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Kruel Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.01.03 22:52:00 - [31] I agree the UI sucks. I disagree that the death penalty is overboard. It's one of the things I love about this game... that is of course when it's someone else losing their ship and not me.
Emperor D'Hoffryn No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2008.01.03 22:53:00 - [32] Edited by: Emperor D''Hoffryn on 03/01/2008 22:54:15 Originally by: Corvinae Quote: Platform fanboyism is the worst reason to try out any program, of any kind. Here, the first complaint of a Mac fanboy who tried the game because it's on a Mac, is about the EVE UI. That says it all. You tried this game for the wrong reasons, no wonder you were disappointed. Just because it's on a Mac, doesn't mean it will meet your needs. And just because it's on Windows, doesn't mean it will suck. Stupid fanbois. LOL hostile much? FWIW i am a RTS guy at heart, to me multiplayer means playing VS other players, playing alongside/under command of other players is not my style. Yeah i got hooked on the MMO thing with WoW, but i am looking for something with a little more. spaceships>elves anyday in my book as well. I wish EvE had been it, there are definitely some good folks here. you simply MUST play the game more. EVE is entirely about Player Vs Player. All the good content in EVE is player made, with player created and controlled alliances fighting for territoy in lawless space. Also, while I agree missions are boring, there is ALOT, and i mean SIMPLY ALOT, of EVE content that is hidden, and new players generally will never find out about it unless an older player tells them. Examples of hidden content a player will likely NEVER KNOW ABOUT in their 14-day trial are: COSMOS missions hidden encounters exploration gas cloud stuff they will also not realize the complexities of the entirely player driven market, including such things like salvaging in your PVE missions to produce rigs for other players, and other such content. The game is worth another try, but EVE requires months minimum to really get into the good stuff. the game is totally not for everyone, and i mean that respectfully. you TOTALLY have a point with the subscription thing. Its fine if it starts right away, if the subscription page TOLD you that it would, so you could decide. edit as for death penalty, just see my sig Originally by: Snuggly It's just so great to have an actual reason to not die, incentive is fantastic!
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.03 23:03:00 - [33] Originally by: Corvinae Edited by: Corvinae on 03/01/2008 21:48:59 I thought I would support CCP in it's efforts to bring eve to the Mac platform and tried out the game. Now I am canceling during the first billing cycle and I thought the Devs would be interested to hear my thoughts. That the rest of you mopes get a chance to flame me after is just a bonus. Happy to oblige! Quote: The UI is ugly and clunky. some windows you can change text size some not. some functions that would seem obvious additions to the popup menus are nowhere to be found. actions take more clicks than they really should. Can't argue this, what's been surprising to me is the utter lack of any attempt to create custom UI mods by the players. The datasets are no different than anywhere else. Quote: mission variety is incredibly lacking. Changing up which flavor of rats are protecting the deadspace zone does not really make it a different mission. Missions are a means to an end. Believe me, they're barely scratching the surface of what this game's about. Quote: Recovering from a death is the most tedious PITA gameplay mechanic I have encountered in all my decades of gaming. Personally i'd like to see a more expensive insurance policy (only available to frigates and possibly small industrials) that returns a ship of the type you lost fitted with the basic tech versions of the modules you had fitted at the time you paid your insurance. i think this would make it a lot easier for new players to get the hang of the game. The first rule of EVE: Never fly a ship you can't afford to lose. This isn't a game you can zerg through. You have to think about consequences from day one. Screw that up at your own danger. Yes, this means you will find yourself running from fights. You will not own from the outset, and some missions are just going to be beyond your ability. EVE is not about winning, its about surviving, even in missions.
Corvinae	Posted - 2008.01.03 23:08:00 - [34] Edited by: Corvinae on 03/01/2008 23:11:46 So many assumptions. I am 42 years old and don't own a television, let alone a console. I played space trader back when we had to bring our own printer paper. I tried this game because I thought from what I had read up about it that it might be a fun space theme MMO i could run on my computer. I decided to pay for it to support the effort. the distinction is subtle, i know. There is a lot of content in the game that I haven't experienced i admit freely. but mining, research, industry stuff all seems terribly tedious to me, and i got my fill of shuttling goods around 20 years ago on that printer paper. PvP seems to be completely group oriented for the most part. the consensus seems to be that solo PvP is near impossible, and I am too old and grumpy to deal with all the epeen that I am sure is involved in all that lol
Mr McCargo The Paradox Continium	Posted - 2008.01.03 23:20:00 - [35] Originally by: Corvinae Edited by: Corvinae on 03/01/2008 21:48:59 Finally, when someone signs up for 14 days free and then pays for the game during those 14 days, having the paid sub start AFTER the trial time is over, instead of immediately, might help you not look like complete moneygrubbers. Actually, your paid time does start AFTER the trial, if you pay with a gametime code. - Mr C
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.01.03 23:33:00 - [36] Originally by: Corvinae Edited by: Corvinae on 03/01/2008 23:11:46 So many assumptions. I am 42 years old and don't own a television, let alone a console. I played space trader back when we had to bring our own printer paper. I tried this game because I thought from what I had read up about it that it might be a fun space theme MMO i could run on my computer. I decided to pay for it to support the effort. the distinction is subtle, i know. There is a lot of content in the game that I haven't experienced i admit freely. but mining, research, industry stuff all seems terribly tedious to me, and i got my fill of shuttling goods around 20 years ago on that printer paper. PvP seems to be completely group oriented for the most part. the consensus seems to be that solo PvP is near impossible, and I am too old and grumpy to deal with all the epeen that I am sure is involved in all that lol And now we come to the real reasons you left Eve. Its simply not for you. Nothing wrong with the game or you really. You like pie and Eve is cake. Might I suggest you try one of the X2/3 series for your space game pleasure? Its got everything your looking for only its a single player game with freeform flight. Kinda like Eve only a space shooter with economic elements.
Surreptitious Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.03 23:36:00 - [37] Your better off playing a different game. EVE's past its peak. Sorry you didnt like it but you made the right choice. Syrup
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.01.03 23:40:00 - [38] Originally by: Surreptitious EVE's past its peak. Now now. Just because you guys can't wardec all of Empire anymore doesn't mean its past its peak for the majority of players though I can fully understand why in your specific case it might seem so.
Lil'Red Ridin'Hood Snake Assault	Posted - 2008.01.03 23:46:00 - [39] Originally by: Corvinae Yeah i got hooked on the MMO thing with WoW, but i am looking for something with a little more. Not sure, but it rather looks like you're actually looking for something with a little less. Less time you need to spend to get to know the system and less effort to master the game and be that uber-pwning level 70 <enter favorite class here>. When I started playing this game pretty much exactly a year ago, I went through pretty much the same feelings. I started, paid (also was annoyed by the immediate start of billing cycle), ran missions, did a bit of this, a bit less of that, and got bored after around 6-8 weeks. Although, I never really had many issues with the UI. It's pretty... let's call it "basic" to use a diplomatic term. But it kinda does the job well enough for me. Lots of room for improvement, no doubt, but it works. More or less. At times. You know what I mean. :) Then, after taking a break of 8 months, I decided to give EVE another go, this time from a different angle: PvP. Screw missions. Screw mining. This time, let's go and blow things up, or get blown up trying. This, for me, is where this game comes alive. And no, it's not a necessity to do gang PvP. But playing solo PvP takes a lot more effort in picking targets/fights/meowchow. I believe it's well worth it. Nothing more rewarding than finding/baiting/tricking a valid target after putting a lot of effort into it. And although I almost agree with you on changing the insurance system to handing back a T1 fitted ship, after thinking about it I believe it's better to have it the way it works right now. I have sympathized with that motion, mainly because I'm lousy at PvP. And every time I get my blown up I'd love to have that feature at hand. Hop back in, and get blown up again. But what's even better than that, is to have to fly around for 30-45 minutes, scraping together your equipment just to get back into the game. And for what? To think about the stupid mistake you've just made that cost you that much time. Feel the consequences and learn. And one last thing. I have yet to make encounter with an epeen-swashbucklin PvPer. I've had my fair share of going boom, but none of those guys showing me how my Rifter looks like in tiny pieces tried any sort of smack talk. So far, I believe the nastiest in-game characters are the most mature people.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari SIVAKASI	Posted - 2008.01.03 23:47:00 - [40] Come on, do something that you like to do. I am sure you could find some fun. You can come and run missions with me if you want. I have been doing Enemies Abound for the past ten times and I still find it fun. Honestlt, I don't mind running it the next ten times again. Running mission with someone else could be fun. Try it but sorry to see you leave if you don't want to. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Recruitment -KB-
Megadon Caldari Deathshead Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.03 23:49:00 - [41] The UI sucks less than it used to suck and improvements are steadily being made in its suckiness. I for one like its minimalist approach but things seem to have a weird logic about them and aren't intuitive until you spend time with it and obvious things are missing or it lacks many options to customize. Mission variety is lacking if youre only doing kill missions. They are basically all the same. If you've done a lvl 1 kill mission you have essentially done a lvl 4 kill mission on a smaller scale. Some of the cosmos missions however are very interesting so if you didn't get a chance to try those out you missed a treat. Also the whole exploration mini profession in the game and finding plexes and 'dungeons' to kill stuff in can be a lot of fun. The insurance thing is fine. Part of what Eve is, can be found in overcoming the challenges the game presents to you. If you found that annoying, well... Boost Amarr
Raktar Medovski	Posted - 2008.01.03 23:53:00 - [42] At least on the 14 day trial here you can do more things. On WoW's 14 day trial, you can't join groups, can't trade, can't talk in channels, and can't post on the forums.
faxtarious Kai-Zen inc.	Posted - 2008.01.03 23:57:00 - [43] The game itself has no weaknesses aside from the usual Bug here..bug there (cauz the world isn't perfect) kinda thing EvE is harsh....yeah ..."we" know EvE kicks you in the nuts when you,re a n00b...yeah... "we" know EvE doesnt have the "Britney Spears" UI theme ....Thank God...Oh and BTW...CCP: please keep the GUI as IZ... I was suprised to read that you are actually in your early 40's..."did you know" the most of the best EvE pilots out there ...actually are in they 30's and late 30's. that's because...I kind of noticed that they enjoy the game cauz the usual "lvl grinding" that usually attract kids and turns them into ******s when they reach they late teens and early 20's is not that interesting to a 25-30-35 year old man/woman that has a life and enjoys a bit of "intellectual" challenge in life. I'm not "flaming you"....this is just my perception of your Post. Sorry to see that such a nice game ...isn't your type. tried wow by any chance..."it's Ub3r l337"
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.01.04 00:01:00 - [44] Originally by: Raktar Medovski On WoW's 14 day trial, you can't join groups, can't trade, can't talk in channels, and can't post on the forums. CCP needs to take a lesson from Blizzard in this specific case then. Trial alt spam/abuse is one of the few things that annoy me about the game be it an isk seller spamming the chat or a group of alliance nubs talking **** in the npc chat/forums.
Suze'Rain Caldari Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.01.04 00:04:00 - [45] Originally by: faxtarious EvE doesnt have the "Britney Spears" UI theme ....Thank God...Oh and BTW...CCP: please keep the GUI as IZ... I'd rather like it if CCP would let us design user interfaces, with some sort of precondition that they have to be vetted by CCP to get patched in as user-created content (web2.0 here we come, buzzword bingo) only if the UI design passes CCP's quality standards. would be good to weed out the britney spears UIs, and only allow those which are good enough and appropriate
nether void Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.01.04 00:11:00 - [46] 'Insert huge flame here' 'Insert 'You are not prepared' flame about WoW here' 'Insert joke/flame about Mac and iPod here' --------------------------- nethervoid - since '97 [UO\|EQ\|SB\|SWG\|PS\|EVE\|HZ\|NWN\|VG\|WoW]
Vasco Falcon Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.01.04 00:18:00 - [47] Completely agree about the UI, its so 80s! But the death cost is one of the things that keeps bringing me back, as well as the logistics and difficulties smaller alliances have keeping themselves going in 0.0. On death costs lets have Battleship and anything bigger made uninsurable, now theres a proper money sink. Infact anything bigger or better than a T1 cruiser xD
Westly Synpa GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.04 00:33:00 - [48] Yes empire play is quite boring. Yea you can't do much else other then pirate in low sec or try to join a corp in 0 sec but you can't usually do those without lots of skill points so yes its a waste of money for most new people since it takes a long time to get enough skill points to do anything worthwhile.
Ursula LeGuinn Versus Gloria Omnis	Posted - 2008.01.04 00:38:00 - [49] Originally by: Westly Synpa Yes empire play is quite boring. Yea you can't do much else other then pirate in low sec or try to join a corp in 0 sec but you can't usually do those without lots of skill points so yes its a waste of money for most new people since it takes a long time to get enough skill points to do anything worthwhile. Well, you can get competent at piloting an Interceptor or CovOps in a couple, three months with the right attribute spread and some average implants. Of course, the only way to make any money while doing that is to have a mining alt on a second account, because you need a cruiser with at least passable skills to do L2 kill missions well. But yeah... it really takes 4-6 months to get to the point where you're good at anything, and even then, after six months, you'll probably only be good at that one particular thing you picked.
Guillame Herschel Gallente Cheers Restaurant and Bar Coalition Of Empires	Posted - 2008.01.04 00:43:00 - [50] Originally by: Corvinae Edited by: Corvinae on 03/01/2008 23:11:46 So many assumptions. I am 42 years old and don't own a television, let alone a console. I played space trader back when we had to bring our own printer paper. Remember me? I'm the guy that flamed your Mac fanboyism. I'm 45 and also don't have TV, but I have a Xbox360. I also played the paper games back in the day. Remember Traveller? I even remember the old BBS game Tradewars 2002, which is about the closest thing there was to EVE in the dial-up days. Let me tell you something: EVE is the successor to those old paper-based space trading games, in the same way that Baldur's Gate is the successor to D&D in the computer game world. Only it is much, much, MUCH more detailed than any of those old games could dream of! How much effort did you put into those paper games? EVE deserves at least as much, and rewards you far better for the effort, IMO. -- Guile can always trump hardware --
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.01.04 00:45:00 - [51] Edited by: Zeba on 04/01/2008 00:46:12 Originally by: Ursula LeGuinn ..stuff.. lol. He was being sarcastic. Goonswarm is completly based around large groups of low skill players to get their jollys.
Selene Le'Cotiere Amarr I-Omniscient-I	Posted - 2008.01.04 00:46:00 - [52] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Raktar Medovski On WoW's 14 day trial, you can't join groups, can't trade, can't talk in channels, and can't post on the forums. CCP needs to take a lesson from Blizzard in this specific case then. Trial alt spam/abuse is one of the few things that annoy me about the game be it an isk seller spamming the chat or a group of alliance nubs talking **** in the npc chat/forums. HALLELUJAH!!! _________ "Some would call me a Demon. Others, a Vampire. But if the truth be told... I'm a daughter of the moon and a Goddess among men."
Selene Le'Cotiere Amarr I-Omniscient-I	Posted - 2008.01.04 00:48:00 - [53] Originally by: Suze'Rain Originally by: faxtarious EvE doesnt have the "Britney Spears" UI theme ....Thank God...Oh and BTW...CCP: please keep the GUI as IZ... I'd rather like it if CCP would let us design user interfaces, with some sort of precondition that they have to be vetted by CCP to get patched in as user-created content (web2.0 here we come, buzzword bingo) only if the UI design passes CCP's quality standards. would be good to weed out the britney spears UIs, and only allow those which are good enough and appropriate WTB a "Pitch Black/Riddic" UI. Many thanks, Bye _________ "Some would call me a Demon. Others, a Vampire. But if the truth be told... I'm a daughter of the moon and a Goddess among men."
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2008.01.04 01:04:00 - [54] Corvinae: You're right about everything except when you complain about having to rebuy and fit your ship after it explodes. That's part of the logistics of the game. Whining about that gets you no sympathy. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Insidi Us Amarr Suicidal Mercenaries Pure.	Posted - 2008.01.04 01:13:00 - [55] I pretty much loathe the UI myself. I tried the 7 day free trial a couple of years ago and couldn't get past the mining tutorial. I thought the game blew big chunks then proceeded to play EQ2/WoW. After I realized what it would take to maximize my potential in WoW I quit and gave this game a try on a whim, and have been here ever since (24 million SP). I think it comes down to having a specific plan in mind when you start the trial. The first time I tried it I just thought "Let's just give this overall game a try and see what it's like" and felt aimless. The second time I tried it I had read a lot about the sandbox PvP in 0.0 space, so I tried to tailor myself to that, and found my niche. Again, the UI blows. But even to this day my heart gets pounding and I get a shot of adrenaline when combat gets fierce. Today I tried to engage a Drake with my Rapier, but after he actually started shooting back I had to MWD off and hope I got out of his 24km scramble range before I died. I made it, and it made me realize how much fun this game can be, because of the harsh death penalties. ------------- RIP Constructive Criticism
Armoured C Gallente Globaltech Industries Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2008.01.04 01:22:00 - [56] yeah for the turorial it has gotten better over the times i have been playign but we all survived throught it when it hasnt had better days and look at us now fully able pilots because we stuck with it and had the willingness to learn unlike lazy players lol yes it intence but we all got throught it fine in the end there nothing much more you can do with out them experiencing the game for themselves yes you get blown up it happens i mean i saw a post here yesterday about a week old pirate he learned he been blown up and he got stright back up this just shows that peoples are lazy when doing this and not comitted
Mavil	Posted - 2008.01.04 01:26:00 - [57] I mostly agree with you. The UI is horrible, there's no doubt about it. Better now than it used to be, but still really bad. Missions are really dull. I only PvP nowadays. Disagree with the insurance, as that'd take a lot of the excitement out of PvP. However I atleast often think it's a pain of what kind of kill-death ratio you need to keep up in order to earn money by killing people. Only half the items survive, and if it's a tech 2 fit ship you might get 10-20mil in total for its fittings. Had you however lost a Command Ship (somewhat uninsurable) or a similar ship you'd have been looking at losses of 250mil or so. The problem with this is that it makes you a lot less eager to engage in a fight, as even if you fight 5 ships and blow them up and get blown up yourself, you most likely won't have profited from it. This in turn makes it harder to find PvP in general. That's my take on it atleast!
Letava Gallente Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.04 01:30:00 - [58] My opinions: - The UI is clear and functional, and far better than any other MMO I've tried. This is especially noticeable with chat channels where you don't have to **** around with filters and fading windows. - PvE is sorely lacking, but unlike other MMOs there's no actual need to PvE. - The penalty for dying is harsh, but that's what I like about it. - I petitioned and got the days I lost from my trial added back onto my account -----------------------
Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2008.01.04 01:41:00 - [59] Originally by: Letava My opinions: - The UI is clear and functional, and far better than any other MMO I've tried. This is especially noticeable with chat channels where you don't have to **** around with filters and fading windows. You should really try more MMOs, such claims make you look a bit ... otherworldly... I have only tried 3 other MMOs and they all beat EVE by miles as far as the UI is concerned: Tabula Rasa (1st place), WoW (2nd place), Dungeon Runners (extremely simple budget MMORPG by NCsoft, tried it out of pure boredom, but the UI is very good). The EVE client really needs some love, it's such a pity that such a good overall game design suffers from bad usability. I also don't like shooting at little crosses and rectangles when I have a good graphics card, I wish I could see more of the ships in combat... Disclaimer: I do not speak for the fanbois.
Mallikan Gallente Spartan Hoplites Rare Faction	Posted - 2008.01.04 01:41:00 - [60] This just in! No one cares. Bye, won't be missing you. --- lol.. I messed up.

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