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Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.01.04 12:19:00 - [91] Tbh, you haven't really tried the game until you have joined a decent corp... ------------------------------------------ What is Oomph? It the sound Amarr players makes when they get kicked in the ribs.
Jazzar Gallente Bladerunners Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.01.04 12:23:00 - [92] Originally by: Ursula LeGuinn I do wish CCP would open up the UI to third-party modification. Would do wonders for the game. This.
Azirapheal Amarr The Bastards	Posted - 2008.01.04 12:23:00 - [93] Originally by: Corvinae Quote: Platform fanboyism is the worst reason to try out any program, of any kind. Here, the first complaint of a Mac fanboy who tried the game because it's on a Mac, is about the EVE UI. That says it all. You tried this game for the wrong reasons, no wonder you were disappointed. Just because it's on a Mac, doesn't mean it will meet your needs. And just because it's on Windows, doesn't mean it will suck. Stupid fanbois. LOL hostile much? FWIW i am a RTS guy at heart, to me multiplayer means playing VS other players, playing alongside/under command of other players is not my style. Yeah i got hooked on the MMO thing with WoW, but i am looking for something with a little more. spaceships>elves anyday in my book as well. I wish EvE had been it, there are definitely some good folks here. i fly WITH 6-7 guys agianst 200k other people your point isnt really valid there
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.01.04 12:47:00 - [94] Originally by: Kahega Amielden Am I the only one who likes the UI? I also like the UI. There's a lot of functionality which could be added, but I like the basic style and actually always found it quite intuitive once I learned to right click anything and everything. If they ever make big changes to it I would like an option to keep it as is. - DesuSigs
Mag's MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.01.04 12:54:00 - [95] Originally by: Kithron I agree, the UI mostly sucks. It really needs some work. I agree, the mission variety is pretty small. Eve is not about PvE, it is about PvP and empire building. I agree, the death penalty is harsh. Life is harsh, it adds to realism and immersion. It also gives you something to fight for. I agree, the subscription durin 14 day trials should start AFTER the 14 days. Despite the points you have raised, this is the best MMO I have ever played. It is so immersive you end up thinking about it way too much out of game, even. If the UI ever gets a true revamp, Eve players may just ascend, becoming pure energy just to merge with the internet and live in Eve Space. :) This. The drone UI still sucks mega chubby. Mag's Originally by: Avernus One of these days, the realization that MASS is no longer significant will catch up with you.
DrAtomic Atomic Heroes Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.04 15:08:00 - [96] Originally by: Corvinae the UI hasn't really caught up with windows 98. Sadly that's a bit too much credit... I was going to say more like Windows 3.1 but in all honesty it resembles OS/2 more. - - - Originally by: CCP Wrangler If you can understand our goal, disagree with our solution and offer a solution that is equal or better your opinion has a better chance of being heard...
DrAtomic Atomic Heroes Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.04 15:08:00 - [97] Originally by: Jazzar Originally by: Ursula LeGuinn I do wish CCP would open up the UI to third-party modification. Would do wonders for the game. This. Quoted for truth! - - - Originally by: CCP Wrangler If you can understand our goal, disagree with our solution and offer a solution that is equal or better your opinion has a better chance of being heard...
Carinus	Posted - 2008.01.04 15:16:00 - [98] Agreed that the UI is quite horrible. Don't you just love how the menu options rearange themselves depending on what you right click on? If I had a nickle for every skill book that I've jettisoned by accident I'd have... a few...
Corvinae	Posted - 2008.01.04 15:24:00 - [99] Well thanks for the responses, I see the forum mods saw my post at least so I feel my real goal was met. A couple responses to points i feel deserve it... If there is more interesting content to be experienced, it's too bad the devs keep it so hidden. If i need to play for a couple of months before I can do anything worthwhile, the game needs to add something at least somewhat fun during that time. How can I even know if i will like PvP if I have to play for months before i even try. maybe i'm completely missing something, but there is no opportunity for any kind of low lvl pvp. ime telling nubs to go to an already overcrowded system like jita is just mean I have little interest in joining a corp or flying in giant fleet ops, again multiplayer to me means playing VS other players not so much on a team and playing alongside others. so much of that process is waiting around for everyone else. Maybe that is what I disliked the most really, so much waiting around. waiting to crawl up to the wreck to loot it, waiting for skill points to tick. Why can't you click on a wreck and have the option to loot everything to cargo? that seems the most glaring of oversights to make that operation take so many clicks.
Izo Azlion Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.01.04 15:28:00 - [100] Originally by: Corvinae Well thanks for the responses, I see the forum mods saw my post at least so I feel my real goal was met. A couple responses to points i feel deserve it... If there is more interesting content to be experienced, it's too bad the devs keep it so hidden. If i need to play for a couple of months before I can do anything worthwhile, the game needs to add something at least somewhat fun during that time. How can I even know if i will like PvP if I have to play for months before i even try. maybe i'm completely missing something, but there is no opportunity for any kind of low lvl pvp. ime telling nubs to go to an already overcrowded system like jita is just mean I have little interest in joining a corp or flying in giant fleet ops, again multiplayer to me means playing VS other players not so much on a team and playing alongside others. so much of that process is waiting around for everyone else. Maybe that is what I disliked the most really, so much waiting around. waiting to crawl up to the wreck to loot it, waiting for skill points to tick. Why can't you click on a wreck and have the option to loot everything to cargo? that seems the most glaring of oversights to make that operation take so many clicks. If your idea of a multiplayer game is You Vs the World, then you really are in the wrong place. EVE is about working together, enjoying others company, having a common goal - whatever it is, and however you do it - and just going along like that. Thats why theres no lvl 70 end game, and it doesnt attract the kind of people that steal that bit of armour you've been after for weeks with your 40 man raids, only so that you can chase the next bit of armour. shrug Izo Azlion. ---
Zel'Nei	Posted - 2008.01.04 15:28:00 - [101] Actually the UI looks more like Windows 2.0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_2.0
DrAtomic Atomic Heroes Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.04 15:31:00 - [102] Originally by: Corvinae Why can't you click on a wreck and have the option to loot everything to cargo? that seems the most glaring of oversights to make that operation take so many clicks. Actually you can... hidden again and hopefully you are not being hit by missiles when you try it but.... If you click the can and keep the mouse button pressed it shows sort of a quick action menu which includes an open container option. - - - Originally by: CCP Wrangler If you can understand our goal, disagree with our solution and offer a solution that is equal or better your opinion has a better chance of being heard...
Shevar Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2008.01.04 15:31:00 - [103] Originally by: Corvinae Well thanks for the responses, I see the forum mods saw my post at least so I feel my real goal was met. A couple responses to points i feel deserve it... If there is more interesting content to be experienced, it's too bad the devs keep it so hidden. If i need to play for a couple of months before I can do anything worthwhile, the game needs to add something at least somewhat fun during that time. How can I even know if i will like PvP if I have to play for months before i even try. maybe i'm completely missing something, but there is no opportunity for any kind of low lvl pvp. ime telling nubs to go to an already overcrowded system like jita is just mean I have little interest in joining a corp or flying in giant fleet ops, again multiplayer to me means playing VS other players not so much on a team and playing alongside others. so much of that process is waiting around for everyone else. Maybe that is what I disliked the most really, so much waiting around. waiting to crawl up to the wreck to loot it, waiting for skill points to tick. Why can't you click on a wreck and have the option to loot everything to cargo? that seems the most glaring of oversights to make that operation take so many clicks. Eve is a slow paced game and really not suited for everyone. I like it slow paced long term thingies though, and I really hope CCP will keep eve in the current niche it is in and not attempt to make it mainstream (how else can I keep my elitist bastard status?). I do disagree with your reasons but yes a lot of stuff is "hidden" (as in not given to you on a silver plate) but quite frankly even 2 mil SP characters can be an asset to PvP you just need to find the right corp to join. Anyways you tried it and you hated it, good luck finding the game you will enjoy. To bad earth and beyond (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_&_Beyond) isn't around anymore, I think you would have liked that more then EvE by reading your comments. --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
DrAtomic Atomic Heroes Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.04 15:33:00 - [104] Originally by: Zel'Nei Actually the UI looks more like Windows 2.0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_2.0 I challenge you to OS/2! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:OS2_Chess.PNG - - - Originally by: CCP Wrangler If you can understand our goal, disagree with our solution and offer a solution that is equal or better your opinion has a better chance of being heard...
Corvinae	Posted - 2008.01.04 15:41:00 - [105] Originally by: DrAtomic Originally by: Corvinae Why can't you click on a wreck and have the option to loot everything to cargo? that seems the most glaring of oversights to make that operation take so many clicks. Actually you can... hidden again and hopefully you are not being hit by missiles when you try it but.... If you click the can and keep the mouse button pressed it shows sort of a quick action menu which includes an open container option. it opens the cargo and then you have to select and drag the loot. I'm not saying i hated eve, it was money and time well spent IMO, i should mention i liked the tactical nature of the combat, the look of the game (discounting ui), the main concept is all very cool. I don't think I'm asking for anything on a silver platter, but a few hints in game would be nice.
Nur Vadenn Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.04 15:52:00 - [106] Originally by: Shadowsword Tbh, you haven't really tried the game until you have joined a decent corp... To be equally honest, finding and joining a decent corporation in EVE is sorta like looking for a needle in a haystack blindfolded with your hands tied behind your back while dangling upside down from the ceiling by your toes. Finding said corporation in your first month of playing EVE would require an act of god. The original poster's assessment of EVE is a fair one, and he should not be faulted for it. The points he raises is what keeps the game in a niche market. Some prefer this, and some don't.
Rhaegor Stormborn Volition Cult The Volition Cult	Posted - 2008.01.04 16:21:00 - [107] I agree the UI is terrible. I agree missions are boring and reptitive. That said, can I have your stuff? Rhaegor Stormborn Fleet Admiral - The Volition Cult
Zel'Nei	Posted - 2008.01.04 16:28:00 - [108] Originally by: DrAtomic Originally by: Zel'Nei Actually the UI looks more like Windows 2.0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_2.0 I challenge you to OS/2! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:OS2_Chess.PNG What about NeXTSTEP? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:NeXTSTEP_desktop.jpg
Zinras Caldari	Posted - 2008.01.04 16:30:00 - [109] Originally by: Nur Vadenn Originally by: Shadowsword Tbh, you haven't really tried the game until you have joined a decent corp... To be equally honest, finding and joining a decent corporation in EVE is sorta like looking for a needle in a haystack blindfolded with your hands tied behind your back while dangling upside down from the ceiling by your toes. Finding said corporation in your first month of playing EVE would require an act of god. The original poster's assessment of EVE is a fair one, and he should not be faulted for it. The points he raises is what keeps the game in a niche market. Some prefer this, and some don't. I managed to get a good one within a few days of joining the trial And later found an even better one when I started playing regularly But regarding the second one (my current corp) I did have an easier time, since the Danish EVE community is only 2.5% of the playerbase and many of the most active players center around one fansite
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.04 16:31:00 - [110] I came, I read, I laughed seriously the best part was where he/she said that the devs would be interested, then had absolutely nothing to say but that they didn't like the ui and hadn't really played the game Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2008.01.04 16:34:00 - [111] Originally by: Kahega Amielden Am I the only one who likes the UI? You and Crumplecorn, apparently. Really. It is that bad. A game that's at least 2 parts econ sim, and I can't have my corp orders up and simultaneously view a trend line on a commodity (nor can I draw my own facking trend lines). Anything involving corporate assets is utter *******s. I'm managing billions and I can't get so much as an automatic e-mail to notify me when deliveries hit a certain threshold? Why am I turning to other software applications and writing myself sticky notes for simple, everyday tasks when basic UI mods could parse this information for me without me having to deal with the associated tedium? And that's just my top-of-the-head kvetching. Given time, we could all name 100 needlessly complicated or counter-intuitive quirks of the UI. Assuming something limited with an open programming language, the players themselves can target the deficiencies. The UI gets cleaner and friendlier and CCP pays two guys to troubleshoot and bugfix instead of a dozen to recode the UI (or their current policy of zero people and we don't talk about it).
Thorek Ironbrow Ironbrow Industries Co. Empire Research	Posted - 2008.01.04 16:40:00 - [112] Originally by: Kithron I agree, the UI mostly sucks. It really needs some work. I agree, the mission variety is pretty small. Eve is not about PvE, it is about PvP and empire building. I agree, the death penalty is harsh. Life is harsh, it adds to realism and immersion. It also gives you something to fight for. I agree, the subscription durin 14 day trials should start AFTER the 14 days. Despite the points you have raised, this is the best MMO I have ever played. It is so immersive you end up thinking about it way too much out of game, even. If the UI ever gets a true revamp, Eve players may just ascend, becoming pure energy just to merge with the internet and live in Eve Space. :) /signed _____________________________ Thorek Ironbrow of Ironbrow Industries Co. Part of the Empire Research Alliance Look us up in Nomaa or Itamo to join!
Sin Fae Income Redistribution Service The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2008.01.04 17:04:00 - [113] I've played Eve since 2004, and have not done a single NPC mission, so can't really comment on variety :o) Originally by: Thorek Ironbrow Originally by: Kithron I agree, the UI mostly sucks. It really needs some work. I agree, the mission variety is pretty small. Eve is not about PvE, it is about PvP and empire building. I agree, the death penalty is harsh. Life is harsh, it adds to realism and immersion. It also gives you something to fight for. I agree, the subscription durin 14 day trials should start AFTER the 14 days. /signed
Angel DeMorphis Gallente	Posted - 2008.01.04 17:08:00 - [114] Edited by: Angel DeMorphis on 04/01/2008 17:11:25 Originally by: Corvinae If there is more interesting content to be experienced, it's too bad the devs keep it so hidden. Eve is a sandbox game. I don't know in how many places this is stated, but it is. This means the game itself doesn't give you goals. The game doesn't tell you that you need to do this and that and this to progress. If you choose to do missions, they'll give you some short goals, but not overarching goals or storyline. You make the story yourself. Half of the interesting content you can create yourself, you and/or your corp/alliance. That said, the other half is not just told to you in-game. Your first tutorial agents don't tell you, you need to try these things to have a true Eve experience. What the game does tell you is a bunch of game mechanics to get you started. There's tutorials that will explain briefly to find out some basics of most if not all of the things out there. You might need to go through the tutorials to discover what those are. There's tons of guides here on the forums or on the eve-online website to help you out, too. Quote: I have little interest in joining a corp or flying in giant fleet ops, again multiplayer to me means playing VS other players not so much on a team and playing alongside others. If you say you are bored playing this game solo, and you haven't even tried joining a corp then, (a) you haven't given the game a fair chance. The large majority of interesting things comes from having a corp to work together with. Also, (b) this game may not be for you. Some find interest in just mining in high sec, or mission running, solo their whole life, but mostly in Eve, you need to join a corp. How else are you going to be able to own a system of space, let alone a region? Who will come to your aid when you are on the short end of the stick? Quote: If i need to play for a couple of months before I can do anything worthwhile, the game needs to add something at least somewhat fun during that time. How can I even know if i will like PvP if I have to play for months before i even try. maybe i'm completely missing something, but there is no opportunity for any kind of low lvl pvp. You don't need to. You can be helpful from day one. Not as powerful, maybe, as those that have played for months or years, but still helpful. Most PvP might require you to be in a gang, and right out of the box you might be asked to be a tackler, but your comment here just proves you haven't even tried to find the answer before quitting. Can I have...? No, I don't want your stuff. My sig taken from this site, so thoroughly explains the people I speak with on the forums
Biggus Mammus	Posted - 2008.01.04 17:15:00 - [115] Can we have your address so we may send you a medal or something?
Rua Temples of Boom	Posted - 2008.01.04 17:18:00 - [116] You don't have to wait a few months at all. I have seen guys start trial accounts for the lulz and have them -5 and outlawed before the 14days was up. The only thing holding you back is your own game knowledge and skill. EVE is complex and hard to learn but saying you need 2 months to be useful is incorrect, you just need to be taught wtf you are doing.
Spoon Thumb Paladin Imperium	Posted - 2008.01.04 17:21:00 - [117] Edited by: Spoon Thumb on 04/01/2008 17:23:36 Originally by: Corvinae Recovering from a death is the most tedious PITA gameplay mechanic I have encountered in all my decades of gaming. Personally i'd like to see a more expensive insurance policy (only available to frigates and possibly small industrials) that returns a ship of the type you lost fitted with the basic tech versions of the modules you had fitted at the time you paid your insurance. i think this would make it a lot easier for new players to get the hang of the game. Eve was my first MMO, so everything else I play I generally go "Oh, this is too easy" But yeah the interface ain't the greatest, and whilst I have a lot of issues with Eve, the scope is what really keeps me playing. I can always find something else to try if I get bored with what I'm doing atm Khaldari khanidpublic: RP channel for Kingdom loyalists Recruting
Zathi Shaitan Minmatar Illiteracy Combatants	Posted - 2008.01.04 17:45:00 - [118] Originally by: Corvinae support CCP in it's efforts "it's" != "its" Originally by: Corvinae You don't want my stuff, it's crap. So is your spelling.
Nur Vadenn Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.04 17:59:00 - [119] Originally by: Zinras Originally by: Nur Vadenn Originally by: Shadowsword Tbh, you haven't really tried the game until you have joined a decent corp... To be equally honest, finding and joining a decent corporation in EVE is sorta like looking for a needle in a haystack blindfolded with your hands tied behind your back while dangling upside down from the ceiling by your toes. Finding said corporation in your first month of playing EVE would require an act of god. The original poster's assessment of EVE is a fair one, and he should not be faulted for it. The points he raises is what keeps the game in a niche market. Some prefer this, and some don't. I managed to get a good one within a few days of joining the trial And later found an even better one when I started playing regularly But regarding the second one (my current corp) I did have an easier time, since the Danish EVE community is only 2.5% of the playerbase and many of the most active players center around one fansite We are all occasionally blessed with luck. Experience says this is not the case for a large number of people.
Corvinae	Posted - 2008.01.04 18:03:00 - [120] Lol a medal. I'm just tossing it out there, don't try to pretend devs don't want to hear feedback. maybe i'm not the playerbase they are looking for. Certainly I'm a noob and I won't deny it. I'm just tossing my 2c out there :) Quote: How else are you going to be able to own a system of space, let alone a region? Why would I want to own space? O.0 maybe I'm just not cut out for the MMO thing, I don't understand why people would want to own houses either. I want to blow stuff up when I have time to play, not wait around on a whole crowd of people to get themselves organized. Quote: I've played Eve since 2004, and have not done a single NPC mission, so can't really comment on variety :o) What do you do? Please don't tell me mining cause that was unspeakable Quote: You don't have to wait a few months at all. I have seen guys start trial accounts for the lulz and have them -5 and outlawed before the 14days was up. Maybe I'm missing something, (again) but once outlawed that character is shut out of the npc economy, right? I don't see that as a wise move no ware is save from the spalling/ytpo cops i see

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