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KIAHicks
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Posted - 2004.03.21 14:15:00 -
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As I type this, I'm logged in and chatting away in eve from, shock horror, linux :)
Major pain to get it to work, but for those who are intrested... grab the pthreaded cvs version of winex. Install eve using winex then edit the eve prefs.ini file and set the alphagain to 1 and full screen to 0 and widescreen to 0. When you then run eve.exe with cvswine it will load as a flat white screen. You have to know where to click on the user/pass word boxes to login, but once you've done that everything works :)
Well, ok so still a few probs, ie can't get the mouse cursor to show :( and the window borders are white (including menu). but it does mean you can login and chat while your busy doing things in linux.. and if your needed always reboot to windows to help out :)
Over time the suport should get better as well, so long as ccp don't use too many more of the directx 9 options :(
Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
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KIAHicks
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Posted - 2004.03.21 14:17:00 -
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btw if anyone finds out why the login screen is flat white and can solve that problem give me a shout as that will probably be why the main windows when playing are white.. If we can resolve that then I can play eve in linux properly, rather than just training skills/chatting :)
Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
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Dust Puppy
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Posted - 2004.03.21 14:20:00 -
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Awesome work Hicks, now if I only can find an half decent computer 
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Lao Tzu
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Posted - 2004.03.21 15:43:00 -
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Roxor, time to get my Gentoo partion back in use
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S3VYN
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Posted - 2004.03.21 18:04:00 -
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I would LOVE to see a CCP released EVE client for Linux. It's what the servers run on from what I understand, I would think it would be a natural extension of that development.
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AlCapone
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Posted - 2004.03.21 19:16:00 -
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Great job KIAHicks.
do you can play without any bigger Probs?? Do PvP and Mining ?
If yes I can go and definitly kill WINSUCKS on my box.
Thanxs
AlCapone
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2004.03.21 19:24:00 -
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I would LOVE to see a CCP released EVE client for Linux. It's what the servers run on from what I understand, I would think it would be a natural extension of that development.
Actually, the servers run windows.
Hicks, great news & job though, I'm gonna save a few gigs for my gentoo partitions when I get my new HDD tomorrow.
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haggis
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Posted - 2004.03.21 19:54:00 -
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I would LOVE to see a CCP released EVE client for Linux. It's what the servers run on from what I understand, I would think it would be a natural extension of that development.
I'd rather them go for a variety of unix systems, or do it so that it would be easy to port to other unixes, that way they could tap into that mac user base... I have a mac, and only just built my pc, and whilst owning that mac, I know I would jump at the opportunity to play a mmorpg, so they should be able to get quite a few players from doing that...
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KIAHicks
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Posted - 2004.03.21 20:14:00 -
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atm I'm just using it to log in and chat etc while doing other stuff. Only reason I have windows installed is eve and cod, everything else I do in linux. I wouldn't dare to mine/pvp with it running in linux atm though, not until the directx 9 support improves.
Still at least its possible to keep an eye on whats happening whilst working :)
Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
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IZON
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Posted - 2004.03.21 20:18:00 -
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w00t! now that's a research breakthrough 
"...master! there's a guy in the south village called IZON, he is a Ninja!" |
Jolo
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Posted - 2004.03.21 20:19:00 -
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The servers and clients are totally different. If they server even ran on a unix platform, that doesn't mean it's easy to port the client to unix.
The more and more we use DX9, the less and less you will see unix clients.
If you want to bother someone about it. Bother the WineX dev team to make the directX9 implimentation perfect.
It comes down to the old argument:
Why spend money, time, effort, resources on developing AND maintaining a client for ~1% of the user base. It doesn't make sense really.
Your best bet is to bug wineX or join thier mail list and contribute somehow.
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AlCapone
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Posted - 2004.03.21 21:24:00 -
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Jolo, yes 1% is not much and I would like to see a vote for that so that ccp could see how many people would like it and if we get 20-30% we would defnitly have a better chance.
And yes they should think about a Mac version too, since not many mmorpg`s are out for it and i think 1-2k more users would be possible for them.
So maybe CCP should think of a vote for Linux and Mac and see how many players would like to have it.
And they only need to make a nativ unix version which will run under every Distri wihtout big problems
cya
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Neslo
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Posted - 2004.03.21 22:31:00 -
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nice job hicks!
hmmm eve research agent hicks... I can see it now!
From Ashes to Ashes... From Dust to Dust....
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Jolo
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Posted - 2004.03.21 22:47:00 -
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Jolo, yes 1% is not much and I would like to see a vote for that so that ccp could see how many people would like it and if we get 20-30% we would defnitly have a better chance.
And yes they should think about a Mac version too, since not many mmorpg`s are out for it and i think 1-2k more users would be possible for them.
So maybe CCP should think of a vote for Linux and Mac and see how many players would like to have it.
And they only need to make a nativ unix version which will run under every Distri wihtout big problems
cya
There are many problems with supporting other formats.
*You have to hire new customer service representatives and TRAIN THEM to understand how to support mac/unix versions.
*Linux has at least 10 major (and 100+ minor) distro's. You would have to TRAIN staff to support EVERY one. Also, you'd have to train them how to handle problems with linux installs. Because a lot of people who use linux, SHOULDNT be using it and don't know what's really going on. The tech support would have to know how to fix peoples gtk installs, or all that junk.
It would be a disaster for CCP to try and attempt a UNIX client now. That's just my 2 bits.
It would be fesasble if they hired a third party developer to do it who has the C.S. infrastructure to handle the unix questions and developers who can do DX9 stuff. Same goes for MAC.
Anyway. I have using unix for almost 10 years.
But i'd never want a unix game client. Unix is for the server land. I'm still waiting to be impressed by a desktop unix.
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haggis
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Posted - 2004.03.21 23:42:00 -
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Jolo, yes 1% is not much and I would like to see a vote for that so that ccp could see how many people would like it and if we get 20-30% we would defnitly have a better chance.
And yes they should think about a Mac version too, since not many mmorpg`s are out for it and i think 1-2k more users would be possible for them.
So maybe CCP should think of a vote for Linux and Mac and see how many players would like to have it.
And they only need to make a nativ unix version which will run under every Distri wihtout big problems
cya
There are many problems with supporting other formats.
*You have to hire new customer service representatives and TRAIN THEM to understand how to support mac/unix versions.
*Linux has at least 10 major (and 100+ minor) distro's. You would have to TRAIN staff to support EVERY one. Also, you'd have to train them how to handle problems with linux installs. Because a lot of people who use linux, SHOULDNT be using it and don't know what's really going on. The tech support would have to know how to fix peoples gtk installs, or all that junk.
It would be a disaster for CCP to try and attempt a UNIX client now. That's just my 2 bits.
It would be fesasble if they hired a third party developer to do it who has the C.S. infrastructure to handle the unix questions and developers who can do DX9 stuff. Same goes for MAC.
Anyway. I have using unix for almost 10 years.
But i'd never want a unix game client. Unix is for the server land. I'm still waiting to be impressed by a desktop unix.
Off-topic, but, you haven't liked ANY of the window managers/desktop thingies? I quite liked KDE when I was running freeBSD.
As for the customer support, then ccp could simply just support one flavour of linux and mac OSX (because, I find, OSX is the most user-friendly OS out there, you wouldn't really need to do much customer-service training), allow customers to run it under other OSes, but explain that they are not supported.
Also, it would benefit ccp in ways other than a larger player-base, it would greatly improve their reputation, people respect companies that support unixes, and there is a rather large hardcore mac fraternity who won't stop banging on about it (a good mmorpg would be their first line of defence when it comes down to the old 'macs have no games' argument). Basically, it provides good publicity for the company, alot of people see microsoft as evil, any company that supports non-microsoft oses often gets similiar recognition to eco-friendly companies, in the eyes of many geeks, anyway.
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2004.03.21 23:51:00 -
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As much as I would like it, it's just not realistic. you'd have to port all of the DX9 stuff to opengl equivalent, port network code, threading, etc. Then you have sound drivers, do you wanna go oss or alsa.
Better to fix current bugs and add more stuff in Windows version, then to worry about linux one, IMHO
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Shaqan
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Posted - 2004.03.22 14:20:00 -
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So, did anyone else manage this? Getting my "EVE-pc" later this week, and it seems like I'll save some gigs for a linux install.
/me crosses his fingers
Disclaimer: above text is written to express my thoughts about this subject, and are not an attack on anybody. Spelling errors may occur frequently, and will always do, please do not comment -i know. |
Scorpyn
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Posted - 2004.03.22 14:50:00 -
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This is VERY good news - I'll install gentoo asap (not today, busy with other stuff ) and try to fix the remaining problems if possible
My linux install is kind of broken atm (hardware upgrades, windows reinstalls wiping the bootsector and so on), otherwise I'd tried the cvs version of winex some time ago...
Off topic : Linux desktop stuff has come a long way. No desktop manager is perfect, and some ppl shouldn't use linux - but on the other hand, many ppl shouldn't use Windows either. There are not really that many ppl using linux that can't handle it (afaik).
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KIAHicks
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Posted - 2004.03.22 15:06:00 -
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I don't think its worth ccp looking into supporting linux really, since the devs already have the on-going task of improving the client and adding new features. IT would require a seperate team to handle porting, and that would be an additional cost, which considering those of us who would like to see a linux client already play under windows, is just not economical.
Although I'd love to see a linux client, its probably a way too much work to port the code over. However, support isn't really an issue, you'd just do what other game companies do. Provide an unsupported version for linux :)
I think in the long run we will have to wait for transgaming to improve their directx support, until then I wouldn't recommend undocking in linux :P
On another note, ut2004 is out and has a native linux installer included :)
Who knows though, 3 to 4 years down the line when eve2 comes out :) Maybe they'll include seperate clients with native support for windows, mac and linux.
Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
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xor
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Posted - 2004.03.24 12:10:00 -
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awesome.. now to get it working in non-noob unix.. :) |
The Enslaver
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Posted - 2004.03.24 12:33:00 -
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Actually, the servers run windows.
That explains an incredible amount.
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Rizzler
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Posted - 2004.04.14 14:47:00 -
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KIAHicks, can you please give us your winex config file and compile options and prefs.ini file. Ive been trying getting it to work but it doesnt work, install will complain about plugins dir and a preinstalled eve will just crash without any message.
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poldi
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Posted - 2004.05.17 20:40:00 -
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Yes, id love to get that prefs.ini and config too.
I cant get it to run, it alwasy crashes either on the character creation screen, or - after i created a character on windows - the screen, where you can select the character after loggin in.
loggin in is pretty easy btw:
1. set username in prefs.ini
2. wait for the white screen
3. click into the white like 2 or 3 times
4. press enter twice
- now an error comparing about password should appear -
5. press enter again.
6. enter password
7. press enter again
and there you go .... on my machine it crashes just the moment i want to click on the character.
anybody resolved this?
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Cortex Reaver
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Posted - 2004.05.17 21:18:00 -
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I have two URLs that adequately describe you Linux dorks:
http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2003-06-30&res=l
http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2002-01-28&res=l
"I can make the game run like sh!t under Linux!"
You're my freak'n hero!
-CR
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Deprave
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Posted - 2004.05.17 23:24:00 -
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supporting multiple clients wouldn't be needed if they'd used open systems platforms to start with.. any software developer that these days uses OS dependant technologies are twits.
a linux client isn't nearly as important to me as an OSX one.. I way perher to use my mac then a stinking PC.
The person saying linux would be hard to support because the the different distros obviously doesn't understand what distro's really are, linux kernel + user space apps.. they don't change the technology any.
If CCP did a poll i think they'd be supprised at the demand on other platforms.. and did you ever stop to think that the ~1% figure is only of the current userbase, obviously there are people without multiple machines using OSX that don't have a choice of playing..
I would be very tempted to move to games that support my platform for no other reason then that they actually do support it.
as for training staff hogswash, they don't support the client they've got.. that logic doesn't even come into play.. I'm yet to see someone that actaully works for ccp.
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Fuse
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Posted - 2004.05.17 23:41:00 -
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Macs suck. So does Linux when it comes to sound drivers. You damn flower smelling hippies. |
Odaroff
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Posted - 2004.05.17 23:49:00 -
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Strange, I have less problems with my SB Audigy X-Gamer under Linux than I do under Windows XP Pro.
I guess you just aren't qualified to run an operating system that requires computer knowledge.
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Trianon Starstealer
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Posted - 2004.05.18 00:24:00 -
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Edited by: Trianon Starstealer on 18/05/2004 00:26:02
I would guess that it's a framebuffer issue, but it's been a long time since I've done any graphics programming in Linux so I could be wrong. Try a different window manager, I've found some handle graphics slightly better than others.
As for those that ridicule Linux Graphics and sound......... you probably pulled an MSCE Cert off the toilet roll in the local public lav and now consider yourself an expert. If you knew what you were talking about you would know why X is a far superior and far more flexible windowing system.... as for sound..... Audigy XGamer sounds stunning in every game I've played.... there is little or no difference between the sound quality on Linux and that on Windows.
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Fuse
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Posted - 2004.05.18 00:57:00 -
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Originally by: Odaroff
Strange, I have less problems with my SB Audigy X-Gamer under Linux than I do under Windows XP Pro.
I guess you just aren't qualified to run an operating system that requires computer knowledge.
I am just pointing out that the Linux driver library is lagging. Not all vendors support Linux and that does not make it bad but allot more work.
I guess you just aren't qualified to run and operating system that my 7 year old niece can run.
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Cortex Reaver
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Posted - 2004.05.18 14:24:00 -
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Edited by: Cortex Reaver on 18/05/2004 18:43:12
Drop the anti-Microsoft j!had. It's not becoming and quite frankly, makes you look like a fool to anyone with any real technical saavy. The ability to install the Linux Distro du jour, doesn't make you "1337." Infact, the browsing statistics collected on /. basically prove that the average Linux zealot actually runs Windows with a picture of Tux as their wallpaper.
I'm all for multi-platform clients. Infact, my primary OS at home and my preffered OS for most tasks is FreeBSD. My favorite OS, however, is the one that's right for the job. Argue with that!
The real problem in going forward with a viable multi-platform game client is the lack of a decent graphics API. OpenGL filled the role for a long time, but the world has really passed it by. It simply can't handle the lighting and shading features today's gamers demand. Even Id Software (John Carmack), a long time OpenGL devotee has recognized this. The engine for Doom III will be an OpenGL/DirectX-9 hybrid in order to achieve the desired effect.
If your time is so useless, that you wanna waste it trying to get DirectX working under Wine, then go for it. My freetime is in short supply and valuable, therefore I'd rather spend it playing EVE on a stable platform, and by your own admission, EVE under Wine is far from stable.
I want to add that since the game has gone retail, I've had exactly *ONE* CTD on my XP box. The stability of any platform really has more to do with the skill of the person administering the box than the avocacy ji!had that its owner is on.
-CR
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