal to the market it appeals to. New players need to this find out early on if this is for them not have their hands held for awhile and then get left to drown. As for your complaints about accounts a trial account cannot use a number of ships and features within EVE. Subbing fixes that. Most people only sub once they are sure they want to play. If you could have lived without these features for the rest of your trial period you should have waited until your trial ran out. As with any purchase, do your research and know what your getting for your cash. Pity the game isn't for you, but it's not for everyone, hope to see you back if the UI and PvE ever improve.
Waxau The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.03 21:58:00 - [10] Can i also point out the cash (first time out i typed isk ) WoW have available? We have a few hundred thousand subscribers. WoW has millions. As such, they have the best skills and talent posisble. CCP doesnt. Even despite those that we have being skilled, there are other folks who CAN make it better (no offence CCP) that are out of reach due to finaince. So - Sorry you didnt enjoy it, but you're playing an intensive game, which you obviously didnt click with. However, if you stayed longer, you'd see that the gameplay that exists is either due to it working well enough already, or it being changed already for balancing. And whilst the death thing you find a PITA...What incentive is there in WoW to try not to die? Walk back to your body or whatever? Eve isnt a fantasy elf game, and does have a 'touch' of realism. If its not to you liking, fair enough. But you could always email the devs. Sadly posting here WILL bring flames.
Kharadran Sullath Caldari Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.01.03 21:59:00 - [11] The death penalties in this game are central to absolutely everything in it, especially to the fact that almost every pvp encounter is an exciting experience. ------ Originally by: Graveyard Tan I call bull** and troll. If you are deaf**, how are you even able to read this or type replies?
Ursula LeGuinn Versus Gloria Omnis	Posted - 2008.01.03 22:00:00 - [12] I do wish CCP would open up the UI to third-party modification. Would do wonders for the game. You're right that missions can be boring as hell, although when doing difficult ones with friends, it gets a lot more interesting. However, missions are a very small part of the game, and are mostly a means to an end. All the best content in EVE is created by the players themselves. If you want a fun solo missioning experience, you should play WoW or LOTRO. And yes, when you lose a ship, it sucks. This is intentional; it gives people a reason to fight well, learn the game, and use caution, because they can't respawn five seconds after dying with all their stuff intact. EVE has its flaws, but so does every other MMORPG.
Lord Matrix Department of War	Posted - 2008.01.03 22:03:00 - [13] The UI is indeed horrible and there is no mission variety whatsoever. If you do not find a purpose in the game you eventually get bored and quit. You should find and join a good corporation to get you started. I'm sure if you could see the game as the older players see it, you would continue playing simply because there is so many things to do and achieve. This is something no other MMO can give you. 3/4 pure lunatic, 1/4 absolute genius
Corvinae	Posted - 2008.01.03 22:12:00 - [14] the UI reminds me of Win3.1 TBH. I understood and used insurance, i only died 3-4 times as i played into lvl II stuff. Running around reassembling a ship after a death makes the game fell like its made of tedium. The point about the subscriber base and the resources available for improvements is interesting chicken and egg dilemma. Does the game have problems because the playerbase is to small to afford the resources to improve it, or is it the games deficiencies that keep the playerbase low?
Belce Caldari ADAMA Corps Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.01.03 22:14:00 - [15] I think that the fact that this game has a very much larger subscriber base than it did last year and the year before that... etc is evidence that this is one great game. No other game out there continues to grow its numbers this long after release, including WoW. I think this year alone Eve has set a record for most simultanous online subscribers only to raise that bar up again a few months later. Truth is Truth
Sydril	Posted - 2008.01.03 22:18:00 - [16] I think the OP has a decent point about a 'super' insurance policy for smaller ships. I know EVE prides itself on being a little more harsh then other games, but I think it makes sense at the beginning to make it a little easier for players initially. Why? Here's my example. I died in my frigate losing all my gear. I then have to spend the next hour jumping buying/installing parts. Being a new player I could easily die again and I have to again spend an hour doing so. So that means my first 4 hours of play have consisted of this: 2 hours of a subpar tutorial, 2 hours of jumping/buying/fitting items and 15 minutes of actual fun (before i died). Obviously, at this point I realize i better start buying multiple copies of items, but the point is when you're new and you don't realize this the first time, it can be major turn off initially. And again, I know EVE isn't a carebear game etc and yes that is the beauty of EVE. But I think it sorta makes sense to let new players experience the good stuff rather than kick them in the nuts right away, at the very least it does from a business standpoint. Let them get on their feet and then when they have a bit more isk and knowledge, make them suffer with having re-equip every ship they lose. Besides, would it really throw off the game if you gave a newbie a very basic equiped starter frigate upon death?
Suze'Rain Caldari Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.01.03 22:19:00 - [17] really, the UI is not ugly or clunky the UI is graceful, elegant, and rapid in its executio- ah hell who'm I kidding? it's bloody awful. we've been telling them this for years. it's not as bad as it was.... but it's still dire. I'd give my spleen for the opportunity to modify the UI design, personally. not sure about insurance - a newbie type replacement would likely be a bonus for learning... but to be honest, I think part of the game's appeal from my masochistic, spleen-donating point of view is that death really means something in eve... it's still the only computergame I've had the shakes from. and the 14-day trial thingy is scandalous. dont know if other companies do the same though.
Guillame Herschel Gallente Cheers Restaurant and Bar Coalition Of Empires	Posted - 2008.01.03 22:19:00 - [18] Originally by: Corvinae I thought I would support CCP in it's efforts to bring eve to the Mac platform and tried out the game. Platform fanboyism is the worst reason to try out any program, of any kind. Here, the first complaint of a Mac fanboy who tried the game because it's on a Mac, is about the EVE UI. That says it all. You tried this game for the wrong reasons, no wonder you were disappointed. Just because it's on a Mac, doesn't mean it will meet your needs. And just because it's on Windows, doesn't mean it will suck. Stupid fanbois. -- Guile can always trump hardware --
Guillame Herschel Gallente Cheers Restaurant and Bar Coalition Of Empires	Posted - 2008.01.03 22:21:00 - [19] Originally by: Jimer Lins Vaya con dios. Via con dios (God go with you). Vaya is a nonsense word. -- Guile can always trump hardware --
Waxau The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.03 22:22:00 - [20] Originally by: Corvinae the UI reminds me of Win3.1 TBH. I understood and used insurance, i only died 3-4 times as i played into lvl II stuff. Running around reassembling a ship after a death makes the game fell like its made of tedium. The point about the subscriber base and the resources available for improvements is interesting chicken and egg dilemma. Does the game have problems because the playerbase is to small to afford the resources to improve it, or is it the games deficiencies that keep the playerbase low? Well, the reason of the low player base is due to the fact that when the game first started up, it wasnt good (Beta Player here). However, over time it has actually become far better, with more features, and so on. However, at this time, the games reputation was by word of mouth only. I believe it was given a rather crappy score on MMORPG.com, and so only mates played together, and so on. However over time, as CCP's low budget kicked in, more folks joined up, more features were added, and made it a 'stable' game. They then were able to focus on advertising. That advertising is the reason for the huge playerbase rise in the past few years, and is still rising rapidly. However, please note. CCP at the start of their Eve Career had a rocky start. Their publishers went bankrupt and as such, CCP were stuck in limbo. Using only a few resources that they had, they pulled themselves back, and made eve live on. The major reason the game has a small community, is simply due to the long and painful road CCP undertook. Oh - And also that Eve is a rather mature game, with maths, equations, and overall grownup community. WoW is an ageless one.
Jimer Lins Gallente Pod Six Research	Posted - 2008.01.03 22:23:00 - [21] Originally by: Guillame Herschel Originally by: Jimer Lins Vaya con dios. Via con dios (God go with you). Vaya is a nonsense word. I stand corrected. I thought it could also mean "Go with God". Anyway, the sentiment was meant well. Need a covops or scout? Recruit me!
Glassback Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.03 22:24:00 - [22] Edited by: Glassback on 03/01/2008 22:24:17 NM. BH Kharnubis > Need more people against the MC meanies
Kiviar Caldari Vice-Presidential Action Rangers	Posted - 2008.01.03 22:24:00 - [23] Originally by: Corvinae The UI is ugly and clunky. some windows you can change text size some not. some functions that would seem obvious additions to the popup menus are nowhere to be found. actions take more clicks than they really should. Eve has one of the worst UIs of any modern MMO, except perhaps for Pirates of the Burning Sea. More people need to whine about this so it will get fixed. ---
Ursula LeGuinn Versus Gloria Omnis	Posted - 2008.01.03 22:25:00 - [24] Edited by: Ursula LeGuinn on 03/01/2008 22:24:55 If you need to fit a new ship after being destroyed (and are a relatively new player), go to a trade hub like Jita (Caldari), Oursulaert (Gallente), Amarr (...Amarr), or somewhere along those lines. You may pay more for your stuff there, but you'll get it all in one place, and the time you save as a result will make up for the extra money because you can use it gaining money, salbaging, and getting better standings. If you absolutely MUST deal hunt, only deal hunt for the most expensive items in your setup.
syphurous Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.01.03 22:27:00 - [25] I'd like to see a n00b try undock with all the T1 parts attached to his ship the insurance stuck on it seeing as he likely didn't start with Engineering 5, Electronics 5, or cap skills to keep them going. There's a reason you use named over T1. Simply the game is not for you, find another game more suiting to your needs. You have the choice, now make it. I would personally like to see insurance removed completely. The UI may be a bit crap, but its still functional. ___ All Ur Salvage R Belong 2 Me !
F90OEX	Posted - 2008.01.03 22:29:00 - [26]
Corvinae	Posted - 2008.01.03 22:30:00 - [27] Quote: Platform fanboyism is the worst reason to try out any program, of any kind. Here, the first complaint of a Mac fanboy who tried the game because it's on a Mac, is about the EVE UI. That says it all. You tried this game for the wrong reasons, no wonder you were disappointed. Just because it's on a Mac, doesn't mean it will meet your needs. And just because it's on Windows, doesn't mean it will suck. Stupid fanbois. LOL hostile much? FWIW i am a RTS guy at heart, to me multiplayer means playing VS other players, playing alongside/under command of other players is not my style. Yeah i got hooked on the MMO thing with WoW, but i am looking for something with a little more. spaceships>elves anyday in my book as well. I wish EvE had been it, there are definitely some good folks here.
Guillame Herschel Gallente Cheers Restaurant and Bar Coalition Of Empires	Posted - 2008.01.03 22:37:00 - [28] Originally by: Jimer Lins I stand corrected. I thought it could also mean "Go with God". Anyway, the sentiment was meant well. Sure, I know. I'm just being a pedantero. But you know what: turns out you're right and I'm wrong. Vaya is indeed the way the word is spelled after all. I always thought it was an Anglicization of the Spanish word "Via" which Americans would incorrectly pronounce "vee-ah." But in fact (as I discovered while checking to see if I really knew what I was talking about) Vaya is the proper conjugation for using the word in a declarative like "God go with you." -- Guile can always trump hardware --
Guillame Herschel Gallente Cheers Restaurant and Bar Coalition Of Empires	Posted - 2008.01.03 22:41:00 - [29] Originally by: Corvinae FWIW i am a RTS guy at heart, to me multiplayer means playing VS other players, playing alongside/under command of other players is not my style. Well that just backs up what I said. You tried the game because it was on a Mac, not because it was a type of game you thought you might like. Disappointment seems unsurprising under those circumstances. -- Guile can always trump hardware --
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2008.01.03 22:45:00 - [30] Originally by: Corvinae FWIW i am a RTS guy at heart, to me multiplayer means playing VS other players, playing alongside/under command of other players is not my style. If you have been here through one subscription period, you haven't even HEARD about more than about 10% of eve.... If you want Player vs. Player, go join a Pirate corp or try some solo piracy/raiding. Course you will get your tail handed to you because this isn't a twitch game; Eve rewards patience (including patience at training your skills). Originally by: Audri Fisher On the other, the emo tears being cryed in this thread tell me that just because you shoot somebody for a living, does not mean you aren't a carebear

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