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Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.01.04 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Corvinae Well thanks for the responses, I see the forum mods saw my post at least so I feel my real goal was met.
A couple responses to points i feel deserve it...
If there is more interesting content to be experienced, it's too bad the devs keep it so hidden.
If i need to play for a couple of months before I can do anything worthwhile, the game needs to add something at least somewhat fun during that time. How can I even know if i will like PvP if I have to play for months before i even try. maybe i'm completely missing something, but there is no opportunity for any kind of low lvl pvp.
ime telling nubs to go to an already overcrowded system like jita is just mean
I have little interest in joining a corp or flying in giant fleet ops, again multiplayer to me means playing VS other players not so much on a team and playing alongside others. so much of that process is waiting around for everyone else.
Maybe that is what I disliked the most really, so much waiting around. waiting to crawl up to the wreck to loot it, waiting for skill points to tick.
Why can't you click on a wreck and have the option to loot everything to cargo? that seems the most glaring of oversights to make that operation take so many clicks.
At first it is maddening waiting for those oh-so basic skills to come in. I remember it well! (Cue obligatory "When i was a noob we started with 20k SP and LIKED IT"). But after a while, once you have some vital stuff to level 4 and you're in a half-decent frigate, you can kick back, and enjoy the fact that the game will still have new things for you to do in a year or 3 years. At first, like everyone, I wanted to get in to a cruiser, battlecruiser, battleship, carrier, titan ASAP NOW NOW NOW!
Luckily I met some good friends in the game, and now, after a year, I'm just starting to use T2 Cruisers...
Ditching the skillgrind is a true blessing, but you have to play for a little while to appreciate it.
As for hiding the content, well... some people LIKE having things to discover, rather than just knowing everything from the start.
As others have said: EvE is a long term game. Patience is a primary asset.
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |

Opel Astra
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Posted - 2008.01.04 18:14:00 -
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You see, you're obviously clueless, the point of EVE is to join a corp, build that corp up - be it pirating in lowsec, mining in highsec, or taking on the dev^H^H^H BoB in 0.0.
Really, once you're in 0.0 for long, you'll never want to go to Empire ever again.
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Letava
Gallente Mortis Angelus The Church.
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Posted - 2008.01.04 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: Corvinae
Quote: You don't have to wait a few months at all. I have seen guys start trial accounts for the lulz and have them -5 and outlawed before the 14days was up.
Maybe I'm missing something, (again) but once outlawed that character is shut out of the npc economy, right? I don't see that as a wise move
No, an outlaw is not restricted from any part of the game, although on entering 'safe' systems (0.5 or above) he will be shot by the faction's navy and sentry guns. I'm not really sure what you mean by the "NPC economy", NPCs sell very few items that would be of interest to an outlaw, and the ones that are can be bought in low sec (skillbooks and shuttles). Going outlaw is an inconvenience, but it need not be permanent and it doesn't prevent the outlaw from making money or buying items.
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CCP Mitnal

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Posted - 2008.01.04 18:59:00 -
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Moved to OOPE
Mitnal, Community Representative
EVE Online CCP Games Email/Netfang |
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Corvinae
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Posted - 2008.01.04 19:17:00 -
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Edited by: Corvinae on 04/01/2008 19:17:49 Edited by: Corvinae on 04/01/2008 19:17:27
Originally by: CCP Mitnal Moved to OOPE
right, i thought i was discussing eve :/
I'm out
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.04 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Corvinae Edited by: Corvinae on 04/01/2008 19:17:49 Edited by: Corvinae on 04/01/2008 19:17:27
Originally by: CCP Mitnal Moved to OOPE
right, i thought i was discussing eve :/
I'm out
All quitting posts are dumped down here now. As primarily an OOPE denizen, I am not particularly happy about my house being used as EVE-O's sewers... ------
Originally by: CCP Prism X There's no such thing as playing too much EvE! You all obviously need more accounts!
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.01.04 19:31:00 -
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haha that makes the op a sewer rat
well at least theres your dev response 
Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to:
"Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
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Ris Dnalor
Minmatar Ama-gi
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Posted - 2008.01.04 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: Kithron I agree, the UI mostly sucks. It really needs some work.
I agree, the mission variety is pretty small. Eve is not about PvE, it is about PvP and empire building.
I agree, the death penalty is harsh. Life is harsh, it adds to realism and immersion. It also gives you something to fight for.
I agree, the subscription durin 14 day trials should start AFTER the 14 days.
Despite the points you have raised, this is the best MMO I have ever played. It is so immersive you end up thinking about it way too much out of game, even. If the UI ever gets a true revamp, Eve players may just ascend, becoming pure energy just to merge with the internet and live in Eve Space. :)
this -- No love for the Matari |

Amarria Black
Clan Anthraxx
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Posted - 2008.01.04 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
Originally by: Corvinae Edited by: Corvinae on 04/01/2008 19:17:49 Edited by: Corvinae on 04/01/2008 19:17:27
Originally by: CCP Mitnal Moved to OOPE
right, i thought i was discussing eve :/
I'm out
All quitting posts are dumped down here now. As primarily an OOPE denizen, I am not particularly happy about my house being used as EVE-O's sewers...
Ahoy Patch.
Gotta find somewhere to hide the bodies, neh? I suppose the best revenge is continuing to have meaningful discussion in the morgue.
Too bad the meaningful parts get filed away with the smacktalk.
So, to get this completely off topic and earn the lock: is it just me, or is OOPE post-Jim McG tinfoil hat threads a little too quiet? 
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.01.04 19:37:00 -
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its because lofty is awol
Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to:
"Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.04 19:37:00 -
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Nah, we've had a resurgence of anti-American threads to keep us busy for the last week or two.
Still, Jim was fun. I especially liked the one about the crop circles. Wonder where he went? CIA? ------
Originally by: CCP Prism X There's no such thing as playing too much EvE! You all obviously need more accounts!
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SoftRevolution
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Posted - 2008.01.04 19:46:00 -
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Edited by: SoftRevolution on 04/01/2008 19:46:23
Originally by: Zel'Nei
Originally by: DrAtomic
Originally by: Zel'Nei Actually the UI looks more like Windows 2.0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_2.0
I challenge you to OS/2! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:OS2_Chess.PNG
What about NeXTSTEP? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:NeXTSTEP_desktop.jpg
NeXT had the best GUI evar. I am tempted to buy a Mac because it ripped it off wholesale (even if it did ***** out and add a desktop).
The OP has a couple of points but this is OOPE so whatever  EVE RELATED CONTENT |

Amarria Black
Clan Anthraxx
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Posted - 2008.01.04 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86 Nah, we've had a resurgence of anti-American threads to keep us busy for the last week or two.
Still, Jim was fun. I especially liked the one about the crop circles. Wonder where he went? CIA?
Sold to Jenny Mk. 03. 
That's what I get for going on vacation, I miss the America bashing.
T: Everyone, including Lofty, celebrates some end of year holiday.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.01.04 19:50:00 -
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the year ended? WTF no one tells me anything 
I need to get out of this cubicle
Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to:
"Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2008.01.04 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Corvinae If i need to play for a couple of months before I can do anything worthwhile, the game needs to add something at least somewhat fun during that time. How can I even know if i will like PvP if I have to play for months before i even try. maybe i'm completely missing something, but there is no opportunity for any kind of low lvl pvp.
Yes, you are missing something. Please watch this video: Low skillpoint piracy - Rifter. There is also a thread somewhere in the Crime and Punishment section of the forums about the life and times of a low-skilled pirate, describing the available skills and ships and their setups. And all this was possible before the new character skillpoint boost.
IMO you've been contaminated by the other MMO's mind-viruses and aren't looking past the simple PVE/prearranged-PVP possibilities of other games to see what the EVE's sandbox design is giving you. ...
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mamolian
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2008.01.04 22:05:00 -
[136]
Originally by: DrAtomic
Originally by: Jazzar
Originally by: Ursula LeGuinn I do wish CCP would open up the UI to third-party modification. Would do wonders for the game.
This.
Quoted for truth!
DO WANT!
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2008.01.04 22:08:00 -
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Sorry to hear you failed to see the game behind the UI.
--- Its dead, Jim.
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corroded
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Posted - 2008.01.04 23:59:00 -
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ui isnt as good as it could be, on that i agree.
the rest of the "hidden" stuff, well , you have to want to do something on your own accord in this game, you are rarely told what to do (or how to do it).
Well, not by the game anyway, some players try though.
point is, do whatever the heck you want.
a 2 day old can become a murderer, a 10 second old can become a trader.
the only thing thats static are the missions, but even that is still pretty loosely framed.
one major gripe i have with the ui:
Why the heck do you devs insist on putting the evil commands right next to the ones we use the most?
"return to bay" being right next to "abandon drone" reprocess, trash, eject, jettison, repackage etc etc etc.
put em all down at the bottom already.
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Benglada
Blood Corsair's Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.01.05 02:54:00 -
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i like the ui :S ---------------------------
Originally by: Arkanor
0.0 is the Final Frontier. Bring money and friends.
Sig nerfz0r - maximum allowed siz0r is 24000 bytz0r. - Devil ([email protected]) Sig By Ortos |

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.01.05 06:19:00 -
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Originally by: Corvinae Edited by: Corvinae on 04/01/2008 19:17:49 Edited by: Corvinae on 04/01/2008 19:17:27
Originally by: CCP Mitnal Moved to OOPE
right, i thought i was discussing eve :/
I'm out
when you leave the game you have to get out of your pod duh
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2008.01.05 09:31:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86 Still, Jim was fun. I especially liked the one about the crop circles. Wonder where he went? CIA?
Probably the last corporation on earth I would want to work for. Does the CIA make the world a better or worse place? So far, they seem to be working on scaring americans with the fake bin laden tapes and doing a fine job at it. Wonder when they will confess the man has been dead since 2001. Probably when the next president takes over and Bush is tanning in Florida... 
--- Its dead, Jim.
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Daelin Blackleaf
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.01.05 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Mitnal Moved to OOPE
Why?
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Amarria Black
Clan Anthraxx
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Posted - 2008.01.06 05:48:00 -
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Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf
Originally by: CCP Mitnal Moved to OOPE
Why?
Because the word "quit" trumps five pages of EVE-related discussion.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.06 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Patch86 Still, Jim was fun. I especially liked the one about the crop circles. Wonder where he went? CIA?
Probably the last corporation on earth I would want to work for. Does the CIA make the world a better or worse place? So far, they seem to be working on scaring americans with the fake bin laden tapes and doing a fine job at it. Wonder when they will confess the man has been dead since 2001. Probably when the next president takes over and Bush is tanning in Florida... 
I didn't mean working for them  ------
Originally by: CCP Prism X There's no such thing as playing too much EvE! You all obviously need more accounts!
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Sister Impotentata
Elite Angels Of Death
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Posted - 2008.01.06 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Patch86 Still, Jim was fun. I especially liked the one about the crop circles. Wonder where he went? CIA?
Probably the last corporation on earth I would want to work for. Does the CIA make the world a better or worse place? So far, they seem to be working on scaring americans with the fake bin laden tapes and doing a fine job at it. Wonder when they will confess the man has been dead since 2001. Probably when the next president takes over and Bush is tanning in Florida... 
Really? I can't remember the last CIA press release that scared me. Oh wait. I can't remember any CIA press releases. Perhaps that's because the CIA doesn't address the people. If something the CIA discovered scares you, you have only the politicians they brief to blame. ----- TANSTAAFL
Originally by: BB Lazy Lob and Crazy Cob are weaving webs to wind me. I am far more sweet than other meat, but still they cannot find me!
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N Ano
G.B.H.D
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Posted - 2008.01.07 00:08:00 -
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i came, i read, i got bored, i left sig coming soon tm |

Shionoya Risa
The Xenodus Initiative. Overclockers Podpilot Services
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Posted - 2008.01.07 00:19:00 -
[147]
Originally by: mamolian
Originally by: DrAtomic
Originally by: Jazzar
Originally by: Ursula LeGuinn I do wish CCP would open up the UI to third-party modification. Would do wonders for the game.
This.
Quoted for truth!
DO WANT!
I want more.  -----
Quote: Argh! Natural light, get it off me! Get it off me!
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