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Zorland
Minmatar
Detinus Republic
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Posted - 2008.01.30 08:36:00 -
[121]
 Originally by: Pastora
Originally by: Zorland
Yes. And before you ask ù no, I don't like blobs. But at least at the moment I don't see any better options within the game to achieve our goals. Our enemies did and do the same, so we had to and have to blob to fight the blob. Do you have better ideas?
Titan was CCPs answer to blob. But then they succumbed to forum whiners how unfair is to be DD when blobing. So now we have people that are in game 3 months winning against the people that play the game for 3 years.... That's not right, we all know how important is time and training in this game. But I guess subscriptions and money is more important then that. I am not a game designer, I don't have any ideas about how they should stop blobs from forming and braking the server. All I know it makes a lot of people sick of blob being ultimate weapon.
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Malaphar
Amarr
Making Our Way to Stars
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Posted - 2008.01.30 08:44:00 -
[122]
Edited by: Malaphar on 30/01/2008 08:44:59
Well , vast number superiority (aka Blob) only achieved 1 thing for the Coalition in the past months : endless killmail lists for BoB pilots!
The RA Titan maneuver was the only significant punch in BoB's belly (even if it happened while they were asleep within POS shields) in a very long time! But , a short while afterwards , in QY6 BoB settled things straight by killing almost same number of Goons&Allies BSs only this time in battle and with almost no casualties!I wonder how RA's Titan escaped that battle....curious huh? Maybe we can discuss in a new thread about this?
Of course it's obvious BoB has BY FAR the best Pilots and FCs in this game but even so , even if they keep killing Coalition ships at 5-10:1 ratio , the sheer numbers that keep comming will at some point leave BoB at least without ammo to keep shooting and killing!
And when BoB will remain without ammo , maybe - just MAYBE - at that point the Coalition will have a slight chance to advance a bit more!
Now start flaming and trolling!
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Captain Thunk
Captain Morgan Society
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Posted - 2008.01.30 08:45:00 -
[123]
A vet should never lose to a pilot younger than himself, I think the game must be broken if this is indeed happening as reported.
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shimmyckus
Minmatar
Blood Covenant
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.01.30 08:55:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Zorland
Originally by: Pastora
Originally by: Zorland
Yes. And before you ask ù no, I don't like blobs. But at least at the moment I don't see any better options within the game to achieve our goals. Our enemies did and do the same, so we had to and have to blob to fight the blob. Do you have better ideas?
Titan was CCPs answer to blob. But then they succumbed to forum whiners how unfair is to be DD when blobing. So now we have people that are in game 3 months winning against the people that play the game for 3 years.... That's not right, we all know how important is time and training in this game. But I guess subscriptions and money is more important then that. I am not a game designer, I don't have any ideas about how they should stop blobs from forming and braking the server. All I know it makes a lot of people sick of blob being ultimate weapon.
So you are whining now coz you play game over 3 years and youre unabalbe to kill players who are playing 3 months? lol.
Titan is still answer to blob but you need to use it smart, its just not anymore 'I WIN BUTTON' so you can to jump intno system, DD 300 ppl and jump out without risk to losse it. Well if you continue to whine about that, mabye CCP will provede you with some new ultimate weapon where youll just need to hit button and kill all enemies in constallation... 
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Shadowsword
COLSUP
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.01.30 08:55:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Zorland
Originally by: Pastora
Yes. And before you ask ù no, I don't like blobs. But at least at the moment I don't see any better options within the game to achieve our goals. Our enemies did and do the same, so we had to and have to blob to fight the blob. Do you have better ideas?
Titan was CCPs answer to blob. But then they succumbed to forum whiners how unfair is to be DD when blobing. So now we have people that are in game 3 months winning against the people that play the game for 3 years.... That's not right, we all know how important is time and training in this game. But I guess subscriptions and money is more important then that. I am not a game designer, I don't have any ideas about how they should stop blobs from forming and braking the server. All I know it makes a lot of people sick of blob being ultimate weapon.
Are you seriously suggesting that Titans able to fire a remote doomsday with half the titan still inside a pos shield, impossible to bump and protected by POS guns and conventionnal fleet, was balanced? 
The one with biggest numbers tend to win. So what? That means that side has put more efforts into being in the battlefield than the other. Why shouldn't they have an advantage for that? And RSF blobs aren't just T1 frigs and cruisers. Only utter idiots still believe that.
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Zorland
Minmatar
Detinus Republic
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Posted - 2008.01.30 09:04:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Malaphar
Edited by: Malaphar on 30/01/2008 08:44:59
Well , vast number superiority (aka Blob) only achieved 1 thing for the Coalition in the past months : endless killmail lists for BoB pilots!
The RA Titan maneuver was the only significant punch in BoB's belly (even if it happened while they were asleep within POS shields) in a very long time! But , a short while afterwards , in QY6 BoB settled things straight by killing almost same number of Goons&Allies BSs only this time in battle and with almost no casualties!I wonder how RA's Titan escaped that battle....curious huh? Maybe we can discuss in a new thread about this?
Of course it's obvious BoB has BY FAR the best Pilots and FCs in this game but even so , even if they keep killing Coalition ships at 5-10:1 ratio , the sheer numbers that keep comming will at some point leave BoB at least without ammo to keep shooting and killing!
And when BoB will remain without ammo , maybe - just MAYBE - at that point the Coalition will have a slight chance to advance a bit more!
Now start flaming and trolling!
The winner in the game should be determined in fleet battles. How can someone win fleet battles and still lose space? Game is broken and POS mechanics are broken. You shouldn't be able to win space if you lose battles. Wining fleet fights and winning space should be related, and blobs shouldn't be the ultimate weapon that is better then any other tactic.
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Blue Cantrell
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Posted - 2008.01.30 09:08:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Zorland
Originally by: Malaphar
Edited by: Malaphar on 30/01/2008 08:44:59
Well , vast number superiority (aka Blob) only achieved 1 thing for the Coalition in the past months : endless killmail lists for BoB pilots!
The RA Titan maneuver was the only significant punch in BoB's belly (even if it happened while they were asleep within POS shields) in a very long time! But , a short while afterwards , in QY6 BoB settled things straight by killing almost same number of Goons&Allies BSs only this time in battle and with almost no casualties!I wonder how RA's Titan escaped that battle....curious huh? Maybe we can discuss in a new thread about this?
Of course it's obvious BoB has BY FAR the best Pilots and FCs in this game but even so , even if they keep killing Coalition ships at 5-10:1 ratio , the sheer numbers that keep comming will at some point leave BoB at least without ammo to keep shooting and killing!
And when BoB will remain without ammo , maybe - just MAYBE - at that point the Coalition will have a slight chance to advance a bit more!
Now start flaming and trolling!
The winner in the game should be determined in fleet battles. How can someone win fleet battles and still lose space? Game is broken and POS mechanics are broken. You shouldn't be able to win space if you lose battles. Wining fleet fights and winning space should be related, and blobs shouldn't be the ultimate weapon that is better then any other tactic.
well in wwii in stalingrad russians won because they kept throwing privates on the battlefield, even if they lost lots of battles. And they won!
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Don Z0LA
Caldari
TunDraGon
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Posted - 2008.01.30 09:12:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Malaphar
Edited by: Malaphar on 30/01/2008 08:44:59
Well , vast number superiority (aka Blob) only achieved 1 thing for the Coalition in the past months : endless killmail lists for BoB pilots!
The RA Titan maneuver was the only significant punch in BoB's belly (even if it happened while they were asleep within POS shields) in a very long time! But , a short while afterwards , in QY6 BoB settled things straight by killing almost same number of Goons&Allies BSs only this time in battle and with almost no casualties!I wonder how RA's Titan escaped that battle....curious huh? Maybe we can discuss in a new thread about this?
Of course it's obvious BoB has BY FAR the best Pilots and FCs in this game but even so , even if they keep killing Coalition ships at 5-10:1 ratio , the sheer numbers that keep comming will at some point leave BoB at least without ammo to keep shooting and killing!
And when BoB will remain without ammo , maybe - just MAYBE - at that point the Coalition will have a slight chance to advance a bit more!
Now start flaming and trolling!
i loled :D
*cough*bobalt*cough*
P.S. extra lol for BY FAR best pilots :D
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Baxalusx
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.30 09:13:00 -
[129]
Edited by: Baxalusx on 30/01/2008 09:14:42
Originally by: Zorland
Originally by: Malaphar
Edited by: Malaphar on 30/01/2008 08:44:59
Well , vast number superiority (aka Blob) only achieved 1 thing for the Coalition in the past months : endless killmail lists for BoB pilots!
The RA Titan maneuver was the only significant punch in BoB's belly (even if it happened while they were asleep within POS shields) in a very long time! But , a short while afterwards , in QY6 BoB settled things straight by killing almost same number of Goons&Allies BSs only this time in battle and with almost no casualties!I wonder how RA's Titan escaped that battle....curious huh? Maybe we can discuss in a new thread about this?
Of course it's obvious BoB has BY FAR the best Pilots and FCs in this game but even so , even if they keep killing Coalition ships at 5-10:1 ratio , the sheer numbers that keep comming will at some point leave BoB at least without ammo to keep shooting and killing!
And when BoB will remain without ammo , maybe - just MAYBE - at that point the Coalition will have a slight chance to advance a bit more!
Now start flaming and trolling!
The winner in the game should be determined in fleet battles. How can someone win fleet battles and still lose space? Game is broken and POS mechanics are broken. You shouldn't be able to win space if you lose battles. Wining fleet fights and winning space should be related, and blobs shouldn't be the ultimate weapon that is better then any other tactic.
do you understand the difference between tactics and strategy
BoB can't compete with the Coalition strategically because they focus too much on the tactics. When the measurement for tactics become the stated point of a war for one participant, they inevitably lose a strategic fight such as a territorial war.
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Fendragun
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.01.30 09:26:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Darko1107
Lets have another stan post!
my new fav person in eve
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Former DICE ceo
Former ATUK director
Former MACE ceo
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Zorland
Minmatar
Detinus Republic
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Posted - 2008.01.30 09:28:00 -
[131]
I think I will stop posting in this thread now. Coalition blobed me  
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Khorian
Gallente
Omega Fleet Enterprises
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.01.30 09:28:00 -
[132]
Tactics and strategy are different things. One is long term, the other short term. BoB acutally doesn't need to think strategically as much as the coalition does, since they are only defending a single Region.
With their tactics, they react to the invasion wich is totally normal. Right now, the Coalition is the one who has the initiative, so BoB has to react to attacks and can not so much plan in advance whats gonna happen. Thats the job of the coalition now.
Tactics are important in Battles, Strategies are important in wars.
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Doddy
Omega Fleet Enterprises
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.01.30 09:52:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Zorland
Originally by: Malaphar
Edited by: Malaphar on 30/01/2008 08:44:59
Well , vast number superiority (aka Blob) only achieved 1 thing for the Coalition in the past months : endless killmail lists for BoB pilots!
The RA Titan maneuver was the only significant punch in BoB's belly (even if it happened while they were asleep within POS shields) in a very long time! But , a short while afterwards , in QY6 BoB settled things straight by killing almost same number of Goons&Allies BSs only this time in battle and with almost no casualties!I wonder how RA's Titan escaped that battle....curious huh? Maybe we can discuss in a new thread about this?
Of course it's obvious BoB has BY FAR the best Pilots and FCs in this game but even so , even if they keep killing Coalition ships at 5-10:1 ratio , the sheer numbers that keep comming will at some point leave BoB at least without ammo to keep shooting and killing!
And when BoB will remain without ammo , maybe - just MAYBE - at that point the Coalition will have a slight chance to advance a bit more!
Now start flaming and trolling!
The winner in the game should be determined in fleet battles. How can someone win fleet battles and still lose space? Game is broken and POS mechanics are broken. You shouldn't be able to win space if you lose battles. Wining fleet fights and winning space should be related, and blobs shouldn't be the ultimate weapon that is better then any other tactic.
Winning wars has never been about winning battles. Throughout history the side winning most of the battles has generally won the wars no more often than the side losing the battles. You can go from Hannibal kicking Roman ass for 12 years 2000 years ago yet still having his city ground into dust in the end; to Napoleon eventually losing simply because his opponents realised they didn't need to fight him to win the war. Then there are wars won by guirella action or simply outlasting the enemy, despite being totally outclassed in the feild i.e. vietnam vs france, vietnam vs china, vietnam vs u.s.a. What is great about eve is that this simple truth is actually reflected in game. Still, lag sucks.
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xttz
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.30 10:08:00 -
[134]
Edited by: xttz on 30/01/2008 10:09:50
Originally by: Zorland
The winner in the game should be determined in fleet battles. How can someone win fleet battles and still lose space? Game is broken and POS mechanics are broken. You shouldn't be able to win space if you lose battles. Wining fleet fights and winning space should be related, and blobs shouldn't be the ultimate weapon that is better then any other tactic.
I totally agree. If you win one fleet fight with blobbed capships under a cynojammer, while spending the remaining 22 hours of the day hugging pos shields and refusing to engage you should totally keep all four systems under siege silmultaneously.
Just ignore the fact that while Bob were walling themsleves into QY6, Y-2 was failing. Ignore the fact that while Bob repped their cynojammer within 1km of a pos shield, TPAR was lost. Ignore the fact that while the 150-strong Bob gang with 50 caps camped a gate under a cynojammer, they lost the last tower in SVM. An alliance should never ever lose 2 regions in one day because they killed a bunch of ships in a laggy suicidal cluster**** that the other side chose to jump into anyway.
Life would be so much easier if four year old characters and unlimited ISK still meant invincible solo pwnmobiles, wouldn't it? Who needs strategy when your elite characters cannot be countered?
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TWD
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.01.30 10:15:00 -
[135]
Edited by: TWD on 30/01/2008 10:15:45
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Zeveron
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.01.30 10:23:00 -
[136]
Quote:
Just ignore the fact....
you are not full of joy about your victories :-)
You won m8, be happy :-)
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Zorland
Minmatar
Detinus Republic
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Posted - 2008.01.30 10:25:00 -
[137]
Edited by: Zorland on 30/01/2008 10:25:59
Originally by: xttz
Edited by: xttz on 30/01/2008 10:09:50
Originally by: Zorland
The winner in the game should be determined in fleet battles. How can someone win fleet battles and still lose space? Game is broken and POS mechanics are broken. You shouldn't be able to win space if you lose battles. Wining fleet fights and winning space should be related, and blobs shouldn't be the ultimate weapon that is better then any other tactic.
I totally agree. If you win one fleet fight with blobbed capships under a cynojammer, while spending the remaining 22 hours of the day hugging pos shields and refusing to engage you should totally keep all four systems under siege silmultaneously.
Just ignore the fact that while Bob were walling themsleves into QY6, Y-2 was failing. Ignore the fact that while Bob repped their cynojammer within 1km of a pos shield, TPAR was lost. Ignore the fact that while the 150-strong Bob gang with 50 caps camped a gate under a cynojammer, they lost the last tower in SVM. An alliance should never ever lose 2 regions in one day because they killed a bunch of ships in a laggy suicidal cluster**** that the other side chose to jump into anyway.
Life would be so much easier if four year old characters and unlimited ISK still meant invincible solo pwnmobiles, wouldn't it? Who needs strategy when your elite characters cannot be countered?
Great strategy.
How much brain does it take when its EVE versus 1 alliance? ******* incompetent blobers.
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Garek
COLSUP
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.01.30 10:30:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Zorland
Great strategy.
How much brain does it take when its EVE versus 1 alliance? ******* incompetent blobers.
I thought BoB was invicible? ...
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Zorland
Minmatar
Detinus Republic
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Posted - 2008.01.30 10:31:00 -
[139]
Edited by: Zorland on 30/01/2008 10:33:34
Edited by: Zorland on 30/01/2008 10:32:09
Originally by: Garek
Originally by: Zorland
Great strategy.
How much brain does it take when its EVE versus 1 alliance? ******* incompetent blobers.
I thought BoB was invicible? ...
They might not be invincible, but they are certainly not cowards like some...
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Don ZOLA
Caldari
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2008.01.30 10:37:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Fendragun
Originally by: Darko1107
Lets have another stan post!
my new fav person in eve
FU :(:(:(:(:(:(:(
/emote is sad panda now :(
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thoth foc
Arcane Technologies
The Five
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Posted - 2008.01.30 10:42:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Zorland
Edited by: Zorland on 30/01/2008 10:33:34
Edited by: Zorland on 30/01/2008 10:32:09
Originally by: Garek
Originally by: Zorland
Great strategy.
How much brain does it take when its EVE versus 1 alliance? ******* incompetent blobers.
I thought BoB was invicible? ...
They might not be invincible, but they are certainly not cowards like some...
They play as they need too.. it is better they know they arent good enough, than think they are..
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Fendragun
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.01.30 10:51:00 -
[142]
Originally by: xttz
Edited by: xttz on 30/01/2008 10:09:50
Originally by: Zorland
The winner in the game should be determined in fleet battles. How can someone win fleet battles and still lose space? Game is broken and POS mechanics are broken. You shouldn't be able to win space if you lose battles. Wining fleet fights and winning space should be related, and blobs shouldn't be the ultimate weapon that is better then any other tactic.
I totally agree. If you win one fleet fight with blobbed capships under a cynojammer, while spending the remaining 22 hours of the day hugging pos shields and refusing to engage you should totally keep all four systems under siege silmultaneously.
Just ignore the fact that while Bob were walling themsleves into QY6, Y-2 was failing. Ignore the fact that while Bob repped their cynojammer within 1km of a pos shield, TPAR was lost. Ignore the fact that while the 150-strong Bob gang with 50 caps camped a gate under a cynojammer, they lost the last tower in SVM. An alliance should never ever lose 2 regions in one day because they killed a bunch of ships in a laggy suicidal cluster**** that the other side chose to jump into anyway.
Life would be so much easier if four year old characters and unlimited ISK still meant invincible solo pwnmobiles, wouldn't it? Who needs strategy when your elite characters cannot be countered?
strategy ? lets put as many people as possible into one region.
well yep i guess it is a stratergy.
Ive been playing since the start and i dont believe that old characters should be unbeatable, infact i hope they arent.
Ive given up a lot the space you and RA hold, they used another great strategy to win (drop as many small pos as possible through the night).
I just wish the game would allow us to show you what we are capable of. hey ho have fun in delve taking stations e.t.c
Don Zola - no ak no love!
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Former DICE ceo
Former ATUK director
Former MACE ceo
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Don Z0LA
Caldari
TunDraGon
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Posted - 2008.01.30 10:55:00 -
[143]
Edited by: Don Z0LA on 30/01/2008 10:55:29
Originally by: Fendragun
Originally by: xttz
Edited by: xttz on 30/01/2008 10:09:50
Originally by: Zorland
Tbla bla
stans bla bla to zorlands bla bla
Don Zola - no ak no love!
if you ever visited you would get it!
edit: i suck with quoting :|
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Captain Thunk
Captain Morgan Society
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Posted - 2008.01.30 11:03:00 -
[144]
Edited by: Captain Thunk on 30/01/2008 11:03:25
Originally by: Fendragun
strategy ? lets put as many people as possible into one region.
well yep i guess it is a stratergy.
Who are you talking about out of interest?
Bob all moved into one region and the coalitions followed so I'm a little confused as to whether you're dissing the coalition for following or dissing your strategists for the Great Plan of '06Ö
Thunk
PS sup Don, how's work?
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Don Z0LA
Caldari
TunDraGon
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Posted - 2008.01.30 11:05:00 -
[145]
Originally by: Captain Thunk
Edited by: Captain Thunk on 30/01/2008 11:03:25
Originally by: Fendragun
strategy ? lets put as many people as possible into one region.
well yep i guess it is a stratergy.
Who are you talking about out of interest?
Bob all moved into one region and the coalitions followed so I'm a little confused as to whether you're dissing the coalition for following or dissing your strategists for the Great Plan of '06Ö
Thunk
PS sup Don, how's work?
i think we better communicate over msn or smtha, we gonna get banned for chatin here :D
check pm on our forums ;)
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Johnny Cage
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Posted - 2008.01.30 11:18:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Echo147
Gotta love BoB's killboard going offline on a bad loss day 
Funny to hear killboard comments from IRON.
Dear IRON! May I ask, have you already learned to post your losses on your own killboard?
You seem to lack brain and common sense to understand that the BoB's killboard might be down due one simple thing - heavy load, when half of EVE online players are spamming F5 on it like there is no tomorrow.
Sigh...
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Void Seller
All In Enterprise
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Posted - 2008.01.30 11:21:00 -
[147]
Originally by: Garek
Originally by: Zorland
Great strategy.
How much brain does it take when its EVE versus 1 alliance? ******* incompetent blobers.
I thought BoB was invicible? ...
really? you are stupid then...
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Oli4Oli4
Viper Squad
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.01.30 11:26:00 -
[148]
Originally by: Vendorella
Wherever he is... someone tell Cyvok that TPAR is down.
Finaly some good news for ASCN high command \0/. BTW: CYVOK IS BACK PLAYING!
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2008.01.30 11:33:00 -
[149]
Originally by: Fendragun
strategy ? lets put as many people as possible into one region.
well yep i guess it is a stratergy.
Indeed it is a strategy.
Another strategy is not to help allies under siege (RISE). And to give up regions without any fight at all (ISS). And to alienate allies which want to help (XELAS, M.PIRE). And to act like you know it all better and therefore drive away old friends (MC).
Question is just which strategy works better...
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HYPE MAN
Minmatar
PAYDAY MOTORCADE
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Posted - 2008.01.30 11:39:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Zorland
So now we have people that are in game 3 months winning against the people that play the game for 3 years.... That's not right, we all know how important is time and training in this game. But I guess subscriptions and money is more important then that. I am not a game designer, I don't have any ideas about how they should stop blobs from forming and braking the server. All I know it makes a lot of people sick of blob being ultimate weapon.
Haha, reading this make me think of THIS.
As for all the "woe is me, there are too many nubs for me to kill" or whatever whine you are going on about. Perhaps you should stop and think how you ended up in this particular dilemma.
As for the whole blobbage you are crying about, no 0.0 alliance is innocent of that so quit wasting yer breath.
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