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Don Guru Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.01.30 15:57:00 - [241] Originally by: Belija'al there is one thing the Coalition do not understand. BoB is legend, BoB is the role model of all alliances at the moment out there. everybody is copiing bob or wants to be like them. this makes bob legend. even if you defeat delve, the legend you will never defeat. it took whole eve to do something against bob. everybody knows that no matter what goons claim. OK. Tell yourself that, but concider: firstly: Stain Alliance was the first. They invented the concept of an alliance. secondly: Curse Alliance was -THE- PVP alliance. Ask yourself this: Do you want all of eve to attack you? Are you all about pvp? Do you post ******** smacktalking on the forums? If yes to all then: You're a CA wannabe. Yadda yadda this is my alt.
amagonsan Minmatar Perpetual Reality Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.30 15:59:00 - [242] Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Originally by: thoth foc The question mark is rhetorical. BoB is going down the drain and being smartasses on Eve-O isn't an alternative either (as seen here or in QY6 local some BoB members, read DICE members, are *****ing up even more so) as it won't win you anything, but more so make you lose even more. Game mechanics make you win gate camps with drones and lose undefended POSes in the same time. There's nothing more to think about it, it works as intended, but not for BoB anymore. You'd better sit and think what put BoB in this position, first. The hypotheses that BoB likes the current state is not to be applied. If you don't find the answer, I don't care. The answer is simple: they let their pets/allies fall. Had their allies still been coherent/alive, things would have been diffrent.. And still there are many ways for BoB to "win".. They first of all have to search and negotiate with other alliances to become allies (the time that alliances will present them selfs to you and ask you for an ally has past). And they have to work together with them, protecting each others space/assets/ships. Only then i see a future for BoB. And yes that means letting go of that "i'm better then the rest" additude...
Baxalusx GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.30 16:00:00 - [243] Edited by: Baxalusx on 30/01/2008 16:03:32 Originally by: thoth foc It's true.. DICE wants to make friends and hold hands just like goonies.. we'd love to so many allies that it's harder to find a red than an isk farmer.. but instead we make all the nice little reds blow up.. and then ppl dont like us.. it makes us sad panda's We used to have lots of targets, but you all died or docked up. edit: Except for the hour a day you come out to hide in a POS shield or droneblob. edit the second: even hiding in POS shields hasn't worked out too well for you lately --------- ~THE ARTIST FORMERLY KNOWN AS ICORION~
Beatrix Thief Caldari Dutch T2 Production	Posted - 2008.01.30 16:20:00 - [244] Originally by: Belija'al BoB is legend, BoB is the role model of all alliances at the moment out there. omg you've got it high in your head. BOB is no legend just another alliance.
Moctobot GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.30 16:23:00 - [245] Edited by: Moctobot on 30/01/2008 16:23:25 Originally by: thoth foc Edited by: thoth foc on 30/01/2008 15:49:55 Originally by: Moctobot actually goonfleet is horrible at this game i suppose one could say that we are the dice of the rmf It's true.. DICE wants to make friends and hold hands just like goonies.. we'd love to so many allies that it's harder to find a red than an isk farmer.. but instead we make all the nice little reds blow up.. and then ppl dont like us.. it makes us sad panda's maybe if your diplomats were not pants on head 'tarded you would get to have friends ^_^
thoth foc Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2008.01.30 16:34:00 - [246] Edited by: thoth foc on 30/01/2008 16:35:59 Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam The question mark is rhetorical. BoB is going down the drain and being smartasses on Eve-O isn't an alternative either (as seen here or in QY6 local some BoB members, read DICE members, are ***ing up even more so) as it won't win you anything, but more so make you lose even more. Game mechanics make you win gate camps with drones and lose undefended POSes in the same time. There's nothing more to think about it, it works as intended, but not for BoB anymore. You'd better sit and think what put BoB in this position, first. The hypotheses that BoB likes the current state is not to be applied. If you don't find the answer, I don't care. welp! i'm a bad bad person.. DICE (read... me) are having great fun at your expense.. like most of BOB, we have been around too long for the "OMG your dead" arguements.. and the worst type of propaganda is the type that fails as obviously as yours does.. "your being a smartass" -- "omg really!?!?!" "your going down the drain!" -- "cooooooooooool!1!1" "your *ing up!!!!" -- "yeah.. i can see the stress!" please try harder Originally by:** Moctobot maybe if your diplomats were not pants on head 'tarded you would get to have friends ^_^ I wont have a bad word said about siddy.. his qualities for the role of diplomat are second to none! _________________________ xMenta (DSMA) xBOS (CA) ATUK (.5.) DICE (BOB) xElcyion Lacar
Map Screen Flat Earth Society Derek Knows Us	Posted - 2008.01.30 16:41:00 - [247] BoB is alot like WW2 Germany
Fendragun Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.30 16:43:00 - [248] thoth foc Arcane Technologies The Five Posting with ATUK tag is the secret to being old school cool. Im old schoolbay :P _______________________________________________ S T A N Former DICE ceo Former ATUK director Former MACE ceo
Jadzia Blue Department of Truth Enhancement	Posted - 2008.01.30 16:45:00 - [249] Here, have a look at my tits.
Ricco Lonestar Minmatar xtort Rare Faction	Posted - 2008.01.30 16:48:00 - [250] Originally by: Don ZOLA Edited by: Don ZOLA on 30/01/2008 10:38:22 Originally by: Fendragun Originally by: Darko1107 Lets have another stan post! my new fav person in eve FU /emote is sad panda now edit: stupid smilies :/ Stan was once a eil pirat. I hope that will cheer you up somewhat.

fugazii Deep Space Productions Fang Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.30 17:00:00 - [251] Originally by: Westly Synpa Originally by: fugazii Originally by: Westly Synpa Originally by: Belija'al Payback? ships dont matter in a territorial battle. itd be interesting what your opinion would be if ratios were switched. im sure it would be something along the lines of your gloating about who is the best at micro managing pos's in a pvp oriented game. but dont get me wrong, what your saying is true. ships dont matter in a territorial war (anymore). its unfortunate wars arent won by warfare nowadays, wouldnt you agree?.. well i guess you wouldnt. wars are won and lost by pos warfare and controlling the system so that people can/can't put down towers ship losses dont matter if you control the field and are taking down towers they are nesscery to do so. yes i know, that is what you originally said, and what i agreed upon. but wouldnt you say that it is a bad thing that winning a war is no longer about who is the best at warfare? Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Virgil Aquilis GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.30 17:09:00 - [252] hey guys i'm bob, i'm going to do drive-by ganks with my hac fleet that results in only t1 frigate kills to our steady stream of losses Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Moctobot GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.30 17:14:00 - [253] man you guys are so lucky that i cant necro threads because man there are some gems down there
Tiggus Maximus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.30 17:15:00 - [254] Originally by: fugazii yes i know, that is what you originally said, and what i agreed upon. but wouldnt you say that it is a bad thing that winning a war is no longer about who is the best at warfare? What part of his statement was unclear? Whoever controls the field(system) deserves to win a territorial war. If you can control the field(this involves fighting), you can destroy POS, or deploy them, with impunity. Suggesting that smaller units with better pvp skills and better k/d ratios should win at territorial warfare when they cannot hold the field makes no sense. It's not true in any game I can think of other than those awful instanced ones where the winner is determined by "points scored".
JenDen Caldari The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.30 17:44:00 - [255] One bad thing about BoB losing the war is that Stahlregen ain't making no more propaganda videos Sig: StackNerfing * GangLinks
fugazii Deep Space Productions Fang Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.30 17:56:00 - [256] Originally by: Tiggus Maximus Originally by: fugazii yes i know, that is what you originally said, and what i agreed upon. but wouldnt you say that it is a bad thing that winning a war is no longer about who is the best at warfare? What part of his statement was unclear? Whoever controls the field(system) deserves to win a territorial war. If you can control the field(this involves fighting), you can destroy POS, or deploy them, with impunity. Suggesting that smaller units with better pvp skills and better k/d ratios should win at territorial warfare when they cannot hold the field makes no sense. It's not true in any game I can think of other than those awful instanced ones where the winner is determined by "points scored". i dont think you understand what im driving at. pvp is not pos warfare. pos warfare is fighting a npc, kinda like fighting vandaar or drek in alterac valley. holding the field however doesnt necessarily involve fighting. if you bring 600 people into a system to shoot at a npc, and force the enemy to not engage due to player caps and severe unbalance in numbers, that does not constitute winning in pvp does it? what im saying is that pvp, and i mean pvp as a player fighting another player should be the decider of wars. however right now, you could lose a 1000man bs fleet to a ibis, but if your caps remain intact to kill the npc, then youve won. you talk down upon certain instanced pvp, but isnt territorial warfare exactly that, just without the instance? take wow for example, all the instanced pvp there has set objectives, you can go the entire match without killing a single person, but aslong as you kill the end npc, capture that flag, or keep node superiority you win, just like eve if you can kill that end npc(pos), cap that flag(pos) or keeping node superiority(keeping your pos's) you win regardless of how well you do in actual combat. Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Larry Wong Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.30 18:09:00 - [257] Originally by: Virgil Aquilis hey guys i'm bob, i'm going to do drive-by ganks with my hac fleet that results in only t1 frigate kills to our steady stream of losses intense pvp prowess
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.30 18:13:00 - [258] Originally by: Virgil Aquilis Personally I find it funny how bob pretty much falls into lockstep when it comes to trolling CAOD as far as taking cues from goons goes, you guys crib pretty heavily from us IMHO As us guys were here first, either: CAOD was free from trolling before you guys arrived or You guys have fallen in to step with us. Problem with the Goons is their arrogance. They need to feel important in an internet spaceships game, and give no credit for anything which happened before they came on the scene. I'm serious. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
Idaeus Earned In Blood	Posted - 2008.01.30 18:13:00 - [259] Edited by: Idaeus on 30/01/2008 18:14:00 There is micro-PVP and macro-PVP involved. Individual combat, fleet fights, combat between ships, is micro-PVP. It has limited scope. You don't remove an alliances claim from systems by destroying their ships, that's macro-PVP. Macro-PVP involves sovereignty. POS deployment, POS destruction, sov. gain/loss. This isn't the old days, where a groups claim on a system could be measured in how many ships they blow up when someone tries to enter. There are mechanics in place that measure that sort of thing now. My point? POS warfare is PVP, but on a larger (strategic, zomg) scale. Earned In Blood
Tiggus Maximus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.30 18:15:00 - [260] The actual shooting of the POS is the least important part of the battle for a system. I think all major alliances can shoot a POS and kill it fairly quickly these days, the npc reference is not valid. What is important is fighting for the right to shoot that POS, by killing the defending fleet, which is people, not npc's. If you are complaining about one side having a numbers advantage and making it unfeasible for the other side to fight them, then all I have to say is, don't pick fights with bigger/badder/more numerous enemies than yourself. This is not a FPS, you need to consider politics, alliances, and bite off what you can chew, or accept the risk you will fail. All alliance warfare is not on the scale of BoB vs coalition. Just because BoB ****ed off everyone does not mean alliance warfare is broken, it means they will have close to 0 chance when all those people coordinate, as it should be.

Judas Yanakov Caldari Central Defiance Insurgency	Posted - 2008.01.30 18:20:00 - [261] Sun Tzu once wrote that the sign of the greatest General was that he did not fight at all, and still achieved his objective. The ability to twist the fight to your own terms is the very basic principle of warfare, even if it means sheer numbers. If you cannot adapt, you cannot win. The answer is ALWAYS 42.
Dungar Loghoth Caldari Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.01.30 18:23:00 - [262] Originally by: Don Guru Originally by: Belija'al there is one thing the Coalition do not understand. BoB is legend, BoB is the role model of all alliances at the moment out there. everybody is copiing bob or wants to be like them. this makes bob legend. even if you defeat delve, the legend you will never defeat. it took whole eve to do something against bob. everybody knows that no matter what goons claim. OK. Tell yourself that, but concider: firstly: Stain Alliance was the first. They invented the concept of an alliance. secondly: Curse Alliance was -THE- PVP alliance. Ask yourself this: Do you want all of eve to attack you? Are you all about pvp? Do you post ******** smacktalking on the forums? If yes to all then: You're a CA wannabe. While your point is good, your corporation fits 100mn MWDs on it's carriers and then rats with them. You don't really have the right to criticize anyone when you do that. --- Remember when people got banned from eve for posting real-life information about other players? Those were the days.
PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik Gallente Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.01.30 18:25:00 - [263] Originally by: Tiggus Maximus The actual shooting of the POS is the least important part of the battle for a system. I think all major alliances can shoot a POS and kill it fairly quickly these days, the npc reference is not valid. What is important is fighting for the right to shoot that POS, by killing the defending fleet, which is people, not npc's. If you are complaining about one side having a numbers advantage and making it unfeasible for the other side to fight them, then all I have to say is, don't pick fights with bigger/badder/more numerous enemies than yourself. This is not a FPS, you need to consider politics, alliances, and bite off what you can chew, or accept the risk you will fail. All alliance warfare is not on the scale of BoB vs coalition. Just because BoB **ed off everyone does not mean alliance warfare is broken, it means they will have close to 0 chance when all those people coordinate, as it should be. perhaps the best post ive seen from a goon member- ever. Well said. Peace WithinSo if the theory of relativity is true, shouldn't i arrive at my destination before i warped in the first place? Neon Ghost**You do, but this is compensated for by lag
Achaiah Black Bag Ops	Posted - 2008.01.30 18:35:00 - [264] If k/d ratio should decide who would be the king in Eve, then we all would be vassals to Burn Eden. BoB have great PvPers and tacticians, it win them many battles. It will however not win them the war. It should be quite obvious by now. As I view it BoB’s problem is that they have not been able to hold onto allies, and that they got too many enemies, much thanks to their arrogance and how they behave to people. Their current situation is a strategic failure, not a tactical. They must have been fully aware that the biggest threat against them would be an overwhelming numbers of enemies that makes their tactical skills less important. And yet they **** off half of the galaxy, including their allies, and place themselves in pretty much the only situation that can lead to their death. I think their k/d ratio show that they have great skill and tactics. They are among the best in Eve when it comes to fighting. It is however not enough to tackle an overwhelming amount of people and they have failed to realize or adapt to the situation. I have no idea why, perhaps they simply have been too arrogant, but to whine about that those with best k/d ratio should be the one who should hold space is simple minded at best and requires us to overlook more then a few strategical options available in Eve warfare.
amagonsan Minmatar Perpetual Reality Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.30 18:44:00 - [265] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Virgil Aquilis Personally I find it funny how bob pretty much falls into lockstep when it comes to trolling CAOD as far as taking cues from goons goes, you guys crib pretty heavily from us IMHO As us guys were here first, either: CAOD was free from trolling before you guys arrived or You guys have fallen in to step with us. Problem with the Goons is their arrogance. They need to feel important in an internet spaceships game, and give no credit for anything which happened before they came on the scene. I'm serious. You're serious... remind me again.. what alliance was calling it self legendary? and you call Goons arrogant? I'm sorry but i was a ex-gbc member, i experianced first hand on YW and R I S E how BoB helps their allies. You made sure that Tri didn't became an enemy, so you let YW, Fallen and M.pire die... just for example. I'm sorry but BoB is the arrogant alliance here, thinking that they can survive without help from their allies.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.30 18:49:00 - [266] Originally by: amagonsan You're serious... remind me again.. what alliance was calling it self legendary? and you call Goons arrogant? I'm sorry but i was a ex-gbc member, i experianced first hand on YW and R I S E how BoB helps their allies. You made sure that Tri didn't became an enemy, so you let YW, Fallen and M.pire die... just for example. I'm sorry but BoB is the arrogant alliance here, thinking that they can survive without help from their allies. Our allies died. Some help they were. I'm serious. Still, at least some gave it their best, fighting until the end .. rather than switching sides to avoid being ridiculed by the Goons. Strange that some people would rather surrender their integrity than to stand up to those who would mock it. I'm doubly serious. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
SaKoil GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.30 18:50:00 - [267] Edited by: SaKoil on 30/01/2008 18:49:55 Originally by: Avon Problem with the Goons is their arrogance. They need to feel important in an internet spaceships game, and give no credit for anything which happened before they came on the scene. I'm serious. No no no no you have it all wrong. Goons only need to feel one thing. Your bitter hot pro-gamer tears of shame and impotence at our feet after we kill your epic mount, steal all your rares as your castle collapses, place our placeholder hut on the slot and then run off with your morbidly obese vampire roleplaying internet he-wife.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.30 18:51:00 - [268] Originally by: SaKoil No no no no you have it all wrong. Goons only need to feel one thing. Your bitter hot pro-gamer tears of shame and impotence at our feet after we kill your epic mount, steal all your rares as your castle collapses, place our placeholder hut on the slot and then run off with your morbidly obese vampire roleplaying internet he-wife. To be fair, that would indeed be a concerning turn of events. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
Zeitgueist GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.30 18:54:00 - [269] Originally by: Avon Our allies died. Some help they were. I'm serious. Still, at least some gave it their best, fighting until the end .. rather than switching sides to avoid being ridiculed by the Goons. Strange that some people would rather surrender their integrity than to stand up to those who would mock it. I'm doubly serious. guys guys he's serious
Orangir GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.30 18:59:00 - [270] Originally by: Avon Originally by: amagonsan You're serious... remind me again.. what alliance was calling it self legendary? and you call Goons arrogant? I'm sorry but i was a ex-gbc member, i experianced first hand on YW and R I S E how BoB helps their allies. You made sure that Tri didn't became an enemy, so you let YW, Fallen and M.pire die... just for example. I'm sorry but BoB is the arrogant alliance here, thinking that they can survive without help from their allies. Our allies died. Some help they were. I'm serious. Still, at least some gave it their best, fighting until the end .. rather than switching sides to avoid being ridiculed by the Goons. Strange that some people would rather surrender their integrity than to stand up to those who would mock it. I'm doubly serious. I'm getting the impression that you may not be serious about this Avon, can you assuage those doubts?



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