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Lord Frost
Minmatar
The Crystal Method
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Posted - 2008.01.13 06:17:00 -
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CCP, you really have to check yourself before you wreck yourself. Speed IS NOT the rule in Eve! I can't believe for the love of God you guys don't nerf this lame tactic out of existence. I didn't start this game to have it evolve into a Need For Speed IV. No one in their right mind makes any sci-fi game or movie and has speed play such a big role. Okay, well maybe "Tron". But come one people... get real.
This is done and beyond any form of fun gameplay anymore. You have all these mods, all these weapons, all these defenses, and you make SPEED the number one choice for all pvpers. Geeeee... let's go fight... zip zip zippy... can't catch me... weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. One man knocking off a dozen people one-by-one cause he's got an uber wtfpwnage piece of turd lame ship and tactic.
Anyway you slice it... speed is just a fancy warpcore stabilizer... and we all know that got nerfed big time. Its TIME to slow down.
Pick on me all you want... all you forum chestpoppers. I may not be able to catch your ship, but atleast I don't search out the muppet tactic of all and beat it like a dead horse.
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Amarria Black
Clan Anthraxx
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Posted - 2008.01.13 06:22:00 -
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 Originally by: Lord Frost
CCP, you really have to check yourself before you wreck yourself.
As much as I might agree that speed is a bit cheap, this sentence just ruins the whole argument.
Next time, try to be less wiggidy wiggidy wack, yo.
Originally by: Frug
Your reputation has been entirely redeemed in my eyes. I now want your babies.
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Lord Frost
Minmatar
The Crystal Method
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Posted - 2008.01.13 06:33:00 -
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Sup nephew?... Don't be a hater man... hate the game, don't hate the player... wad up, yo? Keepa *****alackin' foo.
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Condecinte
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Posted - 2008.01.13 06:40:00 -
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You are right but this thread is gonna get flamed to hell by the speed guys. As for balancing speed, I believe a dev said during a recent live dev blog that it was something that was coming in the future. Speed is not clever outside the box thinking, it's what everybody seems to be thinking and speed only encourages more speed until nobody flies anything but nano ships.
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Richard Phallus
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Posted - 2008.01.13 06:51:00 -
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Originally by: Condecinte
You are right but this thread is gonna get flamed to hell by the speed guys.
I wouldn't want to be ****ing off the tweakers, all jacked up on speed rockin' back and forth wearing night vision goggles and cradling a pistol.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.01.13 06:56:00 -
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lol speed nerf thread.
Originally by: Richard Phallus
 Come live with the common idiot, it's more fun down here.
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Susa Ou
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Posted - 2008.01.13 07:00:00 -
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I agree, speed is out of hand in eve. There are three ways to fix it imo: 1) is to simply nurf it - but this is not the best option, 2) is to make the drawbacks such that combat ships need to sacrifice more for their speed - this is the balance approach which CCP has been a poor record on, 3) allow joy-sticks and camera options to ssupport it (3rd person snap-back views and such). . .
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Karyuudo Tydraad
Caldari
Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services
The Acquisition
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Posted - 2008.01.13 07:00:00 -
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Switch the word "speed" to "tank," "gank," or "EW," switch a couple words around and you got a completely different whine thread with equivalent arguments. Is there some template for these things I'm not aware of?
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Richard Phallus
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Posted - 2008.01.13 07:01:00 -
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Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad
Is there some template for these things I'm not aware of?
Yes. The eve forums are just a giant mad-libs.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.01.13 07:04:00 -
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Originally by: Richard Phallus
Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad
Is there some template for these things I'm not aware of?
Yes. The eve forums are just a giant mad-libs.
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Originally by: Richard Phallus
Come live with the common idiot, it's more fun down here.
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Thommy
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Posted - 2008.01.13 07:16:00 -
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This like many other problems has an counter side also affected by changeing this then just the pvp side aspect of it.
Remember that alot of stuff is now taken into deadspaces and the best thing you can use there is an afterburner.
It would such that whenever you feel like doing an mission, exploration complex or anything that takes place in an deadspace pocket you would need more time to achieve the same.
It is an very wide heard complaint from alot of people that alot of things in eve allready take quite some time to do (most people got used to it but there are only a few things that can be done right away without long wait times).
I think that if this part also becomes an "i have to grab an cup of coffee because this distance will take me several minutes" alot of people would get annoyed even more (perhaps even includeing the people who disliked speed in the first place but didnt realised the counter argument for it).
With most things its usually an smaller group that uses the specific tactic for their advantage but depending on how it goes it might become the flavour of the day.
In this case the initial investment is huge as far as i can see anyway so not every wanabee can jump in it right away and when killed its an big smack in the face for the isk figures do not lie about it in the most extreme cases.
I think if ever this would be nerfed it shouldnt nerfed stats wise this time but instead an counter module or deployable which creates an deadspace of somekind rendering MWD's less effective (but still usable).
Somewhere arround afterburner levels and then it wouldnt be much of an problem i think.
Lets see what other people think about this proposal 
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Lord Frost
Minmatar
The Crystal Method
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Posted - 2008.01.13 07:43:00 -
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Simple... nerf 10mn and 100mn mwds in half... let the frigs and ceptors do their job. I'm sick and tired of this being an issue.
BIG SHIPS SHOULD NOT GO THAT FAST!
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CHAOS100
Momentum.
The Reckoning.
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Posted - 2008.01.13 07:54:00 -
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I DUN GIT IT, WHY I NEED TO FIT WEBZ?
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Zeba
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.01.13 07:56:00 -
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I just realized how ironic this thread is given the Op's sig.
Originally by: Richard Phallus
Come live with the common idiot, it's more fun down here.
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cal nereus
Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.01.13 08:14:00 -
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Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad
Switch the word "speed" to "tank," "gank," or "EW," switch a couple words around and you got a completely different whine thread with equivalent arguments. Is there some template for these things I'm not aware of?
I think there were a couple threads a while back that posted the template. Don't worry, I try to forget it exists too.
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Maraude Fury
Minmatar
Shadow Of The Light
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Posted - 2008.01.13 08:17:00 -
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Speed is very easy to counter. A hugin. Don't have one, find one/train one. Nuff said. Works quite well.
Maraude Fury
CEO: Shadow Of The Light
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Kasmir
Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.01.13 08:42:00 -
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i'm willing to bet 10mil isk (well i could bet more, but i'm cheap ) that you just got pwned by a vagabond. I agree these things are a pain. One time i was in gang of around 10 corp mates and we were fighting one of them. the guy was having a field day; flew in killed a ship, and flew out of range. anything bigger than a frigate couldn't lock him fast enough before he flew off. i managed to take him down to 1/2 shield with my AF (holy crap! is this a use for them?!)when he came to get me. These are like smaller nano ships - which were a pain - the only way to kill them is with a huginn as someone mentioned. you gotta fight fire with fire in eve; t2 cruiser to kill a t2 cruiser. but unfortunately not everyone has fire.
why does minmatar go fast? they are flimsy, they should be newfed so that their engines fall off when they go too fast or sometin 
ooooo ps; guess whose gonna train minmatar cruiser lvl 5
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Everyone Dies
Caldari
Lucky Tampon
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Posted - 2008.01.13 08:55:00 -
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I agree nerf all hacs and recons, increase mass and decrease agility by 200% and stack snake and hardwiring implants/ polycarbon rigs.
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Speed Tanker
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Posted - 2008.01.13 09:13:00 -
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Huh, what's wrong with speed? Hell, junks of my ship fall off every time I undock - least you can do is let me go fast! 
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Arachidamia
The Ninja Coalition
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Posted - 2008.01.13 09:16:00 -
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Originally by: Maraude Fury
Speed is very easy to counter. A hugin. Don't have one, find one/train one. Nuff said. Works quite well.
I dunno.... when the only counter to a tactic is a rapier/huginn... it tells me something is broken.
I think there is a place for nano gangs... I just think right now they're just far too easy an option to take. But then perhaps I'm biased, because I find nano after nano after nano to be mind numbingly boring to fight.
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Marshall Zhukov
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Posted - 2008.01.13 09:21:00 -
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The only thing I have a slight complaint about is microwarp drives. They shouldnt function as super-afterburners and maybe just work as a very fast solar system warp drive which makes more sense.
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sakana
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.01.13 09:50:00 -
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Bitter much?
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Zaqar
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Posted - 2008.01.13 09:55:00 -
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DroneBay Diva
The Fated
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.01.13 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Frost
CCP, you really have to check yourself before you wreck yourself.
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Serious Rikk
Species 5618
Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2008.01.13 10:47:00 -
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Originally by: Arachidamia
Originally by: Maraude Fury
Speed is very easy to counter. A hugin. Don't have one, find one/train one. Nuff said. Works quite well.
I dunno.... when the only counter to a tactic is a rapier/huginn... it tells me something is broken.
I think there is a place for nano gangs... I just think right now they're just far too easy an option to take. But then perhaps I'm biased, because I find nano after nano after nano to be mind numbingly boring to fight.
The fact that there are other ways to counter them for pilots/fc's that think outside standard ship fits suggests to me they are not really broken at all. Just mount more of a challenge to win.
(I don't fly one by the way, and I have died to them more than once, and been in small gangs that have killed them more than once.)
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Tzar'rim
Minmatar
Reckless Corsairs
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Posted - 2008.01.13 10:53:00 -
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nano=WCS
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Estephania
Independent Political Analysts
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Posted - 2008.01.13 10:56:00 -
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This thread is a whine, but the OP has a valid ground for this. Nano is the new PvP standard. It is not thinking out of the box for a long time already. Everyone and their dog fly one. I'm sck and tired of those fanbois telling everyone to train Minmatar or to get a Huginn (which is virtually the same). Lets all fly Minmatar nano-ships and Huginns (or even better yet - nano-Huginns), that will greatly increase the fun and enjoyment of the game.
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Everyone Dies
Caldari
Lucky Tampon
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Posted - 2008.01.13 11:01:00 -
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Originally by: Estephania
This thread is a whine, but the OP has a valid ground for this. Nano is the new PvP standard. It is not thinking out of the box for a long time already. Everyone and their dog fly one. I'm sck and tired of those fanbois telling everyone to train Minmatar or to get a Huginn (which is virtually the same). Lets all fly Minmatar nano-ships and Huginns (or even better yet - nano-Huginns), that will greatly increase the fun and enjoyment of the game.
QFMFT
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Zaerlorth Maelkor
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Posted - 2008.01.13 11:05:00 -
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The problem is as other people have stated with MWD's
Cut 10mn MWD to 2/3 and 100mn MWD to 1/2 of what they are now
And perhaps add some stacking nerfs to snake set->polycarbs/nanofibers. Interceptors will still do a nice job, but no more 10km/s cruisers or 6km/s battleships. You're still able to put together a fairly fast hac gang, but not invincible anymore, and other options will become viable.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
mUfFiN fAcToRy
Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.01.13 11:06:00 -
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Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 13/01/2008 11:06:51
We always have a huginn/rapier in our ops... sometimes nano ships get away, sometimes they don't. Seems fine to me, also nanoed out industrials save a lot of cargo now that heavy dictors make WCS obsolete so you're going to get the hauler pilots freaking out.
*Edit* Invincible HAC gang...
Originally by: Tarminic
Okay, that's it. You are on the KOS list, and you better pray that I don't have access to a locater agent. 
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