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Valei Khurelem 329	Posted - 2012.02.16 18:03:00 - [181] - Quote You know just making posts like that prove my point and I'm not mad. U mad :D because ur noobs and can't gank anything other than an industrial or solo player anymore. "don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 807	Posted - 2012.02.16 18:04:00 - [182] - Quote Valei Khurelem wrote: The only reason that people talk so much ** on the forums is because they know they can get away with it, it's the same thing elsewhere too, the majority of people wouldn't say half these things if they could be punched in the face for it. You aren't 'hardcore' or 'tough' for running around ganking solo players and industrialists, you're just an ***** who's too afraid to pick a fair fight. I live in Santa Barbara CA and will be at The Brewhouse tomorrow at 5:30pm. And I'll tell you exactly the same things there. :) -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Micheal Dietrich Standards and Practices 93	Posted - 2012.02.16 18:08:00 - [183] - Quote Valei Khurelem wrote: You know just making posts like that prove my point and I'm not mad. U mad :D because ur noobs and can't gank anything other than an industrial or solo player anymore. Yeahumad Valei Khurelem wrote: I live in Santa Barbara CA and will be at The Brewhouse tomorrow at 5:30pm. And I'll tell you exactly the same things there. :) -Liang Sweet, I'll be down there some time next month for a funeral, we should get together and talk about Valei being mad.
Valei Khurelem 329	Posted - 2012.02.16 18:11:00 - [184] - Quote Micheal Dietrich wrote: Valei Khurelem wrote: You know just making posts like that prove my point and I'm not mad. U mad :D because ur noobs and can't gank anything other than an industrial or solo player anymore. Yeahumad Valei Khurelem wrote: I live in Santa Barbara CA and will be at The Brewhouse tomorrow at 5:30pm. And I'll tell you exactly the same things there. :) -Liang Sweet, I'll be down there some time next month for a funeral, we should get together and talk about Valei being mad. umadnoob "don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium
Micheal Dietrich Standards and Practices 93	Posted - 2012.02.16 18:16:00 - [185] - Quote Valei Khurelem wrote: umadnoob lookatthatmad
Karl Planck 132	Posted - 2012.02.16 20:23:00 - [186] - Quote Valei Khurelem wrote: Quote: I live in Santa Barbara CA and will be at The Brewhouse tomorrow at 5:30pm. And I'll tell you exactly the same things there. :) I'll be disappointed if you aren't a girl :( i am guessing that it wouldn't be the first time it happened to you by the sounds of it.
Prince Kobol 210	Posted - 2012.02.16 20:38:00 - [187] - Quote Valei Khurelem wrote: I'll be disappointed if you aren't a girl :( oh and I'd still tell you the same things too regardless, it's a shame flight tickets are retardedly expensive going from Leeds/Bradford to America :S You live in leeds/bradford, no wonder you are so mad
Karthwritte Darthrin Storm Enterprise Drunken Capsuleers 28	Posted - 2012.02.16 20:38:00 - [188] - Quote Well, how many times this got to be explained.... EVE its not just a game where you sit and enjoy. What its EVE best its about sweat, tears and blood. Its a clash of will. Its a clash of mind. Its a persistent dead is dead massive multiplayer game. The work CCP got its about maintaining & improving the sandbox so people enjoy between and after your will and mind have been tested. This can happen against the virtual world (PVE) or against the real world (PVP). If you wish a game without so much sacrifice, buy the yearly CoD, or buy the new Zelda. And if you cant beat it then check the youtube walkthroughts.
Miss Whippy Bloody Limeys 74	Posted - 2012.02.16 20:47:00 - [189] - Quote Valei Khurelem wrote: EVE isn't a tough universe, if it was tough it would be tough for everyone, right now the people attacking the OP for his comments on the obvious remind me so much of chavs in my country, they talk so much ** and boast about how awesome they are but the moment you decide to fight back they run off like the pussies they really are. I'm not attacking anyone, and I'm not boasting about anything. This is a PvP game, the idea of PvP is to attack and kill each other. But guess what, I WILL attack you now, because only a cretin would play a PvP game and then start whining about people who enjoy PvP. Quote: The only reason that people talk so much on the forums is because they know they can get away with it, it's the same thing elsewhere too, the majority of people wouldn't say half these things if they could be punched in the face for it. You aren't 'hardcore' or 'tough' for running around ganking solo players and industrialists, you're just an *** who's too afraid to pick a fair fight. Of course they cna get away with it, THAT'S THE WHOLE DAMN POINT OF PLAYING A GAME!! To do things you aren't alllowed to do in normal society. I never claimed to be either hardcore or tough, I'm just killing people and enjoying it, in a game designed for that purpose. If you don't like it, you should go and ride your Emo high-horse all the way back to WoW. Quote: I really wish they'd put FPS boarding combat in EVE, nothing would say "** you and your Tech 2 battleship" more than a well placed shotgun to the face and being able to steal it after would only sweeten the deal. You are stupid. Highjacking every thread possible in the campaign to END THE CLICK FEST and RUBBISH NAVIGATION in EvE.
Karl Planck 133	Posted - 2012.02.16 20:53:00 - [190] - Quote Miss Whippy wrote: Of course they cna get away with it, THAT'S THE WHOLE DAMN POINT OF PLAYING A GAME!! To do things you aren't alllowed to do in normal society. I never claimed to be either hardcore or tough, I'm just killing people and enjoying it, in a game designed for that purpose. If you don't like it, you should go and ride your Emo high-horse all the way back to WoW. and my new sig was born If you don't like it, you should go and ride your Emo high-horse all the way back to WoW.
Asuri Kinnes Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy 262	Posted - 2012.02.16 21:25:00 - [191] - Quote Valei Khurelem wrote: No, 39k online with how much was it last announcement? 200,000 subscribers? ( correct me if I'm wrong on that number but that's the last report I remember ) Says this is an unpopular game, if CCP had devoted themselves to this type of game and making EVE as good as it can be rather than going for get rich quick schemes or pissing away their time on unknown MMORPGs and games they'd have far more people playing than people just subscribing. I judge a game's success not by how many sales they make but by whether they're still playing it years later, the numbers actually being active in this game have gone up and down over the years but it still remains pretty low compared to the amount of subscribers there are. There should be 200,000 players lagging this server up daily and causing queues to show me this is a popular game people enjoy, but that just isn't happening, even on the weekends and those are the facts, if this game was so awesome then why are their so many accounts just sitting about being unused? Because everyone and their brother has two, three or four accounts? Last QEN I saw (Q4 2010?) - said that the average player had 2.2 accounts/player. Also, as far as being niche? I'm still waiting for you to address how eve isn't a niche game, from post 48... Here... Cipher Jones wrote: Less players play on the tranquility server now than at its peak. There will always be fewer players on that at it's peak, that's why it's a "peak". Valei Khurelem wrote: ...removed a bunch of BS you're just an ***** who's too afraid to pick a fair fight. If you ever get a fair fight in Eve, you've made a mistake, your opponent has made a mistake or your fighting a friend. You do know how Eve started out don't you? A couple of Icelandic gamers got together and decided to make a game. Why? Because they couldn't grief people as much as they wanted to in some other game. Originally, there was no hi-sec, there was no missions, there was no low-sec. All there was, was mining and blowing ** up. THAT is how it started... Wormholes: The NEW end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs. NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA!
Tak McMonagle Black Rebel Rifter Club 20	Posted - 2012.02.16 22:39:00 - [192] - Quote Why does everyone think that Eve's harsh world is going to cause it to die? It hasn't died yet, why would it start now? If you can't/won't adapt or fight back find something else to spend your money on. Sure, it's "self destructive" for me to say that but why spend your money on something you don't want?
Micheal Dietrich Standards and Practices 94	Posted - 2012.02.16 23:08:00 - [193] - Quote I would like to point out that we do in fact have avatars now. Just no one else can see them yet because we're all locked in our rooms.
Marduk Nibiru Physical Chaos Moon Warriors 57	Posted - 2012.02.16 23:11:00 - [194] - Quote This thread makes me want to ragequit the planet.
Asuri Kinnes Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy 263	Posted - 2012.02.16 23:39:00 - [195] - Quote ????? Why did our posts get deleted? Inquiring minds wanna know! Wormholes: The NEW end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs. NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA!
LittleTerror Day Unhappy Security Inc. 5	Posted - 2012.02.16 23:44:00 - [196] - Quote Allowing people to play an online game for free always attracts the bots, the hackers, the smacktards and stupid ragetard kids...
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 811	Posted - 2012.02.17 00:30:00 - [197] - Quote Asuri Kinnes wrote: ????? Why did our posts get deleted? Inquiring minds wanna know! Some of the posts were actually really good posts. I'm glad I saved the post about Rift PCU. -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Vizvayu Koga 41	Posted - 2012.02.17 00:56:00 - [198] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: Asuri Kinnes wrote: ????? Why did our posts get deleted? Inquiring minds wanna know! Some of the posts were actually really good posts. I'm glad I saved the post about Rift PCU. -Liang I agree they were perfectly good posts, completely on topic . I too lost a post yesterday, so I just created a petition regarding this issue. It may be a bug (I hope).
Ai Shun 268	Posted - 2012.02.17 01:23:00 - [199] - Quote Tak McMonagle wrote: Why does everyone think that Eve's harsh world is going to cause it to die? It hasn't died yet, why would it start now? If you can't/won't adapt or fight back find something else to spend your money on. Sure, it's "self destructive" for me to say that but why spend your money on something you don't want? And yet, people choose the movies they go to see; the music they listen to; the bars they visit and all those other forms of entertainment. You don't see them walk into a bar and demand the d+¬cor, music and menu are changed to suit what they want. It makes me wonder why the same consumers treat a video game so differently when they still have the freedom to choose something that suits them better. It is very peculiar.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 4931	Posted - 2012.02.17 04:01:00 - [200] - Quote Asuri Kinnes wrote: Because everyone and their brother has two, three or four accounts? Last QEN I saw (Q4 2010?) - said that the average player had 2.2 accounts/player. No. No account/player number has ever been given (for the simple reason that there is no way of determining it). It has been roughly guesstimated (by people outside of CCP) to be maybe 1-+ or so, but that's mainly based on anecdotal evidence GÇö not actual data. The number you're thinking of is the number of characters per account. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 129	Posted - 2012.02.17 05:16:00 - [201] - Quote Valei Khurelem wrote: I really wish they'd put FPS boarding combat in EVE, nothing would say "** you and your Tech 2 battleship" more than a well placed shotgun to the face and being able to steal it after would only sweeten the deal. Only if you have to travel to the ship in a pod. Heh. That said rifters boarding Titans would be the best thing ever. With 100 newbies, surely one can pod that titan pilot in his supercap. Mara Rinn wrote:** edit; Wow! Just saw my first suicide bank in hisec! edit: no, belay that, it looks like it was just someone ganking a war target. =(
Ascendic Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities 44	Posted - 2012.02.17 06:06:00 - [202] - Quote Professor Alphane wrote: baltec1 wrote: Vincent Athena wrote: One thing that has always struck me as odd is why CCP thinks making a game that encourages griefing and driving people away is a good business model. Maybe they did not realize the magnitude of the issue and thought they would get sufficient subscriptions in any case. Maybe they are satisfied with the current level of subscriptions, and are simply not looking for Eve to be a multimillion player game. Or maybe they think having sufficient employees to police a "no griefing" policy would be so costly that it would not pay off despite increased subscriptions. EVE is the only MMO to reach this age and still be growing. I'd say they are getting it right. Technically yes but only because it's a year older than WOW which by most metrics laughs in every other MMO's face Considering WOW has begun bleeding subs your statement is wrong.
Gorefacer STRAG3S THE UNTHINKABLES 17	Posted - 2012.02.17 06:18:00 - [203] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: Valei Khurelem wrote: The only reason that people talk so much ** on the forums is because they know they can get away with it, it's the same thing elsewhere too, the majority of people wouldn't say half these things if they could be punched in the face for it. You aren't 'hardcore' or 'tough' for running around ganking solo players and industrialists, you're just an *** who's too afraid to pick a fair fight. I live in Santa Barbara CA and will be at The Brewhouse tomorrow at 5:30pm. And I'll tell you exactly the same things there. :) -Liang Nice. That's an awesome area. I grew up in Ojai and went to SBCC for awhile. Politics and cost of living drove me out of the state though to Phoenix which is not bad either. While it's true there are plenty of internet tough guys, I don't think anyone means it in that way when talking about EVE. It's tough as in others can and will blow up your virtual stuff or take it. I'd have no problems with internet morons getting punched, but trying to call them out is pointless even if you can handle yourself offline. However if someone talks **, shows up at your house, and you beat them good, take pictures or video for me to laugh at. If you really want to show everyone what a badass you are I'd say stop whining about people being mean over the internet might be a good start. Also I play rarely but pay for my 2 accounts gladly and will continue to do so as long as EVE keeps doing what they've been doing. FTP and I'd be disappointed and leave.
Valei Khurelem 330	Posted - 2012.02.17 07:28:00 - [204] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Valei Khurelem wrote: I really wish they'd put FPS boarding combat in EVE, nothing would say "** you and your Tech 2 battleship" more than a well placed shotgun to the face and being able to steal it after would only sweeten the deal. Only if you have to travel to the ship in a pod. Heh. That said rifters boarding Titans would be the best thing ever. With 100 newbies, surely one can pod that titan pilot in his supercap. Mara Rinn wrote: edit; Wow! Just saw my first suicide bank in hisec! edit: no, belay that, it looks like it was just someone ganking a war target. =( See? You're starting it again! "I don't want to take a loss because someone is more skilled than me! NERF IT!" >_< people like you are why games like this always suck because you're too afraid to lose so you want to nerf everything that takes skill. CCP need to boot out CSM on their arses and tell them to go ** themselves. . Combat only revolving around blobs and ganking with superior numbers? - check . Statistics over player interaction? - check . 'Hard' ( repetitive and boring ) work over fun? - check . Constantly artificially inflating prices and not giving any room for deflation so it takes forever for noobs to get something they want? - check All these things are designed to benefit vets who seem to largely be made up of nothing more than gankers who want easy kills and are too afraid of a fair fight, oh how I wish I could just aim my turrets at a cockpit after maneuvering through your laser spam and blast through the cockpit at you. If I ever get to make a games company and someone talks about RPG elements in a multiplayer game I'd fire them seriously. "don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 278	Posted - 2012.02.17 07:47:00 - [205] - Quote Valei Khurelem wrote: . Combat only revolving around blobs and ganking with superior numbers? - check Only if you are a dummy, orbiting blob corps. Plenty of small roams and in those you never know if your 10 men will clash vs 3 or vs 30 opponents. Valei Khurelem wrote: . Statistics over player interaction? - check Plenty of other MMOs where interaction did not make them any more fun nor prevented them from failing. Valei Khurelem wrote: . 'Hard' ( repetitive and boring ) work over fun? - check Only if you are a dummy and being used by smarter players. I think ATM I have 20B in wallet, don't even need to log in to earn more. Valei Khurelem wrote: . Constantly artificially inflating prices and not giving any room for deflation so it takes forever for noobs to get something they want? - check Who is artificially inflating prices are carebears exploiting a weak mechanic. Some of them are "noobs" themselves (1 - 1.5 year old chars). Valei Khurelem wrote: All these things are designed to benefit vets who seem to largely be made up of nothing more than gankers who want easy kills and are too afraid of a fair fight They benefit whoever is clever enough to use them at his benefit. Character age does not matter, brain does. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Skydell Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums 154	Posted - 2012.02.17 08:43:00 - [206] - Quote Katalci wrote: Aiwha wrote: EVE is a niche product marketed to a very small audience those of us who give no mercy and expect none in return. There are literally hundreds of other MMO's out there that don't tolerate certain "behaviors". Go play one of those if you dislike EVE. This. The entire point of EVE is the freedom. If you remove the freedom to grief, steal, cheat, scam, gank, etc. then you wreck what makes EVE different from every other MMO, and it will die. That's true, whether we like it or not. I've said it before, go to test server where all the player driven griefer barriers aren't there. You have 3-5 years of SP training, a very low end game system with a graduate content system that reflects the 3-5 years it will take you to reach "end game". Grind up standings, do lev. 1, 2, 3 and 4 missions, move to low, do 5, move to null build stuff, move to a WH and clobber sleepers in a carrier. The point is if EVE were judged purely on its PvE content it would be one of the most sucktastic games out there. As varied as it is its the same thing over and over, over 5 years of SP only made hard by griefers. And as someone else pointed out, if another space sim comes out that doesn't put you in a gold fish bowl like STO tried, EVE is in serious ****.
Brunmunde Hildegaard The Green Machine 6	Posted - 2012.02.17 09:51:00 - [207] - Quote Valei Khurelem wrote: . Combat only revolving around blobs and ganking with superior numbers? - check No. Just.. no. Valei Khurelem wrote: . Statistics over player interaction? - check Haha. No. Valei Khurelem wrote: . 'Hard' ( repetitive and boring ) work over fun? - check Maybe. You could just try something new every day when you get bored. Valei Khurelem wrote: . Constantly artificially inflating prices and not giving any room for deflation so it takes forever for noobs to get something they want? - check Welcome to cutthroat capitalism, the model from the real world used to make the Eve one. Also: a 2 week old character can make 15-20 mill a day, easy.. if he's not a tard. Valei Khurelem wrote: All these things are designed to benefit vets who seem to largely be made up of nothing more than gankers who want easy kills and are too afraid of a fair fight, oh how I wish I could just aim my turrets at a cockpit after maneuvering through your laser spam and blast through the cockpit at you. It's a pvp game and you expect people, especially vets, to not fight dirty? notsureiftroll.jpg --TL;DR-- WAAAAAAAAAHHHHH BOOO HOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOO "Sings me a dances of wolfs, who smells fear and slays the coward. Sings me a dances of mans, who smells gold and slays his brother."
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 2973	Posted - 2012.02.17 09:52:00 - [208] - Quote EVE is exactly as free-to-play as it needs to be already. IMO the PLEX system is simply the best resolution to the problem of how to allow "free" players and "subbed" players to co-exist. I rather suspect that the only reasons that the system hasn't become widespread are (1) It's not as ruthlessly exploitative as most "free" game models (looking at you, Allods) (2) It requires a functioning game economy, which few MMOs have. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Lexmana Imperial Stout 215	Posted - 2012.02.17 10:07:00 - [209] - Quote Skydell wrote: And as someone else pointed out, if another space sim comes out that doesn't put you in a gold fish bowl like STO tried, EVE is in serious ****. Another reason for CCP to keep the current business model of relatively few subscribers that pay a premium fee instead of going FTP hoping to get millions of players that pay almost nothing but risk attention from the competition that want in on the cake. A small niche product with loyal customers that pay premium is not such a bad business model.
Sasha Azala Blood and Decay 35	Posted - 2012.02.17 10:24:00 - [210] - Quote Lexmana wrote: Skydell wrote: And as someone else pointed out, if another space sim comes out that doesn't put you in a gold fish bowl like STO tried, EVE is in serious ****. Another reason for CCP to keep the current business model of relatively few subscribers that pay a premium fee instead of going FTP hoping to get millions of players that pay almost nothing but risk attention from the competition that want in on the cake. A small niche product with loyal customers that pay premium is not such a bad business model. There's a lot of gamers who play free games because they don't have the money to actually subscribe. From a business sense they're not the people you want to attract under normal circumstances (not that there is anything wrong with them but they won't be putting much financially into your business). However, in MMOs when an MMO is failing these people become more valuable to the business as they will help bolster the numbers and hopefully help keep the remaining subscribers.

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